Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam?



Soren wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 9:42pm:

The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims).

- the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".


Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2013 at 8:57pm:

The Arab rulers harnessed the learning of the conquered Romans, Christians and Jews, very selectively. There was no translation into Arabic of anything that may have conflicted with Islam - which left out all of ancient literature and philosophy. And the translators were the conquered Christians and Jews, not the invading Arabs.

- The arabs translated a HUGE amount of ancient literature and philosophy. Also, the "invading Arabs" absolutely did much of the translating themselves.


freediver wrote on Jun 30^th, 2013 at 6:04pm:

So the Afghan Muslims expelled their Jews because of what a completely unrelated group of Jews did in Israel?

- the Afghanis did not expel any jews


Freediver after it was pointed out to him that radical UK cleric Amjen Choudary's views are overwhelmingly rejected by the UK muslim community:

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

Of course Muslims reject him now. He has been exposed. That's not how it is supposed to work.

This thoughtless quip baselessly assumes he was respected and followed by mainstream muslims before he was "exposed".


Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

The British government and MI5 have been 'infiltrated' by ISLAMISTS.

um yeah... the less said about that the better.

" ... do these posters have any credibility left ... "

Soren never had any credibility to start with.

So, all over the world, the be-headings, the rapes, the stonings, the honour killings, etc. are all the works of extremists, right?

Of what religion?

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/pakistani-sisters-shot-dead-after-being-filmed-dancing-outside-their-home/story-fnhrvhol-1226672330529

Muslim sisters murdered foir singing in the rain


TWO teenage sisters have been shot dead for daring to film themselves dancing in the rain and "dishonouring" their family and men in their conservative village.

Noon Basra and Noor Sheza, from Pakistan, were murdered after mobile footage of the girls emerged, outraging their town.

In the footage the sisters, aged 15 and 16, are dressed in traditional clothing and are pictured along with two other younger children in the town of Chilas, in the northern region of Gilgit, News24Online reported.

The girls dance and one of the sisters even smiles for the camera.

But their seemingly innocent crime earned them a death sentence after the footage caused outrage in the conservative town and they were shot dead, alongside their mother, by five gunmen.

More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously?

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:29pm:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/pakistani-sisters-shot-dead-after-being-filmed-dancing-outside-their-home/story-fnhrvhol-1226672330529 Muslim sisters murdered foir singing in the rain TWO teenage sisters have been shot dead for daring to film themselves dancing in the rain and "dishonouring" their family and men in their conservative village. Noon Basra and Noor Sheza, from Pakistan, were murdered after mobile footage of the girls emerged, outraging their town. In the footage the sisters, aged 15 and 16, are dressed in traditional clothing and are pictured along with two other younger children in the town of Chilas, in the northern region of Gilgit, News24Online reported. The girls dance and one of the sisters even smiles for the camera. But their seemingly innocent crime earned them a death sentence after the footage caused outrage in the conservative town and they were shot dead, alongside their mother, by five gunmen.

No doubt this makes you very happy ian.

After all, you are all for capital punishment.

Sick puppy.

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:31pm:

More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously?

;D By listening to clowns like you Soren - thats how.

You really do have a knack of putting your foot int don't you  ;D

Gandalf had to look pretty hard for a positive spin on this one. Hint: while most Arab countries had to run their Jews out, Afghanistan did it just be being a craphole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

From the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[2] 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had reached Israel by 1972.[3][4][5] By the Yom Kippur War of 1973, most of the Jewish communities throughout the Arab World, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan, were practically non-existent.

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:31pm:

More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg

here you go peccer

http://islamicmarriage.com/?affiliateID=ADa_Im_en_gg_S-AU_Women

Find Your Muslim Partner
For Life, Love and Marriage.

as long as you dont mind a partner with her clitoris removed. Bonus is she will be expecting it from the back door, if you know what I mean. Cultural proclivities and all that. Still, right up your alley.

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:40pm:

here you go peccer http://islamicmarriage.com/?affiliateID=ADa_Im_en_gg_S-AU_Women Find Your Muslim Partner For Life, Love and Marriage. as long as you dont mind a partner with her clitoris removed. Bonus is she will be expecting it from the back door, if you know what I mean. Cultural proclivities and all that. Still, right up your alley.

Been hitting the bottle tonight I see, ian.

I don't have much time at all time for the Islam religion.

So, what makes you think I'd want a Muslim wife.

You really are a queer little creature ian.

I kind of took you for the confirmed bachelor type. Just putting it out there.

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:45pm:

Just putting it out there.

Yes, I'm sure you are.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm: The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims). - the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".

Stockholm man shot dead by police
Published: 14 May 13 07:28 CET 

Police fatally shot a 69-year-old man in an apartment in north Stockholm on Monday evening after responding to calls that a man armed with a machete was menacing the neighbourhood.

_________

Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Reinfeldt said: "We've had two nights with great unrest, damage, and an intimidating atmosphere in Husby and there is a risk it will continue.

"We have groups of young men who think that that they can and should change society with violence. Let's be clear: this is not okay. We cannot be ruled by violence."

More than 80% of Husby's 12,000 or so inhabitants are from an immigrant background, and most are from Turkey, the Middle East and Somalia.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22622909


Machete wielding man in predominantly  Muslim (80% plus) part of a European city is shot by police and then residents burn cars for 4 days. After the regular French car-be-ques over recent years by ... er.... predominantly North African and Middle Eastern yoofs (you know what that's code for) nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition, sorry, a Portugese immigrant. Were you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:50pm:

ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:45pm: Just putting it out there. Yes, I'm sure you are.

sounds like your up for a peice, Peccers.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:34pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg

SO you do take Islam seriously?

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:34pm: Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg SO you do take Islam seriously?

No.

I treat it the same way I treat you: mostly ignore it and shake my head at its stupidity.

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:50pm: ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:45pm: Just putting it out there. Yes, I'm sure you are. sounds like your up for a peice, Peccers.

Put the bottle down and go to bed ian.

You've had enough.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:34pm: Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg SO you do take Islam seriously? No. I treat it the same way I treat you: mostly ignore it and shake my head at its stupidity.

Much the way this forum treats your posts.  ;) Entertainment value though, I will admit. A beta male completly out of his depth. Why dont you post a few more pictures, that always makes up for a good argument. ::)

ian wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:57pm: Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:34pm: Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg SO you do take Islam seriously? No. I treat it the same way I treat you: mostly ignore it and shake my head at its stupidity. Much the way this forum treats your posts.  ;) Entertainment value though, I will admit. A beta male completly out of his depth. Why dont you post a few more pictures, that always makes up for a good argument. ::)

Put down the bottle ian.

You're starting to make making a fool of yourself.

I demand pictures.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? ;D By listening to clowns like you Soren - thats how. You really do have a knack of putting your foot int don't you  ;D

He's so good at it, that sometimes I think he actually plans it.

Seeya Soren ...

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/10/31/waving_crowd.gif

And greggary does not dissapoint, for lack of a plausible argument, post a picture. Its the modern, beta way.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? ;D By listening to clowns like you Soren - thats how.

So what are you complaining about, then?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:57pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:53pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:34pm: Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:31pm: More to the point - how can Islam be taken seriously? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EXC2zB3gbBY/TezzrxntksI/AAAAAAAAAI4/_NTatXNzYds/s1600/206636171_0021c26a2e.jpg SO you do take Islam seriously? No. I treat it the same way I treat you: mostly ignore it and shake my head at its stupidity.

Why ignore it?  You never ignore me and I am a much smaller target than Islam.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:33pm:

Gandalf had to look pretty hard for a positive spin on this one. Hint: while most Arab countries had to run their Jews out, Afghanistan did it just be being a craphole.

Do you enjoy digging a deeper hole for yourself? You completely made up the claim that Afghanis expelled the jews - you'd be best served not saying any more about it - you just make yourself look even sillier.


Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Machete wielding man in predominantly  Muslim (80% plus) part of a European city is shot by police and then residents burn cars for 4 days. After the regular French car-be-ques over recent years by ... er.... predominantly North African and Middle Eastern yoofs (you know what that's code for) nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition, sorry, a Portugese immigrant. Were you?

Thats supposed to make your fairy tales ok is it? But what I particularly loved about it was you didn't just assume he was muslim, you actually invented a complete scenario about him threatening his family in the kitchen because he was a would-be honour killer. Like I said to FD recently, if you're gonna lie, lie big.


Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:17pm:

So what are you complaining about, then?

Quite the contrary S - you're providing great entertainment, and I'm taking a front row seat.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:13pm:

sometimes I think

Yes, very occasionally. That's why you are mentally so negligible, SOB.

Soren wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:19pm:

I am a much smaller target

That's what ian has been saying.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sczd8hagKE0/UUpjOUwe-RI/AAAAAAAAhUU/X4xC-5rgvPI/s400/small-penis.jpeg

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

. Soren wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 8:57pm: The Arab rulers harnessed the learning of the conquered Romans, Christians and Jews, very selectively. There was no translation into Arabic of anything that may have conflicted with Islam - which left out all of ancient literature and philosophy. And the translators were the conquered Christians and Jews, not the invading Arabs. - The arabs translated a HUGE amount of ancient literature and philosophy. Also, the "invading Arabs" absolutely did much of the translating themselves.

The Arabs were the master race, the conquerors. They didn't learn Greek or Latin or Hebrew or Syriac or Persian or Hindi, the languages of the dhimmis. No. The dhimmis learned Arabic and did the translations. Some converted, many didn't.

Hunayn ibn Ishaq - Christian
Yuhanna ibn Masawaih - native Syriac speaker (ie not Arab)
Sa'id al-Fayyumi - Jew
Thābit ibn Qurrah - native Syriac speaking Assyrian
Abu Bishr Matta ibn Yunus - Nestorian Christian (translator of Aristotle's works into Arabic)
Yuhanna Ibn Batriq, Abd al-Masih Ibn 'Aballah Wa'ima al-Himse  - Assyrian Christians
Abu Mahammad Ibn al-Muqaff - Persian convert to Islam.

You are being fooled by the Arabised names- Abu Al-Gandalf.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:33pm: Gandalf had to look pretty hard for a positive spin on this one. Hint: while most Arab countries had to run their Jews out, Afghanistan did it just be being a craphole. Do you enjoy digging a deeper hole for yourself? You completely made up the claim that Afghanis expelled the jews - you'd be best served not saying any more about it - you just make yourself look even sillier. Soren wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:52pm: Machete wielding man in predominantly  Muslim (80% plus) part of a European city is shot by police and then residents burn cars for 4 days. After the regular French car-be-ques over recent years by ... er.... predominantly North African and Middle Eastern yoofs (you know what that's code for) nobody was expecting the Spanish Inquisition, sorry, a Portugese immigrant. Were you? Thats supposed to make your fairy tales ok is it? But what I particularly loved about it was you didn't just assume he was muslim, you actually invented a complete scenario about him threatening his family in the kitchen because he was a would-be honour killer. Like I said to FD recently, if you're gonna lie, lie big.

