What are the odds on a GST rise?

Date
    August 12, 2013


Be prepared, a rise in the GST is on the cards.

When Joe Hockey, the man likely to become the next Federal Treasurer, says that all options will be considered as part of achieving a revamped tax system, that screams a message, "negotiations are open to increase the GST".      :o

Of course an increase in the billions of dollars the Goods and Services Tax already raises, is bound to draw flak from the electorate.

Nobody wants to pay more tax.


But all politicians know that immediately following an election is the best time to serve the electorate a dose of nasty medicine.      :(

The Barnett government has recently proved my point.

To facilitate an increase all states, the Northern Territory and the federal government must vote for the change.

Australian voters, state and federal, have installed conservative governments in the Northern Territory, Western Australia, New South Wales and Queensland.

In South Australia the Labor government is considered highly likely to lose office at the next election due early in 2014.

In Tasmania, the Labor government's finances are in desperate need of an injection of funds to stimulate that states sluggish economy. If the size of the GST cake is increased, an offer of extra funding to the island state would be a compelling incentive for that state to vote for an increase.

Western Australian Premier Colin Barnett has complained long and loud about the present arrangements for GST distribution, negotiations surrounding a proposed increase in the GST tax and a revamped distribution formula would give Mr. Barnett the opportunity to argue the case for a better deal for his state.

As Troy Buswell's recent budget has shown,despite the recent boom, our economic future is threatened by an explosion in state debt.

Western Australian government borrowings have ballooned to a frightening 22 billion dollars and are predicted to go way beyond that. Treasurer Buswell has forecast that by fiscal year 2016/2017 our states debt burden will reach a crushing 28 billion dollars. Which means WA needs to find more money, and lots of it.

So, despite Mr. Abbott trying to soothe voters by dismissing the prospect of a rise in the GST levy under a coalition government, you can guarantee that when the Premiers gather at their annual conference, an increase in the GST levy will be raised, discussed, and promoted.

All the Premiers want more money.

If they argue for a rise in the GST levy as they will, and if Mr. Abbott is then Prime Minister, as is likely,

should he and his government agree, he will explain away his change of mind by saying,

"blame the state's, it was their idea".

Of course this scenario is dependent on a coalition victory, and right now the polls, and the bookmakers, suggest such a win is highly likely.      :(

So, brace yourselves for the coming public debate about the "need" for an increase in the GST

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/comment/what-are-the-odds-on-a-gst-rise-20130812-2rqyg.html#ixzz2biLeNplj

GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS..

its not who does it... its how....

IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD..

NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD....

I can tell you now they will be thrown out..


i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen...


its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation..

the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while..

and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse...

I dont think either side want that.... just a thought

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:45am:

GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS.. its not who does it... its how.... IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD.. NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.... I can tell you now they will be thrown out.. i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen... its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation.. the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while.. and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse... I dont think either side want that.... just a thought

If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you.

Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich?

Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax?

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:50am:

cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am: GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS.. its not who does it... its how.... IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD.. NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.... I can tell you now they will be thrown out.. i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen... its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation.. the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while.. and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse... I dont think either side want that.... just a thought If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you. Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich? and the rich dont eat or buy nickers  right Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax?

well we know you live with a bag over you head.. you obsession with matty tell us everything about you...dear.

you can always shop on line where you wont pay any of our nasty taxes.

this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that.

The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut.

What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich.

I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.

Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms.

Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money.

Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper.

In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms. Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money. Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper. In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies.

they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time.

Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead.

Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead. Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him?

but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase.

but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one :(

cods wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:50am: cods wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:45am: GUESS WHAT ANYONE WHO THINKS THE GST WILL STAY 10% FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.. HAS ROCKS FOR BRAINS.. its not who does it... its how.... IF SOMEONE TRIES THE OLD.. NO GST UNDER A GOVT I LEAD.... I can tell you now they will be thrown out.. i would imagine if they tried it without consultation... the same thing will happen... its the same with any tax BIG or SMALL consultation.. the stirrers might like to take on board that spending is DOWN and looks like staying there for a while.. and increase in the GST will cause that to get worse... I dont think either side want that.... just a thought If this is a debate on tax, dear, why paint yourself into a corner? An increase in the GST puts the tax burden onto you. Putting a GST on food taxes the poor. Why not increase income tax and tax the rich? and the rich dont eat or buy nickers  right Nothing is inevitable. Taxes are political. Who do you want to pay? Who is it fair to tax? well we know you live with a bag over you head.. you obsession with matty tell us everything about you...dear. you can always shop on line where you wont pay any of our nasty taxes.

