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http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.'

Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison....All it will cost is a bit of compassion???

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison....All it will cost is a bit of compassion??? >:( >:( >:(

I doubt you know the full story Phil.

Jesus....this mob of Liberals are a bunch of arseholes.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

Jesus....this mob of Liberals are a bunch of arseholes.

Suck my balls Crow!

Big Dave wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison....All it will cost is a bit of compassion??? >:( >:( >:( I doubt you know the full story Phil.

I agree. I can't see why Morrison would deny this, but I am hoping there is a very good, legitimate reason for it.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

Jesus....this mob of Liberals are a bunch of arseholes.

Adel, on the face of it, this decision seems to have no justification and appears mean-hearted. But the article is short on details and even the Labor Immigration spokesman seems to not know the full story. I suggest we all wait for the full details to be revealed before passing judgement.

'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.'

This statement leads me to think that there is more to this story than meets the eye.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

Jesus....this mob of Liberals are a bunch of arseholes.

These Lib (in name only) arseholes are fascists in fact!

They are about to sell you and me down the river with the FTA with South Korea and especially with the TPP!

Soon ASs won’t be the only ones in detention in PNG & Nauru! Mark my words!

It might be security reasons.

do YOU honestly think this women is alone?????.

I am sure she is not the only one suffering and in need of help..how about the hospital send over their surgeons..and maybe teach their medical fraternity how to fix bullet wounds. ::) ::)

I am sorry phil but I see too many of our own having to raise money to take a very sick child overseas for treatment..and that pizzzzes me off no end...let the Somali govt spend their money on the right things for their people instead of CONSTANT WAR.

I have no problem with all the children we bring here for treatment none at all... and I really dont begrudge this women either..

I would like to see this country helping itself instead of destroying it..

maybe I am being unfair..but I really do not believe she is the only one suffering over there...wheres the Un when you need them..

oh thats right organising climate change conferences.. ::) ::)

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 6:43pm: Jesus....this mob of Liberals are a bunch of arseholes. These Lib (in name only) arseholes are fascists in fact! They are about to sell you and me down the river with the FTA with South Korea and especially with the TPP! Soon ASs won’t be the only ones in detention in PNG & Nauru! Mark my words!

good! off you go and take miserytguts kat with you.. its obviously too tough for you here. >:(

whinge whinge whinge..anyone would thiunk they were closing all the pubs down.

Big Dave wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison....All it will cost is a bit of compassion??? >:( >:( >:( I doubt you know the full story Phil.

Your not wrong there Dave.....Morrison is not known for his ability to communicate with the plebs.....I cannot see any justification for his decision however if he has a reason it must be a good one!!!

:-? :-? :-?

performing surgery on 23 year old bullet wounds isn't exactly crucial.

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1299851079391242.jpeg

besides, aren't you lot always bitching about the state of our hospitals?  make up your mind.

So you'd begrudge this woman treatment for this disfigurement?

We CAN help, and we SHOULD.

What if it was someone YOU knew?

How would you like to be shot in the face, and have to walk around
like this, when someone COULD help but WON'T?

---

wesley hospital is having bad PR after killing a few with legionairres in the hot water system.  publicity stunt.

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

do YOU honestly think this women is alone?????. I am sure she is not the only one suffering and in need of help..how about the hospital send over their surgeons..and maybe teach their medical fraternity how to fix bullet wounds. ::) ::) I am sorry phil but I see too many of our own having to raise money to take a very sick child overseas for treatment..and that pizzzzes me off no end...let the Somali govt spend their money on the right things for their people instead of CONSTANT WAR. I have no problem with all the children we bring here for treatment none at all... and I really dont begrudge this women either.. I would like to see this country helping itself instead of destroying it.. maybe I am being unfair..but I really do not believe she is the only one suffering over there...wheres the Un when you need them.. oh thats right organising climate change conferences.. ::) ::)

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Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia.

You are correct when you say she is not the only one suffering and in need of help.....However help has been offered for this woman who has no other chance of ever getting treatment.....The only thing stopping her from getting treatment is a short term medical visa.....This is about compassion for a young woman who has been offered help but had it denied and I would like to know why???

