F#ck me...

any wonder we are so far in debt...


how much spying were the Labor government doing?

and what was it costing us?

NEW revelations from the stockpile of documents stolen by US security contractor Edward Snowden are expected to include evidence of Australian espionage against China and other Asian neighbours and expose the scale of surveillance by Australian agencies against their own citizens. The Abbott government is bracing for a new series of disclosures about Australian intelligence activity, which is likely to include fresh details on Indonesian spying that will further test the relationship with Jakarta. -

by the way..

what did we ever do to snowden that he's trying to put us into WWIII?  >:(

Sounds like the ABC is waiting for Tony to get things back on track before releasing another tranche of confidential documents. If that does happen, Tony needs to leave his good-guy persona at the door and deal harshly with the ABC. In my opinion, he should've already by sacking the Managing Director.

you are right... Tony handled the first lot of Labor spying like a pro...

while the quivering coward Labor/Green stooges and media lost their nerve and wanted Tony to grovel and apologise he held his nerve and saw it through like a champion..

some say...

there's going to be a two year drip feed of this Labor/Green spying which the new Liberal Government has to handle...

The adults should be able to handle these simple revelations, it's all part of being......adult.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:05am:

F#ck me... any wonder we are so far in debt... how much spying were the Labor government doing? and what was it costing us? NEW revelations from the stockpile of documents stolen by US security contractor Edward Snowden are expected to include evidence of Australian espionage against China and other Asian neighbours and expose the scale of surveillance by Australian agencies against their own citizens. The Abbott government is bracing for a new series of disclosures about Australian intelligence activity, which is likely to include fresh details on Indonesian spying that will further test the relationship with Jakarta. -

Where is the link to that story or it is just your opinion and where does it say a labor government done the spying. we been spying on other countries since WW2

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/new-leaks-to-test-tony-abbott-in-asia/story-e6frg8yo-1226772613742#


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New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 12:00AM  NEW revelations from the stockpile of documents stolen by US security contractor Edward Snowden are expected to include evidence of Australian espionage against China and other Asian neighbours and expose the scale of surveillance by Australian agencies against their own citizens. The Abbott government is bracing for a new series of disclosures about Australian intelligence activity, which is likely to include fresh details on Indonesian spying that will further test the relationship with Jakarta.Snowden, a former US National Security Agency contractor, is also believed to have extensive material involving Australian intelligence efforts directed at China, Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Thailand and The Philippines, as well as various South Pacific nations.One of the most controversial matters will be the disclosure of a much wider surveillance and listening program within Australia than previously known.It is believed that all Australian activities likely to be revealed will be legal, with senior figures confident that no Australian intelligence agency has broken any Australian laws. However, Australia has fewer restrictions on domestic spying than the US and has undertaken targeted but extensive surveillance, most related to terrorism threats. Senior figures in the US and Australia believe that the Snowden leaks are the single most damaging episode to hit the Western intelligence effort since World War II.Last month, The Guardian Australia and the ABC published documents from Snowden suggesting that Australia's Defence Signals Directorate had tapped the phones of Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, his wife and senior colleagues.The revelations triggered a diplomatic row with Jakarta.The government, which has expressed regret for the revelations but has stopped short of an apology, is braced for the release of more documents stolen by Snowden, who has sought asylum in Russia.Canberra does not know exactly what will emerge from the Snowden stockpile, but it does know the full range of matters that could be revealed.The US government has comprehensive knowledge of every document that Snowden accessed through his varied intelligence career, but particularly in his last months as a consultant, working as a systems administrator for the NSA.Washington has shared with Canberra any information relevant to Australia, even though US authorities are not sure that Snowden stole every document that he accessed.Previous reports have put the number of documents Snowden has already supplied to media outlets, mainly The Guardian, at more than 200,000.A large number of Western officials and security experts believe the Snowden revelations are devastating to American intelligence and its ability to operate effectively in the future.Several sources told The Australian they believed this was a greater blow to Western intelligence than the Aldrich Ames or Kim Philby affairs.Ames was a CIA officer who betrayed all US agents working in and against the Soviet Union in the 1980s, resulting in the deaths of at least 10 people.In the 60s, the Cambridge spy ring of Philby, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean and Anthony Blunt infiltrated to the heart of British intelligence on behalf of the Soviet Union.Senior intelligence figures say the Snowden documents reveal a great deal of what the Americans and their allies, including Australia, know about a range of sensitive matters. They also reveal US and Australian techniques of intelligence-gathering, particularly technical matters, which will make defences against such efforts much stronger in the future.Sources also expressed concern that the historic leaks to the Soviet Union were at least restricted to the Soviet Union and in a few cases its closest allies; the Snowden leaks are going public worldwide and will be available to everybody.The latest leaks are also producing a great deal of tension between the US and many of its allies, such as Germany and Spain, and its friends, such as Brazil and Mexico. This effect will likely be replicated to some extent for Australia and a number of its friends in Asia.

