While Kevin woos Labor, Therese embroiled in UK labour scandal

by Guy Rundle in London |  Feb 25, 2012 6:37PM  | EMAIL | PRINT

Ingeus Ltd, the employment and placement company run by Therese Rein, has become embroiled in the “welfare-to-work” scandal currently engulfing the UK.

The company is one of three major private sector managers of the Cameron government’s various welfare-to-work schemes, in which unemployed people receiving the job-seekers allowance are put in full-time work placements.

Yesterday, A4E, the second-largest manager of the schemes, was exposed as using people on the program to work unpaid in its own offices. Four people in the group have been arrested on charges of fraud, and the firm’s head, Emma Harrison, has stepped down from her position as chair of the firm. She also had a role as the government’s “family tsar”.

The furore over the program erupted this week after a focus on the involvement of Tesco, with accusations that it was using the scheme as a substitute for actual employment. Crucial to this process was the use of sanction — the program focused on youth is meant to be voluntary, with those on benefits allowed to back out of it within the first week.

But those using the scheme have told the media they have been threatened by client companies and the scheme’s private providers with negative reports that would see their benefits reduced or suspended should they quit the placements.

The scheme offers no training for participant while providing free basic labour to large corporations. Many of them — especially the supermarkets — have recently reduced their workforce by thousands after replacing check-out aisles with self-service check-outs.

For participating companies the welfare-to-work scheme is therefore not only free but actually reduces overall paid employment, offering companies free, flexible labour units, to be moved around and applied wherever necessary for short work periods.

Following the revelations about the scheme and the providers, major groups have started to withdraw at a rapid clip. Oxfam and Sainsbury’s pulled out immediately, with Poundland (everything £1) — the single most depressing store chain in history — also refusing to continue.

Critics of the scheme were denounced as “job snobs” by the minister responsible, Chris Grayling (Royal Grammar, Cambridge, BBC trainee ‘85, BBC producer ‘86 — just fancy that!), who called the Right To Work campaign a “front” for the Socialist Workers Party, without telling us why that invalidated their arguments.

He later accused them of hacking his emails. He later withdrew the accusation.

Ingeus, whose website features an encouraging video message from Rein, has refused to comment about its detailed involvement with the scheme, citing commercial privacy. But Ingeus is a larger manager of such schemes than the now-disgraced A4E, and stated this week:


“We have not sought the permission of MWA placement providers to publish their names so will not be able to issue you with a list at this time. However, I can confirm that our clients are placed with a wide range of community-based organisations and charities which benefit the local community, in accordance with the provider guidance issued by DWP.”

Well, maybe. But details about A4E emerged at the other end — from FOI requests placed on the Department of Work and Pensions — and there may be a lot more to come. So for the sake of all Rein-Rudd family activities, full disclosure might be a good idea.

It’s great to give unemployed training and the opportunity for meaningful activity. But it’s becoming clear — not that it was ever in doubt — that such schemes are postmodern peonage, designed to give the appearance of action on structural unemployment while giving major corporates a profit lift. No one with any association with Labour should have any part of them.

Europe , ALP leadership, ALP leadership spill, Kevin Rudd, Therese Rein, UK government, UK welfare-to-work

wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ.

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ.

Red cant help himself.

If it is true, then  it is true John, you see when you tread in a pile of sh.t the stuff usually sticks. Funny isn't it? How the past seems to bob up at the most inappropriate time, like weeks out from an election.

I mean the article, it is either true or it is untrue...personally I'm backing in true.

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:23pm:

If it is true, the  it is true John, you see when you tread in a pile of sh.t the stuff usually sticks. Funny isn't it? How the past seems to bob up at the most inappropriate time, like weeks out from an election. I mean the article, it is either true or it is untrue...personally I'm backing in true.

actually I really couldn't give a sh1t if it's true or not ...

Therese is not a politician and for you to try and score some political points by using her just shows what a low ba$tard you really are.

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The scheme offers no training for participant while providing free basic labour to large corporations

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welfare-to-work schemes, in which unemployed people receiving the job-seekers allowance are put in full-time work placements

Sounds even worse than our useless WfD.


A positive outcome for everyone except the one needing the assistance.

And if anyone wanted to put me into a "welfare-to-work scheme(s), in which
unemployed people receiving the job-seekers allowance are put in full-time
work placements", I'd damned-well be demanding a full-time smacking wage for
it, not the dole.

But, work full-time, for essentially nothing? Sorry, but no. That's plain wrong.

Well that is precisely the point isn't it John Smith...you don't give a sh.t about the truth....your words.

Your honour, I rest my case.

The left have no shame, its OK to f#ck workers over and kill boat people ... as long as its not John Howard thats doing it  ;D

It was only a matter of time before the brave men started beating up on Therese..
Its Tonys uni days all over again  :D

It is not a matter of beating up on a woman adelcrow...It is a matter of the truth being told.

Now read the bloody article about what Rein's Company was doing to those unemployed kids in the U.K. and then tell me I'm being harsh.

Because someone has a nice smile doesn't make them a saint.

Its OK to beat up women as long as its not Tony Abbott thats doing it.  ;D  ... the left are after all furiously working behind the scenes to muslimize the lot of us and we all know that the mussies are the most appalling women abusers on the planet ... clitorectomy anyone?  :D

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

It is not a matter of beating up on a woman adelcrow...It is a matter of the truth being told. Now read the bloody article about what Rein's Company was doing to those unemployed kids in the U.K. and then tell me I'm being harsh. Because someone has a nice smile doesn't make them a saint.

Ya know, Mr. Baron, really.  This is a new low for you.  Go back to the Article you linked and please copy 'n paste (and post) any specific allegation made against Rein's Company.  Go on, toddle off now, read, and then come back without that egg on your face.

You're the Lawyer Aussie, go on and represent your client, which in this case seems to be Therese Rein.