Stock-standard old boy schtick. It’s the old boy’s stock in trade. Point it out and he moves onto the next one, and the next. He thinks no one notices.

The important thing is that the old boy believes it, that’s the main thing.

Keep it up, old chap. You gotta have a dream...

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 12:21am:

The dhimmis learned Arabic and did the translations. Some converted, many didn't.

Al Kindi was an arab - I'm sure there were many others too.

The point is, the translation movement was an islamically-inspired movement. Funny how the great flourish of translating only happened when the arab/muslims moved in isn't it? What were all those great christian and jew translators you mentioned doing before that? Twiddling their thumbs?

It also destroys another myth I'm sure you are only too happy to propagate: that the dhimmis were not allowed to pursue their own academic interests, and instead were oppressed, force-converted, massacred etc etc. Having jewish and christian philosophers and scientists thriving in the muslim world is just yet another inconvenient truth for you knuckleheads (apologies to Karnal).

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 11:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:33pm: Gandalf had to look pretty hard for a positive spin on this one. Hint: while most Arab countries had to run their Jews out, Afghanistan did it just be being a craphole. Do you enjoy digging a deeper hole for yourself? You completely made up the claim that Afghanis expelled the jews - you'd be best served not saying any more about it - you just make yourself look even sillier.

Well played Gandalf, well played.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries


Quote:

From the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[2] 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had reached Israel by 1972.[3][4][5] By the Yom Kippur War of 1973, most of the Jewish communities throughout the Arab World, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan, were practically non-existent.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:32pm:

ian wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:29pm: http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/world/pakistani-sisters-shot-dead-after-being-filmed-dancing-outside-their-home/story-fnhrvhol-1226672330529 Muslim sisters murdered foir singing in the rain TWO teenage sisters have been shot dead for daring to film themselves dancing in the rain and "dishonouring" their family and men in their conservative village. Noon Basra and Noor Sheza, from Pakistan, were murdered after mobile footage of the girls emerged, outraging their town. In the footage the sisters, aged 15 and 16, are dressed in traditional clothing and are pictured along with two other younger children in the town of Chilas, in the northern region of Gilgit, News24Online reported. The girls dance and one of the sisters even smiles for the camera. But their seemingly innocent crime earned them a death sentence after the footage caused outrage in the conservative town and they were shot dead, alongside their mother, by five gunmen. No doubt this makes you very happy ian. After all, you are all for capital punishment. Sick puppy.

Yet another example.

When the criminal influence of ISLAM, is exposed in some outrage, when some victim(s) are slaughtered for 'offending' ISLAM, who do the moslems and the apologists for moslems condemn ?

ISLAM, ISLAMISTS ?

No.





Moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems are supporters of ISLAM.

Moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems, condemn only those who try to expose ISLAM's wrong doing and criminal influence in the world.

And what is apparent is that moslems and the [non-moslem] apologists for moslems, always, always, always, excuse ISLAM's criminal wrong doing in the world.

Q.
Why does ISLAM find such support among some people ?

A.
Because to many men today, the truth about ISLAM's motives and methods is unimportant.
What ISLAM [as a 'vehicle'] can achieve for them, is what is important.
'Eyes on the prize.'




We should always ask ourselves, again and again;
When it is clearly apparent [to any thinking and reasoning person], that the philosophy ISLAM, has a deleterious influence in the world [and a deleterious influence upon the psyche of men!],
WHY DO SO MANY MEN NEVERTHELESS CHOOSE TO EXCUSE, FOLLOW AND SUPPORT ISLAM ?

Meditate upon an answer to that question.

Quote:

always always always

And there you go, G. There’s the Y script. It hasn’t deviated for years. Every post the same.

It’s reassuring, really. I, for one, admire the ability to forget that you’ve posted the same reply to every post, with overwealming evidence that you’re talking absolute crap, day after day after day.

Keep up the good work, Y.

The influence of ISLAM, in the Koran;

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111iThe influence of ISLAM, in the Hadith;

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260iThe influence of ISLAM, in the homes of moslems;

http://www.jihadwatch.org/Parviz.jpg


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February 18, 2008 UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love" ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xmliThe influence of ISLAM, in the mosque;

IMAGE...
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200508/r54561_147958.jpg

Quote:

August 4, 2005       Australian Islamic leader defends jihad "I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said. "The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htmiThe influence of ISLAM, on the streets of our cities;

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.
Moslems demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.



IMAGE...
http://www.zionism-israel.com/ezine/Isllam2.jpg
London, mainstream moslem street protests.
'Demonstrating' just how rational and 'peaceful' mainstream moslems really are.


THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"
"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"



IMAGE...
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/cartoon-protest12.jpg
In London, and all over the world, moslem parents are instilling a criminally hateful mindset, into their children.
From the breast to school, moslems are teaching their children, to hate those who reject ISLAM's influence upon their lives.
And moslems, and moslem parents, are poisoning the minds of their own children in this way, on purpose!









And i ask a simple question;

"Can the anti-islam crowd be taken seriously?"

Vintage Y. A classic.

He writes them all from scratch, you know.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 1:02am:

Having jewish and christian philosophers and scientists thriving in the muslim world is just yet another inconvenient truth for you knuckleheads (apologies to Karnal).

One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli.

Arab Muslims in the disputed territories are offered full Israeli rights like Jews - but they refuse them.

Israel is a classic example of offering with the hand of friendship.

Now tell me why over 20 countries in the Muslim world ban me from entering based only on my passport?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam? Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm: The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims). - the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".

As moslems [i.e. all members of a moslem community] become more numerous and confident, moslems always increasingly begin to use 'protest', threats of violence, and acts of violence, in an attempt to intimidate non-moslem authorities and the broader non-moslem host community.

And whenever non-moslem host community actively resists these 'protests', threats of violence, and acts of violence, the moslems always portray moslems as 'victims'.

A few examples of how when non-moslem societies resist moslem threats, and violence, it is "not fair".



Quote:

The Netherlands muslim intifada of October, 2007 "...a Muslim youth entered a police station and began stabbing two police officers. One of them, after having been stabbed multiple times, shot him to death. Rioting has followed."

Google

In the item above, in a JIHADIST action a JIHADIST decided to enter a police station and to stab a police officer, BECAUSE SHE WAS A POLICE OFFICER.
The JIHADIST was then shot dead by the police officer.
And the response by the Dutch moslem community ?
Moslem street riots.




Quote:

January 29, 2008 UK: Man Admits Plotting To Behead Muslim Soldier "......Adam Mussa of the Muslim Brotherhood-founded Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) claimed: "Some of the people arrested are just individuals with loud voices, who are vocal about various neighborhood issues, but that doesn't make them terrorists. It's not fair. This seems to be happening again and again. This is a form of victimization and your average 'Mo Public' is feeling very cynical....." .....The Muslim community "representatives" should be censured for their overstated reactions last January and February. There WAS a terror plot to kidnap and kill a Muslim soldier. These representatives tried to use the media to discredit a necessary police operation which aimed to prevent the killing and beheading of a known Muslim soldier. They also exploited this case to dishonestly push their own agenda, to whine about Muslim victimhood by the state."

Google



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February 2nd, 2007 UK: Muslims respond to jihad terror arrests with paranoia, talk of plots against them Instead of cheering for the arrests of jihad terror plotters. “Plots and paranoia are mainstream views for Muslims of Sparkbrook,” by Andrew Norfolk in the TimesOnline, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm: .......To wander the streets of Sparkbrook yesterday, from shabby corner shop to proud, white-domed mosque, was to enter a world where conspiracy theories are the breath of life. Many ordinary Muslims did not believe that Wednesday’s arrests were an act to foil a terrorist plot aiming to visit unspeakable barbarity on a young British soldier. Rather the entire operation was a giant con trick. This fits a growing perception of a post-9/11 world in which innocent Muslims are demonised, and the terror threat manufactured to suit the dark designs of the West’s Judaeo-Christian elite.

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February 01, 2007 UK: Muslim fury over arrests You would think that the Vast Majority of Peaceful, Loyal Muslims™ in Britain would be applauding these arrests, and all efforts to eradicate the jihad terrorist presence from their community. ......"Every time they're coming into Muslim areas, blasting open their doors ... They wouldn't like it if they dragged their mum and dad out of bed in the middle of the night. They're scum," says Khan, spitting on the pavement. ......"Police arrested nine mostly Pakistani-origin suspects yesterday, to foil an alleged "Iraq-style" kidnap and beheading plot...." ......Comments [by visitors to this jihadwatch.org page]: "It's the same old same old and everyone knows what side they are on. ......"Every time they're coming into Muslim areas..." that's the phrase that really jumped out to me. The Muslim mindset in the UK and elsewhere is largely about the acquisition of territory and then submission of people in that territory and then acquisition of more territory." ......"maryrose, ....You just don’t understand the requirements of sensitive policing of a rich and diverse multi-cultural society! The police should raid Christians, Jews, Blacks, Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witness’s etc. etc. etc. etc. in direct proportion to the % of the population make up! Instead they keep picking on Muslims!"

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Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:34am:

One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli.

You need to explain this to the knuckleheads. They can't grasp the idea that muslims can integrate successfully into non-muslim society. But from your experience with the Israeli arabs, you would surely disagree no?


freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 8:44am:

Well played Gandalf, well played. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

Well played FD - you quoted an article that says the jewish population left Afghanistan. Nowhere does it say they were expelled. The article I quoted previously says they weren't. You completely made up that little smear on Afghani muslims.


Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:48am:

As moslems [i.e. all members of a moslem community] become more numerous and confident...

...Soren makes up fairy tales about sinister muslim behaviours - and Yadda is there to defend him.. by.. err ranting on about something completely unrelated.

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:18am:

Vintage Y. A classic. He writes them all from scratch, you know.

K,

But you always deny the importance of, or ignore, the content.

All you ever do, is criticise people like myself, for the act of presenting this information.

Very rarely will you address the issue, or the content of my posts.

Why is that ?



Why is your only criticism, against me.

Why don't you address the 'errors', in the material and arguments that i present ?




K,

You support ISLAM.