Quote:

Most importantly, sources said the leaks had fatally compromised domestic US support for the intelligence agencies and would result in greater restrictions on the agencies. They may also end the quiet but essential co-operation of US companies with the lawful intelligence requirements of US intelligence agencies.Rory Medcalf, director of the International Security program at the Lowy Institute and a former senior analyst at the Office of National Assessments, shares the view of the gravity of the Snowden leaks."My assumption is that we have only seen a small part of what Snowden has, and therefore there will be very severe damage to Australia to come," he told The Australian."What concerns me the most is the way this potentially tilts the balance against the US and its allies, and in favour of China and Russia. Where is the Chinese or Russian Snowden?"Snowden spent time in Hong Kong before moving to Russia. Western agencies believe the Chinese accessed all the information that Snowden took with him, as have the Russians.However, it is believed that Snowden has even more material stored in "the cloud" and accessible by a complicated series of passwords. It is not clear whether the Chinese and the Russians have access to that too.It has been revealed that South Korea and Singapore are also alleged to be involved in US intelligence activities directed at Indonesia.Western officials are bracing for a sustained campaign of leaks designed to cause maximum harm to their interests. - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/new-leaks-to-test-tony-abbott-in-asia/story-e6frg8yo-1226772613742#sthash.5aM2A6Om.dpuf

OUCH!!!

Bobby, this could get serious.

Imagine if the whole of Asia gang up on us.

We are sitting ducks.

We're doomed.

Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime.

Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians.

Abbott, stop spying.

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:52am:

Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying.

It's the same as if Tony has been caught with
his pants down in a girls school.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:55am:

____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. It's the same as if Tony has been caught with his pants down in a girls school.

or a boy's school. (abbott spent 3 years in a homosexual hotbed)

Bobby thanks for putting the link up to the story, now it is up to true blue to show where it was a labor government that done all the spying


True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:05am:

F#ck me... any wonder we are so far in debt... how much spying were the Labor government doing? and what was it costing us?

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:36am:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/new-leaks-to-test-tony-abbott-in-asia/story-e6frg8yo-1226772613742# Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 12:00AM  .

I seem to recall the Murdoch press bagging the ABC for printing the previous spying revelations, (particularly that dolt Bolt).

Now they print this!!

smacking Hypocrites!!

Quote:

New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013

Why is the Australian publishing this story???

:-? :-? :-?

Howard and Bush.....war criminals and espionage tragics.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:17am:

Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 Why is the Australian publishing this story??? :-? :-? :-?

Yes - it's only The Australian - not ABC or the Guardian.

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:52am:

Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying.

Nobody's mentioned spying on Australians that I have seen. Go hug a tree, or better yet, chain yourself to it! You guys seem to be good at that, so stick to what you're good at and leave this adult stuff to the adults.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:41am:

____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. Nobody's mentioned spying on Australians that I have seen. Go hug a tree, or better yet, chain yourself to it! You guys seem to be good at that, so stick to what you're good at and leave this adult stuff to the adults.

Just because you have your head up your rear end doesn't count for anything.

Abbott supports Pine Gap and Pine Gap spies on everything and everyone.

Abbott must stop supporting spying on Australians and demand the closure of Pine Gap and kick out the yanks off Australian soil.

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:48am:

Abbott must stop supporting spying on Australians and demand the closure of Pine Gap and kick out the yanks off Australian soil.

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If we are going to have a good relationship with Asia.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:11am:

by the way.. what did we ever do to snowden that he's trying to put us into WWIII?  >:(

snowden probably doesnt know where AUstralia is... the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous of course..its dangerous .. this is not responsible freedom of speech.. its BLACKMAIL.. in one sense. they have information that they are able to manipulate...and just release the bits that suit THEM>..

did we elect the guardian or the power at the ABC..??? not that I know of..

if they want the POWER OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. then they have to use it wisely... >:( >:(

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:40am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:17am: Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 Why is the Australian publishing this story??? :-? :-? :-? Yes - it's only The Australian - not ABC or the Guardian.

oops didnt know that... however my stand still stands...

who ever thinks its ok to release these.. so called leaks... ::) ::)

what proof do we have they are from the Pentagon.??..

Freedom of Speech carries certain responsibilities and I would think this is one of them as its mostly mischief making.

if they were going to bomb us tomorrow or we them.. without any warning whatever I would say......MAYBE.

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:10am:

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:11am: by the way.. what did we ever do to snowden that he's trying to put us into WWIII?  >:( snowden probably doesnt know where AUstralia is... the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous of course..its dangerous .. this is not responsible freedom of speech.. its BLACKMAIL.. in one sense. they have information that they are able to manipulate...and just release the bits that suit THEM>.. did we elect the guardian or the power at the ABC..??? not that I know of.. if they want the POWER OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. then they have to use it wisely... >:( >:(

So if Labor were in office, you would oppose the release of this information … pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:22am:

cods wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 8:10am: True Blue... wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:11am: by the way.. what did we ever do to snowden that he's trying to put us into WWIII?  >:( snowden probably doesnt know where AUstralia is... the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous of course..its dangerous .. this is not responsible freedom of speech.. its BLACKMAIL.. in one sense. they have information that they are able to manipulate...and just release the bits that suit THEM>.. did we elect the guardian or the power at the ABC..??? not that I know of.. if they want the POWER OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH.. then they have to use it wisely... >:( >:( So if Labor were in office, you would oppose the release of this information … pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

you have the link where I have ever said...

wikileaks is doing a great job for all concerned???......

come on show me... I believe assange became news during the rudd years...so come on shouldnt be too hard to find..something where I have said.. SIC IT TO LABOR...I dont care about the country..