Yes, dear, but you might find those tomatoes get to you a little worse for wear.

Matty might move to Rhode island.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

Oh, there's a case alright. All state governments will come into line if the Feds are on side. They're desperate for the revenue, and the blame is diffused.

I wish they'd get a decent mining tax. Problem solved. The only people who pay for a tax on mining are the Chinese.

By getting rid of the mining tax (which is purely political - it doesn't raise any revenue anyway), Abbott's saying he wants to tax pensioners rather than BHP, Rio and Estrada.

Make no mistake - Abbott WILL need to raise revenue. He's promised to bring the budget into surplus in one term.

AXE THE TAX.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms. Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money. Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper. In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies. they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's. and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect?

no changes to the GST in the next govt

When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST.

What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change.

a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's.

So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete.

The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive.  All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained.

Why do they want another review?q

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:24pm:

The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive.  All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained. Why do they want another review?q

good grief... what is it with you and your new-found LABOR-LOVE????  the Henry review was LABORS review and it was LABOR that rejected 146 out of the 150 recommendations.  At least TRY and aim the blame where it is deserved.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms. Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money. Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper. In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies. they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's. and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect? no changes to the GST in the next govt When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST. What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change. a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's. So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete.

you really are a stupid and incredibly petty person.  You give Gillard a free pass pn her comprehensive lie about the carbon tax (yes, LIE!) and yet wank on endlessly about an Abbott promise regarding the GST for a term that has not yet commenced for a govt not yet elected.

your credibility is like Rudds.  liar and now cheater.

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price. 

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Sales Tax was a "hidden tax". 

The GST is upfront.  It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree.  Not going to happen.

Cods

It may stay the same for the next 10 years, its a complex process to change it, to introduce it required over 370 separate changes to current legislation which I thought did not go far enough. A broad-based tax simplifies things but our current GST needs to be far broader, in that context I am happy for it to even come down as long as its revenue neutral.

To make it go up is both a big political challenge involving the sates and more importantly the electorate, you would need a better argument than fixing ALP ineptitude, just keep the ALP out of power fixes that, to raise the GST would need a very solid easy to understand argument. Given tax revenues have risen under the ALP ineptitude there is no argument for raising taxes. The problem is one of over spending by an inept ALP.

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".  The GST is upfront.  It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree.  Not going to happen.

the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one.  ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:24pm: The henry review was an excellent review of the tax system and extremely comprehensive.  All the Coalition did was can it from the moment it was released and all the recommendations it contained. Why do they want another review?q good grief... what is it with you and your new-found LABOR-LOVE????  the Henry review was LABORS review and it was LABOR that rejected 146 out of the 150 recommendations.  At least TRY and aim the blame where it is deserved.

When labour took four of the Henry reviews and added one of their own I was and still am ropeable.

The Henry review to be effective needed to be taken as a whole as the implications of a change in one will have an effect on another.

I would like to see the Coalition revisit the Henry Review, not waste another 10 million getting another one done for the sake of it.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".  The GST is upfront.  It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree.  Not going to happen. the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one.  ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

Probably not, but it has to go through the Upper and Lower Houses as well. Krudd is scare mongering as he is wont to do.  Who knows what will happen, eventually.  :-/

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

... and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  ...

Is that a core promise, or non-core?

Anyway, didn't he actually say something like "there are no plans to raise the GST"?

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality.  The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for
Australian Socialist Equality Party...

http://www.sep.org.au/website/
... 8-)

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

... Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ...

The Sales Tax was a wholesale tax. It was levied on the last wholesale transaction before the first retail transaction. GST is levied on all transactions.

So:
- Sales Tax, levied on one transaction between warehouse and shop;
- GST, levied on every transaction.

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:56pm:

... I would like to see the Coalition revisit the Henry Review, not waste another 10 million getting another one done for the sake of it.

Me too, but they'll most likely want a review that comes up with recommendations more to their liking. The Mining Tax began as a Henry recommendation, remember. Can't have their mates paying taxes, can we?

# wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:15pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: ... Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... The Sales Tax was a wholesale tax. It was levied on the last wholesale transaction before the first retail transaction. GST is levied on all transactions. So: - Sales Tax, levied on one transaction between warehouse and shop; - GST, levied on every transaction.

on all RETAIL transactions. only the final consumer pays it (in net effect).

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Sales Tax was a "hidden tax".  The GST is upfront.  It can NOT be changed unless ALL States and the 2 Houses of Parliament agree.  Not going to happen. the states agreement is nothing more than a gentleman's agreement and not a binding one.  ANd given that the states are in debt, can you imagine a single premier, labor or otherwise, saying no to extra money???

