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Syrians told to eat dogs and cats as video shows starving children in Damascus Muslim clerics in Syria have issued a fatwa permitting people to eat cats, dogs and donkeys, as graphic new footage shows the effects of malnutrition on starving children caught up in the country's civil war. The ruling has been broadcast from mosques in besieged areas on the outskirts of Damascus. Much of the area is under the control of rebels, triggering daily bombardments from government forces trying to win it back. Government forces have also tried to block food and other relief supplies getting through. The clerics say it is a cry for help to the whole world, adding that if the situation continues to deteriorate, the living could have to eat the dead. Syria fundraising appeal The ABC has partnered with the UNHCR to host a fundraising appeal for victims of the Syrian conflict. Tune in to ABC local radio this Sunday for a special live broadcast on the crisis from 12:00pm AEDT. The drastic measure comes as Muslims around the world mark the Eid al-Adha holiday, sharing festive meals. For Muslims, Eid is a time for children to receive new clothes and play with friends after sharing a festive meal with their families. But in some areas of Damascus, children have died from severe malnutrition and activists say food has all but run out, with doctors lacking the means to treat their patients. "Of course there is no Eid for the children here," activist Abu Malek said in Moadamiyet al-Sham, a suburb south-west of Damascus. "For them, Eid will come when they see a plate of rice and bulgur." [...] http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/starving-syrians-told-to-eat-cats2c-dogs-and-donkeys/5025102

Interesting when you consider that muslims regard dogs as unclean (not as unclean as the kaffir). Muslims consider donations to Syrian muslims by kaffirs as being halal but still regard kaffirs as unclean.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

So why are they in this state, is it another sectarian battle between rival sects of Islam that has been going on since the battle of the camel?

I thought it was haram for a muslim to kill another muslim, the death toll in Syria,Pakistan,Iraq,Bahrain from sectarian differences in the last few decades proves that is a myth.

We could pick a side to back and bomb the other side into submission or we could mock and ridicule them hoping they will wake up and stop slaughtering each other which would you prefer we do?

As for dogs we consider them to be mans best friend,they can be trained to do fantastic things, if you lock your wife and dog in the boot of your car which one do you think will be happy to see you when you open it?

As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf?

Quote:

Allah's messenger ordered that the dogs should be killed. www.sunnah.com/bukhari/59/129

Quote:

The messenger of allah commanded that dogs be killed, then he said- What do they use dogs for? Then he permitted them to keep hunting dogs. www.sunnah.com/urn/1273060

For some reason Mo did not like black dogs, perhaps he was a racist

Quote:

The prophet of allah ordered to kill dogs, afterwards he forbade to kill them saying :confine yourselves to the type which is black. www.sunnah.com/abudawud/17/3

Do Islamic laws come from a wise all knowing god or some fraud an imposter a charlatan who was making it up as he went along?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

No Western infidel has been involved in the production of this particular horrific Muslim civil war.

The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people. Considering the last 20 (or 1400) years during which Muslims have inflicted bloody mayhem on the West in the name of Islam, it is perhaps permissible to sit back and point out that THIS time, Muslims are inflicting bloody mayhem on themselves, pretty much for identical motivations, and to point out how smacking ridiculous they have been all along when claiming some bogus victim status at the hands of the West.

In short, you have nobody but yourselves to blame for Syria. You can't pin it on anyone but yourselves.
Will you wear it or own it?
Not in a million years. Your victim status, like the Koran, is unalterable (until the Final Solution Submission)

You may well hang on to your victim status, like the last refuge of latter day Muslim scoundrels,  because you have absolutely no credibility to hang on to.i

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 7:35pm:

As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf?

Good point Baron. these people are in such a diabolic situation that they are desperate enough to eat what is otherwise considered unfit to eat - what a wonderful opportunity to sneer and jeer at them right?


Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:01pm:

The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people.

Of course they are. Muslims do buggered up things to muslims - do you want a smacking medal for this brilliant observation S?

