This is getting ridiculous.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541

FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub.

The men have been charged under the new anti-bikie legislation relating to three or more members together in a public place and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday.

Police have confirmed they were not in colours but would not confirm reports some of them were father and son.

Police will allege they were spotted together in early November in the public bar section of the hotel but would not say if they were having a drink or eating a meal.

Tip-offs from the public led to an investigation and today's arrest.

Detective Inspector Dave Drinnen told media the men - aged between 30 and 56 - were regular customers of the pub on the Sunshine Coast hinterland.

Det Insp Drinnen said the alleged gang members were not causing trouble at the pub but were being charged for associating with one another as members of a criminal motorcycle gang.

They were arrested this morning after five warrants were issued at five separate properties as part of Taskforce Maxima.

Det Inspector Drinnen said the group included senior members of the Rebels bikie gang and participants.

"At this point we will allege there are a number of declared criminal motorcycle gang members who have associated together knowingly in a public place and committed an offence in regard to the legislation," he said.

"While the legislation exists, we will be enforcing that legislation, while they continue to commit offences then they will be prosecuted in relation to that."

He said the Rebels were still active despite closing down their clubhouse.

"We've certainly got nothing to indicate their unlawful activity has ceased, we will continue to investigate those matters where they continue to commit crime and break the law.

"While they continue to break the law we'll take affirmative action in relation to that and we'll be putting them before the court."

Commander Detective Superintendent Mick Niland from Taskforce Maxima said he believed the community supported the action police were taking.

"This sends a clear message to criminal motorcycle gang participants that police will take action on every occasion where we have evidence of offences under the new legislation or existing legislation, the Queensland Police Service will take action.

"It's our mission within Taskforce Maxima to disrupt, dismantle and eliminate criminal motor cycle gang participants from Queensland.

"Therefore we will take very opportunity to fulfil that mission."

He said Crimestoppers had received 500 calls relating to CMGs since the new laws came into effect.

Detective Superintendent Niland said police would be extending the VLAD laws to take enforcement action against any crime gang - not just CMGs.

There is NO place for laws like these in this country.

Not now.

Not ever.

It seems a bit over the top.

Police have confirmed they were not in colours but would not confirm reports some of them were father and son.

Police will allege they were spotted together in early November in the public bar section of the hotel but would not say if they were having a drink or eating a meal.

OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

Incredibly stupid waste of public money and the court's time.

What happened to 'sensible'?

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

This is getting ridiculous.

The danger signs inherent in this are only apparent to those who have an awareness of what constitutes free speech, and what represents a violation of it. In this instance (something easily overlooked) is that the bikers were literally only 'speaking'.


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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub.

Mandatory sentencing for a specific crime that is a product of legislation enacted to expediate the process of government. Next step legislate the conviction process so that a courtroom trial is unnecessary (on the spot convictions).


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The men have been charged under the new anti-bikie legislation relating to three or more members together in a public place and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday. Police have confirmed they were not in colours but would not confirm reports some of them were father and son. Police will allege they were spotted together in early November in the public bar section of the hotel but would not say if they were having a drink or eating a meal. Tip-offs from the public led to an investigation and today's arrest.

Aussie, being the vindictive squealing type, would have jammed the police switchboards reporting this violation of QLD's anti-free-speech laws.


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Detective Inspector Dave Drinnen told media the men - aged between 30 and 56 - were regular customers of the pub on the Sunshine Coast hinterland. Det Insp Drinnen said the alleged gang members were not causing trouble at the pub but were being charged for associating with one another as members of a criminal motorcycle gang. They were arrested this morning after five warrants were issued at five separate properties as part of Taskforce Maxima. Det Inspector Drinnen said the group included senior members of the Rebels bikie gang and participants. "At this point we will allege there are a number of declared criminal motorcycle gang members who have associated together knowingly in a public place and committed an offence in regard to the legislation," he said. "While the legislation exists, we will be enforcing that legislation, while they continue to commit offences then they will be prosecuted in relation to that." He said the Rebels were still active despite closing down their clubhouse. "We've certainly got nothing to indicate their unlawful activity has ceased, we will continue to investigate those matters where they continue to commit crime and break the law. "While they continue to break the law we'll take affirmative action in relation to that and we'll be putting them before the court." Commander Detective Superintendent Mick Niland from Taskforce Maxima said he believed the community supported the action police were taking.

You bet they support it. If there is one thing an Aussie won't tolerate it is freedom. How dare the bikers distinguish themselves by wearing uniforms and associating with each other, to speak freely.


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"This sends a clear message to criminal motorcycle gang participants that police will take action on every occasion where we have evidence of offences under the new legislation or existing legislation, the Queensland Police Service will take action.

The real message is that we are putting the jackboots that were issued by Joh, back on.


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"It's our mission within Taskforce Maxima to disrupt, dismantle and eliminate criminal motor cycle gang participants from Queensland.

Their mission will be to follow the rules of nature that say societies fall can be broken by  fascistic government. And that a special task-force is necessary to implement these laws and orders. And eventually a permanent squad with its own distinct black uniform and peaked cap will be needed to instill the fear necessary to maintain that law and order, at minimal expense. 


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"Therefore we will take very opportunity to fulfil that mission." He said Crimestoppers had received 500 calls relating to CMGs since the new laws came into effect. Detective Superintendent Niland said police would be extending the VLAD laws to take enforcement action against any crime gang - not just CMGs.

An ominous warning if ever there was one.  Your ideology might be next on our list, is what he is saying.

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub.

Excellent.

More to come, I hope.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope.

There will be more, but not as many as you might be hoping for. Aussieland is not exactly over run by freedom loving individuals, after all. Clean up the bikers & other small ideologies, then that would be it (der Juden have never been a problem here).

Will they arrive at court with pink overalls?

This will be interesting.

How can any Australian accept such morally wrong laws?

Police too dumb, lazy, or under resourced to catch criminals? Just declare whole groups as criminal, and arrest people at your convenience, despite the fact they were never actually caught doing anything wrong.
Gotta love banana bender pollies, they still manage to surprise us with their ability to behave appallingly.

These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended.
Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject.

mozzaok wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

Just declare whole groups as criminal...

The bikies declare themselves as criminals.

They are criminals.

These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers.

The police have done a good job.

mozzaok wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

How can any Australian accept such morally wrong laws? Australians don't accept it. It's the cockney convict (Aussie) that not only accepts, but condones these violations. Being thrown in jail because of their free speech is how quite a few convicts ended up in this country in the first place. Aussie is just dispensing the kind of justice that he is familiar with, is what I'm saying.    Police too dumb, lazy, or under resourced to catch criminals? Just declare whole groups as criminal, and arrest people at your convenience, despite the fact they were never actually caught doing anything wrong. Gotta love banana bender pollies, they still manage to surprise us with their ability to behave appallingly.

The police are obliged to act in the most efficient way that is legally possible. They don't make the laws (and is some instances relating to this have even objected to them). But those cops that show concern for the violation of human rights will soon be replaced by jackbooted psychopaths that will begin to gravitate up in the police force, as they do under all extreme right-wing governments . 

And if only these things could be confined to QLD. What we are seeing (I believe) is the emergence of something that is a manifestation of our past.  Governments and people who are representative of the character groups in the novel Oliver Twist. The ruthless hash business types of 19th century England & the orphan class ( Aussie, orphaned from his muvva, England).

If this is right, then it should be expected to spread. There will no mass resistance because the more formal 'Orstralian' of the past, who would have objected, is no longer a force due to natural attrition. Things don't look good. The only hope being a new political movement.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope.

the only people that would support this are stuck up toads like you greg living in your ivory tower in WA

we've been waiting for a example of how this has gone wrong. and innocent people are caught up in this.

whats next the football team, or the group of workers after work.

its perceived that someone there might be a bikie so therefore there all bikies.

ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject.

People who are openly gay would have been self declared criminals once.

Can Do showing how it's done.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope.

Laws should be thrown out, and all victims released.

Newman should be sacked and jailed.

So should the supporters of this VILE legislation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:41am: Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job.

Geez, Greg, I had you pegged as being smarter than to be sucked into supporting this BS law.

ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject.

That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives.

What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)?

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

ian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:50am: These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject. That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives. What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)?

what's next the local football team or their team supporter, although we don't have football yobos like the southern states.

Kat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 9:21am: freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope. Laws should be thrown out, and all victims released. Newman should be sacked and jailed. So should the supporters of this VILE legislation.

well you've got two here kat, but their comfortably sitting in WA

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives. What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)?

You must have some inside knowledge the rest of us are not privy to to kinow these 4 criminals intent. Were you at the meeting? How exactly are these 4 all related, please tell us.

