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Title: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:42pm

Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque, or if you see a new mosque being built in your neighbourhood, just remember that the mosque is the place where the moslem goes, to freely worship a murderous demon.

At its core [and confirmed within ISLAM's foundation religious texts] ISLAM is a murderous, intolerant [violently mono-cultural] philosophy, which pretends to be benign and tolerant - of those persons who are not moslems and who [at this moment in time] are too powerful [politically] to be bludgeoned and terrorised, into submission [by moslems].

Who is a moslem ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahadah

The Shahadah is the ISLAMIC declaration of faith [so as to become a moslem].

The Shahadah goes;

Quote:

“There is no god but Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

Do not be fooled, a person who self declares as a moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

And ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

ISLAM's own foundation religious texts [which can be perused by anyone!] openly attest to that undeniable fact.

And the declarations of many of ISLAM's own religious scholars attest to that undeniable fact.

Q.
What is ISLAM ?

A.
If you want to know what kind of behaviour by moslems, that ISLAM sanctions [i.e. sanctions = = MAKES LAWFUL!!], then examine ISLAM's own foundation religious texts, the Koran and Hadith.

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

And ISLAMIC law texts declare, that it is absolutely 'lawful' for a moslem to kill 'unbelievers'/apostates [i.e. those who resist the will of, ....moslems].

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

AND;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector." [<---- ISLAM declares ALL non-moslems to be 'outlaws', i.e. to be persons who are NOT protected, by the 'common' law, by ISLAMIC law.]
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 19^th, 2013 at 11:44pm

From time to time [and again, and again], we see exposed, the real moslem intent [towards all disbelievers],
....an intent which is endorsed and 'authorised' by what can only be described as, 'mainstream' ISLAM, and which is ~~revealed~~ exposed [on this occasion] by this prestigious moslem scholar......

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

ISLAM;

Should the presence of a philosophy like ISLAM be legally tolerated in a country like Australia ?

IMO, no.

Any organisation/political philosophy, which teaches its members that it is lawful and desirable for its own members to kill those outside of its group [because they refuse to be subject to the dictates of that group], should be banned [by an act of the Australian parliament], imo.

Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

IMAGE...

Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Moslems, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Moslems, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems] who 'offend' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THAT, IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, ...ALL MOSLEMS [FROM CHILDHOOD].

Q.
WHAT DOES THAT IMAGE [above] DEPICT ?;
1/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation.
2/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, exercising their lawful right >>> to express <<< their views and opinions, publicly.
3/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who are, ALSO, inciting the murder of persons who would dare to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
4/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
...i.e. their 'right', to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.
5/ A group of moslems, on the streets of a Western nation, who [by their own PUBLIC DECLARATIONS] are seeking to intimidate [into silence] all other persons who may wish to PUBLICLY EXPRESS, that they [non-moslems], do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND #6/ What is being displayed, is group of moslems, religious bigots, openly and publicly 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:29am

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:31am

Islamic violence compared to other groups.

Even the jews commit more terrorism,and there a fraction of the muslim population.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:39am

Anyone hear about the Islamic conference on the weekend?

The Australian Defence league turned up with the massive crowd with a total of 14 members.

Not only that theyt like to chant when there behind police so they can protect them.

14 people to a protest lol.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 7:22am

You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 7:57am

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 7:22am:

wally1's source;

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

+++

....the reality ---->;

God's OT law is quite clear.....

.....for anyone with eyes to see;

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him...

Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger...

Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...

n.b.
.....and thou shalt love him as thyself

Leviticus 25:47-49
[these verses clearly speak of [and reveal that it was entirely 'lawful'] for Hebrews [themselves] to become bond servants [slaves], to prosperous strangers living among the Hebrews.]

Deuteronomy 1:16
And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

Deuteronomy 10:17-19
For the LORD your God... loveth the stranger, ...Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger, nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow's raiment to pledge:
18 But thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee thence: therefore I command thee to do this thing.

