and leftards are saying it's Abbott's fault  ;D ;D ;D


http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19157113/asylum-seeker-boat-sank-50-metres-off-indonesian-shore-survivors-say/

Survivors from an asylum seeker boat that sank off Indonesia say the boat returned to land after it hit trouble in rough seas and sank only 50 metres from the shore.

About 50 people are either missing or dead, 30 of them understood to be children, after the boat sank off Agrabinta, a remote area of the coast off the Cianjur region of west Java after it got into trouble on Thursday.

Survivors say they rang Australian authorities for help on Thursday when both the boat's engines broke during the voyage.

They say they tried to fix the engines but failed.

Eventually, the motor pumping water off the boat ran out of petrol and the boat started taking on water, asylum seekers say.

They then hit rough seas and capsized only 50 metres from the shore.

At least 28 asylum seekers have been found alive, but local authorities fear about 80 people were on the boat.

Survivor Abdullah Al Qisi says that as the boat broke up, only those who could swim made it to the shore alive.

After the sinking the beach was littered with broken pieces of the boat and the bodies of about 21 people, including many children.

One survivor told ABC News he had lost his whole family because Australian rescuers did not come.

"We called the Australian Government for 24 hours, they were telling us 'we're coming, we're coming, we're coming,' and they didn't come," he said.

"We sent them the position on the GPS, exactly where are we, and we drowned and nobody came.

"This is because of the Australian Government. I want them to know that."

Search operations were hindered because Indonesian rescue authorities do not have the capability to search during the night or in big seas.

Continuing large ocean swells meant rescue efforts were again delayed on Saturday.

The search is expected to begin properly today.

Minister confirms phone call from vessel but disputes timing

A statement issued from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison's office has confirmed that Australian authorities received a phone call about the vessel.

But while survivors say they rang Australian authorities on Thursday, Mr Morrison's statement says the call was made on Friday morning.

It says the Australian Maritime Safety Authority coordinated the initial rescue effort and notified the Indonesian search and rescue agency.

A merchant vessel responded, as well as an Australian Border Protection Command aircraft, but neither could locate the vessel.

"Australian government officials in Jakarta are seeking additional information from their Indonesian counterparts, including seeking to confirm where the vessel foundered. It is believed to have gone down in Indonesian territory," the statement says.

"Any loss of life is tragic and this latest incident again reflects the dangers of people smuggling.

"The Australian Government expresses its deepest sympathies to those affected by this tragedy for their loss and will continue to provide any assistance required by the Indonesian Government."

Let me get this right

(1) The boat was sinking 50 meters
(2) The survivors are blaming Australia

Why are they too scared to blame Indonesia?????

Had to laugh at channel seven news this morning, they had the story of the boat sinking then at the end patched in a clip of Abbott laughing his arse off LOL  ;D

They can afford to pay $10 grand to a people smuggler, but couldn't afford a life jacket, food or water.
The story is a dud rubber.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

One survivor told ABC News he had lost his whole family because Australian rescuers did not come. "We called the Australian Government for 24 hours, they were telling us 'we're coming, we're coming, we're coming,' and they didn't come," he said. "We sent them the position on the GPS, exactly where are we, and we drowned and nobody came. "This is because of the Australian Government. I want them to know that."

How does bugger off sound?


We didn't put your familiy on that boat you did, you are responsible for their deaths not us.  >:(

It's baffling how we were responsible for deaths at sea when Rudd and Gillard were the leaders, remember the squawking of the righties....."blood on their hands, they've got blood on their hands"

enter Abbott

were not responsible for deaths at sea

crazy shenanigans!!!!....this government is just as responsible as the previous one was

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:12am:

Had to laugh at channel seven news this morning, they had the story of the boat sinking then at the end patched in a clip of Abbott laughing his arse off LOL  ;D

Are you sure it was patched in?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

It's baffling how we were responsible for deaths at sea when Rudd and Gillard were the leaders, remember the squawking of the righties....."blood on their hands, they've got blood on their hands" enter Abbott were not responsible for deaths at sea crazy shenanigans!!!!....this government is just as responsible as the previous one was

bullshit panzi you utter moron...

this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole???

you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring...

you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[

Quote:

using peoples death for political point scoring...

How many time did the liberal party use people deaths at sea for political point scoring?

Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame.

It is a blot on Australia's reputation.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation.

So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game?

How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time.

viewpoint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation. So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game? How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time.

"Its not fun anymore now that your Mob are in Government, is it?"

Aussie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:10pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:00pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation. So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game? How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time. "Its not fun anymore now that your Mob are in Government, is it?"

It never was "fun" moron, but it was avoidable when "your mob" was in government, wasn't it?

[quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592]

bullshit panzi you utter moron...

this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole???

you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring...

you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government.

viewpoint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:10pm: viewpoint wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:00pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation. So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game? How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time. "Its not fun anymore now that your Mob are in Government, is it?" It never was "fun" moron, but it was avoidable when "your mob" was in government, wasn't it?

Why is it not avoidable now that the LNP are in Government?  Abbott has the death of children on his hands, the naughty child killer!

