Rudd's decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare

KEVIN Rudd's Papua New Guinea solution has bit savagely in west Java, where Afghan asylum seekers have immediately begun telling people smugglers they are cancelling their planned boat trips to Christmas Island.

After the Prime Minister's announcement, it did not take long for the news to circulate in the mountain-top resort city of Cisarua, where an estimated 5000 asylum seekers were awaiting to make boat trips.

By Saturday morning, groups of Afghan men, who are highly visible on the streets, were saying they would never accept settlement in Papua New Guinea and began instructing intermediaries working for the smugglers that they would not be going...

...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000 - told News Corp Australia that they would now register with the UNHCR and wait for legal resettlement because the idea of PNG seemed too shocking to them...

...Noor arrived back in Indonesia last month, ready to try again - and hoping he could bring his family after him.

He was awaiting word of a time to be put on a boat when Mr Rudd's announcement changed his world.

"The decision of Kevin Rudd will stop the boats," said Noor, who with a group of friends, also recent arrivals, said they would no longer be going...

Herald Sun

True Colours wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:50am:

Rudd's decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare KEVIN Rudd's Papua New Guinea solution has bit savagely in west Java, where Afghan asylum seekers have immediately begun telling people smugglers they are cancelling their planned boat trips to Christmas Island. After the Prime Minister's announcement, it did not take long for the news to circulate in the mountain-top resort city of Cisarua, where an estimated 5000 asylum seekers were awaiting to make boat trips. By Saturday morning, groups of Afghan men, who are highly visible on the streets, were saying they would never accept settlement in Papua New Guinea and began instructing intermediaries working for the smugglers that they would not be going... ...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000 - told News Corp Australia that they would now register with the UNHCR and wait for legal resettlement because the idea of PNG seemed too shocking to them... ...Noor arrived back in Indonesia last month, ready to try again - and hoping he could bring his family after him. He was awaiting word of a time to be put on a boat when Mr Rudd's announcement changed his world. "The decision of Kevin Rudd will stop the boats," said Noor, who with a group of friends, also recent arrivals, said they would no longer be going... Herald Sun

How is it reporters can find these people and the local authorities cannot???

Kevin Rudd's policy might just work and be the framework for other destination countries to deal with asylum seekers who take to great a risk to attain freedom!!!

:) :) :)

Wow...and without putting our navy personnel at risk by towing sinking boats all over the ocean..

'Asylum seekers' say "We won't come"

I really, really hope so.....no one deserves to be sent to PNG, it's still a lawless, tribal land.

.........................................................

I'll keep an eye out for $200 a day....gotta watch our coastline now.

Campbell Newman predicts wave of asylum seekers escaping PNG across Torres Strait to Queensland

The Premier demanded Mr Rudd spend more on beefing up border protection measures in the Torres Strait.
''The Torres Strait is a porous border right now,'' Mr Newman said.
''It's only 4km from PNG on to the soil of Queensland.''
''You can go from PNG into Queensland across the Strait in a row boat.''


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http://www.couriermail.com.au/national-news/queensland/campbell-newman-predicts-wave-of-asylum-seekers-escaping-png-across-torres-strait-to-queensland/story-fnii5v6w-1226682432822#ixzz2Zgpb02Re

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:20am:

'Asylum seekers' say "We won't come" I really, really hope so.....no one deserves to be sent to PNG, it's still a lawless, tribal land.

It sucks..and hopefully when this is all settled down the govt will increase our intake of refugees to make up for this policy.
If that happens it will be better for all concerned.

adelcrow wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:23am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:20am: 'Asylum seekers' say "We won't come" I really, really hope so.....no one deserves to be sent to PNG, it's still a lawless, tribal land. It sucks..and hopefully when this is all settled down the govt will increase our intake of refugees to make up for this policy. If that happens it will be better for all concerned.

That would be a great outcome Adel, if they know they will get their turn in three or four years, they would be quite willing to wait....light at the end of the tunnel. It's the hopelessness that drives them to take the risk of climbing aboard dodgy boats.