You see for every millionaire that's out there, there is usually victims involved in the mix.

In the case I have stated, it would appear  that the unemployed were being taken for a right royal ride.

Of course this has never happened before.

It is always the weakest and the ones who most cannot defend themselves that become prey to the predators of the business world.

It has been my life experience that in most fortunes founded, there usually is ill fame involved somewhere along the way...and always victims...always.

Red I would have to agree with most here. 

This is a cheap shot. You are much better than that.

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Ingeus Ltd, the employment and placement company run by Therese Rein, has become embroiled in the “welfare-to-work” scandal currently engulfing the UK. The company is one of three major private sector managers of the Cameron government’s various welfare-to-work schemes, in which unemployed people receiving the job-seekers allowance are put in full-time work placements.

So that's it is it?
No reference to Ingeus being investigated?

Surely this is not the "Big Scoop" you were touting a couple of weeks back.....

:D

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

It is not a matter of beating up on a woman adelcrow...It is a matter of the truth being told. Now read the bloody article about what Rein's Company was doing to those unemployed kids in the U.K. and then tell me I'm being harsh. Because someone has a nice smile doesn't make them a saint.

BS!!!
This is the second time you have tried this, today.
Give up, red, you are starting to look as silly as maqqa.....

:D

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:42pm:

It is not a matter of beating up on a woman adelcrow...It is a matter of the truth being told. Now read the bloody article about what Rein's Company was doing to those unemployed kids in the U.K. and then tell me I'm being harsh.

I did, and it doesn’t. say anything about what Theresa Rein’s company’s doing to kids. It just says her company was "embroiled in a scandal" involving 2 other companies. In 2012.

What exactly did Theresa Reign do that’s worth a mention in an election campaign?

And no, it’s not a matter of beating up on a woman. You said that when you were beating up on JuLiar.

When she called foul, you said she was too precious. Can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Apart from having a sh!t-eating grin, what’s Theresa done, Red?

Aussie wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 6:42pm: It is not a matter of beating up on a woman adelcrow...It is a matter of the truth being told. Now read the bloody article about what Rein's Company was doing to those unemployed kids in the U.K. and then tell me I'm being harsh. Because someone has a nice smile doesn't make them a saint. Ya know, Mr. Baron, really.  This is a new low for you.  Go back to the Article you linked and please copy 'n paste (and post) any specific allegation made against Rein's Company.  Go on, toddle off now, read, and then come back without that egg on your face.

This'll be good....

:)

I've already answered the Big Scoop, days ago, you have turned your eyes off the ball froggie...you really must learn to pay attention to detail. If you want my answer go back through my posts, it's there.

The thing with Ingeus in the U.K., forgive me for saying but it was fact. Now legally they might have got away with it, but in the real world it reads Recruitment Companies using the Unemployed to turn a nice little profit for themselves...as they say in Seinfeld and Big Business, not that there is anything wrong with that, unless you've got a conscience of course.

Arthur  from Minder would say, "a nice little earner!"

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Red I would have to agree with most here.  This is a cheap shot. You are much better than that.

Beg to disagree....

2nd time today and both have been utter BS.

;D

Lobo wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

Quote: Ingeus Ltd, the employment and placement company run by Therese Rein, has become embroiled in the “welfare-to-work” scandal currently engulfing the UK. The company is one of three major private sector managers of the Cameron government’s various welfare-to-work schemes, in which unemployed people receiving the job-seekers allowance are put in full-time work placements. So that's it is it? No reference to Ingeus being investigated? Surely this is not the "Big Scoop" you were touting a couple of weeks back..... :D

Is it? He said that about JuLiar’s AWU involvement too. Red had enough evidence to send her to Sing Sing for life.

Red get’s it all from Alan’s show and Pickering’s website.

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:34pm:

Well that is precisely the point isn't it John Smith...you don't give a sh.t about the truth....your words. Your honour, I rest my case.

I think the case was rested on your head ...  the book case ... left a permanent injury.

So what truth are you referring to Red? The fact that her company was named? How many people/ or companies are named in investigations? how many of them have actually done any wrong? You must have been a pretty crap copper in your day if this is your best after gaining real life experience.

Red at work ....

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red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

I've already answered the Big Scoop, days ago, you have turned your eyes off the ball *froggie...you really must learn to pay attention to detail. If you want my answer go back through my posts, it's there. The thing with Ingeus in the U.K., forgive me for saying but it was fact**. Now legally they might have got away with it, but in the real world it reads Recruitment Companies using the Unemployed to turn a nice little profit for themselves...as they say in Seinfeld*** and Big Business, not that there is anything wrong with that, unless you've got a conscience of course. Arthur  from Minder would say***, "a nice little earner!"

* Evidently so did everyone else.

** So far you haven't provided any 'fact'.

Equal***  Maybe you need to watch a little less tele and a bit more reality.

:D

Peter if it was a hard boiled businessman that did this to the unemployed, people would be tub thumping all over the place.

But because I have the temerity to publish something that actually happened and involved the P.M.'s very gracious wife, then I have committed some sort of crime.

I don't see it that way. I am not insulting her in the way she conducts herself as a woman; what I am questioning is the ethics of her Company Ingeus in the matter stated.

I totally stand my my comments that the trip to Afghanistan was politically motivated to keep the tide of popularity that Rudd is enjoying bubbling along.

Anyone who thinks different is not living in the   real world.

Regarding my post on the U.K. thing. Look at it from this angle, say you went to a recruitment company then they placed  you with some firm and you worked your butt off but all you got from it was the dole...wouldn't you feel a little put out?

Just posing the question.

You see like Kevin Rudd, Therese Rein appears to have some sort of halo hanging over her.

I'm just posing events that have happened and who made them happen.

If you don't like the truth then I can't help you.