You defend ISLAM.

ISLAM encourages the murder and oppression of people.

But you, defend ISLAM.



[I'm not talking about moslems....]

You will not even acknowledge that there is any fault or error, in ISLAM.

You will not even admit that ['mainstream'] ISLAM, as a philosophy, deserves censure.

Why is that, K ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:56am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:34am: One of the most senior IDF officers is a Arab Israeli. You need to explain this to the knuckleheads. They can't grasp the idea that muslims can integrate successfully into non-muslim society. But from your experience with the Israeli arabs, you would surely disagree no?

This man is one of my heroes and is Arab-Israeli.

Lt Colonel Amos Yarkoni or Abd el-Majid Hidr.

1948 War
Six Day War

Awarded Medal of Distinguished Service to IDF (3. Highest award)

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take note Yadda

Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 11:04am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 10:18am: Vintage Y. A classic. He writes them all from scratch, you know. K, But you always deny the importance of, or ignore, the content. All you ever do, is criticise people like myself, for the act of presenting this information. Very rarely will you address the issue, or the content of my posts. Why is that ? Why is your only criticism, against me. Why don't you address the 'errors', in the material and arguments that i present ? K, You support ISLAM. You defend ISLAM. ISLAM encourages the murder and oppression of people. But you, defend ISLAM. [I'm not talking about moslems....] You will not even acknowledge that there is any fault or error, in ISLAM. You will not even admit that ['mainstream'] ISLAM, as a philosophy, deserves censure. Why is that, K ?

Why is what, Y?

I took issue with plenty of Abu’s posts. I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.

I have answered all your questions to me here and addressed their content time and time again. Repeatedly.

I shouldn’t have to rebut the same Jihadwatch quotes and photos endlessly. They’re so old now they’re fading from wear.

Write something new, or better yet, go out and experience something new. In the real world. If you can tell me one thing that’s happened to you personally, I’ll kiss your feet.

The rest, as they say in court, is hearsay.

Case dismissed.

The influence of ISLAM, in the Koran;

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

What the Koran says, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.







The influence of ISLAM, in the Hadith;

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

What the Hadith says, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.







The influence of ISLAM, in the homes of moslems;

http://www.jihadwatch.org/Parviz.jpg


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February 18, 2008 UK jihadist taught five-year-old son: "Kuffar -- kill! Sheikh Osama bin Laden I love" ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

What 'bad' moslems do, while inspired by ISLAM, has nothing to do with ISLAM - CASE DISMISSED.



Karnal supports ISLAM, and good moslems, because ISLAM only encourages good in the world - moslems told him so.

Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly?

Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y?

Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you.

Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud.

Let’s have some proof, shall we? Let’s ask G.

G, are you there? Please tell us, as a despicable Moslem, do you tell children to kill George Bush? Do you hypnotize them into a murderous frenzy, where they can only repeat one word, kill?

Tell the truth now, Moslem, we don’t want any nonsense from the likes of you.

And don’t try to hypnotize us. We know your tricks. We’ve seen it all before.

Y posted an article from Jihadwatch.

K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied.

But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5.

Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:19pm:

I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything.

That's very big of you, PB.

The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology.

Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam.

But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it.

And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:21pm:

Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam? Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm: The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims). - the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer".

Maybe he was a Morisco, maybe a convert to Islam. There is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.

And until his national origin was revealed (a few days after the event) all everyone had was: 80% Muslim area, guy wielding machete, domestic dispute. Now we know he was Portugese, which of course doesn't negate the other three bits (Muslim area, machete, domestic).

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

here is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.

Therefore better to assume that he was - and invent an entire scenario about him threatening to honour kill his family with the kitchen knife. Makes sense.

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm: I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything. That's very big of you, PB. The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology. Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam. But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it. And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.

Even more significant than the direct or indirect support for violence is the willful erosion of human rights and freedoms. The freedom we enjoy puts us in a global minority. There is not one Muslim dominated country that even comes close to our standards, and most are at the opposite end of the spectrum, especially in Islam's heartland. Furthermore, while most of the backwards places on earth are rapidly moving forward, Islam is a stagnating force. This is not some kind of accident of recent historical forces. It is linked directly to Muhammed. No other religious leader in history killed as many people as Mo did. He was a political and military leader, just as much as a religious leader. Islam is a political and military ideology, as much as a religious one. The cover of religion allows it to get away with a lot more than similar political and military ideologies like Nazism.

FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships.

Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these - thanks in no small part to the rise of political islam, which is proving not to be the bogeyman people like you have been promising it would be.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied. But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5. Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!

There you go, Y. You see? Nothing to see here.

You’ve scared them all off.

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm: I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything. That's very big of you, PB. The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology. Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam. But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it. And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both.

Marvellous stuff, old boy, but it doesn’t answer the question that started this thread.

If the Muselmen are so intent on blowing things up in the name of Allah Uakbar, well not that that’s the problem - so ideologically and politically and ethically tiresome - why do you need to make stuff up?

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 6:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 10:21pm: Over the past few weeks, some of the islam bashers have been caught out telling some pretty embarassing porky pies about islam. I'm just wondering, in light of these, do these posters have any credibility left to attack islam? Soren wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 9:42pm: The 'protest' was about the Swedish police shooting a knife-wielding would-be honour killing old bastard. That's why the 'yoofs' of no particular culture erupted into action. The police shot an Islamic dickhead who was hot to implement Sharia law in his own family and the Mulims took exception to the Swedish law enforcement guys shooting him. It is still against the law to honour kill in Sweden and that infuriates all these 'yoofs' of no particular religion (ie Muslims). - the victim was a Portugese immigrant - and there is no evidence he was muslim, let alone a "would-be honour killer". Maybe he was a Morisco, maybe a convert to Islam. There is no evidence he wasn't a Muslim. His name or other details have not been released. It cannot be ruled out.

Ah.

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly? Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y? Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you. Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud.

Yes, K,

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.




Compared to what the Koran urges.....

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29






Yeshua's influence upon me ?

I always forgive people K, especially if they say sorry for their mistakes.

But if a person seeks to harm me [or someone i love], i would probably respond to such intentions 'instinctively' [because i am not a perfected being].



K,

Should Australia disband our police forces, and our defence forces ?

Should Australia close our law courts, and close all our prisons, and release all of the inmates [of those prisons] into the community ?

Would that be a wise thing to do ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 6:30pm:

FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships. Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these - thanks in no small part to the rise of political islam, which is proving not to be the bogeyman people like you have been promising it would be.

Yes, Morsi and his Moslem Brotherhood [in Egypt] have really raised societal standards haven't they ?      :P

NOT.

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FD, the brutality of all islamic governments in the islamic world in the post-war period, pales compared to the bloodshed of generations of secular dictatorships.

Are you going to compare Islam to Nazism for us? Islam is better than some other types of dictatorship, therefor Islam is not a stagnating force that undermines the march of freedom and democracy - is that your argument?


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Thankfully, the islamic world is starting to get rid of these

Right, it is replacing secular oppression with Islamic oppression. Well done.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied. But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5. Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!

Western security services around the world have enlisted >> moslem << academics, and are being advised by >> moslem << academics, on how to counter moslem 'extremists' in their societies.

Dumb.


And Western security services around the world have been encouraged to recruit >> moslems << into the ranks of Western security services, so that those >> moslem << recruits can glean intelligence threat from moslem 'extremists' in their non-moslem societies.

Dumb.




"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231



Moslem academics ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.i

The Specter of Muslim Disloyalty in America
http://www.meforum.org/2746/muslim-disloyalty-america

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At this point, one may justly ask: if Muslim disloyalty to non-Muslims is a ubiquitous phenomenon, why are most examples limited to the military? Simple: Islam is primarily concerned with actual deeds; and the military is one of those rare institutions that requires people to demonstrate their loyalty through action, such as, by going to the frontlines and, if need be, combating America's enemies — even if they be one's coreligionists. It is therefore only natural that Muslim loyalty/disloyalty is primarily revealed in military related scenarios, including instrumental support via food or other aid. Concerning this latter, Muhammad said, "One [Muslim] who equips a person on his way to raid [the enemy's camps] in Allah's path [jihad] is considered to have the same status as the raider [jihadist]." The willing Muslim financial enabler of the infidel American soldier thus acquires the same infidel status. As for all other instances that require Muslims to indicate their loyalty, the doctrine of taqiyya, which revolves around deceiving non-Muslims, offers relief, and is in fact essential for Muslim minorities living in America who want to uphold the doctrine of loyalty and enmity. Indeed, the Koran's primary justification for deception is in the context of loyalty: "Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels [non-Muslims] instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah — unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions" (Koran 3:28). Tabari explains this verse: "Only when you are in their [non-Muslims'] power, fearing for yourselves, are you to demonstrate friendship for them with your tongues, while harboring hostility toward them. But do not join them in the particulars of their infidelities, and do not aid them through any action against a Muslim." In other words, when necessary, Muslims are permitted to feign friendship and loyalty to non-Muslims, or, in the words of Abu Darda, a pious companion of Muhammad, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." Nearly fourteen-hundred years after these faithless words were uttered, American Muslim Tarik Shah, who was arrested for terrorist-related charges, echoed them in boast: "I could be joking and smiling [with infidels] and then cutting their throats in the next second." .....far less than .1% of America's Muslims will ever be required to enlist in the U.S. military and deploy to Muslim nations. Yet this is the only scenario that determines [i.e. that openly demonstrates to an infidel!] whether Muslim loyalties lie with fellow Muslims or with fellow, albeit infidel, citizens.

Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 7:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 4:24pm: Another 5 year old story and picture. Proving what, exactly? Still, I agree with your post. What the Koran says DOES have little bearing on the lives of millions of Muslims. Shall I tell you why, Y? Because what your prophet Yeheshua said has no noticable effect on you. Blessed are the peacemakers, Y, for they shall inherit the Kingdom of Gud. Yes, K, Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Compared to what the Koran urges..... "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. " Koran 9.29 Yeshua's influence upon me ? I always forgive people K, especially if they say sorry for their mistakes. But if a person seeks to harm me [or someone i love], i would probably respond to such intentions 'instinctively' [because i am not a perfected being]. K, Should Australia disband our police forces, and our defence forces ? Should Australia close our law courts, and close all our prisons, and release all of the inmates [of those prisons] into the community ? Would that be a wise thing to do ?

Y, do you really expect a person like K to answer that question seriously?

No one has attacked you. You have nothing to forgive. You’re free to be called the children of Gud.

Do you think we should get rid of all niceness, Y? Manners? Mutual respect?