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

[quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592] bullshit panzi you utter moron... this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole??? you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring... you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government.

oh ok...

you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian"

you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths...

I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire ya maggot...

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

It is a blot on Australia's reputation.

;D

Come on, Peter Freeman ~ don't make an ass of yourself.

Every drowning of The Usual Suspects arriving at Indonesia's airports these past 20 years has been the result of the Indonesian authorities having sponsored the traffic of human cargo through their country and out onto the waters towards Australia.

viewpoint wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:00pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation. So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game? How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time.

Indonesia takes the blame for allowing people smuggling in the first place. We must accept the blame for the way asylum seekers are treated.

The constant attempts at scoring points off the other side on this issue, which endlessly fills this forum, is pathetic. Both are equally guilty.

True Blue... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:13pm: [quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592] bullshit panzi you utter moron... this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole??? you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring... you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government. oh ok... you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian" you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths... I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire ya maggot...

Here ya go.  He's made a huge difference.  Now, he's the child killer.

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:59pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: It is a blot on Australia's reputation. ;D Come on, Peter Freeman ~ don't make an ass of yourself. Every drowning of The Usual Suspects arriving at Indonesia's airports these past 20 years has been the result of the Indonesian authorities having sponsored the traffic of human cargo through their country and out onto the waters towards Australia.

Herbert, if you want to talk to me, whether abusively or not (usually abusively because that's your style) I'd appreciate it if you would spell my name correctly.

Thank you.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

viewpoint wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:00pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Both major parties try to outdo each other in taking a hard line against asylum seekers. They share the blame. It is a blot on Australia's reputation. So where does Indonesia sit in this blame game? How many drowned during KRUDD's and DILLARD's terms? Don't they bare 99.9% of any blame you want to dole out? KRUDD abolished the Howard Government's successful solution, DILLARD continued in the same vein , and again KRUDD resumed his incompetence for a second time. Indonesia takes the blame for allowing people smuggling in the first place. We must accept the blame for the way asylum seekers are treated. The constant attempts at scoring points off the other side on this issue, which endlessly fills this forum, is pathetic. Both are equally guilty.

You have the weak and spineless in Australian politics who aren't the blame but haven't helped the issue. But the people that are the blame are criminals and corrupt officials. Everybody else just has an opinion.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Indonesia takes the blame for allowing people smuggling in the first place. We must accept the blame for the way asylum seekers are treated.

I honest to God think you're having a lend of us. You can't possibly be this naive.

Indonesia must take the blame for allowing migrants-in-transit to disembark at their airports for the sole purpose of getting to Australia by sea.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

Herbert, if you want to talk to me, whether abusively or not (usually abusively because that's your style) I'd appreciate it if you would spell my name correctly. Thank you.

I'm not anti-Jewish, so don't go paranoid on me about an honest typo.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Let me get this right (1) The boat was sinking 50 meters (2) The survivors are blaming Australia Why are they too scared to blame Indonesia?????

I think you’l find the leftards are blaming Mr Abbott for being a soft touch and attracting all these illegals, Maqqa.

What’s it got to do with Indonesia? Mr Abbott is the prime minister.

It’s so unfair.

Aussie wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

True Blue... wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:44pm: ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:13pm: [quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592] bullshit panzi you utter moron... this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole??? you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring... you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government. oh ok... you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian" you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths... I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire ya maggot... Here ya go.  He's made a huge difference.  Now, he's the child killer.

Grab a hankie. :'(
He's not responsible for foreign smugglers boats sinking in foreign waters.

Peter Freedman wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

It is a blot on Australia's reputation.

So are you.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

It's baffling how we were responsible for deaths at sea when Rudd and Gillard were the leaders, remember the squawking of the righties....."blood on their hands, they've got blood on their hands" enter Abbott were not responsible for deaths at sea crazy shenanigans!!!!....this government is just as responsible as the previous one was

Except this government is trying to stop people smuggling, not sponsoring it through bad policies.

Soon Abbott will stop the boats and it will be one less thing for us to fight about, if he stays in long enough we'll all become good friends.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 3:05pm: True Blue... wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:44pm: ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:13pm: [quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592] bullshit panzi you utter moron... this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole??? you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring... you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government. oh ok... you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian" you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths... I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire ya maggot... Here ya go.  He's made a huge difference.  Now, he's the child killer. Grab a hankie. :'( He's not responsible for foreign smugglers boats sinking in foreign waters.

That’s right, CL. Mr Abbott refused to play any part in JuLiar’s unfair Malaysian solution.

Sure, it might have saved lives at sea, but Mr Abbott doesn’t like Malaysians.

Also, he did say that only a Coalition government could stop the boats.

Why won’t they stop?

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:00pm:

Soon Abbott will stop the boats and it will be one less thing for us to fight about, if he stays in long enough we'll all become good friends.

That’s a relief, Innocent. I guess we just need to take Mr Abbott on trust.

He did say he wants to stop the boats.

Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:08pm:

Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant.

Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 3:58pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:07pm: It's baffling how we were responsible for deaths at sea when Rudd and Gillard were the leaders, remember the squawking of the righties....."blood on their hands, they've got blood on their hands" enter Abbott were not responsible for deaths at sea crazy shenanigans!!!!....this government is just as responsible as the previous one was Except this government is trying to stop people smuggling..

Thank heavens for that. That takes some of the pressure off Mr Abbott to stop the boats.

At least we can say he tried. The leftards can’t blame Mr Abbott for not making an effort.

After the Grand Final maybe.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:08pm: Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant. Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman.

Whereas in your case, no downgrade was necessary.

Or possible.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:12pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:08pm: Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant. Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman.

No, he’s a leftard. His lot are to blame for all this.

They didn’t say, STOP THE BOATS.

Kat wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:08pm: Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant. Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman. Whereas in your case, no downgrade was necessary. Or possible.

If I want sh#t from you I'll squeeze your head OK ... now back in your basket where you belong freak.

Kat wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:14pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:08pm: Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant. Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman. Whereas in your case, no downgrade was necessary. Or possible.

ha ha , good one. Hit the nail on the head.

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:14pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:12pm: Karnal wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:08pm: Anyway, they’re not so big a problem anymore. They’ve been downgraded to minor irritant. Thats a coincidence because so has Peter Freedman. Whereas in your case, no downgrade was necessary. Or possible. ha ha , good one. Hit the nail on the head.

Ha ha finally someone that laughs at kats "jokes", and I thought it would never happen.   

Quote:

Boat sank 50m from Indonesian shores

I don't know how far from Indonesia's littoral the boat was when it sank but let's assume it was 25k. The distance from the boat to the Canberra based Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue Coordination Centre is approximately 3354 miles or 5398 kilometres if I am reading the data from the website correctly. If the boat was in trouble where should the distress call have been sent to?

If we had a fire that threatened the people of Katoomba would we expect the emergency call to be made to Broome WA?

http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Canberra_AS_and_Jakarta_ID.html

True Blue... wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 2:44pm:

ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 2:13pm: [quote author=Blue... link=1380413535/7#7 date=1380424592] bullshit panzi you utter moron... this government didn't dismantle boarder protection.. Kevin Rudd did... so why are  you being a lying Rsole??? you are like that deadbeat "ian" who is using peoples death for political point scoring... you ought to be ashamed of yourself,,,  :-[/quote]I have to laugh, the moron you voted in is frozen in the headlights. Everyone in Australia except you chucky can see him for the incomptetent he apparently is. He has nothing, he said his policy on the boats would make a difference from day one, the laughable thing is he doesnt have a policy and the only difference he is making is in seeing how much he can screw up foreign policy by offending the Indos., one of our biggest export markets. In 6 months even gumps like you will be praying for a change of government. oh ok... you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian" you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths...

'He said the policy will start to make a difference “from day one”.'

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/asylum-seeker-boats-may-not-stop-immediately-tony-abbott/story-fn9hm1gu-1226720331578

salad in wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:48pm:

Quote: Boat sank 50m from Indonesian shores I don't know how far from Indonesia's littoral the boat was when it sank but let's assume it was 25k. The distance from the boat to the Canberra based Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue Coordination Centre is approximately 3354 miles or 5398 kilometres if I am reading the data from the website correctly. If the boat was in trouble where should the distress call have been sent to? If we had a fire that threatened the people of Katoomba would we expect the emergency call to be made to Broome WA? http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_between_Canberra_AS_and_Jakarta_ID.html

I think the boat people accidently sent the distress call to centrelink and not the emergency services which is the second most important number on their speed dial.

Well guess what?
It has...  people are being returned to Indonesia instead of being escorted to Xmas island.  :D :D :D

Grendel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Well guess what? It has...  people are being returned to Indonesia instead of being escorted to Xmas island.  :D :D :D

Who? has there been a boat turned back which hasnt been reported? Is this why Tony ran away?

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Grendel wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:53pm: Well guess what? It has...  people are being returned to Indonesia instead of being escorted to Xmas island.  :D :D :D Who? has there been a boat turned back which hasnt been reported? Is this why Tony ran away?

Its important to discern the difference between left and right reality here, to a righty a boat load of fake reffos getting picked up and taken back to Indonesia is a boat load of fake reffos getting taken back to Indonesia but to the left a boat load of fake reffos getting picked up and taken back to Indonesia really means they are still enroute and will be hitting a centrelink near you real soon  ;D

You didnt answer the question. Abbott isnt claiming he has turned a boat back, none of his government are claiming a boat has been turned back, no media outlet is claiming a boat has been turned back. So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about?

Quote:

you'll happily give us all a link where abbott said that he'd make a difference from day one then "ian" you are a lying piece of garbage who politically point scores on peoples deaths...

Tony Abbott says his plan to stop the boats starts Wednesday

STOPPING the boats is a "stand or fall issue," Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott acknowledged on Monday as he said Coalition efforts to stem the flow of asylum seekers starts on Wednesday.