Deuteronomy 27:19
Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger...

+++

'Peaceful', 'peace loving', ISLAM ------>;

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

<------- 'Peaceful' ISLAM, as it is practised by moslems, every day, around the world.

Coming to western Sydney, and beyond.

Courtesy of Gough Whitlam, Malcolm Fraser, and of late; Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, John Howard, and Tony Abbot.

+++

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:15am

On the basis of that, Yadda, The Bible doesn't come out too well compared to the Q'ran. ::)

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:20am

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:31am:

Islamic violence compared to other groups.

Even the jews commit more terrorism,and there a fraction of the muslim population.

LOL

Lying, as...

"...a propaganda technique"

Quote:

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

"We followers of ISLAM are not extraordinarily 'extremist' - honest!

Yes! Its those Latinos you need to watch out for - honest!"

LOLi'Peaceful', 'peace loving', ISLAM ------>;

THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

<------- 'Peaceful' ISLAM, as it is being practised by moslems - every day - around the world.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:30am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

On the basis of that, Yadda, The Bible doesn't come out too well compared to the Q'ran. ::)

Oh, Brian Ross.

And you opinion is based upon your knowledge of HOW TRUTHFUL MOSLEMS ARE, WHEN MOSLEMS ARE SPEAKING TO NON-MOSLEMS, ABOUT THE NATURE OF ISLAM ?

brian,

Moslems are bare faced liars.

If a moslem told me that that bright thing in the sky was the sun, i would want a second opinion.

That is how far, i believe, moslems are away from truth, and from a propensity to speak truthfully.

THE INFORMATION PORTRAYED IN THAT IMAGE, IN CONTEXT; -------->

Lying, as...

"...a propaganda technique"

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 11:58am

Taking over from hitler, we had George bush says God gave him red light to attack Iraq, then Obama said he is good at killing people

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:00pm

I wonder what the Iraqis did to this poor innocent girl and her family.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

You forgot to put in the first part of that comic strip, the one about planes being flown into the World Trade Centre and Afghanistan refusing to give up the perpetrators.

Or did you think Afghanistan was invaded to corner the market in rubble?

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Karnal on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Right you are, old chap. And Saddam funding the whole operation and planning to take over the world.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 2:21pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

You forgot to put in the first part of that comic strip, the one about planes being flown into the World Trade Centre and Afghanistan refusing to give up the perpetrators.

Funny, I think you have that arse about. Bush refused to the Taliban offer to hand over Osama bin Laden!

[quote]
Or did you think Afghanistan was invaded to corner the market in rubble?

Sure looks that when you read the real history of what went on... :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:18pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

wally1 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

Right you are, old chap. And Saddam funding the whole operation and planning to take over the world.

Saddam - hanging was too good for him.

And looking at Iraq now, he was too good for Iraq.

When he was overthrown, that was the actual first day of the Arab Spring.
And they buggered it up, needless to say.
Come to think of it, is there anything in the last 50-100 years that the Muslims Arab haven't turned into a complete balls up? I can't think of anything but I am sure you have numerous achievement at your fingertips, PB.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:30pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:17pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

[quote author=wally1 link=1384868573/12#12 date=1384912879]

You are lying, Tits:

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

The bombing had started, too late for the fvckers to offer "to discuss".

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Brian Ross on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm

Tell me Soren, would you negotiate while someone was killing your citizens? ::)

What I've always found interesting is that the US upon several occasions before 11 September actually refused offers to hand over Usama bin Laden to them, from both the Afghani and Sudanese governments.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

The US was bombing sudan and Afghanistan even before sept 11.