Would that be a wise thing to do?

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Are you going to compare Islam to Nazism for us? Islam is better than some other types of dictatorship, therefor Islam is not a stagnating force that undermines the march of freedom and democracy - is that your argument?

The islamic world FD, don't bring in irrelevant topics - especially the nazis, or I'll have to start accusing you of invoking Godwin's law.

I'm talking about Saddam, the Assads, the Algerian military regime etc. You're not seriously saying any islamst rule in the middle east compares to them in brutality?


freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Right, it is replacing secular oppression with Islamic oppression. Well done.

Tunisia, Egypt and even the islamic Erdogan in Turkey has dissapointed the knuckleheads by being remarkably moderate and responsible.

Quote:

I'm talking about Saddam, the Assads, the Algerian military regime etc. You're not seriously saying any islamst rule in the middle east compares to them in brutality?

I'll leave the comparisons to you. I never could even figure out which ones count as an Islamist regime. It appears to depend on which Muslim you ask.


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Tunisia, Egypt and even the islamic Erdogan in Turkey has dissapointed the knuckleheads by being remarkably moderate and responsible.

By Muslim standards.

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm: I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything. That's very big of you, PB. The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology. Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam. But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it. And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both. Marvellous stuff, old boy, but it doesn’t answer the question that started this thread. If the Muselmen are so intent on blowing things up in the name of Allah Uakbar, well not that that’s the problem - so ideologically and politically and ethically tiresome - why do you need to make stuff up? Shurely shome mishtake, eh?

Islam offers very limited opportunities for joining the dots it presents to the world in new and creative or unexpected ways.

When you hear that police shot a knife wielding man in a predominantly Muslim part of a Western city, you think - what?  "Ah, must be one of the 20%! Who has ever heard of a knife wielding Muslim??!?!" :o

In other words, Islam's reputation precedes it.

Soren wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 9:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 7:08pm: Soren wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 2:19pm: I take issue with anyone blowing anything up in the name of anything. That's very big of you, PB. The objection to Islam is not just that an awful lot of violence is committed while allahu akhbaring. That, after all, is the tip of the ideological iceberg, the spectacular, the once startling but now enervating commonplace result of the much more substantial and underlying ideological and political and ethical white noise of Islamic ideology. Which you are (pretending to be) deaf to and Gandy smudges at every opportunity as if every one of the thousands of atrocities committed in the name of Islam ('violent while allahu akhbaring') was an utterly isolated and baffling misunderstanding of Islam. But Islam is not unrelated to the violence. It is the source of these violent acts. What is even more significant, there are plenty more Muslim sympathisers with all that violence than the actual Muslims who do the killing and slashing and and all the rest of it. And so your schtick, the enervated 'nuffin to see here, nuffin to do wiv Islam' is either dishonest (Abu) or stupid (SOB and the other phosphorescents). In your case, I'd bet both. Marvellous stuff, old boy, but it doesn’t answer the question that started this thread. If the Muselmen are so intent on blowing things up in the name of Allah Uakbar, well not that that’s the problem - so ideologically and politically and ethically tiresome - why do you need to make stuff up? Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Islam offers very limited opportunities for joining the dots it presents to the world in new and creative or unexpected ways. When you hear that police shot a knife wielding man in a predominantly Muslim part of a Western city, you think - what?  "Ah, must be one of the 20%! Who has ever heard of a knife wielding Muslim??!?!" :o In other words, Islam's reputation precedes it.

Exactly. Your own hubris is the Muselmen’s fault too.

You see?

Never ever. Absolutely. Ever. Ever. On stilts.

I blame the Muselmen. How do they GET such a reputation? Joining the dots, eh?

Marvellous stuff.

Brilliant isn't it? - Muslims can now be blamed for the knuckleheads' baseless slander about them.

Meanwhile, over at the other thread, FD is inventing new verses from the quran.   

Yes, but he wouldn’t need to do that if Mo didn’t write it in the first place.

I blame the Moslems.

They teach their kids to kill George Bush.

Mohammad was residing in a cave when he came up with Islam.

What makes you think Mohammad was not a pretender?

Mohamed heard a voice called the angel Gabriel and told someone who wrote it down.

The old boy heard some story about a stabbing and joined the dots. Who’s pretending?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied. But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5. Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!

AND.....

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 10:18am:

Vintage Y. A classic. He writes them all from scratch, you know.

AND.....

Karnal wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 2:19pm:

I have answered all your questions to me here and addressed their content time and time again. Repeatedly. I shouldn’t have to rebut the same Jihadwatch quotes and photos endlessly. They’re so old now they’re fading from wear. Write something new, or better yet, go out and experience something new. In the real world. If you can tell me one thing that’s happened to you personally, I’ll kiss your feet.

K and G,

Well i'm sorry, K, that you find the examples which i present about ISLAMIST Jihad behaviour, to be annoyingly repetitive.




Of course K, [old or new], i try to show examples about ISLAMIST Jihad behaviour and ISLAMIST Jihad tactics that are the most elucidative.

But when presenting information about ISLAMIST, it doesn't really matter if the specific example is from 10 years ago, or from yesterday,

"Tennessee imam: Jews and Christians filthy, their lives and property can be taken in jihad by the Muslims"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/06/tennessee-imam-jews-and-christians-filthy-their-lives-and-property-can-be-taken-in-jihad-by-the-musl.html

....because with moslems/ISLAM, the more things change, the more they stay the same.




More annoyingly repetitive examples of moslems behaving badly....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/jihad-doctrine/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/useful-idiots/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/moderate-muslims/

......but hey, shouldn't you two be castigating more moslems, and forgiving more of us infidels critics of moslem bad behaviour ???

IMAGE...
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
And it is so, so, annoying, to see this image being used in this forum, again and again, isn't it.       :P









And Jihadwatch ???

Organisations like Jihadwatch are doing a great service for mankind, by 'shining a light', and exposing to us all, how the ISLAMISTS deceitfully operate, and what the intents of the ISLAMISTS are.

I do apologise that the message of organisations like Jihadwatch, are so repetitive.         :P




http://www.jihadwatch.org/


THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Karnal wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 1:01am:

Mohamed heard a voice called the angel Gabriel and told someone who wrote it down. The old boy heard some story about a stabbing and joined the dots. Who’s pretending?

So I'm a prophet!!
YAY!

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 9:14am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 1:01am: Mohamed heard a voice called the angel Gabriel and told someone who wrote it down. The old boy heard some story about a stabbing and joined the dots. Who’s pretending? So I'm a prophet!! YAY!

More than this, my frien, you are a Muslim, a good man, one of us.

Have you thought of colouring in as well?

Yadda wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 8:16am:

And Jihadwatch ??? Organisations like Jihadwatch are doing a great service for mankind, by 'shining a light', and exposing to us all, how the ISLAMISTS deceitfully operate, and what the intents of the ISLAMISTS are.

That's right, Y. Good works. They should be entitled to the status of charity.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 12:51am:

Mohammad was residing in a cave when he came up with Islam. What makes you think Mohammad was not a pretender?

Only one verse of the Koran was revealed to him in the cave.He didn't come up with islam the angel Gabriel revealed it to him.

No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s

Adamant wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 2:10pm:

No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s

Quite right. Still, effende, we are taught to kill, you must admit that.


Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:

......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."[/color][/i]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml
[/quote]

Karnal wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 3:02pm:

Adamant wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm: No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s Quite right. Still, effende, we are taught to kill, you must admit that. Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:48pm: ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."[/color][/i] http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

[/quote]


You left off the punchline, PB.

Khan said: "Kuffar"
the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]"
and the boy said: "Kill."

Khan and boy hold hands,  in unison:
"And, hey Mister, bakshish gimme and make it lotsa lotsa."
Chorus: ' Oh yeah, or else'"

Curtain.

Muslims do make lives difficult for themselves with their fanatics and the refusing of mainstream Muslim world to speak out against them.

This is why they have the problems they do and the perception of people they do.

Soren wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 5:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 3:02pm: Adamant wrote on Jul 3rd, 2013 at 2:10pm: No Kernal it is blessed are the CHEESE MAKERS. Please try to keep up, I know muslim girls are not allowed an education but your ignorance is pathetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=slbMe-aTY1A#t=10s Quite right. Still, effende, we are taught to kill, you must admit that. Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:48pm: ......"Who do you kill?" asked Khan. "America kill," said the boy. "Who else you kill?" said Khan. "Bush I kill," said the boy. "And who else?" demanded Khan. "Blair kill, both people kill." "Who else you kill?" asked Khan. "Saddam, Saddam," said the boy. Then the pair began chanting at each other. Khan said: "Kuffar [non-believers]" the boy said: "Kill." Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]" and the boy said: "Kill."[/color][/i] http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/02/uk-jihadist-taught-five-year-old-son-kuffar----kill-sheikh-osama-bin-laden-i-love.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/18/nkidnap218.xml

You left off the punchline, PB.

Khan said: "Kuffar"
the boy said: "Kill."
Khan said: "Mushrik [polytheists]"
and the boy said: "Kill."

Khan and boy hold hands,  in unison:
"And, hey Mister, bakshish gimme and make it lotsa lotsa."
Chorus: ' Oh yeah, or else'"

Curtain.

[/quote]

Wonderful. An excellent end to the story, old chap. You have quite a hand for story telling, no?

Mister, buy my statue!

Postcard, please to buy!

Guide?

Come come!

Look in my shop!

Carpet, sir! Lamp!

Hashish? Brown sugar?

Taxi!

Lady?

Ah, the sinister mind of the Muselman. He never stops.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Muslims do make lives difficult for themselves with their fanatics and the refusing of mainstream Muslim world to speak out against them. This is why they have the problems they do and the perception of people they do.

And jews are angels are they?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2013 at 5:23pm:

K, I admit it all - jihadwatch cannot be denied. But thats not even half of it. Ask Yadda how we have infiltrated the British government and Mi5. Our efforts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes is simply no match for Yadda's mighty weaponry of truth: with mad bearded placard bearing protestor images in one hand, and google search strings in the other, we are in full retreat. Onward christian soldiers!