I have enough sense to know this is more than a Lab v  Lib contest....pity you dont take a good look at the end result of all this petty hes  spying shes spying....wow thats NEWS?????


give me a break.. your more childish than SBY

the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous

They are reporting the news cods, as is The Australian Murdoch right wing press.

Australia can't complain when the story comes out. If we act like rsoles, don't complain when we're treated like like rsoles and the world finds out about it.

It is the job of the media to report the news, no matter how distasteful it is, it's their obligation.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:15am:

you are right... Tony handled the first lot of Labor spying like a pro...

you must mean like a drunk, stoned  $20 pro  ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:40am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:17am: Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 Why is the Australian publishing this story??? :-? :-? :-? Yes - it's only The Australian - not ABC or the Guardian. oops didnt know that... however my stand still stands... who ever thinks its ok to release these.. so called leaks... ::) ::) what proof do we have they are from the Pentagon.??.. Freedom of Speech carries certain responsibilities and I would think this is one of them as its mostly mischief making. if they were going to bomb us tomorrow or we them.. without any warning whatever I would say......MAYBE.

But The Australian is a Liberal party right wing newspaper.

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:15am:

you are right... Tony handled the first lot of Labor spying like a pro...

Yeah.


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Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 8:15am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:40am: philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:17am: Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 Why is the Australian publishing this story??? :-? :-? :-? Yes - it's only The Australian - not ABC or the Guardian. oops didnt know that... however my stand still stands... who ever thinks its ok to release these.. so called leaks... ::) ::) what proof do we have they are from the Pentagon.??.. Freedom of Speech carries certain responsibilities and I would think this is one of them as its mostly mischief making. if they were going to bomb us tomorrow or we them.. without any warning whatever I would say......MAYBE. But The Australian is a Liberal party right wing newspaper.

sorry bob dont understand your rant at all.

please interpret????

as I said my stand still stands.. which means in cod speak... it covers all of the media..they all have responsibility


you know if you work in a china store...you dont walk around with a hammer in your hand do you?

Cods,

Quote:

sorry bob dont understand your rant at all. please interpret???? as I said my stand still stands.. which means in cod speak... it covers all of the media..they all have responsibility you know if you work in a china store...you dont walk around with a hammer in your hand do you?

Hi Cods,
people have been blaming left wing news services for the leaks
but now a right wing paper is doing it too.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:36am:

the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous They are reporting the news cods, as is The Australian Murdoch right wing press. Australia can't complain when the story comes out. If we act like rsoles, don't complain when we're treated like like rsoles and the world finds out about it. It is the job of the media to report the news, no matter how distasteful it is, it's their obligation.

so its all right then for the MEDIA TO HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATEVER is that what you are saying???

spying is everywhere you are spide on when you walk into a shopping centre.. we have cameras to spy on the speed we drive.. WHATS NEW...

are you telling me its ok for the press/media 4 corners... to blast sh!t or make fun of Islam.. BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO COME FROM SNOWDEN/???..


can you see us all having a jihad declared on us because 4 corners got a scoop from Snowden?..

is that really your idea of FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

no responsibility whatever. its NEWS ::)


to tell me this country is spying on that country is not news at all to the likes of me..

I was around during the Cambridge 5 Philby and Burgess thats  maybe before your time..

but believe me... havent you heard of Mara Hari.  thats even before my time...

since electronics..thats kind of old fashioned now.. ;)

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:14am:

Hi Cods, people have been blaming left wing news services for the leaks but now a right wing paper is doing it too.

I get that bobby.... but you are kind of giving me the impression I think its ok because its a right leaning paper..


well I dont..

but what the ABC did I think is worse..maybe now they have said to the rest of the media.. HEY ITS OK... ITS NEWS as pansi calls it..

IF THE ABC CAN DO SO CAN EVERYONE..

has the ABC said anything about the rape case the police are looking into?? isnt that NEWS?..maybe only if it was Abbott..

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 9:14am: Hi Cods, people have been blaming left wing news services for the leaks but now a right wing paper is doing it too. I get that bobby.... but you are kind of giving me the impression I think its ok because its a right leaning paper.. well I dont.. but what the ABC did I think is worse..maybe now they have said to the rest of the media.. HEY ITS OK... ITS NEWS as pansi calls it.. IF THE ABC CAN DO SO CAN EVERYONE.. has the ABC said anything about the rape case the police are looking into?? isnt that NEWS?..maybe only if it was Abbott..

