Today is a very important anniversary:


http://gulftoday.ae/portal/cbf4684f-b31a-4e87-a678-9288188b92d1.aspx



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Remembering Hiroshima day August 06, 2013 It was August 6, 1945. Colonel Paul Tibbets eased the throttle of the Bomber B-29 Superfortress, “Enola Gay”. The aircraft picked up speed and lifted off into the dark night sky from the Tinian airbase, a small North Pacific island, dotting the Pacific Ocean, 1,500 miles south of Japan. In the cargo bay of the bomber aircraft sat a 10-foot tall metal structure, code-named the “little boy” the first ever atom bomb, with 64kg uranium-235 at its core. Fifteen minutes into the flight, captain William S. Parsons started arming the device. The final countdown of a highly secret mission was on, a mission to test the destructive power of an atomic device. An atomic device had never been field-tested till then. At 7:25 in the morning, the aircraft, flying at an altitude of 26,000 feet, reached its destination over the town of Hiroshima and started its final decent. At 8:16, it released the bomb which detonated at 1,900 feet above the ground. Colonel Tibbets, now back on his home run, saw a massive mushroom of smoke and felt the aftershocks. The bomb flattened everything in a five-mile radius of the town, killing 70,000 people instantly, taking the lives of 80,000 more in the subsequent months. The destructive power of bombs is expressed in terms of TNT. One kilogramme of TNT can destroy everything in a 6x6 ft room. Thousand kilograms make a tonne. The Hiroshima blast had a power of 20,000 tonnes of TNT.

It's amazing we're still here after WW2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19kvUiHvAE

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

It's amazing we're still here after WW2

Lucky it was the Yanks that had the bomb and not the Japs hey.... :-?

The Bomb saved more lives than it took anyway.

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:08pm: It's amazing we're still here after WW2 Lucky it was the Yanks that had the bomb and not the Japs hey.... :-? The Bomb saved more lives than it took anyway.

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to
stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:26pm:

I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe

Sabre rattling?

The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

Swagman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath.

No - Japan had already lost.
The USA didn't need to invade Japan.

Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

unfortunately, the Japanese didn't agree. yes, their war was lost but they weren't giving to give up without a bloodbath.

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK.  Hiroshima was barely a blip.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

[ No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Wrong.

The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima: 6 and 9 August 1945.

Emperor Hirohito announces surrender of Japan : Sept 1945.


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The surrender of the Empire of Japan on September 2, 1945, brought the hostilities of World War II to a close. By the end of July 1945, the Imperial Japanese Navy was incapable of conducting operations and an Allied invasion of Japan was imminent. While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders, (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six"), were privately making entreaties to the neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese. Meanwhile, the Soviets were preparing to attack the Japanese, in fulfillment of their promises to the United States and the United Kingdom made at the Tehran and Yalta Conferences.

There were thousands of allied prisoners working in slave conditions in Japan when the bombs were dropped.

The order from the Japanese High Command was that the moment allied forces made landfall in Japan, all the PoWs were to be killed.

Thousands worked in Japanese coal mines. Next to the ventilation shafts above the mine tunnels ~ 44 gallon drums of petrol were stored in readiness for the allied invasion.

Upon being told of allied landfall, the Japanese guards were to herd the prisoners into the mines and blast the entrances shut.

And then they were to pour the petrol down the shafts and set it all alight.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:55pm:

a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK.  Hiroshima was barely a blip.

Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian.

The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21tC-JxWXA

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone.

Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity.


The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history.


I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:55pm: a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK.  Hiroshima was barely a blip. Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

Millions! Math crime?




Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan; now this is where your "millions" comes in, estimated civilians killed by japanese forces 5.5 to 30 million, mostly chinese.

Try reading a non-fiction book or at the very least try to do the same basic research as the rest of us.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:17pm:

Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan;

When you look at how much of Japanese cities were destroyed in firebombing, the less than 1 million figure doesn't seem very plausible

No wonder they say history is written by the victors.



