....you'll be raided!  WTF.

*Breaking news*

Hayseed spied, and Abbott wants to cover up!

at least give us a link ya dingbat..

Just came up.....

Click here.

It is all about the agreement reached between Hayseed and East Timor about gas in 2006.  It seems there are allegations that Hayseed bugged the East Timorese private rooms during the negotiations leading up to that agreement.............giving, of course, Hayseed a massive advantage.  The East Timorese are (rightly) staying that, in those circumstances, the eventual agreement is null and void.

Aussie wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Just came up..... Click here. It is all about the agreement reached between Hayseed and East Timor about gas in 2006.  It seems there are allegations that Hayseed bugged the East Timorese private rooms during the negotiations leading up to that agreement.............giving, of course, Hayseed a massive advantage.  The East Timorese are (rightly) staying that, in those circumstances, the eventual agreement is null and void.

and....there is litigation afoot in some International Court commenced by East Timor who have a Canberra Lawyer acting for them.


This evening, his Office and home were raided by ASIO on the (ultimate) orders of Abbott.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:42pm:

at least give us a link ya dingbat..

What a country Mr True Blue is proud of.  One of the poorest countries on earth and what do we Australians do; Cheat the poor people out of their mineral wealth.  Hope your very proud True Blue.  I'm sure you are.   That's what the diggers fought fr at Gallipoli

From this thread:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1385928352/60#60



Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:06pm:

Latest news: Tony is raiding legal offices & using thuggery against a lawyer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/asio-raided-lawyer-representing-east-timor-in-spying-case/5132486 Quote: Claims ASIO raided office of lawyer representing East Timor in spying case. A lawyer representing East Timor in its spying case against Australia says his office has been raided by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). Bernard Collaery says two agents seized electronic and paper files this afternoon from his law practice in Canberra. He says the agents identified themselves as working for ASIO, and would not show his employees the search warrant because it related to national security. East Timor has accused the Australia Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) of covertly recording Timorese ministers and officials during oil-and-gas negotiations in Dili in 2004. read more at link above.

Like the lawyer said

Australia never used to be like this

Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it'

Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia.

Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm.

I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency.

Old Australia back you say, Like a White Australia, when we had unity, Limited immigration.. A country were it was safe to leave the house door unlocked.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:14am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:45am: Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency. Old Australia back you say, Like a White Australia, when we had unity, Limited immigration.. A country were it was safe to leave the house door unlocked.

I didn't say racist Australia.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:34am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:14am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:45am: Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency. Old Australia back you say, Like a White Australia, when we had unity, Limited immigration.. A country were it was safe to leave the house door unlocked. I didn't say racist Australia.

So you have a problem with white people?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency.

Yes Pansi - not even lawyers are safe from the Govt:

Interference in legal cases.

Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this?

The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested.

News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence.

I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence.

It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong!

I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:09am:

Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence.

What is of greater importance is the separation of powers.
Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients
& the law should be separated from Govt.

ASIO must have acted illegally.

I hope we get a high court ruling on this case.

I remember Downer at the time going around saying how he wasn't about to compromise Australia's national interest for East Timor.  Turns out the "national interest" was the interests of Woodside (Australia - which has a 33% share in the project) along with its international joint venture partners ConocoPhillips (USA, 30%), Royal Dutch Shell (UK/Netherlands, 27%) and Osaka Gas (Japan, 10%). That's what the "national interest" is now days and that's who ASIS was really working for when they were bugging the ET cabinet.  How much did Downer know?  He must have known it was going on and probably authorised it. 

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case.

A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know someone was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;)

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:22pm:

True Blue... wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 7:42pm: at least give us a link ya dingbat.. What a country Mr True Blue is proud of.  One of the poorest countries on earth and what do we Australians do; Cheat the poor people out of their mineral wealth.  Hope your very proud True Blue.  I'm sure you are.   That's what the diggers fought fr at Gallipoli

It's all so Greed Incorporated can have even more :(

2006???????

Hang On, I'm sure we only spy under Labor & John Howard was East Timor's best friend?

At least that's what I've been told by numerous Abbott supporters here over the past few weeks.


Here's an idea/conspiracy for you.

Howard only supported independence for East Timor so he could get his hands on the oil & gas.

Had Indonesia still been in power imagine how much more difficult it would have been to steal these assets.

In fact it could have started a war, so much for doing the "Right" thing as people like to think was done.

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know some was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;)

What assumptions?

Since when does one side in a court case get to smash in a law office & take all the records?

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:39am:

I remember Downer at the time going around saying how he wasn't about to compromise Australia's national interest for East Timor.  Turns out the "national interest" was the interests of Woodside (Australia - which has a 33% share in the project) along with its international joint venture partners ConocoPhillips (USA, 30%), Royal Dutch Shell (UK/Netherlands, 27%) and Osaka Gas (Japan, 10%). That's what the "national interest" is now days and that's who ASIS was really working for when they were bugging the ET cabinet.  How much did Downer know?  He must have known it was going on and probably authorised it.