The more disturbing question is :

why aren't the ABC & the Guardian reporting this latest leak?

Is there a "D" type notice on them?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:11am:

Sounds like the ABC is waiting for Tony to get things back on track before releasing another tranche of confidential documents. If that does happen, Tony needs to leave his good-guy persona at the door and deal harshly with the ABC. In my opinion, he should've already by sacking the Managing Director.

The MD Mark Scott is a Lib Party member and has done huge damage to the independence of the ABC.

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:15am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:36am: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/new-leaks-to-test-tony-abbott-in-asia/story-e6frg8yo-1226772613742# Quote: New leaks to test Tony Abbott in Asia by: GREG SHERIDAN From: The Australian December 02, 2013 12:00AM  . I seem to recall the Murdoch press bagging the ABC for printing the previous spying revelations, (particularly that dolt Bolt). Now they print this!! smacking Hypocrites!!

They realised that this sort of stuff sells papers and were pissed off because the ABC denied them the first scoop  :)

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:52am:

Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying.

:D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D
Honestly Greens...  the party without a single brain.

Which party/s were in power over the last 6 years?  hmmmm....  ::)

Grendel wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 1:49pm:

____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly Greens...  the party without a single brain. Which party/s were in power over the last 6 years?  hmmmm....  ::)

It is hardly worth commenting on Greenswin or Adelcrows gear.  I think they are both a bit touched in the head.

Personally I think they were touched in the head with a sledgehammer...

Grendel wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 1:49pm:

____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly Greens...  the party without a single brain. Which party/s were in power over the last 6 years?  hmmmm....  ::)

So Pine Gap wasn't spying during the Howard regime?

Did history only start 6 years ago in your head.

Abbott supports pine gap so Abbott and his supporters are guilty in it's spying on others and Australians.

Now go stand in the naughty corner for 10 minutes and think over what you have done.

Datalife wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 1:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 1:49pm: ____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D Honestly Greens...  the party without a single brain. Which party/s were in power over the last 6 years?  hmmmm....  ::) It is hardly worth commenting on Greenswin or Adelcrows gear.  I think they are both a bit touched in the head.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1343785142

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 9:20am:

cods wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 9:18am: Bobby. wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 9:14am: Hi Cods, people have been blaming left wing news services for the leaks but now a right wing paper is doing it too. I get that bobby.... but you are kind of giving me the impression I think its ok because its a right leaning paper.. well I dont.. but what the ABC did I think is worse..maybe now they have said to the rest of the media.. HEY ITS OK... ITS NEWS as pansi calls it.. IF THE ABC CAN DO SO CAN EVERYONE.. has the ABC said anything about the rape case the police are looking into?? isnt that NEWS?..maybe only if it was Abbott.. The more disturbing question is : why aren't the ABC & the Guardian reporting this latest leak? Is there a "D" type notice on them?

Didn't the ABC say at the time that there was other information that they hadn't printed because it wasn't in the public interest in that releasing it could do damage.

Looks like Vlad has pumped a few more documents out of the trouble maker Snowden.

Slap my arse and call me Monica and you’ll get all the documents you want.

Tap tap weirdo tap tap……

The front page of the Australian today -
They did report it.

http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx


Quote:

INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES FEAR REVELATIONS ABOUT SPYING ON CHINA AND OUR OWN CITIZENS NEW revelations from the stockpile of documents stolen by US security contractor Edward Snowden are expected to include evidence of Australian espionage against China and other Asian neighbours and expose the scale of surveillance by Australian agencies against their own citizens. The Abbott government is bracing for a new series of disclosures about Australian intelligence activity, which is likely to include fresh details on Indonesian spying that will further test the relationship with Jakarta. Snowden, a former US National Security Agency contractor, is also believed to have extensive material involving Australian intelligence efforts directed at China, Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Thailand and The Philippines, as well as various South Pacific nations. One of the most controversial matters will be the disclosure of a much wider surveillance and listening program within Australia than previously known. It is believed that all Australian activities likely to be revealed will be legal, with senior figures confident that no Australian intelligence agency has broken any Australian laws. However, Australia has fewer restrictions on domestic spying than the US and has undertaken targeted but extensive surveillance, most related to terrorism threats. Senior figures in the US and Australia believe that the Snowden leaks are the single most damaging episode to hit the Western intelligence effort since World War II.

oh yeah...