"I am absolutely determined to stop the boats as quickly as we humanly can," he said.
"This is one of those stand or fall issues, it really is a stand or fall issue. We will make a difference and we will start form day one."


http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/tony-abbott-says-his-plan-to-stop-the-boats-starts-wednesday/story-fnho52ip-1226720423695#ixzz2gKhyfn3l

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

You didnt answer the question. Abbott isnt claiming he has turned a boat back, none of his government are claiming a boat has been turned back, no media outlet is claiming a boat has been turned back. So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about?

It's lying on the bottom of the ocean.

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:49pm:

ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:32pm: Grendel wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:53pm: Well guess what? It has...  people are being returned to Indonesia instead of being escorted to Xmas island.  :D :D :D Who? has there been a boat turned back which hasnt been reported? Is this why Tony ran away? Its important to discern the difference between left and right reality here, to a righty a boat load of fake reffos getting picked up and taken back to Indonesia is a boat load of fake reffos getting taken back to Indonesia but to the left a boat load of fake reffos getting picked up and taken back to Indonesia really means they are still enroute and will be hitting a centrelink near you real soon  ;D

You really do have an obsession with Centrelink, haven't you?

Scared they'll push you out of the queue?

Grendel wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 4:53pm:

Well guess what? It has...  people are being returned to Indonesia instead of being escorted to Xmas island.  :D :D :D

Who told you that?

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

. So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about?

Honestly I think it may have sailed up your arse and is disembarking as we speak.  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:05pm:

ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:54pm: . So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about? Honestly I think it may have sailed up your arse and is disembarking as we speak.  ;D

Keeping a close eye on ian's arse, hey?

Kat wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:02pm:

You really do have an obsession with Centrelink, haven't you? Scared they'll push you out of the queue?

Ha ha numbnuts I'm just buggered off that they haven't got a plaque on the wall thanking me for my contribution.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:05pm: ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:54pm: . So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about? Honestly I think it may have sailed up your arse and is disembarking as we speak.  ;D Keeping a close eye on ian's arse, hey?

Yeah but only to warn him if you come close  ;D

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:02pm: You really do have an obsession with Centrelink, haven't you? Scared they'll push you out of the queue? Ha ha numbnuts I'm just buggered off that they haven't got a plaque on the wall thanking me for my contribution.

I'm sure everyone appreciates the clean toilets.  No real need for a plaque.

Maqqa wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:07am:

Let me get this right (1) The boat was sinking 50 meters (2) The survivors are blaming Australia Why are they too scared to blame Indonesia?????

No, Maqqq. Once again you are misrepresenting the truth. It ran into trouble 25 Nautical miles out. Survivors have claimed they contacted Australian authorities well before it sank.


Quote:

IMMIGRATION Minister Scott Morrison has finally responded to questions over an asylum seeker boat which sank off the coast of Indonesia. Mr Morrison said Australian authorities were initially in charge of the search for the asylum seeker vessel after receiving a phone call about the incident yesterday morning. Initial reports placed the vessel 25 nautical miles off the Indonesian coast, inside the Indonesian search and rescue region, but a Border Protection Command aircraft and a merchant vessel responding to an all ships broadcast were unable to find it. The search and rescue operation is now being handled by Indonesian authorities, Mr Morrison said.

MOTR wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 11:07am: Let me get this right (1) The boat was sinking 50 meters (2) The survivors are blaming Australia Why are they too scared to blame Indonesia????? No, Maqqq. Once again you are misrepresenting the truth.

No! Say it isn't so.


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Maqqa?  Misrepresenting the truth?  Nah.

MOTR wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 11:07am: Let me get this right (1) The boat was sinking 50 meters (2) The survivors are blaming Australia Why are they too scared to blame Indonesia????? No, Maqqq. Once again you are misrepresenting the truth. It ran into trouble 25 Nautical miles out. Survivors have claimed they contacted Australian authorities well before it sank. Quote: IMMIGRATION Minister Scott Morrison has finally responded to questions over an asylum seeker boat which sank off the coast of Indonesia. Mr Morrison said Australian authorities were initially in charge of the search for the asylum seeker vessel after receiving a phone call about the incident yesterday morning. Initial reports placed the vessel 25 nautical miles off the Indonesian coast, inside the Indonesian search and rescue region, but a Border Protection Command aircraft and a merchant vessel responding to an all ships broadcast were unable to find it. The search and rescue operation is now being handled by Indonesian authorities, Mr Morrison said.

Actually I understand both are correct, it reported difficulties and turned back but ran out of petrol for its pump and foundered close to shore.

None the less, it was at all times much closer to Indonesia than Oz, but of course they wanted to be picked up by Oz crafts to get to da sugar on da table. 

But still ya gotta admire the selective outrage of the luvvies, not a frigging peep over the last six years despite at best estimates about 1500 drowned.

Pathetic, you need to take a good hard look at yourselves and your moral flexibility and selective blindness. 

I'm all in favour of the Grappler Party policy of onshore processing.  Set 'em up in resorts and feed 'em well, employ Aussies to be their batmen, process at leisure in safety, and send all the undesirables to Afghanistan under our new Convict Colony Initiative.  50% for Japanese/Chinese tourists while on a house hunting expedition, or maybe looking for a million acre farm to buy....