For once can we think of the humanity? People are suffering unspeakable horror here, and I think its simply despicable for you people to use this as an opportunity to mock these poor people and say "hahahaha - stupid muslims are starving, and they're eating dogs now - ROFL"

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 7:35pm: As for dogs what does Islam say about them Gandalf? Good point Baron. these people are in such a diabolic situation that they are desperate enough to eat what is otherwise considered unfit to eat - what a wonderful opportunity to sneer and jeer at them right? Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 9:01pm: The horrific state these Muslim people are facing is entirely the making of ...er... these Muslim people. Of course they are. Muslims do buggered up things to muslims - do you want a smacking medal for this brilliant observation S? For once can we think of the humanity? People are suffering unspeakable horror here, and I think its simply despicable for you people to use this as an opportunity to mock these poor people and say "hahahaha - stupid muslims are starving, and they're eating dogs now - ROFL"

Who  would want a world-wide Muslim ummah, seeing what Muslims do to each other for no good reason?

You are blind, Gandy - your entire Islamophobe, Muslim victimhood meme (can I used that or have you copyrighted the term?) is shot to pieces in Syria by Muslims!!!

Islam's credibility has been massacred in Syria for the last 2 years for all the useful idiots who have been holding out since September 11, 2001.  You have no excuse any more, Islam is just not smacking peaceful. Face it. You have been knowingly peddling a barefaced lie about all that.

There is FVCKALL special or exceptional or otherwise exclusive about Islam. You are as flawed as everyone else. Islam is no smacking royal road to anything.

So submitting to Islam is for idiots. You might as well submit to a bus timetable.

Is it strawman night tonight Soren?

Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person.

I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.


Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more.



Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace???

What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more. Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace??? What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country?

Same one the English brought.  Same one the Irish brought, Soren.   It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia.    ::) ::)

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Is it strawman night tonight Soren? Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person. I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person. Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

gandalf,

Interesting.

That you are prepared to demonstrate, to put on public display in this forum, your irrationality.

[...and yet you are unable to acknowledge that irrationality, to yourself.]





What irrationality ???

gandalf concedes,
"I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria...."

And yet, you refuse to acknowledge the REAL relationship, between ISLAM, and the despicable behaviour of moslems, in the world.

You refuse to acknowledge, that it is ISLAM, that is responsible for the violent, immoral behaviour of moslems.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

Is it strawman night tonight Soren? Save your breath - its the wrong meme to the wrong person. I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person. Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

Don't tell me that this is another case of the peaceful, law-abiding majority being once again inexplicably dominated by the tiny minority of Jewish, Western, atheist, salafists who sprung up from god-knows-where, are a tiny minority and yet set the agenda once again for the vast sea of Muslims??

Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', right?

Victimhood, innit.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:30pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more. Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace??? What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country? Same one the English brought.  Same one the Irish brought, Soren.   It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia.    ::) ::)

Really? You are aware of comparable Anglo-Irish conflicts since 1788? There has been even remotely comparable sectarian conflict in Australia?

Do tell us about them because they are not in the books.

As an academic, you must have superior insight no?

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:32pm: Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:30pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more. Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace??? What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country? Same one the English brought.  Same one the Irish brought, Soren.   It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia.    ::) ::) Really? You are aware of comparable Anglo-Irish conflicts since 1788? There has been even remotely comparable sectarian conflict in Australia? Do tell us about them because they are not in the books. As an academic, you must have superior insight no?

Before ~1960, Australian society was riven by sectarian and racial division, primarily between the descendants of the Anglican English and the Catholic Irish.   Apart from the revolt of Vinegar Hill in 1798 and the anti-Conscription referenda and riots of WWI, it never flared into open warfare but the level of discrimination was high.  It caused the split of the ALP several times (Conscription in WWI, the DLP in the 1950s).   It was often most evident in the fields of Education and the Public Service.  Catholic Schools received no government funding whereas Anglican Schools did.   In the (primarily State but not exclusively so) Public Service, it was impossible for Catholics to rise beyond base grades.   It was also evidence on the streets where gangs of kids from opposing schools often confronted each other on the basis of their religion.

Then it all faded away.  Barely remembered by most Australians.  That of course doesn't mean it didn't exist, Soren.  It did.  My own father, a Catholic was a victim of it in the 1950s.   As for it "not being in the books", I'd recommend reading Thomas Kenneally's "The Indelible Stain" which is an exploration of the Catholic experience in Australia.   The ABC has made several documentaries on the issue of State Aid to Catholic Schools in the 1960s.  This is the website of one of them.