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700,000 to 10,000,000 (variously estimated) — Japanese civilians died in WWII http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/peaceinthepacific/numbers

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:41pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 2:17pm: Try less than 1 mil japanese civilian deats by all forces against japan; When you look at how much of Japanese cities were destroyed in firebombing, the less than 1 million figure doesn't seem very plausible No wonder they say history is written by the victors. Quote: 700,000 to 10,000,000 (variously estimated) — Japanese civilians died in WWII http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/peaceinthepacific/numbers

History is always written by the victors it is one os the benefits of winning.


The japs killed a sh1t load more civvies than were killed by the allies, so they shouldn't complain too much, good thing they surrendered when they did or there would be a lot more than the various guesstimates around the place.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:55pm: a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK.  Hiroshima was barely a blip. Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21tC-JxWXA

And the Japanese Army killed millions of civilians all over asia. If they didn't want an A bomb dropped on them then they shouldn't of started the war.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:55pm: a statistic worth noting when you refer to 70,000 dead in Hiroshima... the average death tool in WW2 was 215,000 PER WEEK.  Hiroshima was barely a blip. Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21tC-JxWXA

the aversion to bombing civilians in wartime is a recent thing.  in WW2 both sides bombed civilians all the time. BOTH sides.

If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war.

It wouldn't have been very good for the Chinese. They killed millions upon millions of them . They even dropped plague infected flees on them. The Japanese at the time  were absolute barbarians. According to the Japanese Army every human that wasn't Japanese was seen as a subhuman. What a smacking stupid post.

Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all.

Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think?  If I was Japanese I would be ashamed.

Big Dave wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:01pm: Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all. Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think?  If I was Japanese I would be ashamed.

That's all American propaganda.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

Big Dave wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:11pm: Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:01pm: Japan was a progressive nation that believed in equality for all. Why did they kill so many people from China, Korea, Vietnam, Phillipines, Burma, Indonesia New Guinea, etc etc. They made slaves of civilians and POWs and worked them until they died. They tortured and murdered POWs and civilians also. They did medical experiments human beings. That's a funny way of showing equality. What do you think?  If I was Japanese I would be ashamed. That's all American propaganda.

I sense a troll... or a fool.  Perhaps both.

Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

If only the Japanese had won, the world would be have been a better place. There would be no more fighting or conflict. Only the USA and its allies cause war.

Just what this place needs another idiot troll.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 2:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone. Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity. The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history. I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing.

I consider myself an expert on WW2.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 3:51pm:

the aversion to bombing civilians in wartime is a recent thing.  in WW2 both sides bombed civilians all the time. BOTH sides.

The good old days when the strategy of 'Total War' was not a computer game but a military doctrine for winning.


Maybe the next time the lefties complain that wars aren't being won decisively enough, maybe they could recommend this doctrine for all future conflicts, always fewer refugees when there are fewer civilians.

The Frankfurt School and Antonio Gramsci were right. The West is evil. Inequality only occurs in the West. All non-Europeans nations are perfect.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 2:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone. Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity. The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history. I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing. I consider myself an expert on WW2.

I can't see why, when you seem to be totally devoid of valid kowledge on the subject.

Maybe you should stop listening to that voice in your head and read a book, that voice is an idiot.

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary.

It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary. It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked. Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

You seem to be extremely well read on the imminent surrender of japan, maybe you should post your peer reviewed evidence so we can all change our minds on the subject.


I prefere not to be reading revisionist history or personal blogs but the valid facts that they were going to surrender but it took not one nuke but two and a massive fly over before they picked up the phone.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 2:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone. Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity. The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history. I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing. I consider myself an expert on WW2.

nobody else does.  In fact, it is only the likes of SOB, skippy and pansi that stop you vying for a Stupid and Uninformed award.

you are a dumb schmuck.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary. It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked. Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

rubbish.  There was little evidence at all that the truly fanatical Japanese were willing to even consider surrender.  keep in mind that even Hiroshima didn't get an immediate surrender.  it required the second bombing to get them to surrender.

Japanese behaviour during the war... now THAT is a war crime.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 1:51pm:

Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime?

Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war of annihilation and cruel dictatorship over sovereign nations. Who do you think gave succor, and comfort, and encouragement to the Japanese soldiers when they were on home leave?

Who do you think would have benefited if Japan had won the war?

The citizens of an aggressor nation are very much involved in providing comfort and assurance to their solders.

***

But sadly, True Colours ~ you don't really give a cracker one way or the other about the rights and wrongs of the situation.

As a Muslim ~ your only interest is to condemn America with whatever your Islamic instincts can drag up for you.

It's as a Muslim that you are motivated to condemn America in sympathy with your 'brothers' overseas.

And it's for this reason that I see people like you as being 5th columnists living amongst us like snakes in the grass.

As a Muslim you would know that our politicians and prime ministers since the end of WW2 have been pathetically weak individuals with no guts, no balls, no manhood.

Feeble, limp-wristed prostitutes to the Ethnic Vote since the end of the war. 

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:47pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 2:04pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Swagman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:38pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 12:26pm: I think the main reason the Yanks dropped it was to stop Stalin from thinking about taking on the allies in Europe Sabre rattling? The main reason they dropped the bomb was to show Japan what they had and to try and prevent an invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have been an absolute bloodbath. No - Japan had already lost. The USA didn't need to invade Japan. Japan was no longer a threat to anyone. Pity you were not there to tell the Japanese that, or read anything on WWII or have any sort of broad general knowledge of world events; pity. The japanese were not a spent force are the invasion of okinawa can attest and to say the the invasion of japan was not needed only show your extreme igorance of military history. I don't know why you try to participate in these types of discussions, you are nearly always wrong and you go out of your way to learn absolutely nothing. I consider myself an expert on WW2. nobody else does.  In fact, it is only the likes of SOB, skippy and pansi that stop you vying for a Stupid and Uninformed award. you are a dumb schmuck.

Longy,
you're a troll who has invaded my thread
& your opinion is worthless.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

There is plenty of evidence, if you care to look for it, that Japan was about to surrender and the the bomb was unnecessary. It was dropped to deter Stalin and also because the scientists who built couldn't wait to see how well it worked. Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain crimes against humanity.

Yes - Stalin was the reason that it was dropped.

That is my considered conclusion too.

On June 22, 1945, the Emperor told the Big Six members of his Cabinet: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily started and efforts made to implement them. It was agreed to seek Soviet aid to end the war. Source: Wikipedia.

On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo wrote to Sato, Japanese Ambassador to Moscow: "It is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift end to the war." Source: www.spectacle.org.

The Americans had broken most Japanese codes and knew what was going on.

Crimes against humanity - so were the massacres of prisoners, the killing of missionaries in New Guinea including children, the vile acts perpetrated against native populations (who responded after the Bismark Sea Battle by ensuring that no Japanese survived making land after being sunk), the purgatory handed to subject 'comfort women', the beheading of captured airmen, and so on endlessly.... as perpetrated by our modern Allies, the Japanese.

Estimates of up to one million allied casualties from a landing on the Japanese mainland.... I say bomb 'em all, let god sort 'em out.

Crime against humanity was not enough bombs.

But that is now in the past..... let us move on - both sides.....

Footnote:-  I suppose the poster would have objected to sowing the Ho Chi Minh trail with radioactive waste to save American and Australian and South Vietnamese etc lives... a plan which was mooted......

When you go to war, the gloves are off... get used to it .. coming to a world near you.. soon!



"Colonel Paul Tibbets eased in the four throttles of the B-29, revving the massive engines to full power, then releasing the brake.  As the heavily laden aircraft slowly gathered speed down the runway, his co-pilot held the throttles hard against the stops to gain as much extra power as possible.. after all.... a similarly laden B-29 had crashed on takeoff just a week ago from the same runway...

Slowly the ungainly bird lifted off the ground and headed for its rendezvous with destiny.... a Japanese city similar to Dresden, which, having no significant war industries, had been largely spared the massive Allied bombing campaign, and to which the Germans, like the Japanese to Hiroshima, had sent their children ... for safety.....