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:28pm:

Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison....

She's not a white Christian.

I thought that was obvious.

There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery!

If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense.

A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care?

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery!

Um, yes there is.

She is not a white Christian Australian.

You do realise who's in Government now, don't you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! Um, yes there is. She is not a white Christian Australian. You do realise who's in Government now, don't you?

my white christain australian mate barry has farmed for 40 years with hardly a holiday and has waited 3 years already for a knee replacement , whilst continuing to pay taxes and work in 24 hour pain.  do him first rotary.

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:19pm:

So you'd begrudge this woman treatment for this disfigurement? We CAN help, and we SHOULD. What if it was someone YOU knew? How would you like to be shot in the face, and have to walk around like this, when someone COULD help but WON'T?

How does refusing this woman help that has been volunteered in any way reflect well on anyone.....I would be ashamed to support Scott Morrison on this issue???

>:( >:( >:(

We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882 - 1945)

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care?

Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!!


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Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time.

Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later?

Howard paid for some apes in Indonesia to be saved - surely this woman deserves a tad better?.

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:28pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! Um, yes there is. She is not a white Christian Australian. You do realise who's in Government now, don't you? my white christain australian mate barry has farmed for 40 years with hardly a holiday and has waited 3 years already for a knee replacement , whilst continuing to pay taxes and work in 24 hour pain.  do him first rotary.

A Christian, hey?

Looks like his God has let him down.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison.... She's not a white Christian. I thought that was obvious.

I am sad you might be correct!!!

:( :( :(

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 6:28pm: Quote: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=933175 Federal Labor has called on Immigration Minister Scott Morrison to reconsider a decision to deny a Somali woman a short-term visa that would allow her to undergo surgery for gunshot wounds. Ayaan Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Because the complicated facial reconstruction surgery she requires is not available in her homeland, Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia. But the government has refused to grant Ayaan a short-term medical visa. Opposition immigration spokesman Richard Marles said the Australian identity was one characterised by compassion. 'Mr Morrison, this decision makes no sense,' he said. 'It appears profoundly unfair and needs to be reconsidered.' Why would you refuse a short-term medical visa for this woman Mr Morrison.... She's not a white Christian. I thought that was obvious. I am sad you might be correct!!! :( :( :(

I'm 100% certain that I'm correct.

Sad, but true.

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:32pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:28pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! Um, yes there is. She is not a white Christian Australian. You do realise who's in Government now, don't you? my white christain australian mate barry has farmed for 40 years with hardly a holiday and has waited 3 years already for a knee replacement , whilst continuing to pay taxes and work in 24 hour pain.  do him first rotary. A Christian, hey? Looks like his God has let him down.

Does Barry have private health insurance?  If not, I am sure he can get a wheel chair from a salvos store.   Lions, Rotary and other Organisations are there to help the needy - Barry doesn't appear to meet that.  Tell him to sell the farm to some chinese and get all the surgery he needs.  That's the Lib way

Neferti wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later?

Why NOT?

Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason.

So what's your beef with helping her?

Is it because she's Muslim?

Or because she's Somalian?

Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying?

Vic wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:39pm:

Howard paid for some apes in Indonesia to be saved - surely this woman deserves a tad better?.

$500 000 I believe.....Good on him!!!

:) :) :)

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying?

If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?"

*Her problems are old. This is not an emergency.
*There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case.
*There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help?
*There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal?

On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world?

The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here?

Quantum wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here?

Miss this???

"Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia."


No-one is 'pushing-in' or 'queue-jumping.

Sorry, but I don't accept your reasoning at all.

Quantum wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:23pm:

Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here?

I fail to see how denying this woman treatment will help anyone.....Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not???

::) ::) ::)

When the judgement's weak,
The prejudice is strong.
Kane O'Hara

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:26pm:

Quantum wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:23pm: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here? Miss this??? "Brisbane's Wesley Hospital and Rotary had offered to bring her to Australia." No-one is 'pushing-in' or 'queue-jumping. Sorry, but I don't accept your reasoning at all.