LOL.  That bitch is worth over $200 million - I'd say that puts her squarely in the "evil 1%ers" bracket that you twerps bang on about.

But oh no - we forget all that when we want to protect dear kevvy, don't we, you transparent goons?

Yes Karnal, isn't it great that Julia Gillard lives in our 'little old Colony" because if she was President of the United Sates, she would have been impeached years ago.

Oh and a nice little rider to this happy little story...Mike Smith, the man she got booted off 2UE because he had the temerity to stand up to a P.M....the one who threatened to "nuke the media".  Mike Smith will make his radio comeback at 3.30pm on 2GB in the afternoons.

He didn't get justice but once that hag went at least he got to work again..Mike Smith good luck, I salute your braveness when the world turned their back, you kept at the truth and kept at it and kept at it, you have more guts than most people I know.

Come on, red.....

Admit it.
You've got a thing going for Rudd's missus.

You've been stalking her all day.....

Without much success!

;)

froggie - you are getting too personal about all this.

I am simply saying that you stand or die by what you do in this life. None of us are perfect.

However we ARE ALL responsible for our actions whether they were last week or ten years ago.

If there are victims, then it is on our conscience and always will be.

Red you are trying to use Therese to gain some cheap political points, guilt by association, is that how it works? You have yet to show anyone what exactly Therese is accused off?

stop pretending you are some sort of white knight on the path of justice. You had a hundred shareholder in either of those 3 companies you could have used if that was your real gripe, but you didn't. You singled out one person for political advantage.

So....

Therese Rein runs a company that places the unemployed in what are basically work for the dole positions as part of some government scheme.

Tescos was said to have been abusing this scheme.

Bad Tescos.

Some completely different Job Agency to Therese Rein's got in the poo.

(Did anybody actually read the article?)

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:05pm:

So.... Therese Rein runs a company that places the unemployed in what are basically work for the dole positions as part of some government scheme. Tescos was said to have been abusing this scheme. Bad Tescos. Some completely different Job Agency to Therese Rein's got in the poo. (Did anybody actually read the article?)

Red didn't

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Got to love those lines..does it apply to you? nil net worth? ha!ha!

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:03pm:

froggie - you are getting too personal about all this. I am simply saying that you stand or die by what you do in this life. None of us are perfect. However we ARE ALL responsible for our actions whether they were last week or ten years ago. If there are victims, then it is on our conscience and always will be.

Other than that you have a 'thing' going, what's to get agitated about?
Anyone else would just laugh....

OK!!

What are the irrefutible facts that Rein's company has done the same thing??

:)

so have you found any wrongdoing on Therese's part, in that article yet Red? You'd have to be a low life scum to try and drag someone's wife into the political debate

One more to tail off your night for you, once again from Wall Street:

Carl Fox: "There came into Egypt a Pharaoh who did not know."

Gordon Gekko: I beg your pardon, is that a proverb?

Carl Fox: No, a prophecy. The rich have been doing it to the poor since the beginning of time. The only difference between the Pyramids and the Empire State Building is the Egyptians didn't allow unions. I know what this guy is all about, greed. He don't give a damn about Bluestar or the unions. He's in and out for the buck and he don't take prisoners.

froggie - If you want to put on your Judges hat and talk law, then go talk to Aussie, he is eminently qualified

PS Have to laugh though; Therese Rein is worth millions and millions of dollars, from being a smart business woman and working within the rules set by Big Business and Governments.

I stand by what I posted on comment No 1# if you can't work that out for yourself you poor slob, then go right ahead and worship the rich and famous...frankly it gets a bit smelly for me.

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:06pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:05pm: So.... Therese Rein runs a company that places the unemployed in what are basically work for the dole positions as part of some government scheme. Tescos was said to have been abusing this scheme. Bad Tescos. Some completely different Job Agency to Therese Rein's got in the poo. (Did anybody actually read the article?) Red didn't

Evidently....

:)

Not interested in your quotes Red, I'm interested in your claim of wrongdoing ...... are you going to keep trying to change the topic? After all, this was your topic, you started this thread.

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:19pm:

froggie - If you want to put on your Judges hat and talk law, then go talk to Aussie, he is eminently qualified.

So, you don't have any facts!!

"Evidently"........

:)

I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get???????????????????????????

Poor Red.

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PS Have to laugh though

Yep!!

That's exactly what everyone is doing.....

:D

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get???????????????????????????

And I stand by my earlier opinion of you

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red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

I've already answered the Big Scoop, days ago,!"

What was it, red? You got such a woody over it for so long it must be worth answering again.

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get???????????????????????????

So, you don't have anything to say that Rein's company is doing the same thing.

Stand by a post as long as you like; odds are a dog will come p!ss on your leg sooner or later.

;)

A reprise on a salient point from my post NO.1....have a think about what this little gem is really saying.


Ingeus, whose website features an encouraging video message from Rein, has refused to comment about its detailed involvement with the scheme, citing commercial privacy. But Ingeus is a larger manager of such schemes than the now-disgraced A4E, and stated this week:


“We have not sought the permission of MWA placement providers to publish their names so will not be able to issue you with a list at this time. However, I can confirm that our clients are placed with a wide range of community-based organisations and charities which benefit the local community, in accordance with the provider guidance issued by DWP.”

Well, maybe. But details about A4E emerged at the other end — from FOI requests placed on the Department of Work and Pensions — and there may be a lot more to come. So for the sake of all Rein-Rudd family activities, full disclosure might be a good idea


Know what the Ingeus response  sounds like to me?

It sounds like bullsh.t

It's so sad when people think pollies wives are fair game.

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Know what the Ingeus response  sounds like to me? It sounds like bullsh.t

Sounds like a normal corporate response.....

Why don't we ask andrei??

:D

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ.

INDEED !


Nothing new on the PM ?