So, Soren, as I pointed out, it's not as if sectarian conflict is exactly alien to Australian society...   ::)

Soren wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Don't tell me that this is another case of the peaceful, law-abiding majority being once again inexplicably dominated by the tiny minority of Jewish, Western, atheist, salafists who sprung up from god-knows-where, are a tiny minority and yet set the agenda once again for the vast sea of Muslims?? Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', right? Victimhood, innit.

You'd just love me to say the complete opposite to what I'm actually saying wouldn't you?

Muslims are to blame for this mess - namely the foreigners that the fake Saudi and Qatari regimes are pumping in with the specific aim of destabilizing the once stable secular nation.

But that is not the topic of the discussion - the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

Quote:

"Muslim clerics in Syria have issued a fatwa permitting people to eat cats, dogs and donkeys,..."

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

....the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

gandalf,

The topic of this thread is NOT about mocking starving people.


The lack of integrity, displayed by moslems, is the topic of this thread.

And you, gandalf [like every moslem], you, are blind your own infidelity.



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Allah's PERFECT law declares that dogs are Haram [forbidden] creatures.

And so, to the moslem, dogs are Haram [forbidden], "....FOREVER AND EVER, Allah Akbar!!!!"

"Dogs?

They are filthy creatures!!!! SPit, spit!!!! Allah Akbar!!!!"



Dogs, are;
Haram [forbidden] today, Halal tomorrow.




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ISLAM = = Mohammedanism

A moslem is a follower of Mohammed.


Q.
What was Mohammed's example, to moslems ???

A.
Mohammed was a 'man for all seasons'.

[Yadda....]

Quote:

Read the Hadith, in the Hadith, Muhammad reveals his 'nature'. He reveals himself to be an oath breaker, and 'a man for all seasons'. ".....By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.067.427 "......If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.089.260 In the following Hadith, Mohammed himself sets the example, for the use of deceit, "Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

And in following Mohammed's example, every moslem too, is a 'man for all seasons'.

A moslem will tell any lie.

A moslem will break any covenant.

A moslem will lay down, with any whore.



And why so ?

Because moslems are Kuffar [infidel = = infidelity].

Dogs;
Haram [forbidden] today, Halal tomorrow.

A moslem would not know integrity, if it bit him on the ar se.





see also....
"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0


see also....
Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

see also....
re 'Our prophet, our honour'
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1348892179/68#68

Quote:

In my experience, moslems only 'understand' what is pertinent to the moment. Moslems are 'men for all seasons'. i.e. "Which way is the wind blowing today ?" IMO, moslems will always wait for a 'favourable' wind, before they 'reveal' themselves. " The Prophet said, "War is deceit." " bukhari/ #004.052.269

Alright Y., so the "correct" course of action by these clerics would be to demand that starving kids starve and insist - by use of force if necessary - that these kids be denied whatever sustenance is available of them to save their lives.

At least they would be showing integrity right?  :P

By the way, I don't think there would be any islamic scholar who would argue that if the choice was between eating haram and death, you must choose death. In fact such an act would almost certainly be considered haram itself.

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I’d rather eat pig than dog! Dogs are useful, unlike Muslims! Pigs taste way better than dogs (going by testimony of Antarctic explorers like Mawson who occasionally had to eat a sled dog or two when rations ran out.) Pig tastes wonderful as pork, ham or bacon or salami or sausage etc. They are also very clean animals!

Mind you, donkey might be nice to eat, given some cultures eat horseflesh (apparently I ate horsemeat one time as a child in Holland, couldn’t swear to that or tell you what it tasted like.) Mum said cats (which all disappeared in the Hungerwinter of 1944-5 in the provinces of North and South Holland) tasted sweet, nicer than rabbits.

Tulip bulbs, which Mum also ate that Hungerwinter, taste horrible, “burned” when you swallowed them.

People will eat what they can when starving. No prick better try to tell me what I can or can’t eat in starvation conditions.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

Muslims are to blame for this mess - namely the foreigners that the fake Saudi and Qatari regimes are pumping in with the specific aim of destabilizing the once stable secular nation. But that is not the topic of the discussion - the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

What about the 5 aussie muslims who have been killed fighting in Syria,DFAT says we have over 100 aussie muslims fighting in Syria why do you leave them out when blaming Saudis and Qatar?

Why are dogs considered unclean, is that more superstitious crap from muslims?

Quote:

Allah's apostle said If a dog drinks from the utensil of anyone of you it is essential to wash it 7 times. www.sunnah.com/bukhari/4/38

Why do they have to wash it 7 times surely doing it once properly should be enough.