It doesn't leave TONY with much




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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:28am:

adelcrow wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:23am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:20am: 'Asylum seekers' say "We won't come" I really, really hope so.....no one deserves to be sent to PNG, it's still a lawless, tribal land. It sucks..and hopefully when this is all settled down the govt will increase our intake of refugees to make up for this policy. If that happens it will be better for all concerned. That would be a great outcome Adel, if they know they will get their turn in three or four years, they would be quite willing to wait....light at the end of the tunnel. It's the hopelessness that drives them to take the risk of climbing aboard dodgy boats.

Its unimaginable what would have happened to these people if Abbott and Morrison implemented their policies along with the hate campaign they are so fond of hanging on refugees.
Kevins policy is a bitter pill to swallow but its way better than a hate filled Abbott govt going to town on refugees and then starting on the rest of the countries minority groups.
Lets hope that this releases some of the pressure that was building and ends the hate and fear that the Libs created and then fed off.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:20am:

' '[b]Campbell Newman predicts wave of asylum seekers escaping PNG across Torres Strait to Queensland The Premier demanded Mr Rudd spend more on beefing up border protection measures in the Torres Strait. ''The Torres Strait is a porous border right now,'' Mr Newman said. ''It's only 4km from PNG on to the soil of Queensland.'' ''You can go from PNG into Queensland across the Strait in a row boat.''

Is Campbell Newman working as a marketer for people smugglers?

Why would you want to advertise this to people smugglers and their clientele?


What I would like to see is the Federal and Queensland Government urgently do something about the TB epidemic in PNG. If PNG is as close to Australia as Campbell Newman says how come they are not all coming here for healthcare? Will they all be heading south now that Mr Newman has advertised how close it is?

adelcrow wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:04am:

Wow...and without putting our navy personnel at risk by towing sinking boats all over the ocean..

You mean when you sign up to a life in the services there is a 'no risk' clause? Maybe Army personnel should switch to the Navy.

Quote:

...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000

???

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:03am:

True Colours wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 6:50am: Rudd's decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare KEVIN Rudd's Papua New Guinea solution has bit savagely in west Java, where Afghan asylum seekers have immediately begun telling people smugglers they are cancelling their planned boat trips to Christmas Island. After the Prime Minister's announcement, it did not take long for the news to circulate in the mountain-top resort city of Cisarua, where an estimated 5000 asylum seekers were awaiting to make boat trips. By Saturday morning, groups of Afghan men, who are highly visible on the streets, were saying they would never accept settlement in Papua New Guinea and began instructing intermediaries working for the smugglers that they would not be going... ...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000 - told News Corp Australia that they would now register with the UNHCR and wait for legal resettlement because the idea of PNG seemed too shocking to them... ...Noor arrived back in Indonesia last month, ready to try again - and hoping he could bring his family after him. He was awaiting word of a time to be put on a boat when Mr Rudd's announcement changed his world. "The decision of Kevin Rudd will stop the boats," said Noor, who with a group of friends, also recent arrivals, said they would no longer be going... Herald Sun How is it reporters can find these people and the local authorities cannot??? Kevin Rudd's policy might just work and be the framework for other destination countries to deal with asylum seekers who take to great a risk to attain freedom!!! :) :) :)

couldnt agree more... psycho by all accounts is spending even more mon ey we havent got on advertising in aussie newspapers telling them they cant come here...LOL.. not sure how many languages though..

mind you if psycho losses his seat on the UN over this it might all change.and of course the court case???..I dont think the greens are going to sit back in silence..


do you think its right we shift these problems on to PNG phil?????..

do you really think PNG needs more dysfunctional people.?