There is nothing new about criminal consorting laws, various australian states have had them since the 1920's. Western Australia brought them in in 1955 and agressively policed them. You drama queens can fling your hands about and get hysterical as you want but there is nothing new here. Its easy enough not to be caught up in the laws , just dont be a criminal. There, easy isnt it?

Kat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

[ Laws should be thrown out, and all victims released. Newman should be sacked and jailed. So should the supporters of this VILE legislation.

Not going to happen, Newman has overwhelming support from the public for this.

ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 12:31pm: [ Laws should be thrown out, and all victims released. Newman should be sacked and jailed. So should the supporters of this VILE legislation. Not going to happen, Newman has overwhelming support from the public for this.

That's not what I'm seeing or hearing.

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

ian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:50am: These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject. That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives. What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)?

Their Godfather, perhaps? We don't have all the information as yet.

warrigal wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

what's next the local football team ...

No.

They're not criminal organisations.

Kat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

ian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 2:23pm: Kat wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 12:31pm: [ Laws should be thrown out, and all victims released. Newman should be sacked and jailed. So should the supporters of this VILE legislation. Not going to happen, Newman has overwhelming support from the public for this. That's not what I'm seeing or hearing.

Newman keeps saying he has support for this, in truth he doesn't, he's a liar.

7% (seven) of Qld'ers said bikies were a problem.....the hopelessly brainwashed sheeples. It was never about the bikies, that's a side dish, the main is G20.

Hardly any Qld people want the Joe days back, maybe a handful of southerners that don't even know what those times were like.

Newman doesn't have overwhelming support for anything....he is hated and is losing support by the day.

wrong Pansi, but then thats nothing new either, you being wrong

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/queenslanders-support-bikie-laws-poll/story-fnihsfrf-1226761570273

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Of the 800 Queenslanders who took part in the poll late last week, 56 per cent said they backed the crackdown against outlaw motorcycle gangs. About a third opposed the laws.

Only a third oppose the laws, you are in the minority. As for Newmans popularity


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However, the Liberal National Party still leads in the primary vote with 45 per cent support compared to Labor's 33. The LNP leads Labor 57 per cent to 43 per cent on a two-party-preferred basis.

It must really irk you, most people just dont see it your way.   :'(

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 3:27pm:

warrigal wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 1:53pm: what's next the local football team ... the three at the Yandina pub weren't even bikies, as though that were had left them before. No. They're not criminal organisations.

ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives. What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)? You must have some inside knowledge the rest of us are not privy to to kinow these 4 criminals intent. Were you at the meeting? How exactly are these 4 all related, please tell us.

The article I read in the Australian said they were related. The online article suggested it also. I said nothing of their intention, which was probably to meet up and have a few beers, as they regularly do, according to the article. You may not be familiar with modern concepts of justice, but we use an idea called innocent until proven guilty. It should not be up to these people, or anyone else, to disprove that they had some kind of nefarious intent in meeting at the pub for a few beers. Our justice system has completely lost it's way, lead up the garden path by that Newman Nazi, if that approach is tolerated.

Are Australians really gullible enough to discard freedom and justice in order to facilitate lazy policing?


ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 2:21pm:

There is nothing new about criminal consorting laws, various australian states have had them since the 1920's. Western Australia brought them in in 1955 and agressively policed them. You drama queens can fling your hands about and get hysterical as you want but there is nothing new here. Its easy enough not to be caught up in the laws , just dont be a criminal. There, easy isnt it?

Hitler, Stalin, McCarthy etc were also very fond of them. If we had them in the past, that must mean they are perfectly acceptable, right? Perhaps we should also start taking Aborigines kids off them and sending them to the farms to work for nothing.....

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Are Australians really gullible enough to discard freedom and justice in order to facilitate lazy policing?

It would seem so. Sadly.

Australia in the 60s, 70s and 80s was a great country.

I hardly recognise it now.

Kat wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 8:33pm:

Quote: Are Australians really gullible enough to discard freedom and justice in order to facilitate lazy policing? It would seem so. Sadly. Australia in the 60s, 70s and 80s was a great country. I hardly recognise it now.

Hasn't it become a cesspit Kat?

Imagine the shock you would get if you went away in 1980 and came back today.

A terrible change for the worse.

What happened to my old country?

It never recovered from the Howard years, just deteriorated.

Queensland did recover after Bjeilke-petersen, we had some good years, but we are slipping back to the bad old JB-P era with Newman.

Can't people look back at history and see that fascist leaders are the ruination of a nation.

Queensland has spoken! without the Newman spin.

Queenslanders don't agree with the bikie laws

Queenslanders not fooled by bikie crackdown says poll

THE Queensland Government has failed to convince most Queenslanders of the threat posed by outlaw motorcycle gangs, according to an exclusive survey.

But only a quarter believed the state's new anti-bikie laws were necessary, and 58% strongly disagreed with them.

Forty-two per cent strongly disagreed with that idea, while 53% either disagreed or strongly disagreed that motorcycle gangs were behind major drug and crime operations.

In a slap in the face for Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, just 15% of respondents strongly agreed with his approach to law and order issues, and a further 9% agreed.

By comparison, 54% of respondents strongly disagreed with his approach and another 13% disagreed with it.

There was strong support for keeping the government and the judiciary separate, with 71% strongly supportive and another 19% agreeing.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/Queenslanders-not-fooled-by-Bikie-crackdown-says-p/2085958/

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:01am:

Kat wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 8:33pm: Quote: Are Australians really gullible enough to discard freedom and justice in order to facilitate lazy policing? It would seem so. Sadly. Australia in the 60s, 70s and 80s was a great country. I hardly recognise it now. Hasn't it become a cesspit Kat? Imagine the shock you would get if you went away in 1980 and came back today. A terrible change for the worse. What happened to my old country? It never recovered from the Howard years, just deteriorated. Queensland did recover after Bjeilke-petersen, we had some good years, but we are slipping back to the bad old JB-P era with Newman. Can't people look back at history and see that fascist leaders are the ruination of a nation.

PANSI THE WHOLE WORLD HAS CHANGED..

I can see massive changes since I first arrived here...MASSIVE..

if I went back to London  which I havent done since 74 I would see MASSIVE CHANGES...

can I send you an email...

we are responsible for the changes... HUMANS remember we have the power to change CLIMATE  no one forces us to live and behave the way we do..  those that sit on a computer whingeing and complaining and doing little else are just as responsible as the bomb makers..

in my opinion..

Qld dont mind bikies running wild doing what they do best shooting each other and running the drugs and guns.. good luck to them..they are welcome..

as long as when it all starts happening in your street you dont ring the cops to come and fix it..because why are they going to fix something you claim they have every right to do..

I am happy for you I prefer bikies to live and work in Qld than to be here in ACT..we are just far enough away to know they wont even want to holiday here..

so alls good pansi you dont have any opposition from me thats for sure..

how are Qlds about paedophiles...??? I dont want them here either..

such a friendly State  do you have a we welcome BIKIES petition doing the rounds.. ::)

sure cods, send an email....(going to the gym, will answer later)

Qld dont mind bikies running wild doing what they do best shooting each other and running the drugs and guns.. good luck to them..they are welcome..

We ALREADY had laws in place, laws that were made for all residents, not specific groups.

Once in a blue moon we see a dozen or so bikies from a well known bikie gang, ride out to the beaches, not sure what they do, just have a chin wag and a fag and ride back somewhere....they are not a problem, never have been.

Qld is not a lawless state overrun by bikies as Campbell Newman would have you believe. You are far more likely to be attacked by a drunk at a pub than a bikie.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

mozzaok wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:41am: Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job.

That's what they said about witches in the dark ages
& during the Inquisition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

sure cods, send an email....(going to the gym, will answer later) Qld dont mind bikies running wild doing what they do best shooting each other and running the drugs and guns.. good luck to them..they are welcome.. We ALREADY had laws in place, laws that were made for all residents, not specific groups. AND THEY STICK THEIR FINGER UP AT THEM OR HAVENT YOU NOTICED Once in a blue moon we see a dozen or so bikies from a well known bikie gang, ride out to the beaches, not sure what they do, just have a chin wag and a fag and ride back somewhere....they are not a problem, never have been. Qld is not a lawless state overrun by bikies as Campbell Newman would have you believe. You are far more likely to be attacked by a drunk at a pub than a bikie.