Convert the resorts to old people's homes when no longer in use, retain the staff to look after THEM, develop new resorts for the ongoing flood...

Never-ending cycle of new development, safe and comfortable processing, full paying income form tourism, and ongoing use of the property.....

;D

ian wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:54pm:

You didnt answer the question. Abbott isnt claiming he has turned a boat back, none of his government are claiming a boat has been turned back, no media outlet is claiming a boat has been turned back. So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about?

I think Innocent is referring to the ones that have sunk. These don’t count to the leftards.

Only Mr Abbott can STOP THE BOATS.

Big Dave wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:54pm: You didnt answer the question. Abbott isnt claiming he has turned a boat back, none of his government are claiming a boat has been turned back, no media outlet is claiming a boat has been turned back. So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about? It's lying on the bottom of the ocean.

Exactly. And the leftards refuse to give the right any credit for it.

They’re so negative.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:05pm: ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:54pm: . So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about? Honestly I think it may have sailed up your arse and is disembarking as we speak.  ;D Keeping a close eye on ian's arse, hey?

Sexy.

Ive got a great arse, i keep in shape. Im even doing buttock clenches while I type this.

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 7:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:07pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:05pm: ian wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 5:54pm: . So where is this top secret boat which has been turned back and only you know about? Honestly I think it may have sailed up your arse and is disembarking as we speak.  ;D Keeping a close eye on ian's arse, hey? Sexy.

And saucy.

I'd watch that Innocent Bystander chap: he might give bobby and Soren a run for their money.

Of course it's all Abbott's fault. I mean, according to the leftists, what isn't is fault?

matty wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Of course it's all Abbott's fault. I mean, according to the leftists, what isn't his fault?

Global warming.

I'm willing to let him off on that one.

matty wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Of course it's all Abbott's fault. I mean, according to the leftists, what isn't is fault?

Matty, you simply must intervene here, you must. The leftards are blaming Mr Abbott for everything!

Including not stopping the boats!

I know, it’s absurd, but they’re saying Mr Abbott is not responsible for turning back this boat.

SHAME LEFTARDS SHAME.

Matty, I expect you to give these people a piece of your mind, it’s pathetic. Someone has to stick up for Mr Abbott.

He’s our Prime Mnister!

Karnal wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

He’s our Prime Mnister!

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If it sunk off the coast of Indonesia and had zero Aussies on board.

How on earth is it our problem or anything to do with us?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:30pm:

If it sunk off the coast of Indonesia and had zero Aussies on board. How on earth is it our problem or anything to do with us?

Your compassion for humanity brings a tear to the eye.

It has nothing to do with us Greg.

It's an Indonesian problem, not ours.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:38pm:

It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours.

I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that.

I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance.

I see them as nothing to do with us.

I sleep soundly at night with that.

How come Indonesia don't seem to give a sh*t then?

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm: It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours. I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that. I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance.

That would be the natural response of all non sociopathic and psychopathic human beings. One of empathy and concern.

Unfortunately our society has nurtured and fostered  individualism, materialism, corporatism, short term profits over everything else, fear, greed, hatred, racism, class warfare - you name it.

And it needs to be a sustained propaganda and fear campaign from generation to generation, in order to propp up this evil cartel of socio-psychopaths.

We innately recognise that its wrong.

I am grateful that I haven't ever had to face the kinds of problems that millions of refugees face and i hope I never have to.  I also can't help but wonder what lengths might any of us or our parents go to if we were placed in similar situations?

RIP to all those who died, so many of them were children.  How can you not be affected by that?

Shame on those attempting in this discussion, to use their deaths to score cheap political points.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:47pm:

. How come Indonesia don't seem to give a sh*t then?

How do you know this, son?

Are you posting on Indonesian political boards too?

John S wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 1:39pm:

Quote: using peoples death for political point scoring... How many time did the liberal party use people deaths at sea for political point scoring?

Ummm, none.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 5:54am:

John S wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:39pm: Quote: using peoples death for political point scoring... How many time did the liberal party use people deaths at sea for political point scoring? Ummm, none.

Garbage.

You've been doing it since at LEAST 2009.

More conservative lies.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm: It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours. I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that. I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance.

Agreed.

If a distress call is made from a boat in trouble to their country of destination - under international law we are responsible for rescuing them.

It doesn't matter if they were 5 metres from Indonesia - it's still no excuse for us to wriggle out of this.

Therefore - this government is responsible for the deaths.

Abbott can't face the cameras as usual. He has even been advised by Alexander Downer not to shirk his responsibility by sweeping it under the carpet. Abbott is scared. He remembers all he said and did to destroy Gillard and knows he's going to get some of it back. Bullies are also cowards.

mantra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

If a distress call is made from a boat in trouble to their country of destination - under international law we are responsible for rescuing them. It doesn't matter if they were 5 metres from Indonesia - it's still no excuse for us to wriggle out of this. Therefore - this government is responsible for the deaths. Abbott can't face the cameras as usual. He has even been advised by Alexander Downer not to shirk his responsibility by sweeping it under the carpet. Abbott is scared. He remembers all he said and did to destroy Gillard and knows he's going to get some of it back. Bullies are also cowards.