People who sound a warning to the world about the intentions and methods of ISLAM, are now barred from entry to the UK.

n.b.
TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM, AND ITS INTENTIONS IN THE WORLD, IS NOW DEEMED TO BE 'HATE SPEECH' AGAINST MOSLEMS.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/images/UK2.jpg





http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/wp-content/blogs.dir/11/files/2013/06/149797229.jpg
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer have been denied entry to Britain.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/06/a-gross-double-standard-over-hate-speech/




Over the past several decades, it is has become apparent, that [in the West] many, many of our own politicians [i.e. our servants] [and other community leaders], somehow, and for some reason, seem to have abandoned their obligation to serve the people and institutions [which they have taken oaths to serve and to protect], and instead, they seem to have decided to serve the interests of the members of an alien philosophy - a philosophy which [along with its adherents], openly declares [in its political treatise/book] that it wishes to destroy our societal mores, and to replace those societal mores, with an alien set of values.

Why are our [Western] politicians so openly, so unashamedly, choosing to serve the interests of moslems and ISLAM, to the detriment and harm of the interests and the freedoms of the native peoples of our Western nations ?

Why are our own politicians choosing to do this ?

Why do our own politicians seem to be oblivious, to the dangers which a philosophy like ISLAM poses to our way of life, and our very existence as a free people ?

Are our own politicians really so ignorant and really so intellectually incompetent, as to blindly surrender political authority in our societies, to a group of people who [although they pretend to be benign] are religious bigots and political fascists ?

Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK.

Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK. Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.

Who cares let them come in.

Wilders came to Australia few months ago, did he bring any positive change to Australia? Did people leave islam?

He was lucky to get couple hundred people to his lectures.

And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam.

shockresist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:45am:

And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam.

The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam.

Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK. Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.

I do. The UK has traditionally been a refuge for those exiles with uncomfortable views. Sh!t stirrers should definitely be kept out in a time of war, but the UK isn't in that situation, no matter what the knuckleheads try to argue.

Jihadwatch should have every right to do speaking tours if they don't break vilification laws. Radical clerics continue to speak out in the UK, and are justly howled down. To me, banning Jihadwatch reads as appeasing the Muslim community. I would prefer that this "community" had the opportunity to mount an argument against Jihadwatch's more ridiculous claims.

In my experience, extremist groups only speak to the converted, The danger here is that the converted feel compelled to commit violence. Europe has a huge problem with football violence, particularly in Eastern Europe. Much of this is now being directed at Muslim immigrants. Well, ANY immigrants. Crowds don't discriminate, as we saw in the Cronulla riots.

I'm not sure if speakers like Geert Wilders, Jihadwatch, etc, speak to this audience, but their presence justifies it. Also, these groups integrate and form power blocks - the Republican Party/Christian lobby in the US; the British National Party and various fringe groups in the UK. Due to their networking, fundraising and propaganda, these groups have entered into the mainstream. Groups like Jihadwatch form an opportunity for rallying the faithful, and while this may well be dangerous to democracy, it's part of democracy. It's how democracy functions.

The big difference, of course, is their tactics. You've outlined them in this thread and the old boy has articulated them well: joining the dots. This is how power and knowledge is organized, but in this case, it's a form of knowledge based on lies.

And look how hard they are to challenge - you can expose the lie, but they'll say it refers to an abstract truth. Y and the old boy even blame the lies on the source of the "truth". It's their fault for being Moslems. They deserve it. Tit for tat.

As impossible as it is, I don't think banning the lies i(or their dissemination) is the way to stop them. They just have to be chipped away at, one by one. They have to be questioned, fact-checked, sourced. I'm continually amazed at how willing people are to accept the most ridiculous proposals. The suspension of disbelief is often staggering, based as it is on abstract visual media like Fox News, viral emails and internet hate sites. The medium is the message.

Call me old fashioned, but how can these groups be banned? Jihadwatch is far more powerful on the internet than it would ever be on a speaker's podium in the UK. A few hundred seats at some conservative think-tank function versus millions on the net.

Back in the 1950s, Australia had a similar debate when Menzies tried to ban the Communist Party. Menzies believed that the Cold War would inevitably heat up. Banning the Communist Party was akin to banning German or Japanese nationalists during WWII.

The Communist Party won the referendum because the electorate believed people should have a right to organize and say what they want. As dangerous as the hate groups may be, they deserve the same privilege.

The more you try to suppress them, the more powerful they become. The British Home Office will only turn such groups into martyrs by banning their entry to the UK. As insidious as they are, their freedom of speech should be defended.

Same for Geerty, same for the Muselmen. No one has the right to not be offended, isn't it?

Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?

Answer: "Yes we CAN!"

"Ye shall know them by their works"

HERE is a Muslim who had an epiphany on the way to becoming a terrorist.

He did a backflip when he realised he was barking up the wrong tree.

Nowadays he lectures against Islamic fundamentalism and AGAINST anti-America and the West.

He's a very brave young Muslim. It takes a lot of guts to risk life-and-limb to the nutters.

He's a good man.

Maajid Nawaz

And the lesson for YOU here, Mr al-Gandalfi, is not to be so quick to leap to defend against anything said of a negative nature about Muslim attitudes and behaviour.

Maajid Nawaz wants Muslim supremacists to be exposed for who and what they really are ~~ the enemies of democracy and freedom of speech.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am: And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam. The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam. Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death

Nice try, old chap, but Egypt doesn't have a death penalty for apostasy. Torture, beheading, killing - all illegal in Egypt. At present, polls are also showing support for its introduction for apostasy as 64% - who's right?

As usual, your dots-joining is a little more complicated:


Quote:

At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists. Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/pew-64-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/

A strange paradox, but one found in Australia when it comes to the debate over the death penalty:


Quote:

A 2005 Bulletin poll showed that most Australians supported capital punishment. The Australian National University's 2007 Electoral Survey found that 44 per cent of people thought the death penalty should be reintroduced - 38 per cent disagreed. Australia may not have the death penalty, but a sizeable part of the population supports its return.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-death-penalty-no-shades-of-grey-20100301-pdgo.html

Shades of grey?

Absolutely. Never ever. Ever. On stilts.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:

shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am: And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam. The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam. Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam. []

Whats your post got to do with what I said?

shockresist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 2:31pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm: shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am: And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam. The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam. Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam. [] Whats your post got to do with what I said?

He's saying see what would happen in the Islamic world if one Muselman tried to convert to Geerty.

Basically, nothing, but he wants you to know that "87%" of people think it should.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK. Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers.

I have none also Gandalf bugger off back to Arabia kuffer! Take your ilk with you whilst at it

back to?

I don't believe I've ever set foot in Arabia

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

back to? I don't believe I've ever set foot in Arabia

But Arabia has set foot in you.
Visit Islam before Islam visits you. Too late in your case.

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm: shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am: And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam. The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam. Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death Nice try, old chap, but Egypt doesn't have a death penalty for apostasy. Torture, beheading, killing - all illegal in Egypt. At present, polls are also showing support for its introduction for apostasy as 64% - who's right? As usual, your dots-joining is a little more complicated: Quote: At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists. Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/pew-64-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/ A strange paradox, but one found in Australia when it comes to the debate over the death penalty: [quote]A 2005 Bulletin poll showed that most Australians supported capital punishment. The Australian National University's 2007 Electoral Survey found that 44 per cent of people thought the death penalty should be reintroduced - 38 per cent disagreed. Australia may not have the death penalty, but a sizeable part of the population supports its return.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-death-penalty-no-shades-of-grey-20100301-pdgo.html

Shades of grey?

Absolutely. Never ever. Ever. On stilts. [/quote]


How ridiculous you are. As if any of the Islamic countries from Labia to Pakiland were countries where the rule of law meant anything. How many people are murdered for religious reasons every day in these hellholes, PB?  Don't tell me you do not realise this - you get killed very easily, death penalty or not.

Of course you realise this. That's why you are the most articulate lying, twofaced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 1:25pm: Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 12:46pm: shockresist wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:45am: And what is most funny is wilders tries to stop the spread of islam, then later on one of his party members converted to islam. The most influential Sunni leader in the Middle East has just admitted what many of us who grew up as Muslims in the Middle East have always known: that Islam could not exist today without the killing of apostates. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood and one of the most respected leaders of the Sunni world, recently said on Egyptian television, "If they [Muslims] had gotten rid of the punishment [often death] for apostasy, Islam would not exist today." The most striking thing about his statement, however, was that it was not an apology; it was a logical, proud justification for preserving the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy. Al-Qaradawi sounded matter-of-fact, indicating no moral conflict, nor even hesitation, about this policy in Islam. On the contrary, he asserted the legitimacy of Islamic laws in relying on vigilante street justice through fear, intimidation, torture and murder against any person who might dare to leave Islam. Many critics of Islam agree with Sheikh Qaradawi, that Islam could not have survived after the death of the prophet Mohammed if it were not for the killing, torturing, beheading and burning alive of thousands of people -- making examples of them to others who might wish to venture outside Islam. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3572/islam-apostasy-death Nice try, old chap, but Egypt doesn't have a death penalty for apostasy. Torture, beheading, killing - all illegal in Egypt. At present, polls are also showing support for its introduction for apostasy as 64% - who's right? As usual, your dots-joining is a little more complicated: Quote: At least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they are concerned about religious extremist groups in their country, including two-thirds or more of Muslims in Egypt (67%), Tunisia (67%), Iraq (68%), Guinea Bissau (72%) and Indonesia (78%). On balance, more are worried about Islamic extremists than about Christian extremists. Sixty-seven percent of Egyptians are worried about “religious extremist groups” in their country, and meanwhile almost exactly the same number support killing people for leaving Islam. http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/01/pew-64-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/ A strange paradox, but one found in Australia when it comes to the debate over the death penalty: [quote]A 2005 Bulletin poll showed that most Australians supported capital punishment. The Australian National University's 2007 Electoral Survey found that 44 per cent of people thought the death penalty should be reintroduced - 38 per cent disagreed. Australia may not have the death penalty, but a sizeable part of the population supports its return. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/no-death-penalty-no-shades-of-grey-20100301-pdgo.html Shades of grey? Absolutely. Never ever. Ever. On stilts.

How ridiculous you are. As if any of the Islamic countries from Labia to Pakiland were countries where the rule of law meant anything. How many people are murdered for religious reasons every day in these hellholes, PB?  Don't tell me you do not realise this - you get killed very easily, death penalty or not.

Of course you realise this. That's why you are the most articulate lying, twofaced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest.


[/quote]

Good heavens, old chap, not the cradle of the Nile? Not Egypt? Beheading each other now, are they?

Dirty gippos.

We never should have given the place to Uncle - sorry, the army. I mean the Muslim Brotherhood. No - the army.

Dirty gippos are like the Labor Party, eh?