Quote:

The messenger of Allah said- If a dog licks a vessel then wash it 7 times,and rub it the 8th time with dust. www.sunnah.com/urn/1000670

Muslims dont really own dogs do they Gandalf, are the dogs that will be consumed the pet of some christian or non muslim?

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

By the way, I don't think there would be any islamic scholar who would argue that if the choice was between eating haram and death, you must choose death. In fact such an act would almost certainly be considered haram itself.

Muslims are allowed to eat pork and other non halal meat if the choice is that or nothing.

St George of the Garden wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

I’d rather eat pig than dog! Dogs are useful, unlike Muslims! Pigs taste way better than dogs (going by testimony of Antarctic explorers like Mawson who occasionally had to eat a sled dog or two when rations ran out.) Pig tastes wonderful as pork, ham or bacon or salami or sausage etc. They are also very clean animals! .

The New Guinea natives did describe white man as long pig to indicate what we taste like.

The Aboriginals living the tribal life while claiming centrelink in NW Australia eat feral cats they say they taste good.

I ate guinea pig in Peru.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

Alright Y., so the "correct" course of action by these clerics would be to demand that starving kids starve and insist - by use of force if necessary - that these kids be denied whatever sustenance is available of them to save their lives. At least they would be showing integrity right?  :P

gandalf,

It is your holy Koran [and Allah's very words], which make the claim that all pure moslems are the people of integrity and true belief ???

1/ Isn't it ?

2/ Isn't it ?

3/ Isn't it ?


"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110


"YES, let us moslems eat [cursed] dogs, just to prove to the whole world, how we moslems are enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong."       

:P        :P        :P





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gandalf,

Religious integrity <> moslems.

Religious integrity <> ISLAM.




gandalf,

1/ If devout moslems in Syria, are in hot conflict with infidels [i.e. 'infidels' = = fellow moslems whom are deemed to be infidels], and if those 'rightly guided' moslems are not prevailing, then isn't that Allah's will [ACCORDING TO YOUR RELIGION] ?

2/ And if devout moslems are in hot conflict with infidels, and if the 'rightly guided' moslems are suffering privations [i.e. death and hunger, due to lack of food], then isn't that Allah's will [...ACCORDING TO YOUR RELIGION] ?

3/ And aren't moslems obligated to be prepared to sacrifice their lives, in fighting for Allah's religion, isn't that true [...ACCORDING TO YOUR RELIGION] ?





But instead, the moslems in Syria, are seen to be rejecting Allah's will!

And instead of maintaining their own 'religious integrity', the devout moslems in Syria [who are in hot conflict with infidels, and have no food], are going to IGNORE THEIR RELIGION, and going to eat a cursed animal ???

Q.
And why ???

A.
BECAUSE, the devout moslems in Syria [WHO ARE IN CONFLICT WITH INFIDELS ALLAH's ENEMIES, AND FIGHTING IN IN ALLAH's CAUSE], are not prepared to die for Allah!





gandalf,

Just to remind >> you << about what it means to be a REAL moslem;

Please watch this YT...         goto 47 secs
Mohamed Morsi-
"The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path -
AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg





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gandalf said,

Quote:

By the way, I don't think there would be any islamic scholar who would argue that if the choice was between eating haram and death, you must choose death. In fact such an act would almost certainly be considered haram itself.

1/ Infidelity, your name is, ...moslem.

2/ Infidelity, your name is, ...moslem.

3/ Infidelity, your name is, ...moslem.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

What about the 5 aussie muslims who have been killed fighting in Syria,DFAT says we have over 100 aussie muslims fighting in Syria why do you leave them out when blaming Saudis and Qatar?

Oh FFS - I blame any and every muslim who goes in to Syria to stir up trouble and contribute to the carnage we are seeing now. Is that ok??


Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

"YES, let us moslems eat [cursed] dogs, just to prove to the whole world, how we moslems are enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong."

Funny, I just thought it was a case of desperate people doing what it takes to prevent starvation.

Islam permits consuming haram food in order to prevent death. I really don't see what your problem is here Y.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:32pm: "YES, let us moslems eat [cursed] dogs, just to prove to the whole world, how we moslems are enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong." Funny, I just thought it was a case of desperate people doing what it takes to prevent starvation. Islam permits consuming haram food in order to prevent death. I really don't see what your problem is here Y.