Let's drag up some very old rumour and slur on his wife's highly successful career


( ... anyone out there have the URL to Mrs. Abbott's "Margie's Muff Munchers" site, started in her uni days ? ... I seem to have lost it )

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 6:19pm: wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ. INDEED ! Nothing new on the PM ? Let's drag up some very old rumour and slur on his wife's highly successful career ( ... anyone out there have the URL to Mrs. Abbott's "Margie's Muff Munchers" site, started in her uni days ? ... I seem to have lost it )

Red has really been scraping the bottom of the barrel lately ....

Peter Freedman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:20pm:

Red I would have to agree with most here.  This is a cheap shot. You are much better than that.

No, he quite simply is not better than that.

Have you seen some of his threads?

This is typical red.  As the election gets closer we can expect even lower acts from the baron.

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red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:26pm:

I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get???????????????????????????

It's got nothing on Theresa Rein's "past (that) follows us all".

It's an old article.

There's no evidence of TR doing anything shifty, unethical, unlawful or illegal.

From what I can see, her labour-hire company was contracted to facilitate student placements, practicums and internships. What's dodgy about it?

Do you want to clarify this for us, Red?

Karnal wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:26pm: I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get??????????????????????????? It's got nothing on Theresa Rein's "past (that) follows us all". It's an old article. There's no evidence of TR doing anything shifty, unethical, unlawful or illegal. From what I can see, her labour-hire company was contracted to facilitate student placements, practicums and internships. What's dodgy about it? Do you want to clarify this for us, Red?

no he doesn't, that would require him to link his comments to the actual news story ... not likely to happen

adelcrow wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

It was only a matter of time before the brave men started beating up on Therese.. Its Tonys uni days all over again  :D

hahahahahahahahaha

from the man who has done nothing but smear Abbott wife marge over and over and over..and all she has ever done is support her husband..

what a bunch of double standard ba*^$ds

cods wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 6:39pm: It was only a matter of time before the brave men started beating up on Therese.. Its Tonys uni days all over again  :D hahahahahahahahaha from the man who has done nothing but smear Abbott wife marge over and over and over..and all she has ever done is support her husband.. what a bunch of double standard ba*^$ds

And let's face it, that "man" needs all the support he can get.

Anyway, she only has to do it for a few more months.

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•      RUDD’S WIFE EMBROILED IN UK UNEMPLOYED EXPLOITATION SCANDAL.

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“Wonder if Rudd & Hockey get together and compare notes on their wives”


Kevin Rudd’s multi-millionaire wife Therese Rein is in the spotlight in the UK over her private job placement business, which is being accused of exploiting unpaid workers and failing miserably at finding real work.
On top of it all, Rein filled out in official paperwork that her usual residence is in London near Tower Bridge, but since Rudd’s rapid return to power she is claiming that is a mistake, as of course she is the loyal and devoted wife of Australia’s prime minister who resides with him in Brisbane and Canberra.
But it is in her private job placement business—which she started in the early 1990s in Australia with an out sourced contract from the Keating government—that Rein is getting the most attention.
British advocates of workers’ rights have been shocked to discover that a company owned by the wife of a Labor PM in Australia is exploiting unemployed.
Rein’s Ingeus company, and a number of others, have been exploiting a program called Workfare, by placing their unemployed clients into lengthy but unpaid work experience jobs at major corporations such as supermarket chains, with no prospects for a job at the end.
The unemployed have no real choice, because they risk losing their dole payment if they don’t take up the work experience position.
It has meant that the UK taxpayers have been paying the wages bill for thousands of people working for major corporations, but at dole rates. The SUPERMARKET CHAINS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OUT LAYING OFF MANY ACTUAL WORKERS, BECAUSE FIRMS SUCH AS REIN’S KEPT THEM SUPPLIED WITH FREE LABOUR. Rein’s Ingeus even created taxpayer-funded work experience positions in its own branches.
The Australian newspaper on 8 July quoted Joanna Long, a member of the lobby group Boycott Workfare, explaining how the unemployed had no real choice but to work for free with no job prospect at the end. “It is deeply concerning someone so closely connected to the Australian Labor Party is helping to erode labour rights in the UK,” she said. “Ingeus’s plans for their Work Program contract promised six months of forced unpaid work for unemployed people—a recipe for replacing paid work and undermining the minimum wage.”
The other scandal surrounding Rein is that despite her company receiving a five-year, £727 million contract to deliver these job-placement services, it and other similar operations have failed miserably.
Expected that they should find work for 30 per cent of job seekers they get paid to represent, they have instead only found jobs for 13.4 per cent.
Political opponents of the privatised scheme say that it would have been cheaper to bury the billions spent on it, and pay the unemployed to dig up the money, and that in many parts of the country, taking part in the scheme was “worse than doing nothing”.

FOOTNOTE
Mass shortages of employment in UK, Europe, USA, and rising in Australia hidden at moment by part-time and causal figures being treated like full time when talking about unemployment (it’s that bad in Ireland their young people have had to leave in 1000,s every week ) and in Southern Europe and parts of the USA Youth unemployment is high as 80%.
In all the counties that operate under the British Monetary System there is a loss of employment as manufacturing , Farming and any type of industry that is adding value to the materials they work with,
Towards the end of the World War in Europe F.D. Roosevelt really upset Churchill and the British Oligarchs he told them of his plans for rebuilding the world after the War . He was going to teach and help all the counties move to a Credit System, he Was going to teach them and help them introduce Glass – Steagall Act. Plus he was going to teach them the benefits of having a National/Federal Bank and help them get started developing the countries own Bank. He was going to teach them what it means to be a Free Nation State. A few weeks later the British Agent Truman was President and Roosevelt was dead. Further down the track two brothers had mad politics their career and one of them became President and whilst in Office he realised things were not going as well as they should –they were going downhill and he was able to work out it was as a result of Roosevelt Policies being undone and dumped so he started changing course and working towards reinstating Roosevelt Policies one of Kennedy’s his big plans was for NAWAPA North American Water And Power Alliance (now being pushed for by LaRouche Movement) But like Roosevelt he was soon dead. His Brother started campaigning to become President to continue the work of Roosevelt and his brother and he was soon dead. http://media.larouchepac.com/larouche/videos/20111122-nawapa-1964.mp4
In Australia the CEC is fighting for a better Australia and its policies are based on Roosevelt wisdom and knowledge of the great founding fathers of the USA such as Alex Hamilton. The early greats of the Labor Party understood all this and tried to work towards these ideals and were blocked every inch of the way by the Royal families Party the Liberal Party and their coalition partner who Labor replaced as major opposition party. The last of this type of thinking in the Labor Party was truly ended when 2 Britis