So its weird how soren says that Afghanistan attacked first, when the US was bombing the afghans on a weekly basis.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:19am

911 attackers still alive

Abdulaziz Alomari

Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as the hijacker who accompanied Mohamed Atta from the connecting flight from Portland and helped him hijack and pilot Flight 11 into the North Tower. Abdulaziz told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: "The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York." 3 Saudi Embassy officials in Washington defended the innocence of Alomari, saying that his passport was stolen in 1996 and that he had reported the theft to the police. 4

Saeed Alghamdi

Saeed Alghamdi, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI of being a hijacker of Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. Alghamdi was "shocked and furious" to learn this three days after the attack, noting that his name, place of residence, date of birth, and occupation matched those described by the FBI. "You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive," said Alghamdi, who considered legal action against the FBI. 5

Salem Al-Hamzi

Al-Hamzi was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 77, thought to have crashed into the Pentagon. Al-Hamzi said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." 6

Ahmed Al-Nami

Al-Nami was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 93. Al-Nami said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." 7

Waleed Alshehri

Waleed Alshehri, a Saudi Arabian pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. Alshehri turned up in Morocco after the attack where he contacted both the Saudi and American authorities to tell them he was not involved in the attack. 8 9

Abdulrahman al-Omari

Abdulrahman al-Omari, a Saudi Airlines pilot, was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of Flight 11. After learning this, he visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation. 10

Ameer and Adnan Bukhari

Ameer and Adnan Bukhari were named by CNN as suspected hijackers of Flight 175, the jetliner which crashed into the South Tower, in an article dated 9/13/01. In a correction, CNN stated that Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash in Florida, and that Adnan was still alive in Florida, having passed a polygraph test to confirm his innocence. 11

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:24am

THE PROBLEMS OF MANKIND;
Its the fault of those damned Christian Nazis...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/10#10

Its the fault of those damned Christian Imperialists...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/11#11

Its the fault of those damned Christian Terrorists...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/12#12

ASK A MOSLEM;
Defending ISLAM is NOT terrorism.
[Christian/non-moslem] terrorism is caused when you Christians/non-moslems resist the will and the authority of the moslems.
And the terrorism we see in the world is your own Christian/non-moslem terrorism.

Google;
terrorism, is resisting islam

abu viewing osama positively
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/22#22

Quote:

....THOSE WHO RESIST ISLAM CAUSE WARS and are responsible for them.
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.....

'If only you Christians/non-moslems, would allow the moslems to rule over you, peace would descend upon mankind!
So you see!...
It is you Christians/non-moslems, who are causing all of the problems in the world today.
Honest!'

+++

'EXPLANATION';

Moslems kill infidels = = "WE MOSLEMS ARE LEGITIMATELY 'DEFENDING ISLAM'."

Moslems kill moslems [moslems who are being slaughtered [by moslems!!], are simply 'the wrong kind' of moslems. because they are moslem 'impersonators'] = = "WE MOSLEMS ARE LEGITIMATELY 'DEFENDING ISLAM', AGAINST THE CORRUPTION OF ISLAM ITSELF."

Infidels kill moslems [in retaliation for 'legitimate' moslem murder and violence against infidels] = = "THE INFIDELS ARE MURDERING AND OPPRESSING US INNOCENT MOSLEMS!!!"

And here in the West, if infidels incarcerate moslems [who are resident locally] who are planning mass murder bombing attacks in Western nations = = "THE INFIDELS ARE PERSECUTING AND OPPRESSING US INNOCENT MOSLEMS!!!"

Moslems kill infidels = = MOSLEMS ARE INNOCENT [or have been 'provoked'].

And when infidels try to DEFEND themselves from moslem religious violence [or any kind of moslem violence which is given 'religious' sanction by ISLAM] = = "WE MOSLEMS ARE BEING PERSECUTED, AND, THE INFIDELS WON'T ALLOW US INNOCENT MOSLEMS TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGION!!!"

The term; 'PRACTICE OUR RELIGION' = = INTIMIDATE, MURDER, SLAUGHTER, PEOPLE WHO RESIST MOSLEMS [aka, Allah's will].

e.g.
A case in Australia...