So there is constantly a surgery room free at this hospital that is not used for anyone else? What do you think waiting list are for? If it is being used for her that means that it is not being used for someone else.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Quantum wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:23pm: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here? I fail to see how denying this woman treatment will help anyone.....Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not??? ::) ::) ::) When the judgement's weak, The prejudice is strong. Kane O'Hara

Another one who doesn't get it...

Do you honestly think that there is a surgery sitting at this hospital not being used for anything? If they are working on her they can not be working on anyone else.


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Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not???

We are seriously loosing our way when there are people like you in this country who think that an Australian has no more right to an Australian hospital than someone living on the other side of the world. FFS.

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying?

Maybe she was denied a visa due to something other than the purpose of the visit.  But nah - no 25 year old somalian female gunshot victim could have ever done anything bad.  Angels, every last one of them.  That's why somalia is world renowned for it's laid back, friendly pacifistic lifestyle. 

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Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :)

Oooops! Better tell Kat and adelcrow to ring in for the latest; that's if they've stopped frothing at the mouth.

salad in wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:29pm: Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :) Oooops! Better tell Kat and adelcrow to ring in for the latest; that's if they've stopped frothing at the mouth.

The decision is wrong no matter who made it.....Those from the right have already endorsed the decision to deny this woman surgery.....How will they react if Morrison alowes the surgery to go ahead???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

salad in wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:40am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:29pm: Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :) Oooops! Better tell Kat and adelcrow to ring in for the latest; that's if they've stopped frothing at the mouth. The decision is wrong no matter who made it.....Those from the right have already endorsed the decision to deny this woman surgery.....How will they react if Morrison alowes the surgery to go ahead??? :-? :-? :-?

What sort of response are they expecting, that I'd say 'Oh, it's Labor, no worries'?

Phil, you are correct, the decision is wrong no matter who made it.

I'd be calling Labor out on this the same as the Libs.

Wonder what the Right will make of that?

Kat wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying?

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 10:29pm:

Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

salad in wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:40am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:29pm: Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :) Oooops! Better tell Kat and adelcrow to ring in for the latest; that's if they've stopped frothing at the mouth. The decision is wrong no matter who made it.....Those from the right have already endorsed the decision to deny this woman surgery.....How will they react if Morrison alowes the surgery to go ahead??? :-? :-? :-?

I guess now we know???

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389357335

:) :) :)

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 10:07am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:56am: salad in wrote on Dec 12th, 2013 at 7:40am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 10:29pm: Quote: Mr Morrison later told parliament the initial decision to deny Ayaan a visa was made in March under the former Labor government. She made a second visa application in October but it is yet to be determined. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/australia-denies-somali-woman-surgery/story-fn3dxiwe-1226780814155 :) :) :) Oooops! Better tell Kat and adelcrow to ring in for the latest; that's if they've stopped frothing at the mouth. The decision is wrong no matter who made it.....Those from the right have already endorsed the decision to deny this woman surgery.....How will they react if Morrison alowes the surgery to go ahead??? :-? :-? :-? I guess now we know??? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1389357335 :) :) :)

Wow..the neo cons on here are two faced hypocrites..who would have guessed that  ;D

Quantum wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 9:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:27pm: Quantum wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:23pm: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here? I fail to see how denying this woman treatment will help anyone.....Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not??? ::) ::) ::) When the judgement's weak, The prejudice is strong. Kane O'Hara Another one who doesn't get it... Do you honestly think that there is a surgery sitting at this hospital not being used for anything? If they are working on her they can not be working on anyone else. [quote]Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not???

We are seriously loosing our way when there are people like you in this country who think that an Australian has no more right to an Australian hospital than someone living on the other side of the world. for goodness sake.[/quote]

Best you write to Scott Morrison and voice your disgust at his compassion.....What sort of conservative is he to help a black Somali woman when Aussies need it more....Let me know how you go!!!