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:03am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:03am: True Colours wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 6:50am: Rudd's decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare KEVIN Rudd's Papua New Guinea solution has bit savagely in west Java, where Afghan asylum seekers have immediately begun telling people smugglers they are cancelling their planned boat trips to Christmas Island. After the Prime Minister's announcement, it did not take long for the news to circulate in the mountain-top resort city of Cisarua, where an estimated 5000 asylum seekers were awaiting to make boat trips. By Saturday morning, groups of Afghan men, who are highly visible on the streets, were saying they would never accept settlement in Papua New Guinea and began instructing intermediaries working for the smugglers that they would not be going... ...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000 - told News Corp Australia that they would now register with the UNHCR and wait for legal resettlement because the idea of PNG seemed too shocking to them... ...Noor arrived back in Indonesia last month, ready to try again - and hoping he could bring his family after him. He was awaiting word of a time to be put on a boat when Mr Rudd's announcement changed his world. "The decision of Kevin Rudd will stop the boats," said Noor, who with a group of friends, also recent arrivals, said they would no longer be going... Herald Sun How is it reporters can find these people and the local authorities cannot??? Kevin Rudd's policy might just work and be the framework for other destination countries to deal with asylum seekers who take to great a risk to attain freedom!!! :) :) :) couldnt agree more... psycho by all accounts is spending even more mon ey we havent got on advertising in aussie newspapers telling them they cant come here...LOL.. not sure how many languages though.. mind you if psycho losses his seat on the UN over this it might all change.and of course the court case???..I dont think the greens are going to sit back in silence.. do you think its right we shift these problems on to PNG phil?????.. do you really think PNG needs more dysfunctional people.?

There's always a trade off, PNG also receives a nice funding package that supports better education and health. Do you think the people of PNG don't deserve this?

adelcrow wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:23am:

It sucks..and hopefully when this is all settled down the govt will increase our intake of refugees to make up for this policy. If that happens it will be better for all concerned.

;D

By the same token, let us in the meanwhile not deprive the people of New Guinea of the many multicultural blessings and enrichments that is planned for them through the mass-arrival of Muslims soon to descend upon their shores.

I feel proud ~ nay, jubilant! ~ that our government has finally decided to initiate and facilitate a program of enforced multiculturalism upon the stale and stagnating monocultural inertia of New Guinean society.

It's a proud moment in Australia's history. No longer are we going to selfishly keep these Muslim boat-people for our own advantage towards beefing-up our 'Multicultural Australia' credentials.   




 

I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D

I still think Indonesia should be punished for their lack of interest of in the situation.

Perhaps now we are shipping cattle to them again a simple lace of poison should fix the bastards. 

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:03am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:03am: True Colours wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 6:50am: Rudd's decision will stop the boats, Afghan asylum seekers declare KEVIN Rudd's Papua New Guinea solution has bit savagely in west Java, where Afghan asylum seekers have immediately begun telling people smugglers they are cancelling their planned boat trips to Christmas Island. After the Prime Minister's announcement, it did not take long for the news to circulate in the mountain-top resort city of Cisarua, where an estimated 5000 asylum seekers were awaiting to make boat trips. By Saturday morning, groups of Afghan men, who are highly visible on the streets, were saying they would never accept settlement in Papua New Guinea and began instructing intermediaries working for the smugglers that they would not be going... ...Afghans - who travel cheaper by boat than people of other nationalities, usually paying around $3000 - told News Corp Australia that they would now register with the UNHCR and wait for legal resettlement because the idea of PNG seemed too shocking to them... ...Noor arrived back in Indonesia last month, ready to try again - and hoping he could bring his family after him. He was awaiting word of a time to be put on a boat when Mr Rudd's announcement changed his world. "The decision of Kevin Rudd will stop the boats," said Noor, who with a group of friends, also recent arrivals, said they would no longer be going... Herald Sun How is it reporters can find these people and the local authorities cannot??? Kevin Rudd's policy might just work and be the framework for other destination countries to deal with asylum seekers who take to great a risk to attain freedom!!! :) :) :) couldnt agree more... psycho by all accounts is spending even more mon ey we havent got on advertising in aussie newspapers telling them they cant come here...LOL.. not sure how many languages though.. mind you if psycho losses his seat on the UN over this it might all change.and of course the court case???..I dont think the greens are going to sit back in silence.. do you think its right we shift these problems on to PNG phil?????.. do you really think PNG needs more dysfunctional people.?