ONCE IN A BLUE MOON.. LOL..OK.. WHATEVER

i AM SURE S.A.WILL BE DELIGHTED TO SEND THEIRS UP TO YOU AS THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET RID OF THEM[OUTLAW] SINCE WHENEVEN.. dont worry I am sure its only a few rebels that do the wrong thing.. ;) ;)
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the bikies are not out to get you pansi.. they are a secret society that wants to control the cartels of guns and drugs....but like I said you are so open minded I think its wonderful of you and so laid back.. I would like to use the word tolerant however I dont think its got anything to do with that at all... ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:04am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:55am: mozzaok wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:41am: Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job. That's what they said about witches in the dark ages & during the Inquisition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI

so Bobs what do you call it when you have to have to go through a screening alarm at the airport...and have about 8 booffy blokes waiting to jump if the alarm  goes off??? witch hunt???

what about if you visit YOUR Parliament house the one YOU paid for.. and the same thing happens..... witch hunt?

how do you feel when a patrol car pulls you over and wants to test your breath...bloody hell do we all drink and drive??? >:( is that what they are saying?

..what happens if we refuse claiming we havent had a drink????????????....

only once in a BLUE MOON do we see drunk drivers...why list me in with all those.??

yep thats got to be  another witch hunt?


are they calling us all paedophiles if we take a photo of our kids at a swimming pool. >:( >:(

Well, bring on the jackboots and Hitler salutes..  Mountie Newman has done it already (not again)...

Something wrong with the air or water in Queens-lund.. you mark my words....  ;D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:15am:

Queensland has spoken! without the Newman spin. Queenslanders don't agree with the bikie laws Queenslanders not fooled by bikie crackdown says poll THE Queensland Government has failed to convince most Queenslanders of the threat posed by outlaw motorcycle gangs, according to an exclusive survey. But only a quarter believed the state's new anti-bikie laws were necessary, and 58% strongly disagreed with them. Forty-two per cent strongly disagreed with that idea, while 53% either disagreed or strongly disagreed that motorcycle gangs were behind major drug and crime operations. In a slap in the face for Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, just 15% of respondents strongly agreed with his approach to law and order issues, and a further 9% agreed. By comparison, 54% of respondents strongly disagreed with his approach and another 13% disagreed with it. There was strong support for keeping the government and the judiciary separate, with 71% strongly supportive and another 19% agreeing. http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/Queenslanders-not-fooled-by-Bikie-crackdown-says-p/2085958/

Who'd have guessed? It took people a month or so to realise just how retarded these laws are. I hope those who posted the opinion polls immediately after the law came out, thinking that would be the end of it, are catching a bit of common sense now.

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 6:15am: Queensland has spoken! without the Newman spin. Queenslanders don't agree with the bikie laws Queenslanders not fooled by bikie crackdown says poll THE Queensland Government has failed to convince most Queenslanders of the threat posed by outlaw motorcycle gangs, according to an exclusive survey. But only a quarter believed the state's new anti-bikie laws were necessary, and 58% strongly disagreed with them. Forty-two per cent strongly disagreed with that idea, while 53% either disagreed or strongly disagreed that motorcycle gangs were behind major drug and crime operations. In a slap in the face for Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, just 15% of respondents strongly agreed with his approach to law and order issues, and a further 9% agreed. By comparison, 54% of respondents strongly disagreed with his approach and another 13% disagreed with it. There was strong support for keeping the government and the judiciary separate, with 71% strongly supportive and another 19% agreeing. http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/Queenslanders-not-fooled-by-Bikie-crackdown-says-p/2085958/ Who'd have guessed? It took people a month or so to realise just how retarded these laws are. I hope those who posted the opinion polls immediately after the law came out, thinking that would be the end of it, are catching a bit of common sense now.

fantastic news.. now we will know where all the bikie gangs are...thank you Qld..

I'm sorry but I don't get this thread..wasn't this the whole idea?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:15am:

Queensland has spoken! without the Newman spin. Queenslanders don't agree with the bikie laws Queenslanders not fooled by bikie crackdown says poll THE Queensland Government has failed to convince most Queenslanders of the threat posed by outlaw motorcycle gangs, according to an exclusive survey. But only a quarter believed the state's new anti-bikie laws were necessary, and 58% strongly disagreed with them. Forty-two per cent strongly disagreed with that idea, while 53% either disagreed or strongly disagreed that motorcycle gangs were behind major drug and crime operations. In a slap in the face for Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie, just 15% of respondents strongly agreed with his approach to law and order issues, and a further 9% agreed. By comparison, 54% of respondents strongly disagreed with his approach and another 13% disagreed with it. There was strong support for keeping the government and the judiciary separate, with 71% strongly supportive and another 19% agreeing. http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/Queenslanders-not-fooled-by-Bikie-crackdown-says-p/2085958/

Rubbish, it was a loaded survey called a poll for the benefit of the media article. Using the same methods I can prove the moon is made of green cheese. Try again.

freediver wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:37pm:

[ Who'd have guessed? It took people a month or so to realise just how retarded these laws are. I hope those who posted the opinion polls immediately after the law came out, thinking that would be the end of it, are catching a bit of common sense now.

it wasnt an opinion poll, it was a survey. You people are so gullible.

ian wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject.

I can find nothing in the article to confirm these men were self confessed criminals. Even criminals have the right to drink or eat at a pub.

These fascist laws remind me of apartheid South Africa, where a citizen could be "banned", restricted to his home and unable to be in a room with more than one other person.

These laws make Queensland a laughing stock. Someone should buy Newman a Nazi uniform and jackboots.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:47am:

sure cods, send an email....(going to the gym, will answer later) Qld dont mind bikies running wild doing what they do best shooting each other and running the drugs and guns.. good luck to them..they are welcome.. We ALREADY had laws in place, laws that were made for all residents, not specific groups. Once in a blue moon we see a dozen or so bikies from a well known bikie gang, ride out to the beaches, not sure what they do, just have a chin wag and a fag and ride back somewhere....they are not a problem, never have been. Qld is not a lawless state overrun by bikies as Campbell Newman would have you believe. You are far more likely to be attacked by a drunk at a pub than a bikie.

OR a stuck up asrhole at the pub that thinks he/ she is better than you.
I will DEMEAN you and then get away with it.

complete fn arsholes.

brumbie wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

I'm sorry but I don't get this thread..wasn't this the whole idea?

that sounds just like a southerners opinion of it.

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 7:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:55am: mozzaok wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:41am: Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job. That's what they said about witches in the dark ages & during the Inquisition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI so Bobs what do you call it when you have to have to go through a screening alarm at the airport...and have about 8 booffy blokes waiting to jump if the alarm  goes off??? witch hunt??? what about if you visit YOUR Parliament house the one YOU paid for.. and the same thing happens..... witch hunt? how do you feel when a patrol car pulls you over and wants to test your breath...bloody hell do we all drink and drive??? >:( is that what they are saying? ..what happens if we refuse claiming we havent had a drink????????????.... only once in a BLUE MOON do we see drunk drivers...why list me in with all those.?? yep thats got to be  another witch hunt? are they calling us all paedophiles if we take a photo of our kids at a swimming pool. >:( >:(

The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition.
It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that.
We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say
he's a  bad guy.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:01am:

cods wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 8:07am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 7:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:55am: mozzaok wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:41am: Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job. That's what they said about witches in the dark ages & during the Inquisition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g76LwvbBEI so Bobs what do you call it when you have to have to go through a screening alarm at the airport...and have about 8 booffy blokes waiting to jump if the alarm  goes off??? witch hunt??? what about if you visit YOUR Parliament house the one YOU paid for.. and the same thing happens..... witch hunt? how do you feel when a patrol car pulls you over and wants to test your breath...bloody hell do we all drink and drive??? >:( is that what they are saying? ..what happens if we refuse claiming we havent had a drink????????????.... only once in a BLUE MOON do we see drunk drivers...why list me in with all those.?? yep thats got to be  another witch hunt? are they calling us all paedophiles if we take a photo of our kids at a swimming pool. >:( >:( The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy.

Or is it just, He's a bad guy, because I think I am supreame to you. and its my right to demean you.

its not Campbell Newmans fault its a fault in the people of our society. The stuck up ones.

Dear Warrigal,

Campbell Newman is on a witch hunt -

that is plain to see.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:01am:

The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy.

you didnt address the questions..

I havent heard of you complaining about smokers being witch hunted??

it could be called persecution the way they are treated these days..

they are even watched to see they don t smoke in their own cars..

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01am: The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy. you didnt address the questions.. I havent heard of you complaining about smokers being witch hunted?? it could be called persecution the way they are treated these days.. they are even watched to see they don t smoke in their own cars..

Modern age witches are being looked for everywhere -

whether they be smokers or previous bikie gang members.

Society needs bad guys.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:03am:

Society needs bad guys.

We have them.

They are in parliament house.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 9:21am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope.

anyone else noticed how greggerys "live and let live" philosophy is reversed for bikies....and no one else.

Do I detect butthurt?

Perhaps they wouldn't let him join their club.