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 12:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:36am: Whats funny about this Y, is that if you had your way muslims and muslim sympathisers would be routinely barred from entering western countries like the UK. Personally I have no problem with keeping out sh!t stirers. I do. The UK has traditionally been a refuge for those exiles with uncomfortable views. Sh!t stirrers should definitely be kept out in a time of war, but the UK isn't in that situation, no matter what the knuckleheads try to argue. Jihadwatch should have every right to do speaking tours if they don't break vilification laws. Radical clerics continue to speak out in the UK, and are justly howled down. To me, banning Jihadwatch reads as appeasing the Muslim community. I would prefer that this "community" had the opportunity to mount an argument against Jihadwatch's more ridiculous claims. In my experience, extremist groups only speak to the converted, The danger here is that the converted feel compelled to commit violence. Europe has a huge problem with football violence, particularly in Eastern Europe. Much of this is now being directed at Muslim immigrants. Well, ANY immigrants. Crowds don't discriminate, as we saw in the Cronulla riots. I'm not sure if speakers like Geert Wilders, Jihadwatch, etc, speak to this audience, but their presence justifies it. Also, these groups integrate and form power blocks - the Republican Party/Christian lobby in the US; the British National Party and various fringe groups in the UK. Due to their networking, fundraising and propaganda, these groups have entered into the mainstream. Groups like Jihadwatch form an opportunity for rallying the faithful, and while this may well be dangerous to democracy, it's part of democracy. It's how democracy functions. The big difference, of course, is their tactics. You've outlined them in this thread and the old boy has articulated them well: joining the dots. This is how power and knowledge is organized, but in this case, it's a form of knowledge based on lies. And look how hard they are to challenge - you can expose the lie, but they'll say it refers to an abstract truth. Y and the old boy even blame the lies on the source of the "truth". It's their fault for being Moslems. They deserve it. Tit for tat. As impossible as it is, I don't think banning the lies i(or their dissemination) is the way to stop them. They just have to be chipped away at, one by one. They have to be questioned, fact-checked, sourced. I'm continually amazed at how willing people are to accept the most ridiculous proposals. The suspension of disbelief is often staggering, based as it is on abstract visual media like Fox News, viral emails and internet hate sites. The medium is the message. Call me old fashioned, but how can these groups be banned? Jihadwatch is far more powerful on the internet than it would ever be on a speaker's podium in the UK. A few hundred seats at some conservative think-tank function versus millions on the net. Back in the 1950s, Australia had a similar debate when Menzies tried to ban the Communist Party. Menzies believed that the Cold War would inevitably heat up. Banning the Communist Party was akin to banning German or Japanese nationalists during WWII. The Communist Party won the referendum because the electorate believed people should have a right to organize and say what they want. As dangerous as the hate groups may be, they deserve the same privilege. The more you try to suppress them, the more powerful they become. The British Home Office will only turn such groups into martyrs by banning their entry to the UK. As insidious as they are, their freedom of speech should be defended. Same for Geerty, same for the Muselmen. No one has the right to not be offended, isn't it?

Long, wide-ranging, learned  - and bollocks.

Marxism, the Communists - they are essentially Western ideas, essentially voices from within the Western tradition.

The voices of jihadi Islamism are essentially alien on every level - culturally, politically, historically, imaginatively, artistically, psychologically, philosophically-- in every way.

It is no accident that the West has been at odds with Islam from the very beginning and through every political, historical, cultural phase, Islam and the West remained at odds - while Marxism was generated very much within the Western tradition and so it lives on in the West and has never been seen as an alien idea.

Ah. Always. Every. Absolutely. Never ever. From the very begining.

Except when we were fighting the Western tradition.

Shurely shome mishtake, eh?

Marvellous stuff.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 9:33pm:

... you are the most articulate inarticulate lying, two-faced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are not clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest.

You seem to be describing yourself.

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:02pm:

Ah. Always. Every. Absolutely. Never ever. From the very begining. Except when we were fighting the Western tradition. Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Marvellous stuff.

You are lost for words, as always when your pompous Foucauldian pseudo-intellectual bubble is burst.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 9:33pm: ... you are the most articulate inarticulate lying, two-faced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are not clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest. You seem to be describing yourself.

;D ;D ;D

Look at you!!! You couldn't articulate a cohesive idea if your life depended on it, even this late in your life.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:09pm: Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 9:33pm: ... you are the most articulate inarticulate lying, two-faced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are not clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest. You seem to be describing yourself. ;D ;D ;D Look at you!!! You couldn't articulate a cohesive idea if your life depended on it, even this late in your life.

Wonderful comeback.

Did your carer help you with that?

I notice you didn't dispute my claim.

Funny that.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm: Ah. Always. Every. Absolutely. Never ever. From the very begining. Except when we were fighting the Western tradition. Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Marvellous stuff. You are lost for words, as always when your pompous Foucauldian pseudo-intellectual bubble is burst.

Two posts in a row attacking people.

What a sad little "man" you are.

I don't know how your little boyfriend puts up with you.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm: Ah. Always. Every. Absolutely. Never ever. From the very begining. Except when we were fighting the Western tradition. Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Marvellous stuff. You are lost for words, as always when your pompous Foucauldian pseudo-intellectual bubble is burst.

Right you are, old chap. As usual.

Allow me to clarify my position. Always, absolutely, forever, etc, except for -

The Cold War, WWII, WWI, the Boer war, Crimea, the Napoleonic wars, the Papal wars, the Hundred Years war, the War of the Roses...  should I continue?

Oh, and let’s not forget Nam. How could I forget?

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:10pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:02pm: Ah. Always. Every. Absolutely. Never ever. From the very begining. Except when we were fighting the Western tradition. Shurely shome mishtake, eh? Marvellous stuff. You are lost for words, as always when your pompous Foucauldian pseudo-intellectual bubble is burst. Right you are, old chap. As usual. Allow me to clarify my position. Always, absolutely, forever, etc, except for - The Cold War, WWII, WWI, the Boer war, Crimea, the Napoleonic wars, the Papal wars, the Hundred Years war, the War of the Roses...  should I continue? Oh, and let’s not forget Nam. How could I forget?

Thank you. You  are talking incoherent shite again. Greggoryfvckwittery has infected you with his particular brand of shite-for-brains disorder, exacerbating your own existing condition in that department.
You two talk to each other, you have an awful lot in common.

Culturally, politically, historically, imaginatively, psychologically, philosophically...

You see? With great minds like yours, old chap, it’s no wonder we’re number one.

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 11:20pm:

Culturally, politically, historically, imaginatively, psychologically, philosophically... You see? With great minds like yours, old chap, it’s no wonder we’re number one.

Thank you, there's a good boy, refuse to make sense. Why should you? You are a proper lil revolutionary, aintcha. Defiant, like.

You  are talking incoherent shite again. Greggoryfvckwittery has infected you with his particular brand of shite-for-brains disorder, exacerbating your own existing condition in that department.

Let’s return to the subject of those dangerous Portugese slashers, shall we?

I say they’re the enemy. They have always been the enemy. The straits of Malacca, Goa, old Zanzibar.

What a dirty breed they are. A word of caution: never drop your trousers near one. He’s quick with a blade, your Portugese. Hot tempered little fellow.

How’s his cheese, old chap?

We won’t have them here. We’re cultured.

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:09pm: Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 9:33pm: ... you are the most articulate inarticulate lying, two-faced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are not clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest. You seem to be describing yourself. ;D ;D ;D Look at you!!! You couldn't articulate a cohesive idea if your life depended on it, even this late in your life.

Now now, the old boy is still only in his forties. He has a long way to go yet.

He’s just old at heart - more of a disability than anything else. Some sort of hormonal deformity, I believe.

He’ll be up and about in no time, won’t you old chap?

There’s fresh stool for supper if you’re good.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:13pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 10:09pm: Soren wrote on Jul 4th, 2013 at 9:33pm: ... you are the most articulate inarticulate lying, two-faced  fvckn sonofabitch on this board. You are not clever enough. You are just not clever enough to be honest. You seem to be describing yourself. ;D ;D ;D Look at you!!! You couldn't articulate a cohesive idea if your life depended on it, even this late in your life. Wonderful comeback. Did your carer help you with that?

The carer’s down with a wog.

Dirty little chap from Lisbon.

It’s so hard to get good help these days.

Lisbon you say? Hmmm have you checked up on him? Could be he's in the kitchen right now wielding a kitchen knife, threatening his family, wanting to do some honour.

Yes, Lisbon. Good heavens - the old boy’s carer’s in with the Portugese!

I knew it. The old boy’s symptoms have been getting worse of late.

I’ll have to report this to the agency.

Can the Islamic crowd be taken as civilised by lone females?

Exposed cat meat ... and 'No!' ~ of course it's not the men's fault if a woman should get raped for intruding upon a men's rally in an Islamic country.


Quote:

Egyptian civil rights activists say that at least 91 women were sexually assaulted or raped in Tahrir Square during protests, which began last Sunday.

That is just soooo bloody 'Muslim'.

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2013 at 10:33pm:

From the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951 and amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[2] 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had reached Israel by 1972.[3][4][5] By the Yom Kippur War of 1973, most of the Jewish communities throughout the Arab World, as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan, were practically non-existent.

I suggest that you look for the documentary "how zionists expelled jews from iraq" on youtube. It explains how Israeli Mossad operatives bombed Iraqi Jewish in order to scare the Iraqi Jews into leaving Iraq. The Zionists were desperate to increase the Israeli population.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7^th, 2013 at 1:33pm:

Can the Islamic crowd be taken as civilised by lone females? ... and 'No!' ~ of course it's not the men's fault if a woman should get raped for intruding upon a men's rally in an Islamic country. Quote: Egyptian civil rights activists say that at least 91 women were sexually assaulted or raped in Tahrir Square during protests, which began last Sunday. That is just soooo bloody 'Muslim'.

These assaults did not occur at Muslim Brotherhood or Islamist  protests, but were reported to have occurred in the midst oif crowds of opposition supporters who are largely secularists, Christians and agents of the Egyptian military.

Can any muslim be taken to be neutral ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

Can any muslim be taken to be neutral ?

Can any knucklehead be taken to be neutral?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

Can any muslim be taken to be neutral ?

Good question SC ~ one which gandalf obviously found a little threatening, and so attempted to neutralise the question with a petulant ad hominem.

Just bear in mind that 91 women were reported as having been raped by Muslims in Cairo's Tahrir Square during these protests of the past few months.

Where the hell else would something like this happen?

Trafalgar Square?

Tiananmen Square.

Times Square?

Red Square?

It's all part of the Islamic culture. And then we have extremely neurotic Western women in this country urging the government to raise the immigration quota and the refugees influx so more Muslims can come and breed in our suburbs.