What better way to bring home to the fanatical leadership of Japan that their campaigns of terror and death across the Pacific and in Asia had borne deadly fruit of their own creation - a deadly mushroom soup that would haunt humanity for eternity"......

Yes - there were uncountable atrocities on all sides in WW2.

The world went so crazy that it's wonder we're still here.

When we listen to Cosmos - check the SETI project -
we wonder why we don't hear any radio signals from other civilizations.

Maybe the reason is that when they become advanced they wipe themselves out?

It was only about 60 years after inventing radio that we had the capacity to wipe out our whole planet - 10 times over.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

On June 22, 1945, the Emperor told the Big Six members of his Cabinet: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily started and efforts made to implement them. It was agreed to seek Soviet aid to end the war. Source: Wikipedia. On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo wrote to Sato, Japanese Ambassador to Moscow: "It is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift end to the war." Source: www.spectacle.org. The Americans had broken most Japanese codes and knew what was going on.

On Friday, June 22nd, 1945 - the Americans overcame the last pockets of resistance on Okinawa. During the period of conflict over the island, the Japanese suffered 120,000 dead - the US 12,500 dead and 35,000 wounded. Kyushu (Nov/1945) and Honshu (Mar/1946) were next on the American invasion plan.

Given their experiences on other islands occupied by the Japanese, they were understandably cautious when estimating their projected losses if they were to attempt to invade Japanese home turf. And duly horrified when they did the math.

So:

August 6th - Hiroshima bombed.

August 9th - Nagasaki bombed.

August 15th - Emperor Hirohito surrenders.

Who was that Japanese soldier pulled out of the jungle after 25 years? Still fighting! The Philippines, was it?

Too bad about the civilians, but the government at the time didn't seem to care. Or the fact that Japanese armies had killed a lot more Chinese than the Germans had killed Jews.

A HBO miniseries called 'The Pacific' offers some insights. If you thought 'Saving Private Ryan' was graphic, hang onto your hat!

Isn't it funny, that you never consider the Malayan Emergency as a 'war'. I suppose that viewpoint arises from your lack of appreciation of the risk faced by those who do the dirty work. One assumes that if it had been you who had been bayoneted 3 times while lying in a ditch and then waiting for aid, that you might hold different attitudes to those you express.

While you may express disagreement with the USA as regards foreign policy, your ignorance of the plight of those who answered the call to defend is somewhat chilling.

Never mind the signed-up casualties, eh?

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

On June 22, 1945, the Emperor told the Big Six members of his Cabinet: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily started and efforts made to implement them. It was agreed to seek Soviet aid to end the war. Source: Wikipedia. On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo wrote to Sato, Japanese Ambassador to Moscow: "It is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift end to the war." Source: www.spectacle.org. The Americans had broken most Japanese codes and knew what was going on.

Emperor Hirohito broadcasting to the nation in August 1945...


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...Despite the valor of our land and naval forces, despite the valor of our heroic dead and despite the continued efforts the situation has not taken a turn for the better and neither has the aspect of the world situation taken a more favorable turn. Moreover, the enemy has employed its outrageous bomb and slaughtered untold numbers of innocent people. ...Accordingly, to continue the war under these circumstances would ultimately mean the extinction of our people and the utter destruction of human civilization. Under these circumstances how were we to save the millions of our subjects or justify ourselves to save the spirits of our Imperial ancestors.

By his own admission, the bombs hastened his decision to declare an end to the war.

Every day that this decision was being delayed through 'negotiations', and 'consultations', and 'diplomatic approaches', and 'proper protocols', and bureaucratic red tape ... etc etc ... this was costing the lives of prisoners who were starving and diseased in PoW camps right across South East Asia, the Pacific, and in Japan itself.

The bombs stopped any further procrastinations.

It did the job it was intended to do.

source

Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud.

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud.

The Japanese knew they were losing in 1944 - they only stopped fighting after the bombs were dropped. Some of them, not even then.