China and the Russians never spied on anyone...

they'll be mortified... ::)

The Guardian is now reporting it too:



Quote:

Revealed: Australian spy agency offered to share data about ordinary citizens • Secret 5-Eyes document shows surveillance partners discussing what information they can pool about their citizens • DSD indicated it could provide material without some privacy restraints imposed by other countries such as Canada • Medical, legal or religious information 'not automatically limited' • Concern that intelligence agency could be 'operating outside its legal mandate'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/02/revealed-australian-spy-agency-offered-to-share-data-about-ordinary-citizens


There goes peoples private medical records.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 5:18pm:

The front page of the Australian today - They did report it. http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.aspx Quote: INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES FEAR REVELATIONS ABOUT SPYING ON CHINA AND OUR OWN CITIZENS NEW revelations from the stockpile of documents stolen by US security contractor Edward Snowden are expected to include evidence of Australian espionage against China and other Asian neighbours and expose the scale of surveillance by Australian agencies against their own citizens. The Abbott government is bracing for a new series of disclosures about Australian intelligence activity, which is likely to include fresh details on Indonesian spying that will further test the relationship with Jakarta. Snowden, a former US National Security Agency contractor, is also believed to have extensive material involving Australian intelligence efforts directed at China, Malaysia, Papua New Guinea, East Timor, Thailand and The Philippines, as well as various South Pacific nations. One of the most controversial matters will be the disclosure of a much wider surveillance and listening program within Australia than previously known. It is believed that all Australian activities likely to be revealed will be legal, with senior figures confident that no Australian intelligence agency has broken any Australian laws. However, Australia has fewer restrictions on domestic spying than the US and has undertaken targeted but extensive surveillance, most related to terrorism threats. Senior figures in the US and Australia believe that the Snowden leaks are the single most damaging episode to hit the Western intelligence effort since World War II.

They didn't mention invading peoples private medical records.

they can have mine bobby...

siff I care

True Blue... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 5:50pm:

they can have mine bobby... siff I care

What if you were a woman who had an abortion?

Now 1 million NSA Yanks know all about it.
Who else knows?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/02/privacy-australians-surveillance-metadata

Geoffrey Robertson.



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There are other disquieting details in the minutes of this spooks’ convention. The parties all agreed that as a result of electronic spying breakthroughs they appear to be now collecting “medical, legal and religious, or restricted business information, which may be regarded as an intrusion of privacy (my italics)”. But there is no “may” about it – obtaining details of personal medical history counts as an invasion of privacy under every human rights treaty, whilst theft of professionally privileged legal advice is contrary to the common law. These minutes are further evidence we are slipping into an Orwellian world where the state can scoop up any electronic communication, and in which DSD thinks it can lawfully tittle-tattle on Australians to foreign agencies and is even considering disclosure to “non-intelligence agencies” – police, professional associations, employers and perhaps even to newspapers.

Why do spy agencies want to know the medical information of citizens?

The medical records only got a one word mention on the ABC 7.30 report tonight.

http://www.news.com.au/national/government-rallies-behind-spy-agencies-claims-metadata-sent-to-overseas-networks-rejected-by-senior-sources/story-fncynjr2-1226773679255

Government rallies behind spy agencies - claims metadata sent to overseas networks rejected by senior sources
5 HOURS AGODECEMBER 02, 2013 6:59PM

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ASIO Headquarters being built in Canberra - Aerials photographs of Canberra ACT Source: News Limited
THE Government today swung behind Australia's security network to rebuff a fresh round of leaks accused our spies of sending "metadata" information on ordinary citizens to intelligence agencies overseas.
Senior source dismissed as "wrong'' the allegations, carried by the Guardian website after leaks by former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, and insisted no laws had been broken.
It was not new that security agencies such as ASIO collected the metadata but there was no evidence they did it illegally or sent it overseas to the so-called Five Eyes intelligence partners - New Zealand, Britain, Canada and the US - in 2008 as the leaks suggested.
And the Government rallied behind the intelligence agencies at a time when it's operations have been opened to unprecedented public scrutiny and comment caused by the leaking of US secrets.
Australia's spy networks have helped jail more than 40 terrorists over the past decade - 23 of them in Australia in the past four years - and thwarted "a number of mass casualty attacks''.
"Metadata'' is information about communications which does not reveal the content of those communications. This includes ISP identifiers, the time and date of emails and telephone calls, and the people who received the calls and emails.
But the contents of the calls - not even the material in the subject line - is revealed without a specific warrant.
The material collected has been likened to the address on the envelope, the name of the recipient, and the details in the post mar, but not the letter itself.
Foreign intelligence networks are unlikely to be interested in the metadata, but would be sent any intelligence refined from the information.
Attorney-General George Brandis today argued there had been no illegal activity and dismissed the Guardian reports.
He told the Senate the document leaked by "traitor'' Edward Snowden was unverified. The Government would continue the practice of not commenting on intelligence matters.
"I also note that the unverified document is described as a draft document which, contrary to the reports, does not report or record any activity by any Australian agency,'' said Senator Brandis.
He referred to the oversight of intelligence operations by ministers and the Parliament, and praised the work of our spy networks in stopping terrorist attacks.
"The purpose of all of Australia's intelligence activity and the co-operation of its intelligence agencies is to serve Australia's national interests and protect Australian citizens,'' said Senator Brandis.
"And can I by way of illustration point out Australian authorities have disrupted terrorist planning in Australia and thwarted a number of mass casualty attacks as a result of there activities, 23 people have been convicted on terrorist offences in Australia in the last four years.
"Australia's intelligence has also helped to prevent four attacks in South East Asia in the last decade and contributed to the arrest within South East Asia of over 20 terrorists.
"The Government is confident that the Australian intelligence agencies will act in accordance with the law and always in the service of the national interest."