Remember that little Western girl journalist in Tahrir Square who had her clothes torn off her by the crowd, but with the help of someone she managed to avoid being raped?

I'd give my eye-teeth to know just how much this first hand experience of the Islamic culture and male Muslim mindset has knocked the PC lefty journalist bullshit out of her.

I'll bet her previous PC opinions have been altered radically.

True Colours wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Can the Islamic crowd be taken as civilised by lone females? ... and 'No!' ~ of course it's not the men's fault if a woman should get raped for intruding upon a men's rally in an Islamic country. Quote: Egyptian civil rights activists say that at least 91 women were sexually assaulted or raped in Tahrir Square during protests, which began last Sunday. That is just soooo bloody 'Muslim'. These assaults did not occur at Muslim Brotherhood or Islamist  protests, but were reported to have occurred in the midst oif crowds of opposition supporters who are largely secularists, Christians and agents of the Egyptian military.

It looks like we have another delusional muslim here.

Do you even know what a secularist is?


Quote:

An Egyptian Salafi preacher said raping and sexually harassing women protestors in Cairo's Tahrir square is justified, calling them crusaders who have no shame, no fear and not even feminism. Abu Islam added these women activists are going to Tahrir square because they want to be raped. http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/07/264982.html

Only a muslim will say rape is justified, have you seen the rape fatwas from Syria?
Sheik Hilaly was from Egypt, he said those rape victims were uncovered meat.

'Secularists' raped 91 women in Tahrir Square ~ plus the naive little Western blonde journalist who escaped from a mass gang-bang by the shirt off her back.

Not Muslims, I'm told. Secularists.

"I was raped by Secularists!" those 91 women are now telling anyone who will listen.

That's a good sanitation job by the Apologists.

'Secularists'.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

'Secularists' raped 91 women in Tahrir Square ~ plus the naive little Western blonde journalist who escaped from a mass gang-bang by the shirt off her back. Not Muslims, I'm told. Secularists. "I was raped by Secularists!" those 91 women are now telling anyone who will listen. That's a good sanitation job by the Apologists. 'Secularists'.

In this context, "secularists" refers to those protesting against Morsy.

How do you know they were Muslims?

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

In this context, "secularists" refers to those protesting against Morsy. How do you know they were Muslims?

It was just a wild guess.  ::)

And Jesus wept.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

'Secularists' raped 91 women in Tahrir Square ~ plus the naive little Western blonde journalist who escaped from a mass gang-bang by the shirt off her back. Not Muslims, I'm told. Secularists.

According to many Muslims (eg Abu), if you are a secularist then by definition you are not a Muslim.

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm: 'Secularists' raped 91 women in Tahrir Square ~ plus the naive little Western blonde journalist who escaped from a mass gang-bang by the shirt off her back. Not Muslims, I'm told. Secularists. According to many Muslims (eg Abu), if you are a secularist then by definition you are not a Muslim.

Yes, many Christians say this too.

Typical.

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 8:23pm:

According to many Muslims (eg Abu), if you are a secularist then by definition you are not a Muslim.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/pigs-fly-flu_zpsb596bd89.gif

Just try renouncing Islam in a city where 91 women get raped for recreational relief during protest rallies in the town square.

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 3:55pm: 'Secularists' raped 91 women in Tahrir Square ~ plus the naive little Western blonde journalist who escaped from a mass gang-bang by the shirt off her back. Not Muslims, I'm told. Secularists. "I was raped by Secularists!" those 91 women are now telling anyone who will listen. That's a good sanitation job by the Apologists. 'Secularists'. In this context, "secularists" refers to those protesting against Morsy. How do you know they were Muslims?

Oh? SO being a secularist is about context now?!? Is there anything in the Muslim world that can be taken at face value? Is there anything that is not twisted and evaded and contorted, in the guise of 'context'; the ever shifting, ever morphing 'context'?

What is the 'context' of the rapes on Tahrir Square? Of the church bombings and Copt killings? The people who are protesting against Morsi are Mubarak supporters and salafists.  Context?  The Muslim Brotherhood lied about governing for all. 'Context'?
No matter how much the Muslims bugger up, it is always misunderstood because there is a 'context' that whoever is critical of it will never understand.
It's like the need for 'context' of classical arabic to understand the Koran: a load of bollocks.

Quite right, old boy, the context that the overwealming majority of the biggest Arab country would rather a military coup than have the Muslim Brotherhood in power.

Never ever, eh?

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Quite right, old boy, the context that the overwealming majority of the biggest Arab country would rather a military coup than have the Muslim Brotherhood in power. Never ever, eh?

Barely a year after the majority of said Muslim country elected the Muslim Brotherhood to govern them. And this is the cultural centre of Islam.

They sound fvckn worse than the Labor Party, and that's sayingsomething. Talk about being completely lost.
Needless to say, Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', as always.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 2:38pm:

True Colours wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 12:41pm: Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 1:33pm: Can the Islamic crowd be taken as civilised by lone females? ... and 'No!' ~ of course it's not the men's fault if a woman should get raped for intruding upon a men's rally in an Islamic country. Quote: Egyptian civil rights activists say that at least 91 women were sexually assaulted or raped in Tahrir Square during protests, which began last Sunday. That is just soooo bloody 'Muslim'. These assaults did not occur at Muslim Brotherhood or Islamist  protests, but were reported to have occurred in the midst oif crowds of opposition supporters who are largely secularists, Christians and agents of the Egyptian military. It looks like we have another delusional muslim here. Do you even know what a secularist is? [quote] An Egyptian Salafi preacher said raping and sexually harassing women protestors in Cairo's Tahrir square is justified, calling them crusaders who have no shame, no fear and not even feminism. Abu Islam added these women activists are going to Tahrir square because they want to be raped. english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/07/264982

Only a muslim will say rape is justified, have you seen the rape fatwas from Syria?

[/quote]


I listened to his words, and he does not seem to say that raping women is "justified". He is critical of the women opposing the government, but the "justified" part doesn't exist and seems to be the creation of the newspaper.

Al-Arabiyah is owned by the Saudi government who hates the Muslim Brotherhood and anyone who supports them. To put this in context, the owner of Al-Arabiya news network, just promised to give the military generals of Egypt $5billion.

Fair and unbiased reporting?

Soren wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 11:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 11:06pm: Quite right, old boy, the context that the overwealming majority of the biggest Arab country would rather a military coup than have the Muslim Brotherhood in power. Never ever, eh? Barely a year after the majority of said Muslim country elected the Muslim Brotherhood to govern them. And this is the cultural centre of Islam.

Morsi was not directly elected.

Of course, you knew this already, old chap. I remember you jumping with joy when Morsi came to power.

And this is the cultural centre of Islam, eh?

Absolutely. Always. On stilts.

You must miss Morsi so, old chap.

Never.mind. At least they’re killing Islamicists in the cultural centre of Islam.

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 11:15pm: Karnal wrote on Jul 12th, 2013 at 11:06pm: Quite right, old boy, the context that the overwealming majority of the biggest Arab country would rather a military coup than have the Muslim Brotherhood in power. Never ever, eh? Barely a year after the majority of said Muslim country elected the Muslim Brotherhood to govern them. And this is the cultural centre of Islam. Morsi was not directly elected. Of course, you knew this already, old chap. I remember you jumping with joy when Morsi came to power. And this is the cultural centre of Islam, eh? Absolutely. Always. On stilts. You must miss Morsi so, old chap. Never.mind. At least they’re killing Islamicists in the cultural centre of Islam.

If only you made sense.
But you are afflicted with the sickness of never saying anything, only making allusions and references. Leaping from allusion to allusion, you become ridiculous, like the nuns of the Order of St Beryl.

Leaping here leaping there, leaping, leaping everywhere.

Nothing to see here, eh?

Oh, old boy, you’re such a tease.

Muslims once again demonstrating why they are unfit for immigration to Western societies.

It's just endless bad news about these Medievalists.

It's time to forcibly repatriate those in jail, and those who have demonstrated an anti-social attitude towards Western society.

We need them like termites in the foundation pillars of our homeland societies.

Perhaps Abbott might have a plan for the Muslim troublemakers.

Send them all off to Cairo for ritual hand-jobs by Brotherhood bitches in burqas.

^Sloppy journalism. The headlines reads "...links to terrorism" but if you read the article it has nothing to do with terrorism. It is just that the UK government doesn't like their religious beliefs.

Freedom of religion? No longer in the UK.

True Colours wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

^Sloppy journalism. The headlines reads "...links to terrorism" but if you read the article it has nothing to do with terrorism. It is just that the UK government doesn't like their religious beliefs. Freedom of religion? No longer in the UK.

They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned.

I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned.

Some facts:

* the leaflet was handed out by a totally different organisation (Sunniyy Centre) to the organisation trying to open a school (Northern Lights)
*Northern Lights has denied having any links with Sunniyy Centre

From what I read the leaflet does not even say that the parents will be condemned for not attending, but has been totally misconstrued by bigots who oppose the school.





polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug.

Do you still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That boat people threw their children overboard? Don't be a gullible fool.

True Colours wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 3:08pm:

It is just that the UK government doesn't like their religious beliefs.

For 50 years the UK government has been falling over itself to please-and-appease the Muslim community.

In your desperation to excuse and 'explain' the appalling news that keeps making headlines for all the wrong reasons about Muslims, you and gandalf have long since begun to resort to the absurd.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

For 50 years the UK government has been falling over itself to please-and-appease the Muslim community.

Oh really? Speaking of appeasing, why did they invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Who was the appeasement aimed at?

True Colours wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned. Some facts: * the leaflet was handed out by a totally different organisation (Sunniyy Centre) to the organisation trying to open a school (Northern Lights) *Northern Lights has denied having any links with Sunniyy Centre From what I read the leaflet does not even say that the parents will be condemned for not attending, but has been totally misconstrued by bigots who oppose the school. polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug. Do you still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That boat people threw their children overboard? Don't be a gullible fool.

Iraq used chemical weapons (WMD's?) in the war with Iran.

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

True Colours wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:24pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned. Some facts: * the leaflet was handed out by a totally different organisation (Sunniyy Centre) to the organisation trying to open a school (Northern Lights) *Northern Lights has denied having any links with Sunniyy Centre From what I read the leaflet does not even say that the parents will be condemned for not attending, but has been totally misconstrued by bigots who oppose the school. polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug. Do you still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That boat people threw their children overboard? Don't be a gullible fool. Iraq used chemical weapons (WMD's?) in the war with Iran.