A group of moslems [but it is only a very tiny group of extremists! :P ] in Australia plan a mass casualty bombing at some sports ground on a grand final day [and the justification for this planned moslem atrocity in Australia ? ---->
'We moslems are defending ISLAM!!!!'].

When those moslems are brought to account, and convicted in a court of law, members of the moslem community scream; ---->
'Sending these moslems to prison, is persecution of our community and 'not fair' to our religion!!!'

abu viewing osama positively
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/23#23

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Bollocks

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Yadda on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am

THE PROBLEMS OF MANKIND;
Its the fault of those damned Christian Nazis...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/10#10

Its the fault of those damned Christian Imperialists...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/11#11

Its the fault of those damned Christian Terrorists...
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384868573/12#12

Moslems refuse to be accountable for the lawlessness [i.e. law breaking] and violence which is seen in ALL moslem communities [i.e. in all communities where moslems are present!].

And when you have the impertinence to confront a moslem with evidence of moslem wrongdoing and lawlessness;
It is always the same response;
Denial, lying, and deflection.

ASK A MOSLEM;
MOSLEMS, ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE.
TERRORISM IS SOMETHING WHICH ONLY INFIDELS DO.

abu viewing osama positively
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/22#22
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1304755026/23#23

Quote:

"Five Australian jihadists convicted - Sister, 'its not fair' "
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html

"..The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."

It was reported, that her brother liked to watch videos of moslems beheading non-moslems, and now he can't,
...for a very long time.

And it's just not fair!!

Australians laws are so unfair.

COMMENT;

This woman clearly identifies herself as a *moslem*.

And has clearly declared that *she believes*,

"...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."
As a moslem, this woman [along with all moslems] is effectively declaring;

"ISLAM gives us moslems the right to use violence to impose our value system upon you non-moslems.
Your non-moslem laws are illegal, and unjust.
And it is evil, and unjust, for you to use your laws to resist our Jihad, against you."

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:29am

wally1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:19am:

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Chimp_Logic on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:42am

soren = selective racist

where is your anti-Semitic rant soren you smelly hypocritical freak fascist racist weasel

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by True Colours on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:55am

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 8:30pm:

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.

The bombing had started, too late for the fvckers to offer "to discuss".

*Taliban made repeated offers to have Bin Laden put on trial prior to 11/9/2001
*Taliban made repeated offers to hand over Bin Laden after 11/9/2001
*Taliban offered to Hand over Bin Laden before US bombing campaign began.
*Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden even after US bombing campaign began.
*US rejects all negotiations with Taliban - even before 11/9/2001
*Bin Laden lives free to lead al-Qaeda for nearly one more decade because of US rejection of Taliban offers.

Conclusion: Bush did not really want to get Bin Laden. Bush was Born-again Christian nutter on a crusade

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br_70Kbdpow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUJRukYNS0c

Quote:

Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

Former minister says group was prepared to see bin Laden put on trial prior to 9/11, but US was not interested.

The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.

Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Taliban’s last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader...

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html

Quote:

On 2 October 2001, US President George W Bush again rejected a Taliban appeal for discussions. "There is no timetable for the Taliban, just like there are no negotiations,"

On 7 October the first air strikes began.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/the_us_refuses_to_negotiate_with_the_taliban

Quote:

US Rejects New Taliban Offer

14 Oct 2001

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80482

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:33am

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Bollocks

Good to see you refusing to let facts intrude on your ignorance! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 11:35am

True Colours wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

*Taliban offered to Hand over Bin Laden before US bombing campaign began.
*Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden even after US bombing campaign began.

Bollocks.

You have shown only that they offered to put him on trial in Afghanistan, before a sharia court under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference.

They never offered him to the US. They considered asking Bin Laden to leave voluntarily. But never actually asked him.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by gandalf on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm

From the Al Jazeera article:

Quote:

Afghanistan's seat at the United Nations at the time was occupied by the anti-Taliban resistance, led by Burhanuddin Rabbani, the country's ousted president

Quote:

"They [al-Qaeda] were people from the time of Jihad, and Rabbani’s government brought them back into the country. The Taliban simply inherited them," Muttawakil said.