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thats nice to know isnt it...

so as long as you dont have jesuit freemasons

writing laws, you have no problems

keep voting

and be at peace

namaste

ॐ

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Master Light,

Quote:

jesuit freemasons

I don't care what you call them.
They may have done some good work but it doesn't explain
snooping medical information.

Online medical information is only available to hospitals in life threatening situations using encryption.
The medical records encryption decoding  information & access must have
been given away by the medical authorities for the security services to read.

Who is responsible for doing so & not telling us?

We need questions in parliament.

____ wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 7:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:41am: ____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. Nobody's mentioned spying on Australians that I have seen. Go hug a tree, or better yet, chain yourself to it! You guys seem to be good at that, so stick to what you're good at and leave this adult stuff to the adults. Just because you have your head up your rear end doesn't count for anything. Abbott supports Pine Gap and Pine Gap spies on everything and everyone. Abbott must stop supporting spying on Australians and demand the closure of Pine Gap and kick out the yanks off Australian soil.

Yes, much better that our country collectively sticks its head in the sand, right? Gawd, you're a fool. Every PM - Labor and Liberal for decades has supported Pine Gap. Who knows how many terrorist acts have been prevented here by using intel obtained through Pine Gap? I think we'll find that the facility does more good than bad for us all.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:11am:

Sounds like the ABC is waiting for Tony to get things back on track before releasing another tranche of confidential documents. If that does happen, Tony needs to leave his good-guy persona at the door and deal harshly with the ABC. In my opinion, he should've already by sacking the Managing Director.

Firstly, I doubt the PM has the right to dismiss the MD of the ABC.

What would he sack him for - reporting the truth?

Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 4:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:11am: Sounds like the ABC is waiting for Tony to get things back on track before releasing another tranche of confidential documents. If that does happen, Tony needs to leave his good-guy persona at the door and deal harshly with the ABC. In my opinion, he should've already by sacking the Managing Director. Firstly, I doubt the PM has the right to dismiss the MD of the ABC. What would he sack him for - reporting the truth?

For illegal possession and publishing of classified material, which is, as it happens, an offence under Commonwealth law and a penalty which carries with it a prison term.

This obsession conservatives have with the ABC is becoming more than a little tiresome.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 8:36am:

the guardian and the ABC are not picking what they are doing is outrageous They are reporting the news cods, as is The Australian Murdoch right wing press. Australia can't complain when the story comes out. If we act like rsoles, don't complain when we're treated like like rsoles and the world finds out about it. It is the job of the media to report the news, no matter how distasteful it is, it's their obligation.

Spot on, Pansi. If the news embarrasses politicians or government, that's tough.

American humorist Finley Peter Dunne once said it was the job of the media to "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable". Wise man.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 4:47am:

____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 7:41am: ____ wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:52am: Pine Gap is still spying under the Abbott Regime. Abbott supports spying on our neighbours and Abbott supports spying on Australians. Abbott, stop spying. Nobody's mentioned spying on Australians that I have seen. Go hug a tree, or better yet, chain yourself to it! You guys seem to be good at that, so stick to what you're good at and leave this adult stuff to the adults. Just because you have your head up your rear end doesn't count for anything. Abbott supports Pine Gap and Pine Gap spies on everything and everyone. Abbott must stop supporting spying on Australians and demand the closure of Pine Gap and kick out the yanks off Australian soil. Yes, much better that our country collectively sticks its head in the sand, right? Gawd, you're a fool. Every PM - Labor and Liberal for decades has supported Pine Gap. Who knows how many terrorist acts have been prevented here by using intel obtained through Pine Gap? I think we'll find that the facility does more good than bad for us all.

Fact is we have no idea whether Pine Gap has achieved anything. And for "security reasons" we never shall.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Master Light, Quote: jesuit freemasons I don't care what you call them. They may have done some good work but it doesn't explain snooping medical information. Online medical information is only available to hospitals in life threatening situations using encryption. The medical records encryption decoding  information & access must have been given away by the medical authorities for the security services to read. Who is responsible for doing so & not telling us? We need questions in parliament.

I doubt that we'll get those questions as Labor is in this up to their necks.

Maybe the Greens will act?

The Abbott government unsuccessfully tries to hide behind a veil of secrecy.

Assume the worst on spy leaks: Johnston

THE Abbott government has confirmed it is bracing for more embarrassing intelligence leaks but says it will not take a backwards step on spying.

Defence Minister David Johnston has told industry and defence experts that the government is assuming the worst when it comes to further possible leaks from fugitive US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The event in Canberra on Monday was closed to the media but audio was obtained by The West Australian newspaper and made available on its website.

"Suffice to say that this is not an area that I can get into in great detail, but I simply say assume the worst," Senator Johnston told the gathering.
"We are watching with great acuity what is happening in the space. But we must assume the worst. There is no alternative for us."