LW you are another of the band who in 2007 when claiming that Labor were going to increase the GST pointed out that the locking mechanism was only legislation which is easily changed.

You have a record arguing both sides on the same topic.

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality.  The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for Australian Socialist Equality Party... http://www.sep.org.au/website/ ... 8-)

No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges.

All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good.

Neferti wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Got anything we didn't all know ??

The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax.

People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST.

and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST.

Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:19pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:07pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Then why are the liberals doing a full review on tax and specifically including the GST in the terms. Like any typical Liberal government do they just love to waste money. Abbott in debate mode is clearly reacting in the heat of the moment and is not tied down by their fixed policy statements on paper. In other words this is the area where he has warned us that he will be telling lies. I tend to believe him in this rare instance - he was in fact telling lies. they are NOT specifically including the GST.  they are just not specifically EXCLUDING anything.  that was the major weakness of the Henry review in that Rudd told him what he could and couldn't look at.  a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's. and you have an iron-clad agreement that there will be no changes to the GST in the next govt.  What more do you want or expect? no changes to the GST in the next govt When Spears asked if it applied to the next term Abbott responded that there will be no change to the GST. What he said applied past the next term and excluded all or any change. a proper tax review has to look at the entire tax system or else it is worthless - as was Henry's. So you review the items where you have already locked in the result - pretty stupid spending a heap of money when the decision has already been made and locked in concrete. you really are a stupid and incredibly petty person.  You give Gillard a free pass pn her comprehensive lie about the carbon tax (yes, LIE!) and yet wank on endlessly about an Abbott promise regarding the GST for a term that has not yet commenced for a govt not yet elected. your credibility is like Rudds.  liar and now cheater.

All I did was point out that what Abbott said was different from what you attributed him saying ???? You conservatives need all the help you can get with comprehension ???

You went a bit over the top probably because you don't like being wrong - sorry about that.

We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST. and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST. Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument?

These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little.

At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people.

These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:27pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:12pm: All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality.  The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for Australian Socialist Equality Party... http://www.sep.org.au/website/ ... 8-) No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges. All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good.

Bolsheviks will not do away with progressive taxation because that is the best way to clamp down on bourgeoisie criminal exploitation and black economy activity..   The struggle never ends ...

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax.

The GST was announced before Howard won the election, he never said never ever, quite the contrary.
But your labor, if you are so generous, why don't you abolish the GST? Oh no, you'd rather have another tax on something, and whinge and whinge about the GST, which you keep forgetting to remove, why would you, it's nice to have it in your fat little pockets, isn't it?

AXE THE TAX.

I personally do not believe that we will have an increase in GST but I think it would be 100% more likely that the Liberals would do it than Labor.

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:12pm: All three Neo-Lib parties would broaden and increase the GST, its in their DNA...only The Australian Socialist Equality Party will guarantee you not only that they will not increase and broaden the GST but that they will repeal it and introduce a steeply gradiated regime of progressive tax instead which will focus on fairness and equality.  The Greens wont do this, the ALP and Coalition wont do this because they are not the progressive left alternative you are looking for Australian Socialist Equality Party... http://www.sep.org.au/website/ ... 8-) No, Whitey, only a proletariat revolution will achieve the aims of Australian workers. The Australian Socialist Equality Party are capitalist stooges. All wages shall be paid by the state. No more bourgeois capitalist appeasement. We need to seize the means of production and do away with taxes for good. Bolcheviks will not do away with progressive taxation because that is the best way to clamp down on bourgeoisie criminal exploitation and black economy activity..   The struggle never ends ...

The only way to destroy the kulak elements is to crush them entirely. In the interim stage of socialism taxes may not be abolished, but the transition to communism MUST see this happen. We're seeking to end class struggle here, not having a bourgeois garden party.

This transition will be managed by the people for the people. Only the vanguard of the proletariat and its true leader can achieve this historical transformation.

I trust you know who that is, comrade.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST. and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST. Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument? These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little. At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people. These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase.

you are a complete wanker.  I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense.  Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA.  It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

Forget your bourgeois "socialist" frauds, comrade. Only a full workers' revolution will achieve our ends.

Right on.

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

AXE THE TAX.

Tax the Axe.....

Swagman wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe.....

Stop the slogans!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans!

I like Turtles

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles

Tax the boats!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats!

Tax the Tax

All members of the proletariat including refugees have the right to move to any country with full entitlements of citizenship. :)

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats! Tax the Tax

Stop the suppositories!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats! Tax the Tax Stop the suppositories!

Suppository the boats!