So just to be clear, Afghanistan's officially recognised government was led by the guy who invited bin Laden back to Afghanistan on a chartered flight. Yet the group that merely inherited bin Laden were the ones blamed for having bin Laden in the country. :P

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:15pm

"the guys who inherited" him had the power to turn him over or to shelter him. They were the de facto rulers of the country. Bin Laden couldn't have stayed without their nod.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:44pm

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 11:35am:

True Colours wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

*Taliban offered to Hand over Bin Laden before US bombing campaign began.
*Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden even after US bombing campaign began.

Whether bin ladin handed him self him, America was hell bent on attacking Afghanistan.

They would of still attacked.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 3:53pm

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:15pm:

"the guys who inherited" him had the power to turn him over or to shelter him. They were the de facto rulers of the country. Bin Laden couldn't have stayed without their nod.

The point is, they tried to hand him over but Washington kept rejecting their offers!

Looks to me like they were damned if they did or damned if they didn't. Like all bigots, your prejudices prevent you, like the US Government, acting sensibly! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by gandalf on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:18pm

wally1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:44pm:

Whether bin ladin handed him self him, America was hell bent on attacking Afghanistan.

They would of still attacked.

Indeed. The US took the emotional response, not the smart response. The smart response would have been to get the taliban on side and work with them hunting down bin Laden and other key AQ figures. All the evidence indicates the taliban would have been more than willing to cooperate.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:38pm

wally1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:44pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 11:35am:

True Colours wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:55am:

*Taliban offered to Hand over Bin Laden before US bombing campaign began.
*Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden even after US bombing campaign began.

Whether bin ladin handed him self him, America was hell bent on attacking Afghanistan.

They would of still attacked.

Bollocks.

They attacked Afghanistan because the Talibs were hell-bent on defying the US demand to hand over the Al Qaeda big-shots.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 5:18pm:

All the evidence indicates the taliban would have been more than willing to cooperate.

Well, all the evidence actually shows that they did everything - short of actually cooperating.

They thought it was another day in the bazaar, endless haggling, endless 'ten for that you must be mad'.

As for 'emotional' reaction, you and the Talibs and the rest of the appeasers were/are mad to imagine that the American response to something like that would/could have been some quiet diplomacy and backroom deals.

Nobody would tolerate something like the September 11 attacks. It's one thing to attack US embassies in Africa, and and an entirely different thing to fly American passener planes into the heart of America.
To imagine that the US would have just absorb it and started negotiations with a bunch of atavistic bearded fvckers is lunacy.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:33am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Bollocks

Good to see you refusing to let facts intrude on your ignorance! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

What facts, Tits? Do you have any?

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by gandalf on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:58am

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:50pm:

As for 'emotional' reaction, you and the Talibs and the rest of the appeasers were/are mad to imagine that the American response to something like that would/could have been some quiet diplomacy and backroom deals.

I don't imagine at all. I'm only saying it would be the smart response - not the expected response.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 7:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 6:58am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:50pm:

I don't imagine at all. I'm only saying it would be the smart response - not the expected response.

Muslims burn down embassies, newspaper offices and behead and blow up innocents for a lot less.

SO please, no smug lectures by Muslims about smart behaviour.

Ta.

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by wally1 on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 10:10am

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Hot Breath on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:41pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:33am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Bollocks

Good to see you refusing to let facts intrude on your ignorance! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

What facts, Tits? Do you have any?

See what I mean? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: Here in Australia, if you drive past a mosque,
Post by Soren on Nov 24^th, 2013 at 9:42am

|dev|null wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 9:41pm:

|dev|null wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:33am:

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 8:27am:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

Bollocks

Good to see you refusing to let facts intrude on your ignorance! :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

What facts, Tits? Do you have any?

See what I mean? :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Lovely pair of facts you've got there Tits.