And I remember watching 4 corners about how they wouldn't process the oil and gas on shore of Timor just so they didn't have to pay royalties and tax to the Timorese government. Timor got shafted from the deal didn't they what :(

Alexandria Dooner is in this up to his neck !!

Yes Nail,
East Timor has been shafted.

We only helped them to get all that oil & gas.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:06am:

Yes Nail, East Timor has been shafted. We only helped them to get all that oil & gas.

theft is a more appropriate word :(

Scott Ludlam  - Greens - on ABC 24 now.

He says the raids need to be tested in court.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:25am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case.

Yes they did Bobby.

That's why it's going before an international court.

They know they are guilty as charged that's why the key witness is being held and has had his passport revoked.

This is all about Alexander Downer, his mates are leading the charge to protect him, all roads lead back to Downer, the grubbiest politician that has ever existed.

The story is headlines in the Guardian.....you'll have to look a bit harder to find it in the Murdoch press.

Timor-Leste spy case: 'witness held, and lawyer's office raided by ASIO'

reader comments:

BillR2 Spying Bad Things
03 December 2013 11:32am

There is absolutely no doubt that we thoroughly did East Timor over in the oil and gas negotiations.
Downer even moved the East Timor's boundaries to Australia's huge advantage by arguing that the deep oceanic trench which happened to run much closer to East Timor than their normal boundaries should be split down the middle, giving all the advantage to Australia.
The effete little prick was proud about how he'd done it. Still would be.

Longerenong
03 December 2013 9:58am


Just when I thought it could not get worse.
And why is this Prime Minister shacking up at Australian Federal Police headquarters.
We have seen he will stop at nothing to get his own way. We have known for a long time he has no respect for the letter of the law. Now it seems he is happy to break the law itself.
If Abbott has indeed has caused people to brake the law he needs to be at least questioned by the relevant authorities. But he is in cahoots with the AFP.
Dangerous times.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/timor-leste-spy-witness-held-lawyers-office-raided-asio#start-of-comments

Yes Pansi - Abbott has abused his powers.

Abbott must be jailed.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. Yes they did Bobby. That's why it's going before an international court. They know they are guilty as charged that's why the key witness is being held and has had his passport revoked. This is all about Alexander Downer, his mates are leading the charge to protect him, all roads lead back to Downer, the grubbiest politician that has ever existed. The story is headlines in the Guardian.....you'll have to look a bit harder to find it in the Murdoch press. Timor-Leste spy case: 'witness held, and lawyer's office raided by ASIO' reader comments: BillR2 Spying Bad Things 03 December 2013 11:32am There is absolutely no doubt that we thoroughly did East Timor over in the oil and gas negotiations. Downer even moved the East Timor's boundaries to Australia's huge advantage by arguing that the deep oceanic trench which happened to run much closer to East Timor than their normal boundaries should be split down the middle, giving all the advantage to Australia. The effete little prick was proud about how he'd done it. Still would be. Longerenong 03 December 2013 9:58am Just when I thought it could not get worse. And why is this Prime Minister shacking up at Australian Federal Police headquarters. We have seen he will stop at nothing to get his own way. We have known for a long time he has no respect for the letter of the law. Now it seems he is happy to break the law itself. If Abbott has indeed has caused people to brake the law he needs to be at least questioned by the relevant authorities. But he is in cahoots with the AFP. Dangerous times. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/timor-leste-spy-witness-held-lawyers-office-raided-asio#start-of-comments

Alexandria Dooner the one that didn't read the 37 emails warning him about the AWB wheat scandal affair. Lets see him worm his way out of this one ;) 

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/04/11/downer_1204_wideweb__470x228,0.jpg

Hi Nail,
good point - I hope we get all the dirt on Downer.   ;D

The latest from the ABC:




Quote:

Attorney-General George Brandis has confirmed he approved the warrants to conduct the raid, but denied it was done to affect the arbitration at The Hague. The Greens slammed the Government this morning. "This is a very disturbing allegation and if it's true, it seems that George Brandis seems to think he's J Edgar Hoover and is able to throw warrants around like confetti," deputy leader Adam Bandt said. "There needs to be a full explanation from our Attorney-General."

read much more:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/asio-arrests-key-witness-in-east-timor-spying-scandal/5132954

thanks Bobby

I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify.

Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness. 

There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be.

Downer is going down!

No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly.

Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

thanks Bobby I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify. Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness.  There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be. Downer is going down! No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly. Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents.

Yes Pansi,
The fascism has started so quickly under Abbott.
Lawyers offices & confidential information was once considered sacred.

They can just kick down a lawyers door & do whatever they like.

Wait till the high court hears about this.


I want to see Abbott in jail with cell mates like Chopper.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:50pm: thanks Bobby I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify. Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness.  There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be. Downer is going down! No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly. Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents. Yes Pansi, The fascism has started so quickly under Abbott. Lawyers offices & confidential information was once considered sacred. They can just kick down a lawyers door & do whatever they like. Wait till the high court hears about this. I want to see Abbott in jail with cell mates like Chopper.

Chopper has gone Bobby.