Well, if Allah and Mohammed have declared dogs to be cursed creatures....

....but moslem clerics [who's moslem children are starving] say that it is OK for moslems to eat the meat of cursed creatures, then it must be OK.

ISLAM is your religion gandalf.




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Instead of going against Allah's religion, wouldn't those devout moslems rather use their own children, as suicide bombers, to kill Allah's enemies ???

[ Oh yes!
Moslems already do that too.
But often, the moslems entice orphans [i.e. the children of other moslems] to commit such holy tasks.  ]



Google;
muslim children suicide


Google;
muslim children for martyrdom



https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=841&q=muslim+children+suicide

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:32pm: "YES, let us moslems eat [cursed] dogs, just to prove to the whole world, how we moslems are enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong." Funny, I just thought it was a case of desperate people doing what it takes to prevent starvation. Islam permits consuming haram food in order to prevent death. I really don't see what your problem is here Y.

gandalf,

The religion of ISLAM is very rational and easy to understand;

1/ Eating haram [cursed] creatures, to save your life = = HALAL.

2/ AND, killing yourself [becoming a holy suicide bomber] to kill the enemies of Allah = = HALAL.

          :P          :P          :P


So killing yourself [in 'the cause of Allah'] is halal.

And doing what you must, to save your life, is also halal ?

Which is it gandalf ?

Or is it both, gandalf ?






"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

AND, killing yourself [becoming a holy suicide bomber] to kill the enemies of Allah = = HALAL.

bullsh!t

Yadda wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 2:19pm: Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:32pm: "YES, let us moslems eat [cursed] dogs, just to prove to the whole world, how we moslems are enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong." Funny, I just thought it was a case of desperate people doing what it takes to prevent starvation. Islam permits consuming haram food in order to prevent death. I really don't see what your problem is here Y. gandalf, The religion of ISLAM is very rational and easy to understand; 1/ Eating haram [cursed] creatures, to save your life = = HALAL. 2/ AND, killing yourself [becoming a holy suicide bomber] to kill the enemies of Allah = = HALAL.           :P          :P          :P So killing yourself [in 'the cause of Allah'] is halal. And doing what you must, to save your life, is also halal ? Which is it gandalf ? Or is it both, gandalf ? "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...." Koran 9.111

If people stayed out of other people countries then there wouldnt be suicide bombings.Just my opinion.

If korea or china attacked australia I would do anything to defend it.

And the muslims who get there houses blown up and family killed have right to defend there country any way they can.

salad in wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 3:06pm:

Quote: Syrians told to eat dogs and cats as video shows starving children in Damascus Muslim clerics in Syria have issued a fatwa permitting people to eat cats, dogs and donkeys, as graphic new footage shows the effects of malnutrition on starving children caught up in the country's civil war. The ruling has been broadcast from mosques in besieged areas on the outskirts of Damascus. Much of the area is under the control of rebels, triggering daily bombardments from government forces trying to win it back. Government forces have also tried to block food and other relief supplies getting through. The clerics say it is a cry for help to the whole world, adding that if the situation continues to deteriorate, the living could have to eat the dead. Syria fundraising appeal The ABC has partnered with the UNHCR to host a fundraising appeal for victims of the Syrian conflict. Tune in to ABC local radio this Sunday for a special live broadcast on the crisis from 12:00pm AEDT. The drastic measure comes as Muslims around the world mark the Eid al-Adha holiday, sharing festive meals. For Muslims, Eid is a time for children to receive new clothes and play with friends after sharing a festive meal with their families. But in some areas of Damascus, children have died from severe malnutrition and activists say food has all but run out, with doctors lacking the means to treat their patients. "Of course there is no Eid for the children here," activist Abu Malek said in Moadamiyet al-Sham, a suburb south-west of Damascus. "For them, Eid will come when they see a plate of rice and bulgur." [...] [-eat-cats2c-dogs-and-donkeys/5025102[/url] Interesting when you consider that muslims regard dogs as unclean (not as unclean as the kaffir). Muslims consider donations to Syrian muslims by kaffirs as being halal but still regard kaffirs as unclean.

Birom Christians eat Roasted flesh of Muslims they Killed in Jos, Nigeria


NewsRescue- Jos, is one of the greatest epicenters of Muslim-Christian hate and intolerance in Nigeria. Roughly torn between Muslims and Christians, it is at the epicenter of sectarian violence.