It looks like the lefties are all for violating a countries seventy when it suits them, but not OK when it comes to turning back boats.

mantra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:06am:

If a distress call is made from a boat in trouble to their country of destination - under international law we are responsible for rescuing them. It doesn't matter if they were 5 metres from Indonesia - it's still no excuse for us to wriggle out of this. Therefore - this government is responsible for the deaths. Abbott can't face the cameras as usual. He has even been advised by Alexander Downer not to shirk his responsibility by sweeping it under the carpet. Abbott is scared. He remembers all he said and did to destroy Gillard and knows he's going to get some of it back. Bullies are also cowards.

If the passengers were white and Christian (or Jewish, even), Australia would have been there in an instant. 


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Im starting to get the feedback that is the same as my.thinking. that all this labrat lefty bs is the stop the pacific solution noise all over again.

Abbott is doing the right thing allowing these idiots to cry day and night for an answer to an indonesian problem that happened right next to their coast.

So the Coalition government isn't responsible for the same things that the ALP government were?

The Coalition supporters sure have short memories - they used incidents like this how many times?

The Coalition made boat people an issue - they are reaping what they sewed.

Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death.

UnderTheMilkyWay wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

I am grateful that I haven't ever had to face the kinds of problems that millions of refugees face and i hope I never have to.  I also can't help but wonder what lengths might any of us or our parents go to if we were placed in similar situations? RIP to all those who died, so many of them were children.  How can you not be affected by that? Shame on those attempting in this discussion, to use their deaths to score cheap political points.

x 2

people like ian (the forum nincompoop) and the others riding on his back should be ashamed of themselves...

Don't bother with your crocodile tears now leftards....it started 5 years ago, where have you been??????????????

2000 poor souls died due to your leftard policy position. Your attempts to place blame on anyone but yourselves is nothing short of despicable. But then again, you lot can justify anything in the name of 'being progressive'. 

Dog sh1t on ya shoe has more integrity than you lot.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death.

This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with.

Chilling.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:43am:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling.

I've copped a ban for much less than that.

As he should...

Kat wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:43am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling. I've copped a ban for much less than that. As he should...

Wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents.

It's such a shame that we have "people" like this in Australia.  It gives us all a bad name.  But then again, with a "leader" like Abbott it's hardly surprising that attitudes like this prevail.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

Kat wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:46am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:43am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling. I've copped a ban for much less than that. As he should... Wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents. It's such a shame that we have "people" like this in Australia.  It gives us all a bad name.  But then again, with a "leader" like Abbott it's hardly surprising that attitudes like this prevail.

I see it for what it is, Child abuse, I know child abuse is something you lefties get off on, Its Time to call a spade a spade, you put you kid on a boat without them knowing how to swim, then its clear. IT IS... CHILD ABUSE.

Kat wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:46am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:43am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling. I've copped a ban for much less than that. As he should...

why?

did you upset Bam (the forum dobber) ?

True Blue... wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:18am:

Kat wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:46am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:43am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling. I've copped a ban for much less than that. As he should... why?

He's actually wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents.

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:52am:

Quote: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. Wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents. It's such a shame that we have "people" like this in Australia.  It gives us all a bad name.  But then again, with a "leader" like Abbott it's hardly surprising that attitudes like this prevail.

It's going to get worse. We're not looking at people going on a sightseeing cruise for the day - these people are desperate and would probably jump on a rubber dinghy if it was available.

We are also going to see a lot more RW hatred and policy regression. Australia will become a country which only caters to the survival of the strongest. We will no longer be a compassionate country unless it involves making money and then that compassion will only be directed towards the corporations eg. lower wages, less regulation and less company tax.

Let's be honest - how have the asylum seekers affected our lives? We rarely hear of their crimes and mostly they keep to themselves. Perhaps it is the thought of sharing a little with those who are less fortunate.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:52am: Kat wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:46am: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:43am: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:34am: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. This is the conservative mentality we're dealing with. Chilling. I've copped a ban for much less than that. As he should... Wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents. It's such a shame that we have "people" like this in Australia.  It gives us all a bad name.  But then again, with a "leader" like Abbott it's hardly surprising that attitudes like this prevail. I see it for what it is, Child abuse, I know child abuse is something you lefties get off on, Its Time to call a spade a spade, you put you kid on a boat without them knowing how to swim, then its clear. IT IS... CHILD ABUSE.

So, an asylum seeker is illegitimate if they cant swim?