I'd like to see a few others join Abbott in jail, not least of all war criminal Howard.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:58pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:50pm: thanks Bobby I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify. Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness.  There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be. Downer is going down! No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly. Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents. Yes Pansi, The fascism has started so quickly under Abbott. Lawyers offices & confidential information was once considered sacred. They can just kick down a lawyers door & do whatever they like. Wait till the high court hears about this. I want to see Abbott in jail with cell mates like Chopper. Chopper has gone Bobby. I'd like to see a few others join Abbott in jail, not least of all war criminal Howard.

:D :D You really are a nasty old slapper aren't you

;D ;D ;D ;D

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

You really are a nasty old slapper aren't you

I'm the messenger, if the news is bad....tough for you.

You do the crime....you do the time.

He broke the UN Charter of which he is a signatory.

Guilty as charged.

If it makes you feel any better little Johnnie can share a cell with George W and Tony Blair.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 2:55pm: You really are a nasty old slapper aren't you I'm the messenger, if the news is bad....tough for you. You do the crime....you do the time. He broke the UN Charter of which he is a signatory. Guilty as charged. If it makes you feel any better little Johnnie can share a cell with George W and Tony Blair.

;D There's a difference between a messenger and a raving rat bag   ;)

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:58pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 12:50pm: thanks Bobby I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify. Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness.  There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be. Downer is going down! No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly. Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents. Yes Pansi, The fascism has started so quickly under Abbott. Lawyers offices & confidential information was once considered sacred. They can just kick down a lawyers door & do whatever they like. Wait till the high court hears about this. I want to see Abbott in jail with cell mates like Chopper. Chopper has gone Bobby. I'd like to see a few others join Abbott in jail, not least of all war criminal Howard.

A court will decide as no one is above the law.

Charge - obstructing justice.

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

thanks Bobby I wonder what the international tribunal at the Hague will make of Abbott when the prime witness is called and the lawyer has to say he's not available sir, he's being held by the Australian government so that he can't testify. Like the lawyer said, he still has the evidence, just not the eye witness.  There will be an inquiry into this, there has to be. Downer is going down! No wonder Hockey needs the extra money, this will be costly. Abbott can't take a trick, this coming out at the same time as the other spying incidents.

Can't they present the witness and evidence over skype etc without having to leave the country ?

Don't get a woody over it.

Time for a trial?

"More than ten years have passed since the US-led invasion of Iraq. Yet, many in the Australian public say their country has not been held accountable for the war crimes it was led into by its former prime minister John Howard".

Time for a trial.

And who got a good job after all this happened?




Quote:

Woodside Petroleum, which wanted to exploit the field, was working hand in glove with the Australian government and senior ministers to score the best possible deal. Mr Collaery says the details in the allegations have not been made public until now. "The director-general of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service and his deputy instructed a team of ASIS technicians to travel to East Timor in an elaborate plan, using Australian aid programs relating to the renovation and construction of the cabinet offices in Dili, East Timor, to insert listening devices into the wall, of walls to be constructed under an Australian aid program," he told the ABC. Star witness has passport cancelled Mr Collaery says a star witness who ASIO questioned last night was "not some disaffected spy" but the former director of all technical operations at ASIS. He says the former ASIS operator decided to blow the whistle after learning Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. In a statement to the ABC, Mr Downer says the allegations are old and he will not comment on matters regarding national security

Read more of the juicy story here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/asio-arrests-key-witness-in-east-timor-spying-scandal/5132954

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

And who got a good job after all this happened? Quote: Woodside Petroleum, which wanted to exploit the field, was working hand in glove with the Australian government and senior ministers to score the best possible deal. Mr Collaery says the details in the allegations have not been made public until now. "The director-general of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service and his deputy instructed a team of ASIS technicians to travel to East Timor in an elaborate plan, using Australian aid programs relating to the renovation and construction of the cabinet offices in Dili, East Timor, to insert listening devices into the wall, of walls to be constructed under an Australian aid program," he told the ABC. Star witness has passport cancelled Mr Collaery says a star witness who ASIO questioned last night was "not some disaffected spy" but the former director of all technical operations at ASIS. He says the former ASIS operator decided to blow the whistle after learning Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. In a statement to the ABC, Mr Downer says the allegations are old and he will not comment on matters regarding national security Read more of the juicy story here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/asio-arrests-key-witness-in-east-timor-spying-scandal/5132954

the older the better dooner. And how much has dooner profitted from this sordid affair ?

And see how all of the dirty libbos jump into help cover up the dirty dealings of their mates.