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

All members of the proletariat including refugees have the right to move to any country with full entitlements of citizenship. :)

Only socialist countries, comrade. We don't want our lot corrupted by bourgeois filth.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead. Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him? but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase. but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one :(

Hear hear Nail,
don't mention the tax on online sales.
It's a forbidden subject this election just like negative gearing.

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats! Tax the Tax

tax the fat!

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:48pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:43pm: Verge wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:42pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:39pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:17pm: AXE THE TAX. Tax the Axe..... Stop the slogans! I like Turtles Tax the boats! Tax the Tax Stop the suppositories!

STOPPER the suppositories.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 4:04pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead. Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him? but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase. but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one :( Hear hear Nail, don't mention the tax on online sales. It's a forbidden subject this election just like negative gearing.

talking of a couple of suppositories....

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 4:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead. Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him? but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase. but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one :( Hear hear Nail, don't mention the tax on online sales. It's a forbidden subject this election just like negative gearing. talking of a couple of suppositories....

Longy,
Listen A. hole  - what's Tony's policy on those 2 items?

Communism will solve all problems comrades.... 8-)

wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:38am:

What are the odds on a GST rise? Date     August 12, 2013 Be prepared, a rise in the GST is on the cards. When Joe Hockey, the man likely to become the next Federal Treasurer, says that all options will be considered as part of achieving a revamped tax system, that screams a message, "negotiations are open to increase the GST".      :o

Would you feel much better if Abbott stated
"there will be no GST increase under a government I lead"???
Perhaps not.
The fact remains that our taxation system is being regularly reviewed by both parties when they are in power, and this alone should not be a cause of alarm to the hand wringing set.
KRudd's scare tactic is just that, a scare tactic.
He might have had better luck with a Workchoices scare campaign instead.
Either way, Rudd's lies and scare tactics are clearly being seen through for what they are.
He is clearly quite desperate.

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 5:03pm:

Communism will solve all problems comrades.... 8-)

We'll end class struggle. That'll show them.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 4:04pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:12pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:10pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:00pm: this is pitiful.  there will be no change in the GST during the next govt.  that is all ANY govt can promise and in this case Abbott has done exactly that. The irony is the faux outrage from the laborites who support a party and leaders who lie all the time. Abbott says - there will be no increase in GST under a Govt. I lead. Since all politicians lie - how can you trust him? but you have to read the fine print because he didn't exclusively rule it out. He said that it relies on all state governments to agree to an increase. but I bet you he will put a gst on ALL online sales because his libbo mate Gerry Harvey wants one :( Hear hear Nail, don't mention the tax on online sales. It's a forbidden subject this election just like negative gearing. talking of a couple of suppositories.... Longy, Listen A. hole  - what's Tony's policy on those 2 items?

you are such a suppository.  (and yes the inference was intended)

Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 5:03pm: Communism will solve all problems comrades.... 8-) We'll end class struggle. That'll show them.

The class struggle will never end, embrace it...look at China, they are turning back to Maoism, Russia is taking another look at Communism, Socialism is on the rise in Europe, communist bloggers throughout Canada, the US, the UK and Aus are springing up everywhere...these are observable signs I am witnessing.  Neo-Liberalism has triggered its own crises and down fall which is immanent... 8-)

Caps off to whatever party has the guts to revisit the GST.

The watered down implementation we got was crap.

But my guess?
4.3 to 1

I say no chance.
WA will not agree to a rate increase while they are getting screwed over.
The rest of the states would never agree to give WA a better share.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST. and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST. Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument? These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little. At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people. These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase. you are a complete wanker.  I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense.  Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA.  It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there.

Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct.

Torpedo wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:36pm: We are not talking about Gillards broken promise here its about the Never ever GST under any government I lead tax. The biggest new tax we were ever promised we would never ever have tax. The GST was announced before Howard won the election, he never said never ever, quite the contrary. But your labor, if you are so generous, why don't you abolish the GST? Oh no, you'd rather have another tax on something, and whinge and whinge about the GST, which you keep forgetting to remove, why would you, it's nice to have it in your fat little pockets, isn't it?

he never said never ever, quite the contrary.

Sorry but you are 100% wrong.

If I were a conservative this is the point where I would not be saying you are wrong but accusing you of lying. But not being a conservative I can leave the door open to assume that you just don't know what you are talking about.



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He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia." Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy." Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html

You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price. 

Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price?

Some people have short memories or don't want to acknowledge this!!