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 8:52am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 9:21am: freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope. anyone else noticed how greggerys "live and let live" philosophy is reversed for bikies criminals ....and no one else.

Fixed.

Bikies are criminals, dear.

::)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:03am: Society needs bad guys. We have them. They are in parliament house.

Yes & they get involved in lots of criminal behavior e.g.

selling wheat to supply military arms for our enemies - treason.

setting up spying in foreign countries to tap phone lines etc - espionage.

etc

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:12am:

Campbell Newman is on a witch hunt - that is plain to see.

Is that why Gillards been hiding lately.  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:12am: Campbell Newman is on a witch hunt - that is plain to see. Is that why Gillards been hiding lately.  ;D

You are charged with misogyny.

forgiven

namaste

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:12am: Campbell Newman is on a witch hunt - that is plain to see. Is that why Gillards been hiding lately.  ;D

shes saving herself for the biggest witch hunt'

the AWU ROYAL>>>


bring it on..

then we will really see who the bad guys are...

and I dont think they all wear leather.. ;) ;)
'

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:55am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:31am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:12am: Campbell Newman is on a witch hunt - that is plain to see. Is that why Gillards been hiding lately.  ;D shes saving herself for the biggest witch hunt' the AWU ROYAL>>> bring it on.. then we will really see who the bad guys are... and I dont think they all wear leather. '

No, but many do.


http://www.thepunch.com.au/images/uploads/turnbull-leather-jacket.gif

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:24am:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 9:21am: freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope. anyone else noticed how greggerys "live and let live" philosophy is reversed for bikies criminals ....and no one else. Fixed. Bikies are criminals, dear. ::)

Maybe so, but then, show me ONE person who isn't.  Exceed the speed limit or cross the road while the red man is showing = breaking the law = criminal.  That's not quite enough to explain why you've singled out bikies.

There's a story behind why you're so scared of bikies.  Do you mind sharing?

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:24am: ... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:52am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 9:21am: freediver wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:25pm: This is getting ridiculous. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/four-rebels-bikies-arrested-after-hotel-meeting/story-fnihsrf2-1226779689541 FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub. Excellent. More to come, I hope. anyone else noticed how greggerys "live and let live" philosophy is reversed for bikies criminals ....and no one else. Fixed. Bikies are criminals, dear. ::) Maybe so, but then, show me ONE person who isn't.  Exceed the speed limit or cross the road while the red man is showing = breaking the law = criminal.  That's not quite enough to explain why you've singled out bikies. There's a story behind why you're so scared of bikies.  Do you mind sharing?

Ah yes, jaywalkers and bikies: all the same.

Brilliant!

Jay walking is a more severe "crime" than going to get a drink with friends. 

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Jay walking is a more severe "crime" than going to get a drink with friends.

Honky's idea of a bikie clubhouse:


http://www.bridesmaiding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/old-ladies-tea2.jpg

freediver wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

ian wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:50am: These people are self declared criminals and were consorting with each other. Its easy enough for them to avoid arrest, simply declare themselves no longer members of a self declared criminal organisatioin and hand in thier colours. Well done, the police doing their job are to be commended. Lots of drama queens commenting on this subject. That is exactly what they did. They were not wearing colours. They were just meeting some relatives at the pub, the same way they always did. Many of the gangs have officially disbanded. Yet these people have been declared criminals for the rest of their lives, without trial, and can now be arrested for meeting their own friends and relatives. What next from the spineless Newman apologists? The bikies have nothing to fear so long as they obey the law (by never going to a family reunion or party)?

Yes.

If these people are criminals, then they should have been locked up for the crimes they committed. If they were dealing drugs, they should be charged with that. If they were violent, then arrest them for being violent. The need to invent dangerous laws to catch criminals who can't be convicted for what they are actually doing wrong indicates that there is something very sick about our justice system.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 5:31pm: Jay walking is a more severe "crime" than going to get a drink with friends.  Honky's idea of a bikie clubhouse: http://www.bridesmaiding.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/old-ladies-tea2.jpg

Clubhouses have nothing to do with it.


Quote:

FIVE arrested Rebels bikies face up to six months mandatory jail for meeting up at the Yandina Pub.

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:31pm:

Jay walking is a more severe "crime" than going to get a drink with friends.

Honky's idea of bikies:


http://www.waratahmasters.com.au/TEMPO/Tempo236/assets/images/ladies_on_bikes.jpg

Enough about me - What's your idea of bikies?

Bikies at the pub (according to Honky):


http://www.kasterine.com/england/content/bin/images/large/men_in_pub.jpg

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Enough about me - What's your idea of bikies?

His  idea of bikies have the bums cut out of their leather pants with fox tails hanging down.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 5:59pm: Enough about me - What's your idea of bikies? His  idea of bikies have the bums cut out of their leather pants with fox tails hanging down.

Nah, that's his idea of a good time.

Honky down at the pub, having a drink with some bad ass bikies:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fD538f8XSvU/TfvZL7lIJAI/AAAAAAAAACo/CSY_Vrn3nHQ/s320/Tea_Party_Hero_1.jpg


"Take the cup off your head Honky, you're not a saucer".

"LOL"

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01pm: ... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 5:59pm: Enough about me - What's your idea of bikies? His  idea of bikies have the bums cut out of their leather pants with fox tails hanging down. Nah, that's his idea of a good time.

;D ;D ;D

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:01pm:

Bikies at the pub (according to Honky): http://www.kasterine.com/england/content/bin/images/large/men_in_pub.jpg

Det Insp Drinnen said the alleged gang members were not causing trouble at the pub but were being charged for associating with one another.

Bikies letting their hair down, at Honky's local:


http://pres.iu.edu/first-lady/gallery/colloquium-2012/img/3.jpg

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01pm: Bikies at the pub (according to Honky): http://www.kasterine.com/england/content/bin/images/large/men_in_pub.jpg Det Insp Drinnen said the alleged gang members were not causing trouble at the pub but were being charged for associating with one another.

Correct.

Honky down at the pub, having a drink with some bad ass bikies:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fD538f8XSvU/TfvZL7lIJAI/AAAAAAAAACo/CSY_Vrn3nHQ/s320/Tea_Party_Hero_1.jpg


"Honky, you aren't a saucer.  Take that cup off your head, silly".

"He he"

My mate was in the Rebels for a bit. His father is a high up in a NQ chapter. They don't like people who aren't white. Very white supremacist and militant but keep their activities out of the public. Bikie clubs are highly organised and becoming highly sophisticated. The days of a hairy smelly biker are gone. A work for a big company and a few of the big managers are bikies. That's why I think the government is threatened by them.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Bikie clubs are highly organised and becoming highly sophisticated.

They always have been.

It's not called "organised crime" for nothing.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fD538f8XSvU/TfvZL7lIJAI/AAAAAAAAACo/CSY_Vrn3nHQ/s320/Tea_Party_Hero_1.jpg

The saucer head lass is certainly not Honky, he would never stand that close to a tinted person.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Bikie clubs are highly organised and becoming highly sophisticated. They always have been. It's not called "organised crime" for nothing.

Not everything they do is criminal. Not everything the Italian Mafia did was criminal either. They are people that don't care for our system of governance and feel they can do things better. The Rebels are not anti-social though. They are normal Australian people who are involved in their communities. Not like the Lebbo gangs. The Lebbo gangs even did a murder in the QANTAS check in at Sydney airport.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fD538f8XSvU/TfvZL7lIJAI/AAAAAAAAACo/CSY_Vrn3nHQ/s320/Tea_Party_Hero_1.jpg The saucer head lass is certainly not Honky, he would never stand that close to a tinted person.

Actually, you're right.

Here's Honky pouring a drink, down at the local, for a Hell's Angel:


http://www.bilerico.com/2011/01/tea-party-crw_0003.png

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

The Rebels are not anti-social though.

I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/


"1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html

Name one problem they have caused in public.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html Name one problem they have caused in public.

Sure.

"NSW Rebels bikie member charged with sexual assault of 14-year-old girl"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-09/rebels-bikie-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teen/5080798

You support this kind of thing, do you?

Not surprising.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:31pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html Name one problem they have caused in public. Sure. "NSW Rebels bikie member charged with sexual assault of 14-year-old girl" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-09/rebels-bikie-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teen/5080798 You support this kind of thing, do you? Not surprising.

Cops have raped girls. Now start again. When has a group from their club gone into public and caused problems.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:31pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html Name one problem they have caused in public. Sure. "NSW Rebels bikie member charged with sexual assault of 14-year-old girl" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-09/rebels-bikie-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teen/5080798 You support this kind of thing, do you? Not surprising. Cops have raped girls. Now start again. When has a group from their club gone into public and caused problems.

You've defended pedos raping 14 year old girls.  Are you going to defend these scumbags too?

"Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences.

"Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct.

"It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:36pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:31pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:28pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html Name one problem they have caused in public. Sure. "NSW Rebels bikie member charged with sexual assault of 14-year-old girl" http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-09/rebels-bikie-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teen/5080798 You support this kind of thing, do you? Not surprising. Cops have raped girls. Now start again. When has a group from their club gone into public and caused problems. You've defended pedos raping 14 year old girls.  Are you going to defend these scumbags too? "Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences. "Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct. "It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place."

See you later !! Isn't it time for one of your gay videos or to bake a soufflé .

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/37669/701278-2813661_trololol_owned_meme_generator_you_just_got_owned_58970b.jpg


Better luck next time.   ;)

And, don't support pedos.  It's not a good look.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;)

There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:42pm: http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;) There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer.

"Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences.

"Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct.

"It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044

And, stop supporting pedos.  Not a good look, dude.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:42pm: http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;) There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer. "Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences. "Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct. "It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044 And, stop supporting pedos.  Not a good look, dude.

Next! Same old no answer. You are one dumb person.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:26pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:19pm: The Rebels are not anti-social though. I don't suppose you would be interested in buying a bridge?    :-/ "1% outlaws elite".   http://www.rebelsmc.com.au/REBELS_MC_AUSTRALIA/Welcome.html Name one problem they have caused in public.

"SIX Rebels bikies have been charged with a string of violent offences after a brutal nightclub attack on a woman and her two brothers in Rockingham."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202

Pecca have you always been a supporter of collective punishment?

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:49pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:42pm: http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;) There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer. "Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences. "Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct. "It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044 And, stop supporting pedos.  Not a good look, dude. Next! Same old no answer. You are one dumb person.

"Six Rebels bikies charged over brutal nightclub attack"

"Police inquiries revealed the offenders where patched members, nominees or associates of the Rebels OMCG."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:49pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:42pm: http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;) There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer. "Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences. "Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct. "It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044 And, stop supporting pedos.  Not a good look, dude. Next! Same old no answer. You are one dumb person. "Six Rebels bikies charged over brutal nightclub attack" "Police inquiries revealed the offenders where patched members, nominees or associates of the Rebels OMCG." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202

Fair enough. 

However, being charged with having an incident-free drink with friends is another matter.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:52pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:49pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:45pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:42pm: http://blog.cat/gallery/18063/18063-98218.jpg Better luck next time.   ;) There's nothing worse than a person when he can't admit he's wrong. Clubhouse raid and a bikie who raped a girl in his off time out of the club. Nothing else. No public displays of violence, no answer. "Five Rebels, aged between 21 and 33, were charged with weapons, drugs and driving offences. "Two of the men were also charged with disorderly conduct. "It is believed the victim had no association with the gang and that the incident occurred in a public place." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/rebels-bikies-charged-after-busselton-clubhouse-raid/story-fnhocxo3-1226753008044 And, stop supporting pedos.  Not a good look, dude. Next! Same old no answer. You are one dumb person. "Six Rebels bikies charged over brutal nightclub attack" "Police inquiries revealed the offenders where patched members, nominees or associates of the Rebels OMCG." http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202

So what you lonely little snivelling loser. Get a life and get off your computer. You are always on here. Gets some UV on yourself.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:01pm:

So what ...

You said, and I quote: "Name one problem they have caused in public."

I provided you with exactly what you asked for.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202

Was there something else?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:11pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:01pm: So what ... You said, and I quote: "Name one problem they have caused in public." I provided you with exactly what you asked for. http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202 Was there something else?

Yeah. Get a life.

You are on a hiding to nothing on this matter Big Dave.

This is what gave Newman the excuse to attack civil rights.

Click here.


Quote:

IT IS the footage the Newman Government is hoping will help silence critics of its bikie crackdown. Police have released video, taken from a camera on the vest of a Gold Coast police ­officer, which documents the moments Bandidos bikies took over a Broadbeach restaurant strip, intimidating and challenging police and terrifying diners nearby.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:11pm: Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:01pm: So what ... You said, and I quote: "Name one problem they have caused in public." I provided you with exactly what you asked for. http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/six-rebels-bikies-charged-over-brutal-nightclub-attack/story-e6frg13u-1226280580202 Was there something else? Yeah. Get a life.

I have a wonderful life, thanks.

So, I've named "one problem they have caused in public" and, I've got a life (a wonderful one).

Was there anything else?

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

The Rebels are not anti-social though.

Oh, of course not.  Perish the thought.

Nothing anti-social about raping kids.

"NSW Rebels bikie member charged with sexual assault of 14-year-old girl"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-09/rebels-bikie-member-charged-with-sexual-assault-of-teen/5080798

Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though.

Nothing to be afraid of.

They're all splendid chaps.

Ask Honky.

Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really.

Sure, they're just misunderstood, some of them probably collect stamps too.  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Sure, they're just misunderstood, some of them probably collect stamps too.  ;D

Sweet, sweet guys.



*(Honky: would you let one babysit your kids?)

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really.

Who said they were splendid chaps? 

I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door.

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door.

Raping kids, selling drugs, and murdering is just the same as jaywalking and being an arsehole.

Honky, my boy, you've been out in the sun too long today.

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door.

I'd be careful what you reveal.

I abhor child rape, murder, and drug dealing, and your response is to suggest that I'm an "arsehole".

Are we to assume that you support child rape, murder, and drug dealing?

Or, are you an arsehole?

Which is it, Honky?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door. I'd be careful what you reveal. I abhor child rape, murder, and drug dealing, and your response is to suggest that I'm an "arsehole". Are we to assume that you support child rape, murder, and drug dealing? Or, are you an arsehole? Which is it, Honky?

If someone does child rape, murder, and drug dealing, they can and should be punished for it.  But, if someone is just going to the pub to meet their friends, I don't see the problem.   But you seem to - are you ready to share your story about why you're so irrationally scared of bikies?  I love a good yarn.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2ad742932e832110666be0786986d006/tumblr_mofzt1vrv51svxaato1_500.gif

... wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:30pm: ... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door. I'd be careful what you reveal. I abhor child rape, murder, and drug dealing, and your response is to suggest that I'm an "arsehole". Are we to assume that you support child rape, murder, and drug dealing? Or, are you an arsehole? Which is it, Honky? If someone does child rape, murder, and drug dealing, they can and should be punished for it.  But, if someone is just going to the pub to meet their friends, I don't see the problem.

Bikies aren't just "someone", Honky.

They're self-proclaimed criminals.

Jaywalkers, someone, arseholes, murderers, rapists, drug dealers: all the same to you.

Why do you like bikies so much, Honky?

Working in one of their gyms?

Big brother in a chapter?

Fess up, boy.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

My mate was in the Rebels for a bit. His father is a high up in a NQ chapter. They don't like people who aren't white. Very white supremacist and militant but keep their activities out of the public. Bikie clubs are highly organised and becoming highly sophisticated. The days of a hairy smelly biker are gone. A work for a big company and a few of the big managers are bikies. That's why I think the government is threatened by them.

Thats rubbish. The Rebels are full of non white members. Which makes thier club logo kind of ironic. And most of them work, (if they work) in low level jobs. Im not sure why you people feel the need to fabricate stories.

ian wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Big Dave wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:12pm: My mate was in the Rebels for a bit. His father is a high up in a NQ chapter. They don't like people who aren't white. Very white supremacist and militant but keep their activities out of the public. Bikie clubs are highly organised and becoming highly sophisticated. The days of a hairy smelly biker are gone. A work for a big company and a few of the big managers are bikies. That's why I think the government is threatened by them. Thats rubbish. The Rebels are full of non white members. Which makes thier club logo kind of ironic. And most of them work, (if they work) in low level jobs. Im not sure why you people feel the need to fabricate stories.

Don't be too hard on Big Dave; he aint the sharpest tool in the shed.

He's a tool alright, but not a very sharp one.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:30pm: ... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door. I'd be careful what you reveal. I abhor child rape, murder, and drug dealing, and your response is to suggest that I'm an "arsehole". Are we to assume that you support child rape, murder, and drug dealing? Or, are you an arsehole? Which is it, Honky? If someone does child rape, murder, and drug dealing, they can and should be punished for it.  But, if someone is just going to the pub to meet their friends, I don't see the problem.  Bikies aren't just "someone", Honky. They're self-proclaimed criminals. Jaywalkers, someone, arseholes, murderers, rapists, drug dealers: all the same to you. Why do you like bikies so much, Honky? Working in one of their gyms? Big brother in a chapter? Fess up, boy.

We are defending freedom of association. Not just the bikies freedom, but our own freedom. You on the other hand do seem to have some personal stake in this.