North Nigeria as a whole is stricken with some of the highest poverty levels in the world. With a 70-89% poverty level, this region compares with countries like Somalia, Eritrea and Bangladesh, while in contrast, South Nigeria, responsible for 90% of Nigeria’s bank deposits and loans, compares economically to countries like China and Korea. Due to the poverty prevalence figures, Nigeria’s former Central bank governor, Professor Soludo rightly concluded that the nation’s “very high level of poverty is essentially a Northern Phenomenon”

It is well known that poverty, ignorance and disease are a dangerous triad. This deadly ignorance was again demonstrated on the 28th of August 2011, as Birom (Berom) Christians were recorded in these videos, eating Muslims they had killed and roasted.

The event occurred when Christians surrounded Muslims observing their Eid annual holy devotion. Due to a miscommunication with the police, there was no usual requested security at the venue, a necessity in polar Jos. Christian youth surrounded the praying Muslims, burned their cars, pelted them and then killed, roasted and ate some.

At a point as the flesh is being roasted, someone says in Hausa language “…ni zuciyan na ke so…” meaning: “I want the heart”, while another person goes further to ask “…ka sa gishiri?” meaning: “…did you put some salt”?

The large crowd’s visible complicity and excitement as they eagerly anticipate their cannibalistic feast, marks a descent in our collective sense of humanity in Nigeria. What I find most ironic is that these butchers and party are communicating in Hausa language, the language of their slain “enemy” or rather, their “meal” and not their own native berom language. The presence of a police vehicle in the area where the “feasting” and cannibalism on slaughtered Muslims is taking place raises questions. The police should be protecting people, maintaining law and order and stopping any criminal activity from taking place, shouldn’t they? Of course as the video shows, this is not the case.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 3:22pm: AND, killing yourself [becoming a holy suicide bomber] to kill the enemies of Allah = = HALAL. bullsh!t

If it was haram then they would not get the houris and rivers of wine in the afterlife which sounds like a brothel combined with a pub.

If you call it a suicide attack you dont get those houris and the everlasting erection to service them, suicide is haram, if you call it a martyrdom operation then it becomes halal.

wally1 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:13pm:

Birom Christians eat Roasted flesh of Muslims they Killed in Jos, Nigeria NewsRescue- Jos, is one of the greatest epicenters of Muslim-Christian hate and intolerance in Nigeria. Roughly torn between Muslims and Christians, it is at the epicenter of sectarian violence. North Nigeria as a whole is stricken with some of the highest poverty levels in the world. With a 70-89% poverty level, this region compares with countries like Somalia, Eritrea and Bangladesh, while in contrast, South Nigeria, responsible for 90% of Nigeria’s bank deposits and loans, compares economically to countries like China and Korea. Due to the poverty prevalence figures, Nigeria’s former Central bank governor, Professor Soludo rightly concluded that the nation’s “very high level of poverty is essentially a Northern Phenomenon” It is well known that poverty, ignorance and disease are a dangerous triad. This deadly ignorance was again demonstrated on the 28th of August 2011, as Birom (Berom) Christians were recorded in these videos, eating Muslims they had killed and roasted The event occurred when Christians surrounded Muslims observing their Eid annual holy devotion. Due to a miscommunication with the police, there was no usual requested security at the venue, a necessity in polar Jos. Christian youth surrounded the praying Muslims, burned their cars, pelted them and then killed, roasted and ate some.

Are you going to cite your source for that wally or did you pluck it from your ass?

So who started this trouble that has been going on for quite some time in Nigeria?


Quote:

2002:Riots force Miss world out of Nigeria The miss world contest is moving to London from Nigeria after riots by muslim  youths left 215 people dead and 500 injured. On 22nd march this year, a 31 year old woman was sentenced to be stoned to death by an Islamic court for bearing a child out of wedlock after she was raped. news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/23/newsid_3226000/3226740.stm

I think I ate cat when I was in China.

Government pounds kill a lot of cats and dogs in Australia. Provided they can make the food safe to eat, we should be allowed to eat it.