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g

We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

The odds of events occurring in my thread is greater than that of the GST increasing

Quote:

Architecture of Australia's tax and transfer system Box 10.5: Administration of the GST base Clauses 32‑36 of the Intergovernmental Agreement on the Reform of Commonwealth‑State Financial Relations set out the administration arrangements applying to the GST. Any change to the rate or the base of the GST must be unanimously agreed by the Australian government and all the States. Purely administrative changes only require the majority support of the Australian government and the States. These arrangements mean that the base and rate of the GST have been more stable than otherwise may have been the case. The rate of the GST has remained unchanged since introduction eight years ago. This compares to countries such as New Zealand and South Africa, which increased their rates of similar value added taxes within three years of introduction. Further, there have been no major changes to the GST base since its introduction, which again is unusual when compared to other countries such as South Africa (where products such as basic foods and paraffin have been made GST free) and France (where the entire value added tax system was revised). The terms of reference for this review exclude examination of the rate and base of the GST. http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/content/Paper.aspx?doc=html/publications/papers/report/section_10-06.htm

salad in wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates.

Paul Keating:


Quote:

Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 6:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST. and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST. Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument? These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little. At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people. These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase. you are a complete wanker.  I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense.  Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA.  It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there. Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct.

its very easy to dispute what you say.  In fact as regards the GST you get just about everything wrong.  you hate it. you hate howard and you hate Abbott.  that pretty much affects every post and every thought you have.  So you just make crap up. It was well discussed at the time that the well-off would end up paying more in tax than they did before because now a 10% tax applied to a lot of things there was nothing on before - expensive items the rich bought.

and you are still a wanker because where the GST is concerned, your hands remain firmly in your pants while you continually fabricate 'facts' in total conflict with truth.  you and Bob Ellis really would have a great old time together sharing your bitter hatred of Libs and celebrating each others total disinterest in truth, logic or mental health.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody.

and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened.

could you be any stupider...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

if we need to increase the GST, then why?

because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt...

you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's...

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc....

so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place...

because of dickheads in Labor... 

its not rocket surgery...  :o

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:28pm: salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody. and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was.

Abbott is no match for Keating -

Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive.

It would have been a no contest.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:28pm: salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody. and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was. Abbott is no match for Keating - Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive. It would have been a no contest.

you said the same about Howard and look how that worked out.  keating was flogged by the second biggest margin EVER

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 6:55pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:40pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:31pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 1:27pm: Neferti wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:35pm: You guys haven't a clue about the GST. Prior to the 10% GST there was Sales Tax (plus a Wholesales tax) on ALL items of between 10% and 33% ... when the GST came in many items were reduced in price.  Didn't you notice that electrical goods, TV, etc suddenly went down in price? Got anything we didn't all know ?? The overall impact was a heap more money for the government and where most of the big item reductions went to the more affluent the lower income sections of the community were paying the lions share of additional tax. People who earn too little to pay tax all pay GST. and people who earn little then spend little therefor paying less GST.  people who wear a lot spend a ot and therefore pay more GST. Are you the only simpleton who failed to understand that intuitively obvious argument? These people and people who earn little then spend little - or all they have now pay tax where previously they paid very little. At the higher end it was mostly the Luxury goods which attracted the highest tax rates which were removed. Items went from about 40% tax to 10%, items in many cases almost exclusively bought by higher income people. These were not items bought by pensioners or the unemployed, they got a 10% tax increase. you are a complete wanker.  I don't think even anyone in the ALP would concur with your masturbatory nonsense.  Why don't you email Bob Ellis and offer to write and article for IA.  It would be right in tune with the mental illness on display there. Switch to insults when you can not dispute the fact that what I say is correct. its very easy to dispute what you say.  In fact as regards the GST you get just about everything wrong.  you hate it. you hate howard and you hate Abbott.  that pretty much affects every post and every thought you have.  So you just make crap up. It was well discussed at the time that the well-off would end up paying more in tax than they did before because now a 10% tax applied to a lot of things there was nothing on before - expensive items the rich bought. and you are still a wanker because where the GST is concerned, your hands remain firmly in your pants while you continually fabricate 'facts' in total conflict with truth.  you and Bob Ellis really would have a great old time together sharing your bitter hatred of Libs and celebrating each others total disinterest in truth, logic or mental health.

It's you that's making things up LW (as always)
Everything that was sold prior to the GST had some form of tax included be it sales tax and or wholesale tax.
The biggest items to rise in cost was services, electricity 10% more on the bill, Gas 10% more there was no tax on these services before but luxury items  cars big Tv's and so on dropped in price.

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm: The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened. could you be any stupider... the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... if we need to increase the GST, then why? because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt... you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's... installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc.... so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place... because of dickheads in Labor...  its not rocket surgery...

the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up...