The Americans baulked at the human cost of invading the Japanese homeland. Germany was already gone.

Given what they'd already seen, who could blame them?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:48pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 9:38pm: Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud. The Japanese knew they were losing in 1944 - they only stopped fighting after the bombs were dropped. Some of them, not even then. The Americans baulked at the human cost of invading the Japanese homeland. Germany was already gone. Given what they'd already seen, who could blame them?

Lionel,
You've got to be kidding.
We still live with nuclear weapons over our heads to this day.
The fact that an atom bomb was used by one power
to win a war changed our history forever.

It shows what we as humans are capable of doing -
and that is frightening.

As I said - it's amazing that we're even here to talk about it -
that there is anyone still left.

What about all the false alarms since then?
The Cuban missile crisis could have led to a nuclear war.

Au contraire, Bobby. The Americans may have been the first to use it, but the technology was well on the way to being developed before WWII's end.

Care to imagine if Hitler had realised his goal and then distributed such technology amongst his Axis partners?

Care to imagine what might have happened if the Chinese got involved in a land invasion of Japan - after Nanking?

How many civvies went up in smoke in Dresden?

My only concern with modern-day nukes is that the jihadists might get their hands on some.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war

So they all deserve to die the? Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

The citizens of an aggressor nation are very much involved in providing comfort and assurance to their solders.

legitimate targets then?



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

But sadly, True Colours ~ you don't really give a cracker one way or the other about the rights and wrongs of the situation.

Wrong. It is deeply ingrained in the Australian psyche to sympathise with underdogs oppressed by nasty governments. It is probably borne out of the early convicts who were brutally mistreated by the pom government when they stole a loaf of bread to feed their starving families.

Of course a foreigner like you who is brought up in culture of sycophancy and subservience to the ruling classes and aristocracy wouldn't understand that.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

you are motivated to condemn America in sympathy with your 'brothers' overseas.

I am motivated by a distaste for injustice - and I see plenty of it coming from the US nowadays.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

I see people like you as being 5th columnists living amongst us like snakes in the grass.

I see people like you and Rupert Murdoch as traitors who would sell out Australia for American interests.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

Feeble, limp-wristed prostitutes to the Ethnic Vote since the end of the war.

Ironically, you are the ethnic lecturing to a 5th generation Australian. If you don't like it here nick off back to the UK or wherever it is you claim to be from. Perhaps you can go get a passport from the US that you so desperately love - although I suspect that they wouldn't want you as you don't have enough money to buy a passport like Rupert did.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:19pm:

It was only about 60 years after inventing radio that we had the capacity to wipe out our whole planet - 10 times over.

It has just been serendipity that the free democracies won against the Germans and the Japanese ~ and had the wherewithal to keep communist Russia more or less contained.

These happy outcomes were by sheer good luck.

There was never any guarantee that Germany and Japan would be defeated.

The odds are that a future attempt by aggressor nations might not end to our advantage. 

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war So they all deserve to die?

If you deliberately misrepresent my position, then there's no point in discussing things with you.

Did I say they 'all deserve to die'? Come on. Smarten yourself up or I'll just have to let you go.

My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military.

Bear in mind that the soldiers of a defending nation are as morally innocent as are their civilians.


True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

Ah. Here's the Muslim speaking again.

How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem?


True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

I am motivated by a distaste for injustice

Really? I'm surprised to hear you say that.

Was Saddam Hussein running a 'just-and-fair' Police State regime before the US & Co engineered a Representative Democracy in that country in which 8 million of its citizens lined up voluntarily to vote in their very first democratic election?

You're being very Muslim in your attitude. America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right?

What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve in recent months if not the outcome that the Americans achieved in Iraq?

What do you think the rebels in Syria are trying to achieve if not to rid themselves of a dictatorship as the Americans did in Iraq?

What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve if not to equip and train the locals to fight against Taliban oppression?

Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam? Your local imam? Your father and uncles?

Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life.

THINK FOR YOURSELF.

You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims.

The current US president is pro-Palestinian. How does that sit with your prejudices against the US?