(and of course your immoral racist stance on asylum seekers is very narrowly applied to people of certain skin colour and cultural background - isn't that right you putrid foul mouthed right winged clown puppet)

mantra wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:52am: Quote: Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. Wishing for the senseless death of more children, and calling for the murder of their parents. It's such a shame that we have "people" like this in Australia.  It gives us all a bad name.  But then again, with a "leader" like Abbott it's hardly surprising that attitudes like this prevail. It's going to get worse. We're not looking at people going on a sightseeing cruise for the day - these people are desperate and would probably jump on a rubber dinghy if it was available. We are also going to see a lot more RW hatred and policy regression. Australia will become a country which only caters to the survival of the strongest. We will no longer be a compassionate country unless it involves making money and then that compassion will only be directed towards the corporations eg. lower wages, less regulation and less company tax. Let's be honest - how have the asylum seekers affected our lives? We rarely hear of their crimes and mostly they keep to themselves. Perhaps it is the thought of sharing a little with those who are less fortunate.

ITs very much a racial issue. This country has been founded upon racism, imperialism and fascism.

If a natural disaster occurred in New Zealand or in Europe for example, and refugees started arriving in boats on our shores, and they were of a fairer skin colour and spoke English very well, and know about McDonalds and Coke Cola etc, they would be treated completely differently. They would be interviewed, humanised, validated, welcomed etc

Belgium which is a far smaller country than Australia, with far less riches and land area, accepted about 50,000 asylum seekers last year alone.

The UK is similar and almost all European nations take far more than their quotas and responsibilities under the international treaties and agreements they have signed.

Australia is almost totally alone in this regard, having only 2 or 3 other countries with similar draconian policies on asylum seekers which are essentially based upon racism.

Its not ILLEGAL to seek asylum in another country.

What is illegal is the policy of the Australian government

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:52am: Kat wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 7:46am: [quote author=greggerypeccary link=1380413535/85#85 date=1380491026][quote author=bloody.ripper link=1380413535/82#82 date=1380490497]Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death. I see it for what it is, Child abuse, I know child abuse is something you lefties get off on, Its Time to call a spade a spade, you put you kid on a boat without them knowing how to swim, then its clear. IT IS... CHILD ABUSE.

You must be appalled at parents who circumcise their baby boys?

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:47am:

Belgium which is a far smaller country than Australia, with far less riches and land area, accepted about 50,000 asylum seekers last year alone.

Have you been able to substantiate that?   Third time you have posted your Belgium factoid and I predict this will be the third time you avoid providing an reference for your claim.


Datalife wrote on Sep 26^th, 2013 at 3:26pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 26th, 2013 at 2:55pm: How many boats did they let in? Belgium which is a far smaller country than Australia takes in about 50,000 asylum seekers each year. Australia has obligations to take in about 6000 asylum seekers each year. about 95% of asylum seekers to land on our shores, are eventually classed as legitimate and allowed to stay here. Something obviously wrong with you and basic comprehension of global realities. Let me guess - you also believe in GOD and Jesus Christ like Abbott and Howard do. Not so much a Chimp as a chump, maybe you can have a shot at this, you ran away last time.    Datalife wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:06pm: Chimp_Logic wrote on Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:30pm:   Belgium takes in 50,000+ asylum seekers and refugees each year, and Belgium is smaller and less wealthy than Australia. According to the UNHCR Asylum applications in Belgium in 2008 was 12250 2009 was 17190 2010 was 21760 2011 was 26000 2012 was 18520 Page 20  http://unhcr.org/asylumtrends/UNHCR%20ASYLUM%20TRENDS%202012_WEB.pdf And as an aside, those figures include repeat applications.  Where are you getting 50 thousand plus per year and over what years and a reference.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 7:34am:

Let it been a warning to people wanting to take the trip, We can only hope we have more of these boats sink so close to Indonesia. Boat sunk 50m off Indonesia's shore, Its clear these people have no idea of Australia's Culture because we teach our kids how to swim. What kind of people would put their own children's life at risk making such a trip and not teach their kids how to swim first. The parents of the children should be put to death.

Indeed.
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20101115/Too-many-Ozzie-kids-cane28099t-swim-2010-National-Drowning-Report.aspx

So, how many of these parents should be put to death again? Or is that now looking like a bit of an extremist perspective?

Don’t get on leaky old boats and put yourselves and your family at risk.

Simple…..

So...the ABC is reporting that the Indonesian Army transported the economic country shoppers to their boats. No corruption here. Look over there, its a unicorn on a boat  8-)

Now, we all know that Tony Abbott has a truck license....it all makes sense now doesn't it leftards  :D :D

There is absolutely no logical reason for labrats to continually blame the government for this tragedy other than they lost the election. This boat sank 50m off Indonesia. Why the bugger would they phone Canberra 25 times to be rescued when Indonesia is a very short distance away; basically within sight of the country in daylight. Reports from the passengers of this boat indicate that Indonesian soldiers actually helped with their embarkation in the first place.......what does that tell you?

viewpoint wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

There is absolutely no logical reason for labrats to continually blame the government for this tragedy other than they lost the election. This boat sank 50m off Indonesia. Why the bugger would they phone Canberra 25 times to be rescued when Indonesia is a very short distance away; basically within sight of the country in daylight. Reports from the passengers of this boat indicate that Indonesian soldiers actually helped with their embarkation in the first place.......what does that tell you?

That Abbott did not stop it as he promised us he would.