8-) 8-) 8-)

cods wrote on Dec 11^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

do YOU honestly think this women is alone?????. I am sure she is not the only one suffering and in need of help..how about the hospital send over their surgeons..and maybe teach their medical fraternity how to fix bullet wounds. ::) ::) I am sorry phil but I see too many of our own having to raise money to take a very sick child overseas for treatment..and that pizzzzes me off no end...let the Somali govt spend their money on the right things for their people instead of CONSTANT WAR. I have no problem with all the children we bring here for treatment none at all... and I really dont begrudge this women either.. I would like to see this country helping itself instead of destroying it.. maybe I am being unfair..but I really do not believe she is the only one suffering over there...wheres the Un when you need them.. oh thats right organising climate change conferences.. ::) ::)

So when you thought Morrison had denied this woman a Visa you defended the decision because it was not our problem and we should help our own first.....What is your opinion now Morrison has granted this woman the help she needs.....Should he have sent the doctors to Somalia instead as you suggested or told the UN its their problem not ours.....Over to you Cods???

::) ::) ::)

Surely a huge penis reduction on the shoulders of greens-win and adelcrow is more of a priority than this women.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 10:35am:

Quantum wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:41pm: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:27pm: Quantum wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 9:23pm: Kat wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Neferti wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:36pm: St George of the Garden wrote on Dec 11th, 2013 at 7:26pm: There is no reason at all that woman can’t have surgery! If the fascists insist—they can declare the Somali woman’s hospital as excised from the Australian Migration Zone, or some such nonsense. A Somali woman denied needed surgery today, tomorrow—just who will be denied what medical care? Read the frigging post you are getting your panties in a bunch about, George!!! Quote: Mohamed, 25, had her face shattered by a bullet as her family tried to flee violence in Somalia's brutal civil war. She was two years old at the time. Yes, she needs attention but why 23 years later? Why NOT? Help was offered, and this maggot-ridden government refused, for no justifiable reason. So what's your beef with helping her? Is it because she's Muslim? Or because she's Somalian? Or do you have some warped idea that somehow YOU are paying? If she wasn't possibly a Muslim and a Somalian then many people on this thread wouldn't care. If it was some white Christian from Europe being flown over here for an operation many people who are crying on this thread would be screaming "why?" *Her problems are old. This is not an emergency. *There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case. *There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help? *There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal? On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world? The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here? I fail to see how denying this woman treatment will help anyone.....Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not??? ::) ::) ::) When the judgement's weak, The prejudice is strong. Kane O'Hara Another one who doesn't get it... Do you honestly think that there is a surgery sitting at this hospital not being used for anything? If they are working on her they can not be working on anyone else. [quote]Who are you to decide who is deserving and who is not??? We are seriously loosing our way when there are people like you in this country who think that an Australian has no more right to an Australian hospital than someone living on the other side of the world. for goodness sake.

Best you write to Scott Morrison and voice your disgust at his compassion.....What sort of conservative is he to help a black Somali woman when Aussies need it more....Let me know how you go!!!

8-) 8-) 8-)[/quote]

Can't be bothered. But he is an idiot who is caving into illogical external pressure. Our hospitals have massive waiting lists. We have people waiting at times years for operations because there is simply too much to be done. Now we are shipping in patients from the other side of the world who are a few hours flight from 1000's hospitals that could do the same thing. 

I stand by what I said before;

*Her problems are old. This is not an emergency.
*There is nothing special about this case. This hospital is not like one of three in the world that can do a special form of brain surgery, and only a hand full of people need the operation each year. This is not a special case.
*There are thousands of hospitals in Europe that are only hours away that could do this. Why does she need to fly half way around the world to get help?
*There are people in Australia waiting for more pressing operations, especially in QLD, that now has a waiting list that could probably stretch to Somalia in size 10 font. Why the hell should Australians have to wait to get access to an Australian hospital because a foreigner on the other side of the world wants surgery to look normal?

On the surface this may seem cruel, but all those other Australians are not just numbers. They to are real people in need. Why should these real people in real need be pushed aside to make way for someone on the other side of the world?

The issue isn't that she isn't important because she is from Somalia. The issue is what makes her more important than the people here?

This is the same kind of feel good about yourself story you see on TV; that sees people talking about how they did this massive and expensive operation to save a little pigs life, while they eat a bacon sandwich. Totally idiotic. 

Personally helping a lady with a destroyed face is a great thing. I'm just interested in why Labor knocked her back. Is she a security risk? Is she seeking a visa? Do we foot the bill for surgery and end up supporting her and her family as well while they move out here. I can sense some hemorrhaging hearts behind all this and other facts.