You're  missing the point of the OP, cods. The refugees in Indonesia are unlikely to embark on a boat trip which will see them escorted to PNG.

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:03am:

do you think its right we shift these problems on to PNG phil?????..

What 'problems'? As Australia will be financing the entire resettlement program I'm wondering what 'problems' you could be referring to?

Surely you're not suggesting the people of New Guinea don't deserve the same 'cultural enrichment' from these Muslims as we in Australia have?

I can't imagine what you mean by 'problems'. It must be a typo.


cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 9:03am:

...do you really think PNG needs more dysfunctional people.?

Huh? Wha..? "dysfu........   "?

What on earth are you taking about?

These boat-people are highly robust and at the top of their game. It takes a healthy body and mind to set out across the world by foot, plane, and boat for the chance to shop at Western nation supermarkets when not driving taxis the long route for a few extra dollars.


   

John Smith wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:00am:

I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D

Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails.

In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election.

He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be.

Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 7:33am:

It doesn't leave TONY with much http://images.smh.com.au/2011/11/22/2790516/art-pockets-420x0.jpg

Not quite right Buzz.
I do like this new extreme right wing policy of Rudd's, however Abbott and the Coalition have been consistent on this issue for over a decade and have a proven track record with it's implementation.
Labor just consistently backflips with their policies depending on which way the wind blows.
Can Labor be trusted to keep this border protection policy once elected?
It wouldn't be the first time Rudd has disposed of a working policy only to install a failed one.
And make no mistake, he'll do it again.

Forget all of the media and political BS. You'll know if Labor smashed people smuggling because the boats will stop. That is the litmus test. If they keep coming then they are still being let into Australia. That's all we need to take notice of. Forget the PNG BS. They'll still sneak them into Australia. Watch the boats aussies.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:42am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:33am: It doesn't leave TONY with much http://images.smh.com.au/2011/11/22/2790516/art-pockets-420x0.jpg Not quite right Buzz. I do like this new extreme right wing policy of Rudd's, however Abbott and the Coalition have been consistent on this issue for over a decade and have a proven track record with it's implementation. Labor just consistently backflips with their policies depending on which way the wind blows. Can Labor be trusted to keep this border protection policy once elected? It wouldn't be the first time Rudd has disposed of a working policy only to install a failed one. And make no mistake, he'll do it again.

have we said we will send them to some poor neighboring country and pay them forever more.. chicky??? I dont think so...

we have done deals with other nations but as far as I know this is a first for ANYONE.. and I doubt we have ever paid them..

to send each and everyone of them to PNG.. and to PAY them to take them is disgusting...

its as bad as the people swap...double  disgusting..

its more than HARD RIGHT its off the page..


he[ PM] did say he will increase our intake to 20.000 n ow that is a direct steal from Abbott.. poor bugger doesnt have an original thought in his head.

palm off your problems ruddy but it wont win you any votes.... this is such a bad idea..  the people smugglers are just as big a conmen as you are.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:00am: I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails. In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election. He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be. Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare.

you wish..... if you think palming rudds nightmares off onto a nation like PNG is going to work.. and cost us for ever and a day.. you are so wrong....

you are delighted.. so much for caring sharing lefties... whatever happened to the bleeding hearts society..that called us racists for daring to even think about stopping the boats...

now they are all cheering as we palm off all these refugees onto someone elses doorstep..


sickos..