"We must assume the worst but we've got to toughen up and get on with the job."

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/assume-the-worst-on-spy-leaks-johnston/story-e6frfku9-1226773962843

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:02am:

The Abbott government unsuccessfully tries to hide behind a veil of secrecy. Assume the worst on spy leaks: Johnston THE Abbott government has confirmed it is bracing for more embarrassing intelligence leaks but says it will not take a backwards step on spying. Defence Minister David Johnston has told industry and defence experts that the government is assuming the worst when it comes to further possible leaks from fugitive US intelligence whistleblower Edward Snowden. The event in Canberra on Monday was closed to the media but audio was obtained by The West Australian newspaper and made available on its website. "Suffice to say that this is not an area that I can get into in great detail, but I simply say assume the worst," Senator Johnston told the gathering. "We are watching with great acuity what is happening in the space. But we must assume the worst. There is no alternative for us." "We must assume the worst but we've got to toughen up and get on with the job." http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/assume-the-worst-on-spy-leaks-johnston/story-e6frfku9-1226773962843

You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years...  ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:07am:

You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years..

There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too.

I wonder what little Johnnie was up to?

Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm?

Oh well! it will all come out.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:13am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:07am: You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years.. There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too. I wonder what little Johnnie was up to? Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm? Oh well! it will all come out.

Oh come on Pansi!   You KNOW spying only started under the previous Labor Government!  The previous Liberal and Labor Governments had nothing to do with it!  Pine Gap and JORN were just subsidised holiday camps for Defence Workers.

Vic wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:07am: You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years.. There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too. I wonder what little Johnnie was up to? Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm? Oh well! it will all come out. Oh come on Pansi!   You KNOW spying only started under the previous Labor Government!  The previous Liberal and Labor Governments had nothing to do with it!  Pine Gap and JORN were just subsidised holiday camps for Defence Workers.

Of course spying was conducted under Howard, but I find the howls of protest from the left impossible to swallow given the one simple fact that Labor had six years to change how spying is conducted and clearly have either done nothing or gone further than the previous Coalition government that Rudd replaced. My bet is on Rudd expanding our spying, given his ego and controlling nature.

Nothing here about security services having access to our medical records at EHealth:

http://www.ehealth.gov.au/internet/ehealth/publishing.nsf/Content/ehealth_privacy

It does say -


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Will information in eHealth records be taken or held outside Australia? A registered repository operator, a registered portal operator or a registered Contracted Service Provider that holds or has access to eHealth records must not hold or take the records outside Australia or process or handle the information relating to the records outside Australia.

It looks like the EHealth website is full of lies.

It also says -


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What are the penalties for collecting, using or disclosing information in an eHealth record when it is not authorised? It is an offence under the Personally Controlled Electronic Health Records Act 2012 for a person to collect health information from an individual's eHealth record, or use or disclose that information, if the collection, use or disclosure is not authorised by the legislation and the person knows that the collection is not authorised or is reckless as to whether the collection is authorised or not. The penalty under the legislation for unauthorised collection, use and disclosure is currently up to $13,200 for an individual or up to $66,000 for a body corporate. .

It looks like the spy agencies will owe a lot of money.  :)

Who allowed the spy agencies access?

The data is encrypted.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 10:01am:

Who allowed the spy agencies access? The data is encrypted.

No one has any answers?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 9:30am:

Vic wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:07am: You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years.. There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too. I wonder what little Johnnie was up to? Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm? Oh well! it will all come out. Oh come on Pansi!   You KNOW spying only started under the previous Labor Government!  The previous Liberal and Labor Governments had nothing to do with it!  Pine Gap and JORN were just subsidised holiday camps for Defence Workers. Of course spying was conducted under Howard, but I find the howls of protest from the left impossible to swallow given the one simple fact that Labor had six years to change how spying is conducted and clearly have either done nothing or gone further than the previous Coalition government that Rudd replaced. My bet is on Rudd expanding our spying, given his ego and controlling nature.

My guess is that Australia would have one of the best spying networks in the world - thanks to the almost complete use of high tech andhigh secure American equipment.   However, all the best security in the world cannot a whistleblower stop.  I don't see howls of protest from the left at all - it appears many of the Roids on here thing spying under Rudd started in 2007 after his election!  And blame Rudd for the discovery of it!  Hilarious!