Verge wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

It's so sad when people think pollies wives are fair game.

more so when they profit out of the unemployed :(

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Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

Verge wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:35pm: It's so sad when people think pollies wives are fair game. more so when they profit out of the unemployed :(

yeah also when its a LIbs wife they dont give a F....funny that.

hasnt therese always made money out of the unemployed???..I seem to remember her not paying the right rates or something like that?

at least her company..

There is nothing new about a story like this except that the protagonist happens to be the wife of the Australian Prime Minister, the rich have been doing it to the poor since Noah was a boy

Sorry if I have had to upset the delicate geniuses out there but no one makes 200 million dollars in profit without pushing the envelope.

Karnal wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:26pm: I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get??????????????????????????? It's got nothing on Theresa Rein's "past (that) follows us all". It's an old article. There's no evidence of TR doing anything shifty, unethical, unlawful or illegal. From what I can see, her labour-hire company was contracted to facilitate student placements, practicums and internships. What's dodgy about it? Do you want to clarify this for us, Red?

He wont, because there is nothing to clarify....

No substance, no story, no facts, no brain.....

:D :D :D

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 11:40am:

There is nothing new about a story like this except that the protagonist happens to be the wife of the Australian Prime Minister, the rich have been doing it to the poor since Noah was a boy Sorry if I have had to upset the delicate geniuses out there but no one makes 200 million dollars in profit without pushing the envelope.

Why don't you give us one of these as well??

;)

Lobo wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 3:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 30th, 2013 at 9:45am: red baron wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 8:26pm: I stand by post Number 1...what part of that don't you get??????????????????????????? It's got nothing on Theresa Rein's "past (that) follows us all". It's an old article. There's no evidence of TR doing anything shifty, unethical, unlawful or illegal. From what I can see, her labour-hire company was contracted to facilitate student placements, practicums and internships. What's dodgy about it? Do you want to clarify this for us, Red? He wont, because there is nothing to clarify.... No substance, no story, no facts, no brain..... :D :D :D

Perhaps it was on A Current Affair   :-/

Tracy might have the "facts".

Speaking of "facts", red, how is Rolf going?

You don't make 200 million dollars profit without 'gilding the lily'.

I don't see Rudd's family refuting the allegations of what may be legal in terms of the law but is morally reprehensible. Making profits at the expense of unemployed people.

Very clever person Therese Rein.

It is a scandal in the United Kingdom i.e. What companies like and including Rein's Inguese Recruitment Company have done.

Read my previous long post with details of how she made a motza, using the system. 8-)

Every business sets out to provide a service or product all within the framework as set out by both government and markets.

Therese's company provided services as outlined by contracts which they were required to tender for within the framework as outlined by those tenders issued by the government departments themselves.

It was the governments that elected to put these contracts into the hands of private enterprise, which these people tendered for.

If you dont like the fact she has become wealthy from conducting a legitimate, question the conditions which facilitated it, not the people that used it.

Opportunities exist everywhere for people to become successful business people.

Because she made it by providing services for the government doesnt make her any less a success, or any less of a person for doing so.

The government of the time elected to outsource these operations due to inefficienies.  I have yet to see anything that suggests her company in particular has failed in its contractual obligations.

Having tracked your 'long post' back to its source, I find it is connected to The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia.
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The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia (CEC) is a minor nationalist[1] political party in Australia affiliated with the international LaRouche Movement, led by American political activist and conspiracy theorist[2] Lyndon LaRouche. It reported having 549 members in 2007.[3] They have been described as "far right",[4] "fascist" and "lunar right,"[5] as well as "ideologues on the economic Left."[6]
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OK......

:)

Therese Rein made 200 million large by using the loose framework available in the U.K. employment laws, in that her company Ingenuse farmed out workers to shop where they did 'work experience' full time.

They were not paid for those duties, nor was there a position for them at the end of their 'work experience'.

They were 'PAID' the dole.

Many businesses put off full time and casual workers in favour of this system because it didn't cost them a shilling.

Froggie if you think that is alright then you must be certifiable. :D

Lobo wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Having tracked your 'long post' back to its source, I find it is connected to The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia. ------------------ The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia (CEC) is a minor nationalist[1] political party in Australia affiliated with the international LaRouche Movement, led by American political activist and conspiracy theorist[2] Lyndon LaRouche. It reported having 549 members in 2007.[3] They have been described as "far right",[4] "fascist" and "lunar right,"[5] as well as "ideologues on the economic Left."[6] ------------- OK...... :)

Is that wanker (La Rouche) still alive?????

Yeas, he still lives.  What a tosser he was/is!

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Therese Rein made 200 million large by using the loose framework available in the U.K. employment laws, in that her company Ingenuse farmed out workers to shop where they did 'work experience' full time. They were not paid for those duties, nor was there a position for them at the end of their 'work experience'. They were 'PAID' the dole.Many businesses put off full time and casual workers in favour of this system because it didn't cost them a shilling. Froggie if you think that is alright then you must be certifiable. :D

And every one of them should now be give a lump-sum payment containing
full wages for the time they were being rorted, plus a generous compensation
payment and a written apology.