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:44pm:

We are defending freedom of association. Not just the bikies freedom, but our own freedom. You on the other hand do seem to have some personal stake in this.

I don't associate with criminals.

Bikies, on the other hand, are self-proclaimed criminals.

What part of that don't you understand?

The bit where they are not actually criminals (except in the sense that they went to the pub to meet some family and friends) and that they are not self proclaimed anything.

What part of freedom of association do you not understand? How about collective punishment? Do you support that? Do you even understand what I am asking you? This is not the first time I have asked you. So far you seem oblivious to the question.

freediver wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

The bit where they are not actually criminals ...

Incorrect.

Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

You should get out more,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQZF1KdWYHM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQVXHlMvOoU

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:51pm: The bit where they are not actually criminals ... Incorrect. Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. You should get out more,

yes, they are self proclaimed criminals. Hence the government crackdown . Im sensing some lack of understanding amongst some of the posters here.

ian wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 11:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:52pm: freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:51pm: The bit where they are not actually criminals ... Incorrect. Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. You should get out more, yes, they are self proclaimed criminals. Hence the government crackdown . Im sensing some lack of understanding amongst some of the posters here.

Either that, or they know some bikies.

Honky went very quiet when I confronted him.

I'm guessing some posters on here are closely associated with bikie scum.

So - exactly when and where did the 'bikies' declare themselves to be criminals?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 9:46pm:

... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 9:38pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:30pm: ... wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 8:10pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:50pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 7:44pm: Bikies are scumbags and arseholes ... don't tell them I said that though. Nothing to be afraid of. They're all splendid chaps. Ask Honky. Sure, they rape kids, sell drugs, and murder people, but deep down they're just nice guys.  Really. Who said they were splendid chaps?  I'd be careful what you wish for - if they start arresting people just for being arseholes, it won't be long before they're knocking on your door. I'd be careful what you reveal. I abhor child rape, murder, and drug dealing, and your response is to suggest that I'm an "arsehole". Are we to assume that you support child rape, murder, and drug dealing? Or, are you an arsehole? Which is it, Honky? If someone does child rape, murder, and drug dealing, they can and should be punished for it.  But, if someone is just going to the pub to meet their friends, I don't see the problem.  Bikies aren't just "someone", Honky. They're self-proclaimed criminals. Jaywalkers, someone, arseholes, murderers, rapists, drug dealers: all the same to you. Why do you like bikies so much, Honky? Working in one of their gyms? Big brother in a chapter? Fess up, boy.

I don't like them.  Don't hate 'em either.

I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know they're not as scary, or as different as you think. 

Well, that's my story, now it's your turn,  What happened?

cods wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 8:07am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13th, 2013 at 7:04am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 10:55am: [quote author=mozzaok link=1386753956/8#8 date=1386808873] Just declare whole groups as criminal... The bikies declare themselves as criminals. They are criminals. These are outlaw bikies, not Sunday afternoon bikers. The police have done a good job. That's what they said about witches in the dark ages & during the Inquisition. so Bobs what do you call it when you have to have to go through a screening alarm at the airport...and have about 8 booffy blokes waiting to jump if the alarm  goes off??? witch hunt??? what about if you visit YOUR Parliament house the one YOU paid for.. and the same thing happens..... witch hunt? how do you feel when a patrol car pulls you over and wants to test your breath...bloody hell do we all drink and drive??? >:( is that what they are saying? ..what happens if we refuse claiming we havent had a drink????????????.... only once in a BLUE MOON do we see drunk drivers...why list me in with all those.?? yep thats got to be  another witch hunt? are they calling us all paedophiles if we take a photo of our kids at a swimming pool. >:( >:(

As a matter of fact that's exactly what's happening..... I was on holidays recently with my D & S in law & grandson(4yr old) on an island off Gladstone.... he loves to take his clothes off on the beach & run around .... when ever he did this I was ever mindful not to be taking photos or video ... else it be seen by someone who dobs you in. It's going on everywhere..... no more family/children snaps/vidoes .... especially at public places. ::)

cods wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01am: The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy. you didnt address the questions.. I havent heard of you complaining about smokers being witch hunted?? it could be called persecution the way they are treated these days.. they are even watched to see they don t smoke in their own cars..

That would be the most irrelevant comparison thrown into this thread. How about the persecution of non-smokers by smokers since forever? They had to sit in venues/areas & put up with that stench being blown in their faces/stinking up their clothes, making their eyes sore & breathing the second hand smoke crap, causing damage to their health ... with no recourse other than to get in a punch up if they objected. Smokers in the main are the most ignorant, arrogant & inconsiderate people around. Not to mention that they are one of our biggest contributors to our litter problems & drain on health resources. Smoking regulations are protection of non-smokers rights not to have to breath or be subject to the residue of someone elses personal habits & it's been long overdue.

Oh & forgot to mention the man hours lost at work because they are outside having a dumper every 15 to 20 mins for 10 mins. ::)

Gnads wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

cods wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01am: The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy. you didnt address the questions.. I havent heard of you complaining about smokers being witch hunted?? it could be called persecution the way they are treated these days.. they are even watched to see they don t smoke in their own cars.. That would be the most irrelevant comparison thrown into this thread. How about the persecution of non-smokers by smokers since forever? They had to sit in venues/areas & put up with that stench being blown in their faces/stinking up their clothes, making their eyes sore & breathing the second hand smoke crap, causing damage to their health ... with no recourse other than to get in a punch up if they objected. Smokers in the main are the most ignorant, arrogant & inconsiderate people around. Not to mention that they are one of our biggest contributors to our litter problems & drain on health resources. Smoking regulations are protection of non-smokers rights not to have to breath or be subject to the residue of someone elses personal habits & it's been long overdue.

Shut up you self righteous wind bag.

You get far more smoke from car exhausts every day.

Yeah all the cars in restaurants,theatres, pubs, clubs & other indoor or Alfresco venues..... you dolt.

More irrelevance DH.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 10:51pm: The bit where they are not actually criminals ... Incorrect. Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. You should get out more,

Are you channeling a parrot now Pecca?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Gnads wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:56am: cods wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:44am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 14th, 2013 at 6:01am: The whole situation is the same as the witch hunts of the Inquisition. It seems to me that society needs a scapegoat & the bikies are just that. We need people like that so we can point our fingers & say he's a  bad guy. you didnt address the questions.. I havent heard of you complaining about smokers being witch hunted?? it could be called persecution the way they are treated these days.. they are even watched to see they don t smoke in their own cars.. That would be the most irrelevant comparison thrown into this thread. How about the persecution of non-smokers by smokers since forever? They had to sit in venues/areas & put up with that stench being blown in their faces/stinking up their clothes, making their eyes sore & breathing the second hand smoke crap, causing damage to their health ... with no recourse other than to get in a punch up if they objected. Smokers in the main are the most ignorant, arrogant & inconsiderate people around. Not to mention that they are one of our biggest contributors to our litter problems & drain on health resources. Smoking regulations are protection of non-smokers rights not to have to breath or be subject to the residue of someone elses personal habits & it's been long overdue. Shut up you self righteous wind bag. You get far more smoke from car exhausts every day.

Refer to my quote :- "Smokers in the main are the most ignorant, arrogant & inconsiderate people around"

seems you fit the bill.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:17am:

I don't like them.  Don't hate 'em either. I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know they're not as scary, or as different as you think.  Well, that's my story, now it's your turn,  What happened?

I don't like them. 

I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know that they're scum. 

Well, that's my story.  Nothing happened.

Gnads wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 9:56am:

Smokers in the main are the most ignorant, arrogant & inconsiderate people around.

So true.

Things are getting better in Perth though:

"Smokers must butt out in Perth's malls"

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/smokers-must-butt-out-in-perths-malls-20131128-2ybxl.html

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 11:05am:

... wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:17am: I don't like them.  Don't hate 'em either. I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know they're not as scary, or as different as you think.  Well, that's my story, now it's your turn,  What happened? I don't like them.  I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know that they're scum.  Well, that's my story.  Nothing happened.

Yeah, but they're hardly alone on that.  There are days when I consider upwards of 90% of all people "scum".  In terms of criminal threat to the average man, clans of abos are two ten a hundred times worse than bikies. 

So it's not a matter of you being concerned for the public...nay, there's something personal driving this targetted vendetta.  Personal, arbitrary butthurt  isn't a good foundation for law.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 11:05am: ... wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 9:17am: I don't like them.  Don't hate 'em either. I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know they're not as scary, or as different as you think.  Well, that's my story, now it's your turn,  What happened? I don't like them.  I've got no ongoing relations with any of them, but I've met enough of them over the years to know that they're scum.  Well, that's my story.  Nothing happened. Yeah, but they're hardly alone on that.  There are days when I consider upwards of 90% of all people "scum".  In terms of criminal threat to the average man, clans of abos are two ten a hundred times worse than bikies.