And this brandis prick is a sanctimonious piece of sh.t. The worst kind in my opinion. He needs the rough end of a pineapple shoved up his arse.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:17pm: And who got a good job after all this happened? Quote: Woodside Petroleum, which wanted to exploit the field, was working hand in glove with the Australian government and senior ministers to score the best possible deal. Mr Collaery says the details in the allegations have not been made public until now. "The director-general of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service and his deputy instructed a team of ASIS technicians to travel to East Timor in an elaborate plan, using Australian aid programs relating to the renovation and construction of the cabinet offices in Dili, East Timor, to insert listening devices into the wall, of walls to be constructed under an Australian aid program," he told the ABC. Star witness has passport cancelled Mr Collaery says a star witness who ASIO questioned last night was "not some disaffected spy" but the former director of all technical operations at ASIS. He says the former ASIS operator decided to blow the whistle after learning Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. In a statement to the ABC, Mr Downer says the allegations are old and he will not comment on matters regarding national security Read more of the juicy story here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/asio-arrests-key-witness-in-east-timor-spying-scandal/5132954 the older the better dooner. And how much has dooner profitted from this sordid affair ? And see how all of the dirty libbos jump into help cover up the dirty dealings of their mates. And this brandis prick is a sanctimonious piece of sh.t. The worst kind in my opinion. He needs the rough end of a pineapple shoved up his arse.

Brandis signed the warrants to obstruct justice.
Downer got a job out of it.
The spying was illegal.

What a scandal.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

Can't they present the witness and evidence over skype etc without having to leave the country ?

The NSA own Skype, it will drop out the second they connect. That's why pollies fly around the world to meet face to face, for security reasons.

Anyway, I think he's still being held. Did you hear about prisoner X in Israel?
They might be water boarding him until he remembers nothing.

Maybe they are trying to set him up with a very high paying position in the Liberal Party.

See Bishop is heading back to Jakarta try and fix things up. Doesn't she know they detest white women and Aussies, they will eat her alive, she is the silliest woman on the face of the earth.

looks like the libbos have a snow flakes chance in hell of stopping the cat getting out of the bag ;D :D :D


Quote:

However, he says he also has the evidence with him in The Hague and the raid will do "very little" to hinder East Timor's case. "The evidence is here. I can't see what the Government hopes to achieve by this aggressive action," he said. "It can attempt to nullify the whistleblower's evidence, but that evidence has flown - the evidence is here, it's abroad, it's ready."

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:04pm: Can't they present the witness and evidence over skype etc without having to leave the country ? The NSA own Skype, it will drop out the second they connect. That's why pollies fly around the world to meet face to face, for security reasons. Anyway, I think he's still being held. Did you hear about prisoner X in Israel? They might be water boarding him until he remembers nothing. Maybe they are trying to set him up with a very high paying position in the Liberal Party. See Bishop is heading back to Jakarta try and fix things up. Doesn't she know they detest white women and Aussies, they will eat her alive, she is the silliest woman on the face of the earth.

she thinks she can stare them out with her silly school teacher squint. ;D :D

East Timor can get buggered, ungrateful front bottoms, they've done nothing but whinge about us ever since we liberated them, give East Timor back to Indonesia so they can resume the genocide.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:46pm:

East Timor can get buggered, ungrateful front bottoms, they've done nothing but whinge about us ever since we liberated them, give East Timor back to Indonesia so they can resume the genocide.

wouldn't you be whinging if you were done out of 40 billion dollars worth of oil and gas ?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency.

WHAT THE...????

WE all know you are stupid but I think you just set new levels for stupidity.  Perhaps when Greens supporters are dragged away by the secret police in the dead of night and Asians are sent to death camps you might have a point. Up until then you just sound like you are in need of a brain transplant.  Even SOB's brain would be an improvement!

Ah... East Timor... an indonesian-conquered lawless hell-hole one day and a safe democratic haven the next.  To date, I don't recall any thanks for the liberation, the welfare and the lives lost getting them their country back.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:55am:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:45am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know some was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;) What assumptions? Since when does one side in a court case get to smash in a law office & take all the records?

er...

ALL THE TIME!  never heard of search warnants ya clown?

Longweekend ignores:

Brandis signed the warrants to obstruct justice.
Downer got a job out of it.
The spying was illegal.

What a scandal.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:55am: woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:45am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know some was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;) What assumptions? Since when does one side in a court case get to smash in a law office & take all the records? er... ALL THE TIME!  never heard of search warnants ya clown?

Just one example will do please.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:45am: Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency. WHAT THE...???? WE all know you are stupid but I think you just set new levels for stupidity.  Perhaps when Greens supporters are dragged away by the secret police in the dead of night and Asians are sent to death camps you might have a point. Up until then you just sound like you are in need of a brain transplant.  Even SOB's brain would be an improvement!

so raiding a private premises is not what the Stasi used to do in east germany ?

What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor.

Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not.

I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:59pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:45am: Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency. WHAT THE...???? WE all know you are stupid but I think you just set new levels for stupidity.  Perhaps when Greens supporters are dragged away by the secret police in the dead of night and Asians are sent to death camps you might have a point. Up until then you just sound like you are in need of a brain transplant.  Even SOB's brain would be an improvement! so raiding a private premises is not what the Stasi used to do in east germany ?

Yes Nail,
Australia is sounding  like some 3rd world corrupt country
where the spy services do the bidding of big business
& the politicians get jobs out of abusing their power.


The courts must bring them to justice.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:46pm: East Timor can get buggered, ungrateful front bottoms, they've done nothing but whinge about us ever since we liberated them, give East Timor back to Indonesia so they can resume the genocide. wouldn't you be whinging if you were done out of 40 billion dollars worth of oil and gas ?