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:12pm:

I see people like you as being 5th columnists living amongst us like snakes in the grass.

True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

I see people like you and Rupert Murdoch as traitors who would sell out Australia for American interests.

;D

I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy where Islam is only a blip on the radar.

You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country.

A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war.


True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

Ironically, you are the ethnic lecturing to a 5th generation columnist Australian.

When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse.

There are no atheists in trenches? There are no America-haters in trenches either, when our lives depend upon them.


True Colours wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

If you don't like it here nick off back to the UK or wherever it is you claim to be from.

My bags are already packed... and guess what? I'm sneaking some pig processed foods to eat on the plane. Bacon sandwiches. Pork liverwurst. Pork pies. Pork sausages. Pressed ham.  :P

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

On June 22, 1945, the Emperor told the Big Six members of his Cabinet: "I desire that concrete plans to end the war, unhampered by existing policy, be speedily started and efforts made to implement them. It was agreed to seek Soviet aid to end the war. Source: Wikipedia. On July 12, Foreign Minister Togo wrote to Sato, Japanese Ambassador to Moscow: "It is His Majesty's heart's desire to see the swift end to the war." Source: www.spectacle.org. The Americans had broken most Japanese codes and knew what was going on.

that's not the words of surrender.  not even close. 

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Hirohito had already made the decision and the Americans knew it. They remain the only nation to use nuclear weapons, hardly an act of which to be proud.

it took them 9 days after Hiroshima to surrender.  that alone tells you how likely they were to surrender without a second bomb.

it was justified.

They were cruel barbarians who indulged in officially sanctioned torture and the most horrible of war crimes against the Chinese and the allies and were fully supported by their civilian populace. zero sympathy for the Japanese or the Germans.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war So they all deserve to die? My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military.

So you are justifying targeting women and children with nukes.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem?

How about you stop deflecting and answer the question. You said it is OK to nuke the civilians of aggressors. So are you happy to apply the same standard to the people that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are you a hypocrite?



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Was Saddam Hussein running a 'just-and-fair' Police State regime before the US & Co engineered a Representative Democracy in that country in which 8 million of its citizens lined up voluntarily to vote in their very first democratic election?

Let's be honest Herbert, the justification that Bush and Howard gave us for going to war was WMDs - which turned out to be a lie.

The US-led invasion has only brought chaos and turmoil to the country because the US destroyed all the institutions that kept order in the country. The US made sure that the Iraqi army was completely disbanded and prevented anyone connected o the Baathist Party (which was most people) from entering politics. This all guaranteed the rise to power of extremist Iranian-backed Shi-ite groups.




Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right?

Here is a list of countries that the US has attacked since 1890. You can ask them.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html




Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve

The removal of the US-financed (to the tune of $1bn per year) military dictators.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve...?

US hegemony.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam?

Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims?
Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society?



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life. THINK FOR YOURSELF

I sincerely hope that you take your own advice.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims.

No. I believe that they are equal-opportunity destroyers.


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

The current US president is pro-Palestinian.

Garbage.

"We will stand steadfast with Israel..."
- Obama


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy

You and Murdoch are traitors who put the interests of other countries before Australia's. I want what is best for Australia. You do not.



Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country.

I think you just need to exchange me for Abbott, and Islam for Catholicism, and you would hit the nail on the head


Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war.

Locking up people based on religion. See you and Hitler have so much in common.




Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:04am:

When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse.

Anyone who thinks that the US will help Australia out is deluded. The US is motivated primarily by self-interest.