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 4:54pm:

wally1 wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 4:13pm: Birom Christians eat Roasted flesh of Muslims they Killed in Jos, Nigeria NewsRescue- Jos, is one of the greatest epicenters of Muslim-Christian hate and intolerance in Nigeria. Roughly torn between Muslims and Christians, it is at the epicenter of sectarian violence. North Nigeria as a whole is stricken with some of the highest poverty levels in the world. With a 70-89% poverty level, this region compares with countries like Somalia, Eritrea and Bangladesh, while in contrast, South Nigeria, responsible for 90% of Nigeria’s bank deposits and loans, compares economically to countries like China and Korea. Due to the poverty prevalence figures, Nigeria’s former Central bank governor, Professor Soludo rightly concluded that the nation’s “very high level of poverty is essentially a Northern Phenomenon” It is well known that poverty, ignorance and disease are a dangerous triad. This deadly ignorance was again demonstrated on the 28th of August 2011, as Birom (Berom) Christians were recorded in these videos, eating Muslims they had killed and roasted The event occurred when Christians surrounded Muslims observing their Eid annual holy devotion. Due to a miscommunication with the police, there was no usual requested security at the venue, a necessity in polar Jos. Christian youth surrounded the praying Muslims, burned their cars, pelted them and then killed, roasted and ate some. Are you going to cite your source for that wally or did you pluck it from your ass? So who started this trouble that has been going on for quite some time in Nigeria? Quote: 2002:Riots force Miss world out of Nigeria The miss world contest is moving to London from Nigeria after riots by muslim  youths left 215 people dead and 500 injured. On 22nd march this year, a 31 year old woman was sentenced to be stoned to death by an Islamic court for bearing a child out of wedlock after she was raped. news.

This forum needs 100 posts before I can post links, why don't you get off your ass and find the source.

I would post the link if it wasn't for the stupid 100 post rule.

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 11:41pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:58pm: Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:32pm: Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:30pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more. Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace??? What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country? Same one the English brought.  Same one the Irish brought, Soren.   It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia.    ::) ::) Really? You are aware of comparable Anglo-Irish conflicts since 1788? There has been even remotely comparable sectarian conflict in Australia? Do tell us about them because they are not in the books. As an academic, you must have superior insight no? Before ~1960, Australian society was riven by sectarian and racial division, primarily between the descendants of the Anglican English and the Catholic Irish.   Apart from the revolt of Vinegar Hill in 1798 and the anti-Conscription referenda and riots of WWI, it never flared into open warfare but the level of discrimination was high.  It caused the split of the ALP several times (Conscription in WWI, the DLP in the 1950s).   It was often most evident in the fields of Education and the Public Service.  Catholic Schools received no government funding whereas Anglican Schools did.   In the (primarily State but not exclusively so) Public Service, it was impossible for Catholics to rise beyond base grades.   It was also evidence on the streets where gangs of kids from opposing schools often confronted each other on the basis of their religion. Then it all faded away.  Barely remembered by most Australians.  That of course doesn't mean it didn't exist, Soren.  It did.  My own father, a Catholic was a victim of it in the 1950s.   As for it "not being in the books", I'd recommend reading Thomas Kenneally's "The Indelible Stain" which is an exploration of the Catholic experience in Australia.   The ABC has made several documentaries on the issue of State Aid to Catholic Schools in the 1960s.  This is the website of one of them. So, Soren, as I pointed out, it's not as if sectarian conflict is exactly alien to Australian society...   ::)

Unbelievably, you think anyone would accept this as comparable to what has been happening in the Muslim world.
The conflicts in the Muslim world are not the same as the Catholic/Protestant tensions in Australia by any stretch of even your most feverish imagination.
Even Northern Ireland wasn't remotely as bad as what has been going on in Islam since Mohammed's death and the killing of the first few caliphs, let alone what has been happening there since the end of the cold war.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am:

Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Don't tell me that this is another case of the peaceful, law-abiding majority being once again inexplicably dominated by the tiny minority of Jewish, Western, atheist, salafists who sprung up from god-knows-where, are a tiny minority and yet set the agenda once again for the vast sea of Muslims?? Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', right? Victimhood, innit. You'd just love me to say the complete opposite to what I'm actually saying wouldn't you? Muslims are to blame for this mess - namely the foreigners that the fake Saudi and Qatari regimes are pumping in with the specific aim of destabilizing the once stable secular nation. But that is not the topic of the discussion - the topic here is about mocking starving people for being "hypocritical" for preferring to save themselves by eating what would otherwise be considered unclean.