I think you have your arguments mixed up?

installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up....

I am not aware of one pink bat being removed.

school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc

That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value.

could you be any stupider

If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

...

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:45pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm: The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened. could you be any stupider... the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... if we need to increase the GST, then why? because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt... you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's... installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc.... so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place... because of dickheads in Labor...  its not rocket surgery...  the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... I think you have your arguments mixed up? installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... I am not aware of one pink bat being removed. school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value. could you be any stupider If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

are the old 'good value' argument.  $600,000 for a canteen the size of a single carport and it didn't even have aircon.  the design fee for this?  $110,000!!!!

ever built a house?  What do you think you would get for $600K?  let's be generous and say that since it is a govt job the price is doubled. what do you think you could build for $300K?   any way you look at it, the cost for a single small room was monstrously inflated.

the reason the govt says that it was 'good value' is because A) the policy actually worked (they were able to build them) and B) no one died doing it.

By ALP standards it was perhaps a stellar success.  but by any half-reasonable determination it was a grossly over-inflated project of building things that may or may not have been needed with little to no attention to value-for-money at all.

I'm not opposed to increasing the GST if we get something back for it .... I'd be happy for GST to be applied across the board on all consumables, and scrap income tax and stamp duty. Or at least make income tax free up to $1m per year. Of course, company tax shall remain as is. Of course, pensions and unemployment benefits will need to be adjusted accordingly.

This would see a boost in revenue to govt. and more disposable income to everyone.

Have you known Bobby for 15 years longy?

Quote:

Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.

Agreed. Like all former PMs... Fraser, Hawke, Howard and Gillard.

They should all disappear from public appearances and utterances.
The day after they leave office they join the ranks of irrelevant has-beens.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:09pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:02pm: True Blue... wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:45pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm: The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened. could you be any stupider... the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... if we need to increase the GST, then why? because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt... you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's... installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc.... so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place... because of dickheads in Labor...  its not rocket surgery...  the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... I think you have your arguments mixed up? installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... I am not aware of one pink bat being removed. school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value. could you be any stupider If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way. are the old 'good value' argument.  $600,000 for a canteen the size of a single carport and it didn't even have aircon.  the design fee for this?  $110,000!!!! ever built a house?  What do you think you would get for $600K?  let's be generous and say that since it is a govt job the price is doubled. what do you think you could build for $300K?   any way you look at it, the cost for a single small room was monstrously inflated. the reason the govt says that it was 'good value' is because A) the policy actually worked (they were able to build them) and B) no one died doing it. By ALP standards it was perhaps a stellar success.  but by any half-reasonable determination it was a grossly over-inflated project of building things that may or may not have been needed with little to no attention to value-for-money at all.

oh please, you have one or two examples across the whole country that you keep repeating as if it was common.. when in fact your example is the exception.

I can tell you that under Fahey (NSW) I painted a govt. property 3 times in one month ... and got paid 3 times for the same property. Of do you think lib governments don't waste money?

John Smith wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

I'm not opposed to increasing the GST if we get something back for it .... I'd be happy for GST to be applied across the board on all consumables, and scrap income tax and stamp duty. Or at least make income tax free up to $1m per year. Of course, company tax shall remain as is. Of course, pensions and unemployment benefits will need to be adjusted accordingly. This would see a boost in revenue to govt. and more disposable income to everyone.

I agree with John there.

I see longy has deleted his post where he said to Bobby "and you said the same thing about keating and Howard and look what happened there, second biggest defeat in history".

Tell me longy did you delete the post because you wanted to take it easy on bobdown, or was it because you were caught out once again making false statements about what people have said?

Dnarever wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:02pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:45pm: Dnarever wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:02pm: The GST raises more money by taxing pensioners, the unemployed the poor the low paid single mothers, the disabled and disadvantaged while giving the wealthy a tax cut. What a great idea in the true Liberal tradition, its a robin hood tax. Take from the poor to give to the rich. I doubt that it will go up but there is a real prospect of the base being widened. could you be any stupider... the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... if we need to increase the GST, then why? because every State and Federal Labor government has gotten us into massive debt... you know.. Sending out $900 cheques to everyone to piss away... sending them out to dead people.. sending thousands of them over seas to sheep shagging Kiwi's... installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc etc etc.... so if it does go up or gets extended then ask yourself why it had to increase in the first place... because of dickheads in Labor...  its not rocket surgery...  the GST is a fair tax of which the rich can't dodge like they could under the old sales tax set up... I think you have your arguments mixed up? installing pink batts and then taking them back out again because they buggered it up.... I am not aware of one pink bat being removed. school halls programme that cost at least double the market value... etc That's more bull shite - over 98% were found to be good value. could you be any stupider If I am the stupid one how come you could not refute one thing I said but got everything you had to say incorrect???? The evidence seems to point the other way.

can't argue with that last point highlighted..

the old sales Tax put up to 26% tax on some foods and items while others had nil%

so... my point is... the GST IS a fairer tax... that it puts just 10% across the board...

except across some food items... which is should be applied to...

your argument about the GST is taking money off the poor to give directly to the rich is just too stupid to even engage... if you realised this you'd retract your stupid comments...