Your naivety on these matters is quite surprising.

I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:41pm:

I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing.

Not just me.

Ask the police who arrest them.

The judges who sentence them.

The victims.

And not "for nothing".

Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

Its a tough one, sure its a government attack on freedom but its also an attack on scumbag bikies, its hard to pick a side, both are criminal gangs but only one sides activities are protected by the law.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:41pm: I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing. Not just me. Ask the police who arrest them. The judges who sentence them. The victims. And not "for nothing". Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

Who are the "victims" of them meeting up for a drink?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:41pm: I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing. Not just me. Ask the police who arrest them. The judges who sentence them. The victims. And not "for nothing". Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

Ah, Pecca is playing the parrot again. OK Pecca, let's dumb it down a bit. Please write sentences containing the following terms...

freedom of association
justice
collective punishment

... just so I can tell whether you understand what I mean when I ask you about them. There's no point me asking you the same questions over and over again if you don't understand English.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Please write sentences containing the following terms... freedom of association justice collective punishment

Not sure why you think I'm here to fulfill your requests.

Not sure why you condone criminal activity either.

Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

... wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:41pm: I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing. Not just me. Ask the police who arrest them. The judges who sentence them. The victims. And not "for nothing". Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. Who are the "victims" of them meeting up for a drink?

Society.

Oh - as a layman (what a bastard I am sometimes) - I also established that a police officer could not say that an accused was 'obviously intent on breaking/defying the law' - unless he/she could prove conspiracy.....

It seems Queensland has no trouble with such legal niceties.... just toss the Law books out the window and let The Guv rule as he/she likes on anyone.....

That TF is WHY 'Common Law' was brought in - so that the Law was the same for everyone (in theory at least) across the entire country.....

Same as on the subject of the arse-dumped ticket girl - unconstrained violence by the instruments of the State - including legislation that abrogates Law and is thus conspired violence against the community whilst in a position of servant (look it up - Scottish Law stipulates that theft as a servant caries double penalty) - is not acceptable - and must never become acceptable.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:13pm: Please write sentences containing the following terms... freedom of association justice collective punishment Not sure why you think I'm here to fulfill your requests. Not sure why you condone criminal activity either. Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals.

You are responding to my questions. You just don't seem to understand them. Do you know what they mean Pecca? If so, you seem remarkably reluctant to use them in a sentence. In fact I don't think you have uttered any of those terms once in this thread, despite plenty of questions about them directed to you. Is it unreasonable for people to try to figure out whether you can speak English?

freedom of association
justice
collective punishment

The only response you are capable of seems to be "... but ... but ... but ... they are self declared criminals!"

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

... they are self declared criminals!"

Something you seem to have trouble understanding.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:22pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:20pm: ... they are self declared criminals!" Something you seem to have trouble understanding.

Link me up, Scottie - no sign of a declaration of criminality here!

**Bikie at the Passport office:-

"And what is your occupation, Mr Rydah?"

"Self-declared Queensland criminal!"

"OK - give me a moment.. ..ummmm...we can list you under 'political dissident'.. or would you prefer 'aspiring politician'?"

"Well - I'm making a statement - let's use 'aspiring politician'.... I failed my brain surgery exam."

"Sorry to hear that... work harder next time.  Aspiring politician it is then... here's your pink rubber stamp!"

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:18pm:

... wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:41pm: I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing. Not just me. Ask the police who arrest them. The judges who sentence them. The victims. And not "for nothing". Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. Who are the "victims" of them meeting up for a drink? Society.

you mean IGNORANT society members who think there in danger by a group of bikies assembling together. Every person at that resurant at the Gold coast could have and should have left that night, then their wouldn't have been this public outcry fueled by the media with all the cell phone footage.

freediver wrote on Dec 15^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

freedom of association justice collective punishment ... just so I can tell whether you understand what I mean when I ask you about them. There's no point me asking you the same questions over and over again if you don't understand English.

You should add presumption of innocence.
(Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat )

I'd still like to see what happens when their day in court comes around.  I think there is more than meets the eye here, and what we read in the media is superficial. If they were just a family having a friendly drink together, why were they reported to police?

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:13pm: freedom of association justice collective punishment ... just so I can tell whether you understand what I mean when I ask you about them. There's no point me asking you the same questions over and over again if you don't understand English. You should add presumption of innocence. (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat ) I'd still like to see what happens when their day in court comes around.  I think there is more than meets the eye here, and what we read in the media is superficial. If they were just a family having a friendly drink together, why were they reported to police?

At this point we will allege there are a number of declared criminal motorcycle gang members who have associated together knowingly in a public place and committed an offence in regard to the legislation," he said.


so the police say they were known criminals..

so if you saw a group of men together and you knew they robbed houses as a career..

you FD would turn a blind eye as they were only in a group chatting...even though they happened to be in your street...OK..

you hold no fear and have faith in all human s.. thats great! :)

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:42am:

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:13pm: freedom of association justice collective punishment ... just so I can tell whether you understand what I mean when I ask you about them. There's no point me asking you the same questions over and over again if you don't understand English. You should add presumption of innocence. (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat ) I'd still like to see what happens when their day in court comes around.  I think there is more than meets the eye here, and what we read in the media is superficial. If they were just a family having a friendly drink together, why were they reported to police?

Fact is.....they were just having a drink together after work and three were truly 'family' + two friends.  It is not known that they were 'reported.'  The Yandina Hotel is a very regular watering hole, and the Cops may have just done a random audit of its camera footage.

cods wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:15am:

so the police say they were known criminals.. so if you saw a group of men together and you knew they robbed houses as a career.. you FD would turn a blind eye as they were only in a group chatting...even though they happened to be in your street...OK.. you hold no fear and have faith in all human s.. thats great!

Everyone who has been to prison is a known criminal.....

Does that mean they should not be free to have a drink with friends?

I'd be more worried about people that are actually committing crimes, rather than those that are minding their own business.

Aussie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:18am:

Fact is.....they were just having a drink together after work and three were truly 'family' + two friends.  It is not known that they were 'reported.'  The Yandina Hotel is a very regular watering hole, and the Cops may have just done a random audit of its camera footage.

You must have read a different account. In the one I read, it said that they were reported. It didn't say that they were family and two "friends" either.  It just said that the police did not confirm or deny that some were related.

More information here:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/yandina-five-rebels-bikies-may-spearhead-high-court-challenge-to-queensland-laws/story-fnihsrf2-1226781095919




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Three of the men, patched Rebels bikies Steven Smith, 28, and Paul Lansdowne, 57, as well as Smith's brother-in-law Joshua Carew, 30, were already facing charges including trafficking and production over an alleged methamphetamine ring.

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The trio are being held in the Brisbane watchhouse with Smith's brother Scott Conley, 36, and Dan Whale, 26, who were also at the Yandina pub on November 1.

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:18am: Fact is.....they were just having a drink together after work and three were truly 'family' + two friends.  It is not known that they were 'reported.'  The Yandina Hotel is a very regular watering hole, and the Cops may have just done a random audit of its camera footage. You must have read a different account. In the one I read, it said that they were reported. It didn't say that they were family and two "friends" either.  It just said that the police did not confirm or deny that some were related.

Aussie probably heard the details via the Cabbie Grapevine.  ;)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:15am: so the police say they were known criminals.. so if you saw a group of men together and you knew they robbed houses as a career.. you FD would turn a blind eye as they were only in a group chatting...even though they happened to be in your street...OK.. you hold no fear and have faith in all human s.. thats great! Everyone who has been to prison is a known criminal..... Does that mean they should not be free to have a drink with friends?

Nope.

It means they should not be free to have a drink with other known criminals who are members of the same organised-crime gang.

If they want to have a drink with a decent member of society, that's fine.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 6:37am:

[ Everyone who has been to prison is a known criminal..... Does that mean they should not be free to have a drink with friends? I'd be more worried about people that are actually committing crimes, rather than those that are minding their own business.

I have to laugh when i read posts like this. Of course criminals should be allowed to go about their business unhindered, what is wrong with solciety when it discriminates against criminals eh? How dare we clamp down on organised crime.  Soicoipaths are just misunderstood human beings and need a cuddle. This is the whole probloem with people like Pansi , they sleep safely in thier beds at night but have no idea how they are able to be safe, the rose coloured peace and love hippy glasses are permantly welded to thier heads.

warrigal wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:18pm: ... wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 2:00pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:53pm: freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2013 at 1:41pm: I notice Pecca still cannot bring himself to even mention words like freedom and justice. All he can do is parrot meaningless accusations and insist that because he thinks they are scum it is right to lock them up for nothing. Not just me. Ask the police who arrest them. The judges who sentence them. The victims. And not "for nothing". Bikies are self-proclaimed criminals. Who are the "victims" of them meeting up for a drink? Society. you mean IGNORANT society members who think there in danger by a group of bikies assembling together. Every person at that resurant at the Gold coast could have and should have left that night, then their wouldn't have been this public outcry fueled by the media with all the cell phone footage.