And a job.

But, of course, they'll end-up with nothing. As usual.

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Therese Rein made 200 million large by using the loose framework available in the U.K. employment laws,

Its OK to make 200 million large by using the loose framework available in the U.K. employment laws ... as long as you are not a Liberal  ;)

red baron wrote on Jul 30^th, 2013 at 6:16pm:

Therese Rein made 200 million large by using the loose framework available in the U.K. employment laws, in that her company Ingenuse farmed out workers to shop where they did 'work experience' full time. They were not paid for those duties, nor was there a position for them at the end of their 'work experience'. They were 'PAID' the dole. Many businesses put off full time and casual workers in favour of this system because it didn't cost them a shilling. Froggie if you think that is alright then you must be certifiable. :D

If all you can produce is some out-dated tripe from 'fascist political activists and conspiracy theorists' from the "far and looney right", then I know who is certifiable.

:)

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ.

Not quite as bad as his frothing at the mouth attack on Margaret Whitlam on the day she died.

MOTR wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 6:09am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 29th, 2013 at 6:19pm: wow, trudging up newspaper stories from 18 months ago, on the wife of a politician ... good on ya Red ... your a true champ. Not quite as bad as his frothing at the mouth attack on Margaret Whitlam on the day she died.

Red did that?    ::)

He's all class, the baron.

Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices.

I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works.

At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage.

Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible.

Rudd’s wife makes fortune from workless Britons


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Kevin Rudd’s wife is making a motza from the British policies Rudd deplores:




In a return lodged last December for her international job placement agency Ingeus UK, [Therese] Rein, one of seven directors, states that the country in which she is usually resident is the United Kingdom. Clearly, unlike her spouse, Rein does not fear life under Tory policies.

Last week as justification for his backflip on the ALP leadership Rudd warned of the need to stop Tony Abbott because “his alternative economic policy is to copy the British Conservatives—launch a national slash-and-burn austerity drive and drive the economy into recession as happened in Britain"…

Well every cloud has a silver lining, especially if, like Rein, you’re in the welfare-to-work industry in Britain. For while Rudd might rail against the evils of “Cameronite” policies, a company ultimately 50 per cent owned by Rein’s Australian company Ingeus has bagged contracts worth $1.2 billion under the Tories’ “Work Program”. The policy is intended to secure jobs for the long-term unemployed and other disadvantaged groups.

 

That is a staggering amount of money, and British Labour is wondering what Britons are actually getting for it:





THERESE Rein faces multi-million-dollar contractual problems with the British government after her jobseeker company, Ingeus, failed to deliver on promises to get sufficient numbers of long-term unemployed back to work.

Ingeus ...  faces having some of the lucrative contracts axed before the end of the year…

Opposition works spokesman Liam Byrne noted that, in many parts of the country, taking part in the scheme was indeed “worse than doing nothing"…

Its reputation has been tarnished, especially among the poorest and most disadvantaged, after it coerced some unemployed people to work unpaid for 30 hours a week for up to six months in charity shops and big-name retail outlets.

This “workfare plan”, detailed in Ingeus’s tender document, is mandatory for the claimants to maintain their pound stg. 71.70 a week jobs benefit.. . Ingeus told The Australian “all work experience is voluntary, with the duration determined by the individual"…

Joanna Long, a member of the lobby group Boycott Workfare, told The Australian that the unemployed had no real alternative but to work for free with no job at the end of the period.

“It is deeply concerning someone so closely connected to the Australian Labor Party is helping to erode labour rights in the UK,” Ms Long said…

The latest figures, released last month by the Department of Work and Pensions, underscore a poor performance, dramatically below the government’s target that Ingeus and others would find work for 30 per cent of applicants, which was a minimum figure the government expected would be “significantly exceeded”.

Instead 130,000 of the 1.2 million people who joined the Work Program since June 2011—13.4 per cent—have found employment, a figure well below that which the government believed would have found work without any intervention at all.
 

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:35am:

Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices. I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works. At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage. Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible.

She didnt milk loopholes at all.  She supplied the services as outlined by the government departments that tendered them out.

If you have a problem with the systems, take it up with the people who decided to outsource them, and designed them in the first place - the Government.

Maybe if Governments werent so determined to use the unemployed as a political football then programs like this wouldnt be necessary.

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:35am:

Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices. I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works. At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage. Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible.

Do you actually have any evidence linking Therese Rein to any wrong doing Red???

:-? :-? :-?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:49am:

red baron wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:35am: Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices. I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works. At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage. Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible. Do you actually have any evidence linking Therese Rein to any wrong doing Red??? :-? :-? :-?

Andrew Bolt told him

Red is just jealous that someone as frumpy looking as Therese is a lot smarter than he is ... 

tell me Red how do you feel about police sitting around using speed cameras all day instead of stopping real crime? Profiting from the misfortune of others aren't they?

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:54am:

Red is just jealous that someone as frumpy looking as Therese is a lot smarter than he is ...  tell me Red how do you feel about police sitting around using speed cameras all day instead of stopping real crime? Profiting from the misfortune of others aren't they?

Therese is obviously an intelligent woman, and with driven parents such as her you would expect it to rub off.  Ive just been reading a bit about her father, pretty inspiring man to be honest.

Is Inguese owned by Therese Rein?

Did Inguese make 200 million dollars profits out  of the work programme?

Did Inguese place young people to work for the dole full time in various positions including in their own offices?

Were the young people coerced into doing this under threat of losing their dole payments?

Did Supermarkets in the U.K. sack permanent staff because they could get recruits from Inuese to work there for nothing under so called 'work experience when in fact they were worked full time and receive 'the dole' as their payment, only to get kicked out when the their time ran out?