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm: True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:51pm: Yeah except that Hiroshima was all civilian. The US killed millions of Japanese civilians. War crime? Of course not. They were the citizens of the nation that started a war So they all deserve to die? My position is: If by sacrificing a few 'civilians' this strategy will shorten the war and save countless lives ~ then I believe this to be a legitimate and moral alternate to letting the war drag on with further loss of life, both civilian and military. So you are justifying targeting women and children with nukes. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: True Colours wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:40pm: Does the same logic apply to the nations that started the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? How about you say a few words about how it was that during the Bosnian War Christian fighter pilots were strafing and dropping bombs onto Christian militia on behalf of Muslim Bosnians? Not a problem? Let's be honest Herbert, the justification that Bush and Howard gave us for going to war was WMDs - which turned out to be a lie. The US-led invasion has only brought chaos and turmoil to the country because the US destroyed all the institutions that kept order in the country. The US made sure that the Iraqi army was completely disbanded and prevented anyone connected o the Baathist Party (which was most people) from entering politics. This all guaranteed the rise to power of extremist Iranian-backed Shi-ite groups. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: America ~ 'The Great Satan' ~ right? Here is a list of countries that the US has attacked since 1890. You can ask them. http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: What do you think the Egyptian mobs have been trying to achieve The removal of the US-financed (to the tune of $1bn per year) military dictators. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: What do you think the American intervention in Afghanistan is attempting to achieve...? US hegemony. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: Tell me True Colours ~ who is feeding your Muslim brain with hate messages about the US being the enemy of Islam? Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims? Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society? Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: Going through life with such a resentful and distorted view of the realities will not make for a happy life. THINK FOR YOURSELF I sincerely hope that you take your own advice. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: You've obviously been coached and tutored to believe that everything the Americans do is a plot against Muslims. No. I believe that they are equal-opportunity destroyers. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: The current US president is pro-Palestinian. Garbage. "We will stand steadfast with Israel..." - Obama Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: I see people like you as being far more loyal to the politics of Islam than you being loyal to Australia continuing as a secular Western democracy You and Murdoch are traitors who put the interests of other countries before Australia's. I want what is best for Australia. You do not. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: You people (not all) are very definitely sleeper-moles for the advancement of Islam in Australia. Ultimately you would like to see Islam predominate as the premier dominant political force in this country. I think you just need to exchange me for Abbott, and Islam for Catholicism, and you would hit the nail on the head Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: A great many of you should be in internment camps for exactly the same reason as the Italians and Germans were interned during the war. Locking up people based on religion. See you and Hitler have so much in common. Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:04am: When the chips are down, and some megalomaniac chooses to invade Australia ~ you'll be down at the American Embassy in Canberra with all the rest of us, begging the ambassador to tell the US administration to send troops to save our arse. Anyone who thinks that the US will help Australia out is deluded. The US is motivated primarily by self-interest.

don't be so stupid as to compare Iraq and japan. 

On TV SBS tonight:


http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=269202&event_id=54442685&region_id=94


Quote:

Hiroshima: The Next Day (Repeat)  9.40pm - 10.40pm SBS ONE Tonight The atomic bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 was a moment that changed the world. The power that fuelled the stars had been unleashed and turned into a lethal technology. In this program, survivors describe their own experiences of the explosion, while scientists break down the bomb's devastating effects: radiation, heat, blast and fire. The film also considers the other legacies of Hiroshima: the long-term effects of radiation and the lasting implications of humanity's newfound power to destroy the world

Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki.

True Colours wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

date=1375792849] Who is feeding your fascist brain with hate messages about Muslims? Rupert Murdoch? Alan Jones? the EDL? Q Society?

Getting nervous, are you?

None of the above. It's Muslims themselves who are informing me of how I should view them.

'All your own work' ~ you could say.

But what really pisses you people off is that the previous PC censorship of negative news stories about immigrant Muslim mischief has slowly been eroding over the past few years because of the sheer volume of anti-social activities emanating out of immigrant Muslim communities.

You preferred it far more when the cowards of the media kept a lid on reporting Immigrant Muslim Mischief.

So now you people blame the messengers ~ Alan Jones et al ~ not because they tell lies, but because they no longer baulk at telling the truth.   

Switched on the 6 o'clock Ch9 news last night. Yes, you guessed it. Within 10 minutes there were two stories of Muslims Getting up to Mischief in Sydney. Shootings, and sundry violence.


Quote:

Approximately 3.4% of Sydney's population are Muslims ...

And let's not forget that this 3.4% are WAY more saturated from birth with Islamic religiosity and identity than their Christian counterparts. 

source.