What I do find amusing is the total lack of ability of the current PM to handle it in a diplomatic and sensible style.    Now, he could blame Rudd, say sorry, say it wont happen again and move on.  Three wins there.  But, in an inept fashion he has completely blown it

Vic wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 12:47pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:30am: Vic wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:07am: You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years.. There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too. I wonder what little Johnnie was up to? Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm? Oh well! it will all come out. Oh come on Pansi!   You KNOW spying only started under the previous Labor Government!  The previous Liberal and Labor Governments had nothing to do with it!  Pine Gap and JORN were just subsidised holiday camps for Defence Workers. Of course spying was conducted under Howard, but I find the howls of protest from the left impossible to swallow given the one simple fact that Labor had six years to change how spying is conducted and clearly have either done nothing or gone further than the previous Coalition government that Rudd replaced. My bet is on Rudd expanding our spying, given his ego and controlling nature. My guess is that Australia would have one of the best spying networks in the world - thanks to the almost complete use of high tech andhigh secure American equipment.   However, all the best security in the world cannot a whistleblower stop.  I don't see howls of protest from the left at all - it appears many of the Roids on here thing spying under Rudd started in 2007 after his election!  And blame Rudd for the discovery of it!  Hilarious! What I do find amusing is the total lack of ability of the current PM to handle it in a diplomatic and sensible style.    Now, he could blame Rudd, say sorry, say it wont happen again and move on.  Three wins there.  But, in an inept fashion he has completely blown it

He has actually handled it well. He refused to apologise, and rightly so. He offered high level consultations that may lead to intelligence sharing and Indonesia is happy with that so far. All in all, he's done well, despite all the nonsense and hypocrisy from the ALP.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Vic wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 12:47pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:30am: Vic wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:13am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 9:07am: You may it sound as if Abbott has been PM for the past 6 years.. There was life on earth BEFORE the Labor government too. I wonder what little Johnnie was up to? Maybe the Labor party were just the first ones to be sprung hmmmm? Oh well! it will all come out. Oh come on Pansi!   You KNOW spying only started under the previous Labor Government!  The previous Liberal and Labor Governments had nothing to do with it!  Pine Gap and JORN were just subsidised holiday camps for Defence Workers. Of course spying was conducted under Howard, but I find the howls of protest from the left impossible to swallow given the one simple fact that Labor had six years to change how spying is conducted and clearly have either done nothing or gone further than the previous Coalition government that Rudd replaced. My bet is on Rudd expanding our spying, given his ego and controlling nature. My guess is that Australia would have one of the best spying networks in the world - thanks to the almost complete use of high tech andhigh secure American equipment.   However, all the best security in the world cannot a whistleblower stop.  I don't see howls of protest from the left at all - it appears many of the Roids on here thing spying under Rudd started in 2007 after his election!  And blame Rudd for the discovery of it!  Hilarious! What I do find amusing is the total lack of ability of the current PM to handle it in a diplomatic and sensible style.    Now, he could blame Rudd, say sorry, say it wont happen again and move on.  Three wins there.  But, in an inept fashion he has completely blown it He has actually handled it well. He refused to apologise, and rightly so. He offered high level consultations that may lead to intelligence sharing and Indonesia is happy with that so far. All in all, he's done well, despite all the nonsense and hypocrisy from the ALP.

He has actually handled it well

Really?  We are the laughing stock of a tinpot country that has a cartoon on it's front page suggesting Tony is masterbating whilst looking at Indonesians through a door.

The same tinpot country that now refuses to have much to do with us unless we propose something that THEY will need to approve regardless of what we may think

Add to that Bishop insulting China and we have one doosey of a government

Proof that the US Govt. has your medical records.

http://rt.com/usa/dhs-canada-depression-richardson-495/



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Canadian denied entry to the US after agent cites private medical records. A wheelchair-bound Canadian woman was denied entry to the United States this week because she was previously diagnosed with clinical depression. Now she wants to know why the US Department of Homeland Security had her medical history on file. The Toronto Star’s Valerie Haunch reported on Thursday that 50-year-old author Ellen Richardson was turned away from the city’s Pearson Airport three days earlier after DHS officials said she lacked the necessary medical clearance to cross into the US. “I was turned away, I was told, because I had a hospitalization in the summer of 2012 for clinical depression,’’ Richardson told the Star.

Latest news:

Tony is raiding legal offices & using thuggery against a lawyer.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/asio-raided-lawyer-representing-east-timor-in-spying-case/5132486


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Claims ASIO raided office of lawyer representing East Timor in spying case. A lawyer representing East Timor in its spying case against Australia says his office has been raided by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). Bernard Collaery says two agents seized electronic and paper files this afternoon from his law practice in Canberra. He says the agents identified themselves as working for ASIO, and would not show his employees the search warrant because it related to national security. East Timor has accused the Australia Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) of covertly recording Timorese ministers and officials during oil-and-gas negotiations in Dili in 2004.

read more at link above.

bump

Bobby. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 7:06pm:

Latest news: Tony is raiding legal offices & using thuggery against a lawyer. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/asio-raided-lawyer-representing-east-timor-in-spying-case/5132486 Quote: Claims ASIO raided office of lawyer representing East Timor in spying case. A lawyer representing East Timor in its spying case against Australia says his office has been raided by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). Bernard Collaery says two agents seized electronic and paper files this afternoon from his law practice in Canberra. He says the agents identified themselves as working for ASIO, and would not show his employees the search warrant because it related to national security. East Timor has accused the Australia Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) of covertly recording Timorese ministers and officials during oil-and-gas negotiations in Dili in 2004. read more at link above.