They were whinging well before that, and don't do the tired old leftist "I hate my own country" trick and jack up their complaint out of all proportion in order to make your country look even worse.

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:07pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:46pm: East Timor can get buggered, ungrateful front bottoms, they've done nothing but whinge about us ever since we liberated them, give East Timor back to Indonesia so they can resume the genocide. wouldn't you be whinging if you were done out of 40 billion dollars worth of oil and gas ? They were whinging well before that, and don't do the tired old leftist "I hate my own country" trick and jack up their complaint out of all proportion in order to make your country look even worse.

This is not about East Timor winging - it's about our 3rd world spy service.

This is about Alexander Downer as Foreign Minister using a govt agency to spy on East Timor to benefit a private business..Woodside..a business that he now works for.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia.

Why did they stop an Australian leaving today, a witness who was to give evidence against the Government position concerning the East Timor agreement?  Sheer coincidence was it?  Brandis made no reference to that.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

This is about Alexander Downer as Foreign Minister using a govt agency to spy on East Timor to benefit a private business..Woodside..a business that he now works for.

It sure is & as I said it sounds like something from a 3rd world country -
you'd expect that to happen in Somalia not Australia.

Aussie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:00pm: What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia. Why did they stop an Australian leaving today, a witness who was to give evidence against the Government position concerning the East Timor agreement?  Sheer coincidence was it?  Brandis made no reference to that.

Were you at the ASIO meeting ?

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:30pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:00pm: What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia. Why did they stop an Australian leaving today, a witness who was to give evidence against the Government position concerning the East Timor agreement?  Sheer coincidence was it?  Brandis made no reference to that. Were you at the ASIO meeting ?

Of course not.  But, while Brandis can, without public challenge, rabbit on about national interest needing protection as a justification for raiding the law office of the lawyer representing East Timor, it is another thing altogether why they prevented an Australian citizen's right to freely come and go, out and in to the Country.

Habeas Corpus.

Aussie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:33pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:30pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:00pm: What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia. Why did they stop an Australian leaving today, a witness who was to give evidence against the Government position concerning the East Timor agreement?  Sheer coincidence was it?  Brandis made no reference to that. Were you at the ASIO meeting ? Of course not.  But, while Brandis can, without public challenge, rabbit on about national interest needing protection as a justification for raiding the law office of the lawyer representing East Timor, it is another thing altogether why they prevented an Australian citizen's right to freely come and go, out and in to the Country. Habeas Corpus.

So your only guessing !   ;)

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:37pm: woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:33pm: Aussie wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:30pm: longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:00pm: What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia. Why did they stop an Australian leaving today, a witness who was to give evidence against the Government position concerning the East Timor agreement?  Sheer coincidence was it?  Brandis made no reference to that. Were you at the ASIO meeting ? Of course not.  But, while Brandis can, without public challenge, rabbit on about national interest needing protection as a justification for raiding the law office of the lawyer representing East Timor, it is another thing altogether why they prevented an Australian citizen's right to freely come and go, out and in to the Country. Habeas Corpus. So your only guessing !   ;)

No I am not.  I saw Brandis address The Senate and he made zero reference to the fact that this witness,  an Australian citizen with the highest security clearance, was prevented from leaving the Country.

There are two separate issues:

1.  The raids on the legal office and  home, and
2.  Preventing that witness leaving the Country.


Quote:

Star witness has passport cancelled Mr Collaery says a star witness who ASIO questioned last night was "not some disaffected spy" but the former director of all technical operations at ASIS. He says the former ASIS operator decided to blow the whistle after learning Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. Video: Former spy's lawyer accuses Government of intimidation (ABC News) In a statement to the ABC, Mr Downer says the allegations are old and he will not comment on matters regarding national security. The whistleblower's affidavit is understood to refer to the alleged 2004 bugging operation as "immoral and wrong" because it served not the national interest, but the interests of big oil and gas. Mr Collaery says ASIS's alleged spying amounts to "insider trading". "If this had happened in Bridge Street, Collins Street, Wall Street, people would go to jail," he told Lateline. Mr Collaery has accused the Government and ASIO of being "crass" by "muzzling the oral evidence of the prime witness". "What do you think the tribunal [at The Hague] is going to think of it?" he told Lateline.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:17pm:

And who got a good job after all this happened? Quote: Woodside Petroleum, which wanted to exploit the field, was working hand in glove with the Australian government and senior ministers to score the best possible deal. Mr Collaery says the details in the allegations have not been made public until now. "The director-general of the Australian Secret Intelligence Service and his deputy instructed a team of ASIS technicians to travel to East Timor in an elaborate plan, using Australian aid programs relating to the renovation and construction of the cabinet offices in Dili, East Timor, to insert listening devices into the wall, of walls to be constructed under an Australian aid program," he told the ABC. Star witness has passport cancelled Mr Collaery says a star witness who ASIO questioned last night was "not some disaffected spy" but the former director of all technical operations at ASIS. He says the former ASIS operator decided to blow the whistle after learning Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. In a statement to the ABC, Mr Downer says the allegations are old and he will not comment on matters regarding national security Read more of the juicy story here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/asio-arrests-key-witness-in-east-timor-spying-scandal/5132954