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 8:37am:

[...] immoral racist

That word has lost its power due to its overuse. Think of one that has become declasse due to infrequent use. Why not toss in xenophobe?

Quote:

from Moron That Abbott did not stop it as he promised us he would.

He's been snapping his fingers for the past two weeks, so you can see he's trying hard moron.......maybe he needs another day or two.....

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 29^th, 2013 at 11:04pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm: It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours. I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that. I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance. That would be the natural response of all non sociopathic and psychopathic human beings. One of empathy and concern. Unfortunately our society has nurtured and fostered  individualism, materialism, corporatism, short term profits over everything else, fear, greed, hatred, racism, class warfare - you name it. And it needs to be a sustained propaganda and fear campaign from generation to generation, in order to propp up this evil cartel of socio-psychopaths. We innately recognise that its wrong.

Good propaganda, Comrade. Only we progressives types are capable of compassion and care. Those nasty conservatives looking after their family and friends first are evil. If only they could be like us progressives and put people who live 10,000 km away as the highest priority. This is progress.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 11:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm: It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours. I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that. I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance. That would be the natural response of all non sociopathic and psychopathic human beings. One of empathy and concern. Unfortunately our society has nurtured and fostered  individualism, materialism, corporatism, short term profits over everything else, fear, greed, hatred, racism, class warfare - you name it. And it needs to be a sustained propaganda and fear campaign from generation to generation, in order to propp up this evil cartel of socio-psychopaths. We innately recognise that its wrong. Good propaganda, Comrade. Only we progressives types are capable of compassion and care. Those nasty conservatives looking after their family and friends first are evil. If only they could be like us progressives and put people who live 10,000 km away as the highest priority. This is progress.

Um, that is also basically propaganda mate.

I know many conservative thinkers that are of the opinion we need something more meaningful that "turn back the boats" as a solution. You know, being compassionate and caring... I also acknowledge that many lefties would seek some mystical high moral ground (which is non existent) claiming they are being compassionate and of course, there are many lefties who do not agree with wholesale allowing people into the country willy nilly as the rampant conservative ones would suggest (through their propaganda).

In short, it is beyond doubt that real solutions need to be developed. They have to be meaningful, easily implemented and, above all, measurable.

Slogans, which seem to be all our current Government has will not cut it. Nor will ineffectual actions like those of the previous Government.

To be blunt, due to their mutual desires to cling to (the myth of) power neither primary party has actually come up with a meaningful, sustainable and measurable long term solution.

A media blackout is also not very encouraging, when all that is ultimately is a form of censorship. I am quite surprised that this has not rattled the chains of the mainstream media who clearly care so much about freedom of the press and free speech and of course which party is Governing the country.

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

A media blackout is also not very encouraging, when all that is ultimately is a form of censorship.

What media black out? It’s all over the papers, everyone one is discussing it, there are regular updates………what country are you in?

:-?

Phemanderac wrote on Sep 30^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 11:36am: Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 11:04pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:46pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 10:38pm: It has nothing to do with us Greg. It's an Indonesian problem, not ours. I'm a human being first, and an Australian after that. I don't see people in trouble as any particular nationality.  They're just people, in need of assistance. That would be the natural response of all non sociopathic and psychopathic human beings. One of empathy and concern. Unfortunately our society has nurtured and fostered  individualism, materialism, corporatism, short term profits over everything else, fear, greed, hatred, racism, class warfare - you name it. And it needs to be a sustained propaganda and fear campaign from generation to generation, in order to propp up this evil cartel of socio-psychopaths. We innately recognise that its wrong. Good propaganda, Comrade. Only we progressives types are capable of compassion and care. Those nasty conservatives looking after their family and friends first are evil. If only they could be like us progressives and put people who live 10,000 km away as the highest priority. This is progress. Um, that is also basically propaganda mate. I know many conservative thinkers that are of the opinion we need something more meaningful that "turn back the boats" as a solution. You know, being compassionate and caring... I also acknowledge that many lefties would seek some mystical high moral ground (which is non existent) claiming they are being compassionate and of course, there are many lefties who do not agree with wholesale allowing people into the country willy nilly as the rampant conservative ones would suggest (through their propaganda). In short, it is beyond doubt that real solutions need to be developed. They have to be meaningful, easily implemented and, above all, measurable. Slogans, which seem to be all our current Government has will not cut it. Nor will ineffectual actions like those of the previous Government. To be blunt, due to their mutual desires to cling to (the myth of) power neither primary party has actually come up with a meaningful, sustainable and measurable long term solution. A media blackout is also not very encouraging, when all that is ultimately is a form of censorship. I am quite surprised that this has not rattled the chains of the mainstream media who clearly care so much about freedom of the press and free speech and of course which party is Governing the country.

Turning back the boats is not THE solution, and has never ever been promoted by the Coalition as THE solution despite what those conservative thinkers that you know that think they understand the Coalitions policy.
Operation Sovereign Borders policy is far more than that, and turning back the boats is a small part of the entire package.
Media blackout???
Did you miss the weekly media scrum today?