Now that goes close to being the most ignorant statement made in this thread. Actually it's more than ignorant ... it's stupid. Why should the general public have to get up & leave when anyone causes a fracas in a public place .... bikies or not? ::) And why should the restaurant by expected to lose customers?

muso wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:18am: Fact is.....they were just having a drink together after work and three were truly 'family' + two friends.  It is not known that they were 'reported.'  The Yandina Hotel is a very regular watering hole, and the Cops may have just done a random audit of its camera footage. You must have read a different account. In the one I read, it said that they were reported. It didn't say that they were family and two "friends" either.  It just said that the police did not confirm or deny that some were related. More information here: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/yandina-five-rebels-bikies-may-spearhead-high-court-challenge-to-queensland-laws/story-fnihsrf2-1226781095919 Quote: Three of the men, patched Rebels bikies Steven Smith, 28, and Paul Lansdowne, 57, as well as Smith's brother-in-law Joshua Carew, 30, were already facing charges including trafficking and production over an alleged methamphetamine ring. [quote]The trio are being held in the Brisbane watchhouse with Smith's brother Scott Conley, 36, and Dan Whale, 26, who were also at the Yandina pub on November 1.

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Here ya go Muso:

Click here.


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The other four are Steven Michael Smith, 28, of Yandina, his brother Scott Michael Conley, 36, of Yandina, long-time friend Dan Whale, 26, of Yandina, also known among his friends as Dan Black, and Paul Jeffery Lansdowne, 57, of Eerwah Vale. The men, who police allege are Rebel bikies or club associates, have been identified in CCTV footage as associating together in a public place on November 1 - a crime attracting a six-month jail term under the Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment (VLAD) laws.

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you FD would turn a blind eye as they were only in a group chatting...even though they happened to be in your street...OK..

Do you have a better plan? A father and son were arrested for having a drink together.


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you hold no fear and have faith in all human s.. thats great!

I have faith in justice, human rights and fundamental freedoms. I do not have faith in politicians declaring who are the bad guys so they can arrest them even if they have done nothing wrong. I would trust one of those bikies over Campbell Newman any day. None of them have taken my freedom. Campbell Newman has.


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This is the whole probloem with people like Pansi , they sleep safely in thier beds at night but have no idea how they are able to be safe, the rose coloured peace and love hippy glasses are permantly welded to thier heads.

We are able to sleep safely not because of cops putting bikies in jail, but because Australians have died trying to stop megalomaniacs like Campbell Newman who see justice as an inconvenience to be pushed aside for political gain. It is you who is naive. Your attention is so easily diverted away from the real issues, just like the Germans who so gullibly believed that the Jews were such a threat to their society that it warranted the bypassing of freedom and justice.

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

[quote] We are able to sleep safely not because of cops putting bikies in jail, but because Australians have died trying to stop megalomaniacs like Campbell Newman who see justice as an inconvenience to be pushed aside for political gain. It is you who is naive. Your attention is so easily diverted away from the real issues, just like the Germans who so gullibly believed that the Jews were such a threat to their society that it warranted the bypassing of freedom and justice.

nonsense, the more I read your posts the more I see an extremly naive person with little experince in the real world. You sleep safely because as Winston Churchill once said, rough men stand ready to visit violence on those whom would do you harm. No other reason.

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nonsense, the more I read your posts the more I see an extremly naive person with little experince in the real world. You sleep safely because as Winston Churchill once said, rough men stand ready to visit violence on those whom would do you harm. No other reason.

The bikies wish me no harm. Campbell Newman does. If you expect those who wish you harm to openly advertise it as they take your rights away, it is you who is naive.

ian wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 6:37am: [ Everyone who has been to prison is a known criminal..... Does that mean they should not be free to have a drink with friends? I'd be more worried about people that are actually committing crimes, rather than those that are minding their own business. I have to laugh when i read posts like this. Of course criminals should be allowed to go about their business unhindered, what is wrong with solciety when it discriminates against criminals eh? How dare we clamp down on organised crime.  Soicoipaths are just misunderstood human beings and need a cuddle. This is the whole probloem with people like Pansi , they sleep safely in thier beds at night but have no idea how they are able to be safe, the rose coloured peace and love hippy glasses are permantly welded to thier heads.

Criminals will be brought before the courts. If they are found guilty, they may go to prison, they do their time, they come out.......

then they are free to live like the rest of society

Ex criminals are not criminals, they are EX criminals.

I am able to be safe because we have laws and justice and courts, not because some power hungry midget man enforces his own style of wild west law.

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

A father and son were arrested for having a drink together.

A father and son who are members of an organised-crime gang.

Get 'em off the streets.

::)

You left out "self proclaimed" Pecca.

Just in case you want to practice your English a bit more, I have added a term for you:

freedom of association
justice
collective punishment
presumption of innocence

A father and son who are self-proclaimed members of an organised-crime gang.

Get 'em off the streets.  Now!

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:00pm:

presumption of innocence

Yep.

"The men have been charged ... and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday.

"Police will allege ...

"At this point we will allege ... "

They'll get their day in court, just like everybody else.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

A father and son who are self-proclaimed members of an organised-crime gang. Get 'em off the streets.

Yeas, they are (allegedly) Members of the local Sunshine Coast Rebels, many of whom I have had in my Cab.  Good blokes.  Polite, well behaved, and no sign of any anti social behaviour.

By way of %, I reckon there are more thieves and thugs among Cabbies than there are among Clubs like "Rebels" etc.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:08pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 8:00pm: presumption of innocence Yep. "The men have been charged ... and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday. "Police will allege ... "At this point we will allege ... " They'll get their day in court, just like everybody else.

Time for a lesson in English. Let's play, finish the sentence.

At this point we will allege ...

... that they talked to each other at a pub.

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 8:08pm: freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2013 at 8:00pm: presumption of innocence Yep. "The men have been charged ... and are due to face Maroochydore Magistrates Court on Tuesday. "Police will allege ... "At this point we will allege ... " They'll get their day in court, just like everybody else. Time for a lesson in English. Let's play, finish the sentence. At this point we will allege ... ... that they talked to each other at a pub.

"At this point we will allege there are a number of declared criminal motorcycle gang members who have associated together knowingly in a public place and committed an offence in regard to the legislation."

And they'll have their day in court, just like everybody else.

A day in court does not help you if the laws are unjust Pecca. Do you understand that it is the bikie laws that people are complaining about here?

freediver wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

A day in court does not help you if the laws are unjust Pecca.

Criminals have been saying that laws are "unjust" since forever.

What do you expect them to say?

Innocents going about their normal business and then being labeled 'criminals' (Created Criminals) through the abuse of law (not Law - it is plain that the 'bikie' laws do not adhere to Law) have been complaining about the slow pace of revolutions and of government thugs going to the wall for eons too...

"Gregarry - you are charged with consorting with three other Peccaries in contravention of the anti-peccary law of 1647 - as never amended - and are further charge with having illegal social intercourse with peccaries.....
how do you plead?"

  ;D ;D   :o :o   ;D ;D   ::) ::)   ;D ;D

"Oh - and you are further charged with the practice of philately with said peccaries".....

What it comes down to is this - Is it justified to make certain organisations illegal given a big enough problem?

For example in the USA, the Mafia is an illegal organisation.
In Northern Ireland, the Provisional IRA was (and probably still is) an illegal organisation.

At what stage is it justified?

The judge has the last say.

The courts will decide!

See what happens when you get the courts offside Nazi Newman....it backfires on YOU lol!!!!!

Thank goodness for common sense.

Prison too tough for bikies, says Supreme Court Judge Justice Peter Applegarth

A SUPREME Court Judge has labelled new jail measures for bikies "extremely harsh" and slashed time behind bars for three men to compensate.


In three separate contempt judgments, he ruled the men would normally be jailed for five to six months - but gave them four to six weeks instead.

Even the bikies' own lawyers initially did not dispute prosecution submissions that sentences of five to six months in jail were appropriate for the three men.

However Justice Applegarth ordered the parties to return with new submissions which took into account the Government's bikie policies.
"The harms of solitary confinement are evidenced in a large body of literature, including research dating back to the nineteenth century,'' Justice Applegarth found.

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/prison-too-tough-for-bikies-says-supreme-court-judge-justice-peter-applegarth/story-fnii5v6w-1226784475595