This must be the story of the year.
Downer is up to his neck in it.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

What some of you are missing is that both Labor and Libs have been briefed by ASIO into the details of this case and in the senate, Labor voted AGAINST forcing Brandis to answer questions.  So what does that tell you?  Labor, which has scarcely voted with the govt since losing office, has sided with the govt on an issue that could only embarrass the govt - not Labor. Clearly they know something that the rest of us do not. I do find it disturbing and amusing that Labor criticises spying on timor but has no problem with spying by itself on Indonesia.

well the greens don't agree with labor so you can put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know someone was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;)

You must be retarded if you see nothing wrong with what has happened.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Ah... East Timor... an indonesian-conquered lawless hell-hole one day and a safe democratic haven the next.  To date, I don't recall any thanks for the liberation, the welfare and the lives lost getting them their country back.

Yeah right. And Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs is a true story.  Grow up.  Downer and his corporate cronies cheated one of the worlds poorest nations of $40 billion and not only are you not sorry, you expect gratitude.   Go jump in the lake   

Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum

in his years after politics.

smell the fear.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear.

What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.   

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear. What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.

I bet Downer wiggles his way out of this one.

Nothing happened after the wheat scandal.
There were no witnesses. 

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 5:45am: Like the lawyer said Australia never used to be like this Another thing he said is that 'this won't be the end of it' Fascist Germany's got nothing on Abbott's Australia. Can Tony give us just one day when he doesn't cause a domestic or international sh1t storm. I want my old Australia back, the one where we had some form of decency. WHAT THE...???? WE all know you are stupid but I think you just set new levels for stupidity.  Perhaps when Greens supporters are dragged away by the secret police in the dead of night and Asians are sent to death camps you might have a point. Up until then you just sound like you are in need of a brain transplant.  Even SOB's brain would be an improvement!

Perhaps when Greens supporters are dragged away by the secret police

He got dragged away by ASIO.

Asians are sent to death camps

sent to rape camps in Nauru and PNG

Were getting there, just one little toothbrush mustache away.

Rape camps in Nauru ... sh#t we could kill two birds with one stone here and send all our gays there to get married  ;D

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear. What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.

Downer is on the board of directors, he would be doing deals with his Lib mates and the company.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:51pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear. What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.    Downer is on the board of directors, he would be doing deals with his Lib mates and the company.

Downer is paid as an advisor to a Woodside Lobbyist.

That's a nice piece of the pie - regular money & all legal.   ;)

The dodgy use of a government agency if ever there was one...Downer needs to be investigated.

adelcrow wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

The dodgy use of a government agency if ever there was one...Downer needs to be investigated.

But it's nice work if you can get it.

I'd be happy with Downer's job.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp4p7IzVbfc

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear. What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.

how to grease the palm of the hand ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 5:59pm:

woody2014 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:45am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:25am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 9:09am: Have you ever seen an admission of guilt quite like this? The ex ASIO bloke that should be flying to the Hague to give evidence has been arrested. News just in....they've cancelled his passport, so he can't go and give evidence. I hope the Hague courts will set up a video link so he can give evidence. It's wrong for a wealthy nation to steal from its poor neighbour, just so wrong! I hope East Timor win the case, in spite of Abbott sabotaging the evidence. What is of greater importance is the separation of powers. Lawyers are supposed to have privileged communication with clients & the law should be separated from Govt. ASIO must have acted illegally. I hope we get a high court ruling on this case. A hell of assumptions. You clowns wouldn't know someone was upya till they pulled out and the wind rushed in   ;) ;) You must be retarded if you see nothing wrong with what has happened.

Retarded? Good God no.

More borderline subnormal, I’d say.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Ah... East Timor... an indonesian-conquered lawless hell-hole one day and a safe democratic haven the next.  To date, I don't recall any thanks for the liberation, the welfare and the lives lost getting them their country back.

Exactly. The stupid little blacks should be thanking us, not insulting us. Who do they think they are?

I do hope Woodside is an Australian -owned company. At least Mr Downer could then be seen as a patriot, don’t you think?

The latest news about our secret police:


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/2/1385970740135/6c015358-c1cf-46d6-a1e4-9fbc8cf3c770-460x276.jpeg

Australia's attorney general, George Brandis, has confirmed that the warrants targeted lawyer Bernard Collaery. Photograph: Daniel Munoz/AAP


Quote:

Australia's secret service raids lawyer and ex-spy set to testify at The Hague Australia bugged East Timorese cabinet before oil and gas revenue-sharing negotiations, pair prepare to claim.