The whole damn lot of you should be shipped offshore to a detention centre for sorting out and re-distributing to other countries which will take you.

You people are a Biblical plague upon this nation ~ making the goddamn news every night of the year.

If this 3.4% minority were English Christians I would be saying exactly the same thing: Get rid of them.

***

Why not be honest for a change, True Colours?

Do you believe even for the briefest moment that a Middle Eastern Muslim country would put up with a tiny minority of immigrant Christians filling their jails; being the leaders in the Unemployment Dole ratings; the leaders in Welfare rorts of one kind and another; criminal gangs; drugs-and-illegal-firearms; nightly news of violence on the streets of the cities... etc ?

Any sane government would mount a major internal Home Affairs operation to deport the troublemakers, and the criminals, and the radical imams ~ out of the country.

Ask ANY Muslim in Australia what punishment they believe would be the greatest threat to the mischief-makers and the criminals in their community, and with one voice they would say: "Deportation".

Jail holds no fears for Muslim troublemakers in Australia.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki.

A day of celebration for this action having saved countless thousands of lives across the Pacific and China.

Soldiers, navy personnel, airforce personnel, PoWs outside and inside of the Japanese mainland, and God knows how many civilian Japanese as the allies would fight house-by-house, town-by-town against fanatical resistance from the remnants of the Nipponese army.

It was only a short time later that due to the courage it took to drop those bombs there were scenes of celebration in Sydney's George Street, Trafalgar Square in London, and Times Square in New York.

We also owe a debt of thanks to those unfortunate souls who perished in these strategic bombings that were designed to put an abrupt end to the war.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 12:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 11:01am: Today - August the 9th marks the anniversary of Nagasaki. A day of celebration for this action having saved countless thousands of lives across the Pacific and China. Soldiers, navy personnel, airforce personnel, PoWs outside and inside of the Japanese mainland, and God knows how many civilian Japanese as the allies would fight house-by-house, town-by-town against fanatical resistance from the remnants of the Nipponese army. It was only a short time later that due to the courage it took to drop those bombs there were scenes of celebration in Sydney's George Street, Trafalgar Square in London, and Times Square in New York. We also owe a debt of thanks to those unfortunate souls who perished in these strategic bombings that were designed to put an abrupt end to the war.

You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us.
We still live with nukes over our heads every day.

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us.

What horrifies me is that the pressing of a nuclear war button ultimately rests with the president of the US.

It's a HUGE flaw in the system that such a decision rests with a single individual who can be harboring any kind of impulsive madness in his subconscious. 


Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 1:31pm:

We still live with nukes over our heads every day.

It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?

Bobby ~ wouldn't it be boring if all we had hanging over our head was bat sh*t in the evenings when the flying-foxes return to their roosts?  8-)

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm: You are forgetting that it also started a cold war that nearly killed all of us. What horrifies me is that the pressing of a nuclear war button ultimately rests with the president of the US. It's a HUGE flaw in the system that such a decision rests with a single individual who can be harboring any kind of impulsive madness in his subconscious.  Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm: We still live with nukes over our heads every day. It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it? Bobby ~ wouldn't it be boring if all we had hanging over our head was bat sh*t in the evenings when the flying-foxes return to their roosts?  8-)

You should not joke about the end of the world.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm: We still live with nukes over our heads every day. It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it?

Kinda miss the old days when we were nuclear capable and Amberly was one of half a dozen first strike target in Australia. Good thing brisbane decided to become a nuclear free zone during the 80s otherwise they could have been in trouble.  :)

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 2:01pm: Bobby. wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 1:31pm: We still live with nukes over our heads every day. It adds to the excitement of everyday life, doesn't it? Kinda miss the old days when we were nuclear capable and Amberly was one of half a dozen first strike target in Australia. Good thing brisbane decided to become a nuclear free zone during the 80s otherwise they could have been in trouble.  :)

Don't worry - Pine Gap would still be on the Russian & Chinese list.

Oh boo-dam-hoo