Is the Pope a catholic?

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:59am:

Is Inguese owned by Therese Rein? Did Inguese make 200 million dollars profits out  of the work programme? Did Inguese place young people to work for the dole full time in various positions including in their own offices? Were the young people coerced into doing this under threat of losing their dole payments? Did Supermarkets in the U.K. sack permanent staff because they could get recruits from Inuese to work there for nothing under so called 'work experience when in fact they were worked full time and receive 'the dole' as their payment, only to get kicked out when the their time ran out? Is the Pope a catholic?

I do not know as the article you posted did not support any wrong doing by Inguese, it criticised its competitor for wrong doing.....The only link you can make is by inference and innuendo without any supporting evidence.....Please post a link to support your claim Inguese has acted illegally.....Your opinion is worthless!!!

::) ::) ::)

John Smith wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:51am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:49am: red baron wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:35am: Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices. I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works. At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage. Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible. Do you actually have any evidence linking Therese Rein to any wrong doing Red??? :-? :-? :-? Andrew Bolt told him

I'm not sure if that's better or worse than Tracy Grimshaw    :-/

What is interesting is it doesnt specifically name her company of any wrong doing.

What is even more interesting is half of her company in Britain was sold in 2011 to Deloitte

Yesterday, A4E, the second-largest manager of the schemes, was exposed as using people on the program to work unpaid in its own offices. Four people in the group have been arrested on charges of fraud, and the firm’s head, Emma Harrison, has stepped down from her position as chair of the firm. She also had a role as the government’s “family tsar”.

The furore over the program erupted this week after a focus on the involvement of Tesco, with accusations that it was using the scheme as a substitute for actual employment. Crucial to this process was the use of sanction — the program focused on youth is meant to be voluntary, with those on benefits allowed to back out of it within the first week.

Nothing on Ms Reins company though.

I guess there is the hope that if you throw enough mud some will eventually stick.

All the lefties are whining like I nailed their feet to the floor.

What I posted on Therese Rein is a regulation catch.

Stop whingeing and suck it up, Therese Rein in no less a robber baron than any of the other rich business people who thrive off the lot of the poor.

Besides the saying there are no friends in business it should also be written and no morals either.

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 12:23pm:

All the lefties are whining like I nailed their feet to the floor. What I posted on Therese Rein is a regulation catch. Stop whingeing and suck it up, Therese Rein in no less a robber baron than any of the other rich business people who thrive off the lot of the poor. Besides the saying there are no friends in business it should also be written and no morals either.

Her company wasnt caught in anything, your own opening post says so.

Man looks in the abyss, there's nothing staring back at him. At that moment, man finds his character. And that is what keeps him out of the abyss.  (Lou Manheim -  Wall Street)

red baron wrote on Jul 29^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

Peter if it was a hard boiled businessman that did this to the unemployed, people would be tub thumping all over the place. But because I have the temerity to publish something that actually happened and involved the P.M.'s very gracious wife, then I have committed some sort of crime. I don't see it that way. I am not insulting her in the way she conducts herself as a woman; what I am questioning is the ethics of her Company Ingeus in the matter stated. I totally stand my my comments that the trip to Afghanistan was politically motivated to keep the tide of popularity that Rudd is enjoying bubbling along. Anyone who thinks different is not living in the   real world. Regarding my post on the U.K. thing. Look at it from this angle, say you went to a recruitment company then they placed  you with some firm and you worked your butt off but all you got from it was the dole...wouldn't you feel a little put out? Just posing the question. You see like Kevin Rudd, Therese Rein appears to have some sort of halo hanging over her. I'm just posing events that have happened and who made them happen. If you don't like the truth then I can't help you.

It's not that they 'don't like the truth' because let's face it, when you're Paid to Post, as most of them are, then they not only don't recognise the truth -- they don't give a shite about truth

all they care about is obeying their masters

in order to get their desperate hands on the paltry shekels

their masters toss at their feet for services rendered


As to why they're here, using this FREE platform in order to Post for Pay

it's because they're living on the taxpayer

and posting for crumbs

because it's easier than work

(although they DO claim to be 'working from home' lol)



Yes Red

let the truth ring loud

I mean, how DID little kevvie and the alleged missus scrape together those millions

How did Keating get his millions, asked the Sydney Morning Herald as they laid out for all to see the wages he'd earned from go to whoa, including the paltry inheritance from his father's estate and taking into account four kids at private school and a stay at home missus


They didn't get it by Posting for Pay, that's for damn sure

Please note: Therese Rein still has a 50% stake in Ingeus in the U.K.


But Rein’s business has been criticised, particularly from those who object to the outsourcing of government functions to “unaccountable” private-sector providers.

In the UK, where the business is 50% owned by accountancy Deloitte, Ingeus was one of the biggest tender winners of the government’s Work Program, receiving $1.4 billion in contracts from the program in 2011. The Cameron government’s Work Program has faced negative headlines, with rival company A4E exposed as having offered the unemployed it was meant to help find work unpaid work in its own offices. Last August, leaked emails showed Ingeus UK had missed some of the targets it was set to meet.

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 9:49am:

red baron wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:35am: Tell you what Greggarry, I don't send young people into Supermarkets to work full time and get paid the dole, so those supermarkets can sh.tcan their permanent staff and pay no wages. I also do not have unemployed young people for the dole full time in my offices. I wouldn't have a clue on how to do that but I believe a company called Inguese owned by Therese Rein has a 200 million dollar profit, about just how that works. At least I have a clean conscience. If you do sh.t in life it is going to fly right into your face at some stage. Get off your high horse Greggarry, Therese Rein made a squillion by milking loopholes in the system...She is very, very clever but morally it is reprehensible. Do you actually have any evidence linking Therese Rein to any wrong doing Red??? :-? :-? :-?