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 11:58am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:42am: buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 7:33am: It doesn't leave TONY with much http://images.smh.com.au/2011/11/22/2790516/art-pockets-420x0.jpg Not quite right Buzz. I do like this new extreme right wing policy of Rudd's, however Abbott and the Coalition have been consistent on this issue for over a decade and have a proven track record with it's implementation. Labor just consistently backflips with their policies depending on which way the wind blows. Can Labor be trusted to keep this border protection policy once elected? It wouldn't be the first time Rudd has disposed of a working policy only to install a failed one. And make no mistake, he'll do it again. have we said we will send them to some poor neighboring country and pay them forever more.. chicky??? I dont think so... we have done deals with other nations but as far as I know this is a first for ANYONE.. and I doubt we have ever paid them.. to send each and everyone of them to PNG.. and to PAY them to take them is disgusting... its as bad as the people swap...double  disgusting.. its more than HARD RIGHT its off the page.. he[ PM] did say he will increase our intake to 20.000 n ow that is a direct steal from Abbott.. poor bugger doesnt have an original thought in his head. palm off your problems ruddy but it wont win you any votes.... this is such a bad idea..  the people smugglers are just as big a conmen as you are.

All will be right if Rudd's new policy stops the boats and puts the smugglers out of business.
Costs will fall as foreign and local detention centres are closed down, and so will deaths at sea.
The real question is whether Rudd will or can actually stick with this policy if he does win at the election.
He cannot be trusted though as he is a serial policy backflipper and has shown policy inconsistency time and time again.
And this policy certainly goes against traditional Labor values, and we know what the Greens think about it.
How long he sticks to this policy is anyone's guess.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 10:30am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:00am: I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails. In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election. He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be. Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare.

I hope you're right. But Mal best hurry up, I reckon Kevvy will call an election in the next couple of weeks, maybe even this week before the Libs have a chance to dump phoney Tony.

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:30am: John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:00am: I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails. In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election. He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be. Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare. you wish..... if you think palming rudds nightmares off onto a nation like PNG is going to work.. and cost us for ever and a day.. you are so wrong.... you are delighted.. so much for caring sharing lefties... whatever happened to the bleeding hearts society..that called us racists for daring to even think about stopping the boats... now they are all cheering as we palm off all these refugees onto someone elses doorstep.. sickos..

LOL at YOU cods. Herbert is a far right winger, just unlike you he has a brain and can see Abbott is now cancer to the Liberal party.

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 12:02pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:30am: John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:00am: I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails. In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election. He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be. Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare. you wish..... if you think palming rudds nightmares off onto a nation like PNG is going to work.. and cost us for ever and a day.. you are so wrong.... you are delighted.. so much for caring sharing lefties... whatever happened to the bleeding hearts society..that called us racists for daring to even think about stopping the boats... now they are all cheering as we palm off all these refugees onto someone elses doorstep.. sickos..

You just don't get it, do you cods.  The whole point is to stop them coming by boat, and if that works, no-one will end up at PNG to live.  There endeth the problem.

skippy. wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 1:37pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:30am: John Smith wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:00am: I bet Mr Abbott will be so ecstatic to hear that the boats are stopping ...... he finally gets what he's been hoping for  ;D ;D Well spotted, John. It's taken all the wind out of his sails. In a word ~ it's left him with nothing to sell the public in the run-up to the election. He's been made politically redundant and an election liability ~ and for the same reason that Guillard was dumped, so will he be. Malcolm Turnbull is at this very moment practicing his Acceptance Speech as the new Leader of the Opposition... something that is Rudd's worst nightmare. I hope you're right. But Mal best hurry up, I reckon Kevvy will call an election in the next couple of weeks, maybe even this week before the Libs have a chance to dump phoney Tony.

Skip, I think if the Liberals wanted to dump Abbott, it would have happened by now.

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 12:02pm:

now they are all cheering as we palm off all these refugees onto someone elses doorstep.. sickos..

It's time some other country around here was given the chance to enjoy the many blessings of enforced multiculturalism.

Rudd could quite possibly now be in line for a Nobel Prize for Services to Humanity for his selfless generosity in helping Papua New Guinea create its own multicultural society with all the benefits that we ourselves have been told are such a blessing to us.

COD ~ you should be celebrating this great good fortune that is about to descend upon the people of PNG.

For 40 years the people of Sydney have been blessed with a growing Muslim population in their midst ~ why should this be denied the people of New Guinea?

8-)