Read much more:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/australia-secret-service-raids-lawyer-and-former-spy

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:12pm: Mr Downer had become an adviser to Woodside Petroleum in his years after politics. smell the fear. What's Downer advising Woodside on.  Is he telling them where to dig.  "Dig here. No dig here. No better still dig here". What cr@p. Even a preschooler can see through that BU11Sh!t.    I bet Downer wiggles his way out of this one. Nothing happened after the wheat scandal. There were no witnesses.

but there is this time and they are doing their best to muzzle him ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 8:52pm:

The latest news about our secret police: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/2/1385970740135/6c015358-c1cf-46d6-a1e4-9fbc8cf3c770-460x276.jpeg Australia's attorney general, George Brandis, has confirmed that the warrants targeted lawyer Bernard Collaery. Photograph: Daniel Munoz/AAP Quote: Australia's secret service raids lawyer and ex-spy set to testify at The Hague Australia bugged East Timorese cabinet before oil and gas revenue-sharing negotiations, pair prepare to claim. Read much more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/australia-secret-service-raids-lawyer-and-former-spy

this prick is a self righteous nasty piece of work. How did people vote for it I will never know.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 8:52pm: The latest news about our secret police: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/2/1385970740135/6c015358-c1cf-46d6-a1e4-9fbc8cf3c770-460x276.jpeg Australia's attorney general, George Brandis, has confirmed that the warrants targeted lawyer Bernard Collaery. Photograph: Daniel Munoz/AAP Quote: Australia's secret service raids lawyer and ex-spy set to testify at The Hague Australia bugged East Timorese cabinet before oil and gas revenue-sharing negotiations, pair prepare to claim. Read much more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/australia-secret-service-raids-lawyer-and-former-spy this prick is a self righteous nasty piece of work. How did people vote for it I will never know.

He even looks a bit like J Edgar Hoover.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4JjyQsYUTRc/TbY4HzYyq9I/AAAAAAAAAB8/me8Hzou9vo0/s1600/j_edgar_hoover1.jpg

The Attorney General will have to come clean and admit the lawyers office was raided to obtain evidence to protect Downer and the Liberal Party.

I wonder if the lawyers at the hearing in the Hague will be "deeply disappointed" when they hear about this stealing of the key evidence and arrest of the key witness by government agencies?


Timor-Leste’s ambassador to Australia said his country was “deeply disappointed” Australian intelligence agencies had resorted to raids against the tiny nation’s lawyer and star witness in the international hearing of spying allegations and thought “fair-minded” Australians would reject the explanation given by the attorney-general, George Brandis, as ridiculous.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/timor-leste-spy-case-brandis-claims-ridiculous-says-ambassador

this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are...

we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them..

i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:(

True Blue... wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:(

what an amazing turn around in this forum since the 7th..


for 6 years labor couldnt do a thing wrong..even two assassinations were never ever wrong..they even spied on a PM and HIS WIFE.. and nup alls good.

but the moment the Libs do something.. ANYTHING...and guess what the lefties come out in support of the other countries never their own..suddenly we are at war with all these fleabite nations..

countries that have sucked theAID out of this country like theres no tomorrow..always got the friggin hand out...and suddenly Australia is the criminal..

what about this nice write up of a Nation in Copenhagen

The ABC quotes today in the June edition of the Quarterly Essay, journalist David Marr as saying Mr Rudd remarked to a group of journalists and aides during the December 2009 summit that: "Those Chinese f**kers are trying to rat-f**k us."


n ah that wouldnt cause a war would it? >:( >:(

I am so sick of reading where lefties think we should constantly bow down to these countries..suck it up lefties..send keating or shorty if you want bum licking.

funny how they dont mind if we upset the yanks ::) ::) ::)

Explain your actions again Australia.

Sorry, Julie Bishop is in Jakarta explaining other actions, then off to China explaining other actions, then off to Thailand...........

She should get up to East Timor by about July next year.

East Timor spying case: PM Xanana Gusmao calls for Australia to explain itself over ASIO raids

East Timor's prime minister says he is shocked by the Australian Government's decision to authorise raids on a lawyer and whistleblower who were set to provide evidence against Australia in The Hague.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/east-timor-pm-shocked-by-asio-raids-over-spying-case/5135146

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 5:47am:

The Attorney General will have to come clean and admit the lawyers office was raided to obtain evidence to protect Downer and the Liberal Party. I wonder if the lawyers at the hearing in the Hague will be "deeply disappointed" when they hear about this stealing of the key evidence and arrest of the key witness by government agencies? Timor-Leste’s ambassador to Australia said his country was “deeply disappointed” Australian intelligence agencies had resorted to raids against the tiny nation’s lawyer and star witness in the international hearing of spying allegations and thought “fair-minded” Australians would reject the explanation given by the attorney-general, George Brandis, as ridiculous. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/timor-leste-spy-case-brandis-claims-ridiculous-says-ambassador

Good post Pansi,
The security services are out of control - just cowboys.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 7:14pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 6:55pm: The dodgy use of a government agency if ever there was one...Downer needs to be investigated.

But it's nice work if you can get it.