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:49pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:28pm: salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody. and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was. Abbott is no match for Keating - Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive. It would have been a no contest. you said the same about Howard and look how that worked out.  keating was flogged by the second biggest margin EVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIeVEf5alk

I rest my case.  ;D

Quote:

In March 2010 the Federal Government announced a proposal to remove foil insulation or make it safe from 50,000 houses and undertake another 150,000 inspections.[/quote] [quote]On 22 April 2010, the then Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, announced that the Federal Government would abandon the scheme that was planned to replace the Home Insulation Program. Combet also revealed that about half of the 73,000 rebate claims did not comply with the program rules. The replacement scheme was axed after advice from former Secretary of the Defence Department, Dr Allan Hawke.[19] The cost of the Home Insulation program was estimated to have cost around $1 billion and another $1 – $1.5 billion was needed to rectify the problems associated with the program

more wasted Tax Payers $$$


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In May 2010, the Federal Government announced that it would give cash handouts of up to $500,000 to insulation companies affected by the abolition of the rebate scheme. Combet said applications had opened for a $15 million compensation fund.

it just goes on and on and smacking on.... why would any halfwit vote for this mob...

would you like me to go on Dnarever ... i'll smacking bury you under a mountain of Labor waste pal...

wake up you nincompoop...  >:(

True Blue... wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:30pm:

Quote: In March 2010 the Federal Government announced a proposal to remove foil insulation or make it safe from 50,000 houses and undertake another 150,000 inspections.[/quote] [quote]On 22 April 2010, the then Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, announced that the Federal Government would abandon the scheme that was planned to replace the Home Insulation Program. Combet also revealed that about half of the 73,000 rebate claims did not comply with the program rules. The replacement scheme was axed after advice from former Secretary of the Defence Department, Dr Allan Hawke.[19] The cost of the Home Insulation program was estimated to have cost around $1 billion and another $1 – $1.5 billion was needed to rectify the problems associated with the program more wasted Tax Payers $$$ [quote]In May 2010, the Federal Government announced that it would give cash handouts of up to $500,000 to insulation companies affected by the abolition of the rebate scheme. Combet said applications had opened for a $15 million compensation fund.

it just goes on and on and smacking on.... why would any halfwit vote for this mob...

would you like me to go on Dnarever ... i'll smacking bury you under a mountain of Labor waste pal...

wake up you nincompoop...  >:([/quote]


mob?

guess who's been reading Murdock's papers?   ;D

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The third and final report by Brad Orgill found that BER projects in NSW, QLD and VIC overpaid for buildings by more than 25% on average compared to Catholic schools and more than 55% compared to Independent schools

of course the schools were happy with only about 3% of complaints... but they got a new building for NOTHING... who would complain?

but the report by Brad Orgill shows the REAL WASTE...

Education Revolution.. pfft.. since this debacle Australian Education standard have actually gone backwards on world standings... 

not one kid got smarter with the billions of dollars Labor have thrown at schools... why?

because they have no plan, they have no standards, they have no programs to educate, test and measure performances and to find out whats going wrong..

they just throw money at IT and hope for the best...

I've never seen a worse government in the History of Australia..

they couldn't run their fingers up their own bums let alone run a country...  >:(

So first Bob Brown and now Keating, Bobby.

You seem to jump to the defense of the kind of people you profess to disliking....

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 7:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:28pm: salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody. and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was. Abbott is no match for Keating - Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive. It would have been a no contest.

We are talking about the pig farmer?