DITTO.....
Still waiting.
Bolt's blog doesn't count.

:D

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Please note: Therese Rein still has a 50% stake in Ingeus in the U.K. But Rein’s business has been criticised, particularly from those who object to the outsourcing of government functions to “unaccountable” private-sector providers. In the UK, where the business is 50% owned by accountancy Deloitte, Ingeus was one of the biggest tender winners of the government’s Work Program, receiving $1.4 billion in contracts from the program in 2011. The Cameron government’s Work Program has faced negative headlines, with rival company A4E exposed as having offered the unemployed it was meant to help find work unpaid work in its own offices. Last August, leaked emails showed Ingeus UK had missed some of the targets it was set to meet.

I think its quite common to critise companies who make their money from programs or practices we have a particular dislike for.

So Red, is it that Therese made the money from providing services you dont like the issue, that the money was made from mostly government contracts or that she is wealthy and married to a prime minister so their wealth places them in a position where you dont think they can understand the "average Australian"?

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 10:08am:

red baron wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 9:59am: Is Inguese owned by Therese Rein? Did Inguese make 200 million dollars profits out  of the work programme? Did Inguese place young people to work for the dole full time in various positions including in their own offices? Were the young people coerced into doing this under threat of losing their dole payments? Did Supermarkets in the U.K. sack permanent staff because they could get recruits from Inuese to work there for nothing under so called 'work experience when in fact they were worked full time and receive 'the dole' as their payment, only to get kicked out when the their time ran out? Is the Pope a catholic? I do not know as the article you posted did not support any wrong doing by Inguese, it criticised its competitor for wrong doing.....The only link you can make is by inference and innuendo without any supporting evidence.....Please post a link to support your claim Inguese has acted illegally.....Your opinion is worthless!!! ::) ::) ::)

DITTO.....

:D

Hope you're patient froggie, because you are going to be waiting an awful long time pal.

It is what it is...you draw your own conclusions.

Verge, I thought I had laid out my  position fairly well.

What I don't like is that Ingeus has made a whole lot of money in placing unemployed people in the workplace for 'work experience', these mainly young people were used in e.g. Supermarkets where they worked as full time employees; however they only received the dole.and they were used as cheap Labour, as the employer didn't have to shell out a penny.

Ingeus also did the same thing by placing them as cheap Labour in their own offices.

If the victims complained they risked losing their dole.

Simply put, I call that the rich and powerful ripping off inexperienced and frightened young people.

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Verge, I thought I had laid out my  position fairly well. What I don't like is that Ingeus has made a whole lot of money in placing unemployed people in the workplace for 'work experience', these mainly young people were used in e.g. Supermarkets where they worked as full time employees; however they only received the dole.and they were used as cheap Labour, as the employer didn't have to shell out a penny. Ingeus also did the same thing by placing them as cheap Labour in their own offices. If the victims complained they risked losing their dole. Simply put, I call that the rich and powerful ripping off inexperienced and frightened young people.

you know if you or I received money from the govt.. ie centrelink and it was found we should not have received it we would have to pay it back...right?

so whats the difference if a company also receives or claims money for a person when they havent in fact found them a real job...

should not they also pay it back?

I would certainly hope so.

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:24pm:

Hope you're patient froggie, because you are going to be waiting an awful long time pal. It is what it is...you draw your own conclusions.

OK...
1.There is NO accuracy to your accusations....
2.You make yourself look even sillier than maqqa.
3.There's coppers, and ex-coppers, shaking their heads in disbelief at your posts.

Having said that....
I wasted 20 min earlier on a noof-noof and I refuse to do it again.

You are the one looking stupid, not me.

:)

red baron wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Verge, I thought I had laid out my  position fairly well. What I don't like is that Ingeus has made a whole lot of money in placing unemployed people in the workplace for 'work experience', these mainly young people were used in e.g. Supermarkets where they worked as full time employees; however they only received the dole.and they were used as cheap Labour, as the employer didn't have to shell out a penny. Ingeus also did the same thing by placing them as cheap Labour in their own offices. If the victims complained they risked losing their dole. Simply put, I call that the rich and powerful ripping off inexperienced and frightened young people.

Let me see if I can get this right ....... Ingeus was paid by the govt. to place long term unemployed into 'work for the dole schemes' using criteria set by the UK government .... the uproar is that a lot of them were placed into supermarkets (within the guidelines set)  at the cost of local jobs, and those placed only got paid the dole.

Red is jumping up and down because he thinks that somehow, Therese's company is responsible for paying these people? Shouldn't you be criticising Tesco Red? We can't have that now can we, they aren't affiliated to the ALP .....

I'll ask you again Red ..... what has Therese done wrong? You may not like her business, much as I don't really like lawyers or professional boxers ... but that doesn't mean she did anything wrong.

cods wrote on Jul 31^st, 2013 at 6:25pm:

red baron wrote on Jul 31st, 2013 at 5:57pm: Verge, I thought I had laid out my  position fairly well. What I don't like is that Ingeus has made a whole lot of money in placing unemployed people in the workplace for 'work experience', these mainly young people were used in e.g. Supermarkets where they worked as full time employees; however they only received the dole.and they were used as cheap Labour, as the employer didn't have to shell out a penny. Ingeus also did the same thing by placing them as cheap Labour in their own offices. If the victims complained they risked losing their dole. Simply put, I call that the rich and powerful ripping off inexperienced and frightened young people. you know if you or I received money from the govt.. ie centrelink and it was found we should not have received it we would have to pay it back...right? so whats the difference if a company also receives or claims money for a person when they havent in fact found them a real job... should not they also pay it back? I would certainly hope so.

you really struggle with basic comprehension don't you ..... the company wasn't paid to find them employment, it was paid to find them positions under an English work for the dole scheme.