Syria is a proxi war between the Sunnis and the Shia and the other odds and sods of sectarian Islam. The religion of peace has never been able conduct its own affairs in peace. The trouble started with the murder of the first few successors of Mohammed by the followers of Mohammed. And it hasn't changed since

Muslims are still fighting the battles of the early caliphates, they are still fighting the battles of that first schism that set the sunnis and the shia against each other the day after Mohammed died. That's 1400 years ago. You have been fighting yourselves for 1400 years over the same trivial legalistic nonsense and you cannot move on.

And you want to export it to the rest of the world.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them.

Like the poor, the Muslim victims of Islam's civil war have always been with us.

It would be nice to see Muslim working towards reconciliation and ecumenical understanding, like the Christians have been doing for some time, with evident success.
But that is asking tribal, pre-modern societies to act like non-tribal, modern societies.
But how can Muslim societies think modern whn they have Islam on the brain. Not possible. You can't be BOTH modern AND hold up a 7th century warlord's example as the best for humanity.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 17^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 3:22pm: AND, killing yourself [becoming a holy suicide bomber] to kill the enemies of Allah = = HALAL. bullsh!t

NOT, bullsh!t




We have been over this ground previously gandalf;

ISLAM does promote and encourage martyrdom [seeking ones own death], in fighting in Allah's cause, against Allah's enemies.


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. "
Koran 9.111



Blasphemy laws an impediment to Islamic reform
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1360382901/26#26

Quote:

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053 "The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054 "The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072 "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046 i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'. And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

I blame muslims entirely for the tragedy in Syria. I blame the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters - illegitimate regimes that need to be wiped off the face of this earth. You're picking a fight with the wrong person. Sorry to disappoint you, but I won't defend or apologise for muslims for whats happening in Syria - they are entirely to blame. But on the same token, I also won't stand by while the victims of these salafist scum are sneered and jeered at by holier-than-thou spectators like Baron and salad-in - just because they are starving so much that they are prepared to eat what otherwise would be considered unclean.

'Illegitimate' regimes....    ???


gandalf,

You speak to us, as though "the foreign salafists and their Saudi and Qatari masters" were somehow, not rightly guided moslems ???






gandalf,

e.g.
Here is a sample of the type of moslem, Ex-pres Morsi is;

Please watch this YT...         goto 47 secs
Mohamed Morsi-
"The Koran is our constitution -The Prophet Muhammad is our leader Jihad is our path -
AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg



gandalf,

In that YT video,
watch Morsi,
watch the words coming out of Morsi's mouth,
watch the moslem crowd revelling to the words, which Morsi is speaking.




gandalf,

A simple question;

IS [EX-PRES OF EGYPT] MORSI A [typical] RIGHTLY GUIDED MOSLEM ?



And gandalf, if you say that [Ex-pres of Egypt] Morsi is not a [typical] rightly guided moslem, then are you going to try to claim that that [Ex-pres of Egypt] Morsi is contradicting ISLAM, in urging the moslem crowd, that "....DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!" ???


And what about that crowd, gandalf ?

Are all of those people in the crowd [all of the ones applauding Morsi], NOT rightly guided moslems ?







And gandalf, one final question;
If [Ex-pres of Egypt] Morsi, and all of those people in the crowd, are NOT rightly guided moslems,
then who is it that is NOT rightly guiding them ?

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 16^th, 2013 at 10:32pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 10:30pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:45pm: Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Quite disgusting that you use the horrific state these people are facing inflicting on each other as an opportunity to ridicule and smear them. Well, Gandy, we have had 2 years to avoid the question - why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace -but it is not possible to keep quiet any more. Why are Muslims killing each other if Islam is the religion of peace??? What conflicts do Muslims bring into this country? Same one the English brought.  Same one the Irish brought, Soren.   It's not as if we have no experience of sectarian conflict in Australia.    ::) ::)

That’s true, but I do find the Nazi ones like the old boy have been quite peaceful.

In this country.

Lucky we’re not in Europe or South America, eh?

Why don't we have left-wing apologists for Nazism?

freediver wrote on Oct 18^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

Why don't we have left-wing apologists for Nazism?

Coz Impressionist artists were 'lefties', and the Nazis 'spat upon' Impressionist art ????????????

;D

And the 'lefties' still haven't forgiven the Nazis for that ???           ;D

???          :D