Keating was one of our greatest PMs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIeVEf5alk

Verge wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 8:39pm:

I see longy has deleted his post where he said to Bobby "and you said the same thing about keating and Howard and look what happened there, second biggest defeat in history". Tell me longy did you delete the post because you wanted to take it easy on bobdown, or was it because you were caught out once again making false statements about what people have said?

actually I didn't delete the post.  I never do.  Has it been deleted?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 9:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:51pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:49pm: longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:28pm: salad in wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:25pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:21pm: Paul Keating "If Tony Abbott becomes PM, God help us!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WQvtq6Hn6g We remember the Hawke/Keating locust years. What was it....something like 17% interest rates. Paul Keating: Quote: Tony Abbott is an intellectual nobody. and Keating is JUST A NOBODY that few care about and even less listen to.  he suffers relevance deprivation syndrome.  Abbott will be PM and damn sight longer than Keating was. Abbott is no match for Keating - Keating in his hey day would have eaten Abbott alive. It would have been a no contest. you said the same about Howard and look how that worked out.  keating was flogged by the second biggest margin EVER https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIeVEf5alk I rest my case.  ;D

but who beat who in the election, you suppository?

How can the Government keep a straight face when accusing Abbott of cost issues when they've not hit a single forecast in six years and write down the forecasting by $33bn just 10 weeks after the last one???!

Frankly their own record is atrocious.

Longloser,

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but who beat who in the election, you suppository?

Dear Longy,
would you stop using peter puffer words in your replies?
You seem to be obsessed by homosexuality -
if you are one - just admit it.

Yes - Keating lost that election but he clearly
laid out the true values of your Liberal mates in that speech.

Keating knows where the skeletons are in the Libbos closet.

The Libbos got a mining boom & were able to take advantage of it - all due to Keating.

Labor got handed bad cards with the GFC.
I reckon the Libbos would have borrowed just as much -
anything to stay in power - all parties are the same -
all liars & cheats but Keating had a certain honesty.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

Longloser, Quote: but who beat who in the election, you suppository? Dear Longy, would you stop using peter puffer words in your replies? You seem to be obsessed by homosexuality - if you are one - just admit it. Yes - Keating lost that election but he clearly laid out the true values of your Liberal mates in that speech. Keating knows where the skeletons are in the Libbos closet. The Libbos got a mining boom & were able to take advantage of it - all due to Keating. Labor got handed bad cards with the GFC. I reckon the Libbos would have borrowed just as much - anything to stay in power - all parties are the same - all liars & cheats but Keating had a certain honesty.

bump to Longloser.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 11:28pm:

Longloser, Quote: but who beat who in the election, you suppository? Dear Longy, would you stop using peter puffer words in your replies? You seem to be obsessed by homosexuality - if you are one - just admit it. Yes - Keating lost that election but he clearly laid out the true values of your Liberal mates in that speech. Keating knows where the skeletons are in the Libbos closet. The Libbos got a mining boom & were able to take advantage of it - all due to Keating. Labor got handed bad cards with the GFC. I reckon the Libbos would have borrowed just as much - anything to stay in power - all parties are the same - all liars & cheats but Keating had a certain honesty.

look, anal probe...  the mining boom began nearly a decade after Keating was booted.  try and keep up with actual facts.

damien wrote on Aug 12^th, 2013 at 10:25pm:

We are talking about the pig farmer?

Yes he came out of his political career where he spent a few decades farming various Liberals including Mr Howard and just continued his normal farming duties in his private business.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 9:46am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm: Longloser, Quote: but who beat who in the election, you suppository? Dear Longy, would you stop using peter puffer words in your replies? You seem to be obsessed by homosexuality - if you are one - just admit it. Yes - Keating lost that election but he clearly laid out the true values of your Liberal mates in that speech. Keating knows where the skeletons are in the Libbos closet. The Libbos got a mining boom & were able to take advantage of it - all due to Keating. Labor got handed bad cards with the GFC. I reckon the Libbos would have borrowed just as much - anything to stay in power - all parties are the same - all liars & cheats but Keating had a certain honesty. look, anal probe...  the mining boom began nearly a decade after Keating was booted.  try and keep up with actual facts.

Longy - stop being so gay - try & act like a man.

What about APEC?

What Are The Odds On A GST Rise.

About 16.5 to 1

Bobby. wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 10:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 9:46am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:28pm: Longloser, Quote: but who beat who in the election, you suppository? Dear Longy, would you stop using peter puffer words in your replies? You seem to be obsessed by homosexuality - if you are one - just admit it. Yes - Keating lost that election but he clearly laid out the true values of your Liberal mates in that speech. Keating knows where the skeletons are in the Libbos closet. The Libbos got a mining boom & were able to take advantage of it - all due to Keating. Labor got handed bad cards with the GFC. I reckon the Libbos would have borrowed just as much - anything to stay in power - all parties are the same - all liars & cheats but Keating had a certain honesty. look, anal probe...  the mining boom began nearly a decade after Keating was booted.  try and keep up with actual facts. Longy - stop being so gay - try & act like a man. What about APEC?

what about OPEC, suppository?

Longweekend is gay.

He can't help it.