I'd be happy with Downer's job.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp4p7IzVbfc

cods wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 6:12am:

True Blue... wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 5:53am: this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:( what an amazing turn around in this forum since the 7th.. for 6 years labor couldnt do a thing wrong..even two assassinations were never ever wrong..they even spied on a PM and HIS WIFE.. and nup alls good. but the moment the Libs do something.. ANYTHING...and guess what the lefties come out in support of the other countries never their own..suddenly we are at war with all these fleabite nations.. countries that have sucked theAID out of this country like theres no tomorrow..always got the friggin hand out...and suddenly Australia is the criminal.. what about this nice write up of a Nation in Copenhagen The ABC quotes today in the June edition of the Quarterly Essay, journalist David Marr as saying Mr Rudd remarked to a group of journalists and aides during the December 2009 summit that: "Those Chinese f**kers are trying to rat-f**k us." n ah that wouldnt cause a war would it? >:( >:( I am so sick of reading where lefties think we should constantly bow down to these countries..suck it up lefties..send keating or shorty if you want bum licking. funny how they dont mind if we upset the yanks ::) ::) ::)

What an ignorant old woman you are. Never assess a situation for what it is but first ask "Is my team being attacked" and if so "defend my team, defend them.  Labors worse, labor did the same."  Id rather give a preschooler the vote then to see a confused incompetent automaton like you exercise that function.   Your approach to politics is entirely servile so why should we listen to anything a slave like you has to say.  Think about each situation on its merits ignorant old woman instead of blindly going in to bat for your team.  Yor an embarrassment to thinking human beings. 

True Blue... wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:(

Oh look the darkies should be scraping and grovelling at our feet for all we did for them.  What cr@p!!!.  You obviously have a fairy tale perspective on all this.  Aust went into E. Timor for the commercial interests of Woodside and an international corporate cartel.  The subsequent bugging of the Timorese cabinet room is strong evidence of that.  Its not something a genuine well meaning friend would do.  Are you seriously going to pretend Mr True Blue that that kind of behavior accords with the standards of decency you were brought up with in this country.  I dont think so.  Take your racist patriotic blinkers off and see the situation for what it is.      

True Blue... wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 5:53am:

this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:(

That's right. They should give us ALL the mining rights, the ungrateful black bastards.

How dare they complain about our spies working for Woodside Petroleum? Is it any wonder Mr Downer went on Lateline to tell the Libs to neither confirm nor deny any spying runours?

What a patriot. If Labor hadn't got rid of knighthoods, Mr Downer would be Sir Alex by now.

SHAME LABOR SHAME

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 9:05am:

True Blue... wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 5:53am: this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:( Oh look the darkies should be scraping and grovelling at our feet for all we did for them.

I agree.

Mistie will be along soon to say how weak the leftards are for pandering to these backward black countries.

This is progress.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1472061_601680789868790_492129677_n.jpg

Abbott's on a race to the bottom to see how many countries he can upset in a three year period.

Protesters throw rocks at Australian embassy in East Timor

ABOUT 100 protesters in East Timor have thrown rocks at the Australian embassy, with police responding with tear gas as a spying row intensifies.

The protesters, mostly students and young Timorese rights activists, carried banners reading "Australia is a thief" and "Australia has no morals", an AFP correspondent said.
The demonstrators, calling themselves the Movement Against Timor Sea Occupation, shouted "Australia, imperialist, capitalist!", and "Australia is a thief of world oil".

"The Australian leaders do not respect the people of Timor-Leste because it's very small, very poor," the group's spokesman Juvinal Dias said.
The embassy was guarded with just four police until a dozen more arrived and fired tear gas at demonstrators, saying they had no permit to protest.
Deputy Prime Minister Fernando La Sama de Araujo says he is "not happy" with Australia's actions, adding: "We demand the Australian government stops spying on the lawyer representing Timor-Leste."

http://www.news.com.au/world/protesters-throw-rocks-at-australian-embassy-in-east-timor/story-fndir2ev-1226776564105

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 9:05am: True Blue... wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 5:53am: this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:( Oh look the darkies should be scraping and grovelling at our feet for all we did for them.   I agree. Mistie will be along soon to say how weak the leftards are for pandering to these backward black countries. This is progress.

Everything is in order. "Progressives" are screeching loudly. This means common sense is prevailing. This truly is progress.

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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 7^th, 2013 at 9:32am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 10:12am: ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 9:05am: True Blue... wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 5:53am: this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:( Oh look the darkies should be scraping and grovelling at our feet for all we did for them.   I agree. Mistie will be along soon to say how weak the leftards are for pandering to these backward black countries. This is progress. Everything is in order. "Progressives" are screeching loudly. This means common sense is prevailing. This truly is progress.

Hey Misty, you finally made it.  We were getting worried we weren't going to get yor "Backwards Looking" take on all this.   

Enquiring mind wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 9:05am: True Blue... wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 5:53am: this is a lesson in what an ungrateful bunch of arsewipes the East Timorese are... we spent hundreds of millions of dollars in saving their country then they tried to double deal us on the Oil/Gas mining with China... who did SFA in regards to getting their country back for them.. i'd have been bugging their offices as well...  >:( Oh look the darkies should be scraping and grovelling at our feet for all we did for them.   I agree. Mistie will be along soon to say how weak the leftards are for pandering to these backward black countries. This is progress.

It's a criminal offence to bug phones in every country of the world.

Those ASIS agents committed a criminal offence in East Timor.