You are talking about weapons the US and France sold Saddam in the '80s. Bush and Howard claimed that they had irrefutable evidence that Iraq had WMDs in 2003 - despite a decade of sanctions and numerous UN weapons inspections that turned up nothing.

Lies. Your government lied to you. Howard lied to you. Howard is a traitor.

True Colours wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 9:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 7:12pm: True Colours wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:24pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned. Some facts: * the leaflet was handed out by a totally different organisation (Sunniyy Centre) to the organisation trying to open a school (Northern Lights) *Northern Lights has denied having any links with Sunniyy Centre From what I read the leaflet does not even say that the parents will be condemned for not attending, but has been totally misconstrued by bigots who oppose the school. polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug. Do you still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That boat people threw their children overboard? Don't be a gullible fool. Iraq used chemical weapons (WMD's?) in the war with Iran. You are talking about weapons the US and France sold Saddam in the '80s.

Did he buy them without knowing what they were? Why did he buy them?

Should we treat Arabs as children and say-'Naughty boy, you are not allowed to buy candy weapons'?  You would be bellyaching just as much if the the west refused to sell certain things to Arabs (sanctions).

You are a very good example of the blotto Arab hothead with no fvckn idea other than the right to be a screaming ninny.

I say, old chap - screaming ninny? Not here!

Free trader, are you, old chap?

I dare say Sir Reggie would not have taken such a liberal stance with Mustapha Khunt.

Different times, eh?

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2013 at 7:12pm:

True Colours wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 4:24pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: They were handing out flyers saying that muslim parents who didn't attend a meeting of support for the school would be condemned. Some facts: * the leaflet was handed out by a totally different organisation (Sunniyy Centre) to the organisation trying to open a school (Northern Lights) *Northern Lights has denied having any links with Sunniyy Centre From what I read the leaflet does not even say that the parents will be condemned for not attending, but has been totally misconstrued by bigots who oppose the school. polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 15th, 2013 at 3:48pm: I don't believe the UK government is against islamic schools per se and I tend to take them at their word when they cite links to extremists as their reason for pulling the plug. Do you still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That boat people threw their children overboard? Don't be a gullible fool. Iraq used chemical weapons (WMD's?) in the war with Iran.

that's correct - Washington still has the purchase orders and invoices

Yes, but fair’s fair. They were meant to be used on Iranians.

What are we supposed to do? Let the arms industry go broke?

The old boy’s right. We are selling weapons and chemicals to people over 18. They have to show ID when they sign the invoice.

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

Did he buy them without knowing what they were? Why did he buy them?

We can't ask him, Bush made sure of that. No evidence left of shady deals if you know what I mean. Perhaps the people who sold them should be interrogated. I hear that evidence gained through waterboarding is not all that reliable. But we can always set up military tribunals that rely on dodgy evidence.


Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

we treat Arabs as children and say-'Naughty boy, you are not allowed to buy candy weapons'?  You would be bellyaching just as much if the the west refused to sell certain things to Arabs (sanctions).

I am not sure why you have to bring racism into it Sore One. I don't think that anyone should be selling chemical weapons to anyone.



Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 9:38pm:

You are a very good example of the blotto Arab hothead with no fvckn idea other than the right to be a screaming ninny.

Where did I say that I am an Arab you Jew.

True Colours wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:38pm: Did he buy them without knowing what they were? Why did he buy them? We can't ask him, Bush made sure of that. No evidence left of shady deals if you know what I mean. Perhaps the people who sold them should be interrogated. I hear that evidence gained through waterboarding is not all that reliable. But we can always set up military tribunals that rely on dodgy evidence. Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:38pm: we treat Arabs as children and say-'Naughty boy, you are not allowed to buy candy weapons'?  You would be bellyaching just as much if the the west refused to sell certain things to Arabs (sanctions). I am not sure why you have to bring racism into it Sore One. I don't think that anyone should be selling chemical weapons to anyone. Soren wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 9:38pm: You are a very good example of the blotto Arab hothead with no fvckn idea other than the right to be a screaming ninny. Where did I say that I am an Arab you Jew.

Ok.
SO you say: we should sanction/boycott Arabs/Muslims from buying certain Western products because they cannot be trusted with them and when they do use them murderously against each other, they will blame us for giving it to them.

Therefore:  you are a hotheaded screaming Arab ninny because you are stupid enough to present such an argument.

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 9:57pm:

I say, old chap - screaming ninny? Not here! Free trader, are you, old chap? I dare say Sir Reggie would not have taken such a liberal stance with Mustapha Khunt. Different times, eh?

You are not suggesting that True Cul is related to Mustapha?

Tue Cul - if not Arab, are you Turkish, by any chance? We may know your grand-daddy. Ask Uncle PB here. He's got all the files stashed in a place where the Levantine sun don't shine.

True Colours wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

you Jew.

;D ;D ;D ;D

That didn't take long, you predictable little Muslim intellectual, did it?

Hate to exploit your own stupidity, but it is impossible to avoid it so I ask your own question back to you - where did I say I was a Jew?

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 10:40pm:

True Colours wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 10:07pm: you Jew. ;D ;D ;D ;D That didn't take long, you predictable little Muslim intellectual, did it? Hate to exploit your own stupidity, but it is impossible to avoid it so I ask your own question back to you - where did I say I was a Jew?

You really are stupid. Did someone shave a chimp and teach it to type? I was just showing how stupid it was for you to jump to conclusions. If you can assume that I am an Arab (which I am not) then why should I not be entitled to assume that you are a Jew?

Fine.  You are a very good example of the blotto non-Arab Islamic hothead with no fvckn idea other than the right to be a screaming ninny.

Happy?

No. Never, ever. On stilts. 

(PB - happy?)

You missed Absolutely, old chap.

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2013 at 11:06pm:

You missed Absolutely, old chap.

Absolutely, a pissant, you.

Subject: Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?

Through the freedom of the internet ... blogs ... Google ... alternative news sources ... commentary from journalists working outside of the constraints of political correctness ... There's a section of the general public that is now becoming informed and educated about Islam and its followers as never before.

Muslims would do well to take the increasingly educated general public very seriously indeed.

Last weekend we here in Sydney were treated to an appalling display of misdirected sympathy when members of our Muslim community marched through the streets in protest on behalf of the Islamists in Cairo. 

The Sydney streets flowed with a moving tide of local Muslims bewailing the fact that the 'moderates' in Egypt had managed to winkle out of government the dangerous fanatics and extremists of which The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the coalition.

And here we are, sitting in our homes in Sydney, watching this parade of religious fascists, and wondering why in hell our fathers and grandfathers lost their lives fighting Hitler and Tojo just so our immigration department could allow yet another set of fascists to come live in our suburbs and vote in our elections.

Any sane government would have rounded up these Extremist sympathisers and jetted them off to be unloaded somewhere in the Middle East.   
 

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:01am:

...bewailing the fact that the 'moderates' in Egypt had managed to winkle out of government the dangerous fanatics and extremists of which The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the coalition...

Yes who in their right mind would protest against a military coup overthrowing a democratically elected government? You really must think that they are terrible extremists for protesting against a miltary coup that installs military dictators.

A military coup that was funded by the US.

I am tempted to put your post in the Islamophobes retarded thread Herbert.




Some interesting articles to read.

US documents show that Washington funded military coup in Egypt -


Obama Ignores US Law To Ignore Egypt's Coup


US-Funded Military Coup Butchers Citizens Of Egypt Protesting Illegal Coup

Muslims held a protest march in Sydney against the eviction of extremists from the Egyptian government.

But you're trying to tell me that  ...

...  "Hell, No! These Australian Muslims HATE and DETEST Islamists and Extremism of the sort that brought down the Twin Towers! ~ Their ONLY concern is that democracy is preserved in Egypt!"

Is this correct?

Is this what you're telling me? 

And what does this say about the Australian Muslim attitude towards Australian soldiers fighting Muslim extremists in Afghanistan?

They're over there risking their lives and dying, with meanwhile Muslim sympathisers of the Islamists are here in Australia, comfortable and secure, and with the right to vote.

It's madness. Utter lunacy.

True Colours wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:01am: ...bewailing the fact that the 'moderates' in Egypt had managed to winkle out of government the dangerous fanatics and extremists of which The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the coalition...     Yes who in their right mind would protest against a military coup overthrowing a democratically elected government? You really must think that they are terrible extremists for protesting against a miltary coup that installs military dictators.

Coptic Kristallnacht

The Muslim Brotherhood is terrorizing Egypt, and Christians are a particular target.

The Muslim Brotherhood is using violence to terrorize Egypt, claiming the lives of hundreds of Egyptians, many of whom were Christian. In the violence that erupted on Wednesday and Thursday (14-15 August 2013), 32 churches were destroyed and 19 severely damaged, according to the Maspero Youth Union, a Christian human-rights organization. Scores of Christian homes, businesses, and automobiles were destroyed — all of this in roughly 24 hours.

And yet, bizarrely, Western media have largely portrayed the Muslim Brotherhood as the victims of violence. Egypt’s moderates are not persuaded that the brutality of the Muslim Brotherhood’s partisan paramilitaries is a sign that the Morsi regime should have remained in power. “The violence would come one way or the other,” Thabet observes. “No, I have no regrets.”

Many Egyptians believe that Morsi was on a path to radicalize Egypt’s government, judiciary, and military, and that if the Muslim Brotherhood had not been stopped, it might have been decades before the Islamist regime was dislodged. This has forced secular-leaning Egyptians to accept the lesser of two evils, martial law.

Soren wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:45am: Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:01am: ...bewailing the fact that the 'moderates' in Egypt had managed to winkle out of government the dangerous fanatics and extremists of which The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the coalition...     Yes who in their right mind would protest against a military coup overthrowing a democratically elected government? You really must think that they are terrible extremists for protesting against a miltary coup that installs military dictators. Coptic Kristallnacht The Muslim Brotherhood is terrorizing Egypt, and Christians are a particular target. The Muslim Brotherhood is using violence to terrorize Egypt, claiming the lives of hundreds of Egyptians, many of whom were Christian. In the violence that erupted on Wednesday and Thursday (14-15 August 2013), 32 churches were destroyed and 19 severely damaged, according to the Maspero Youth Union, a Christian human-rights organization. Scores of Christian homes, businesses, and automobiles were destroyed — all of this in roughly 24 hours. And yet, bizarrely, Western media have largely portrayed the Muslim Brotherhood as the victims of violence. Egypt’s moderates are not persuaded that the brutality of the Muslim Brotherhood’s partisan paramilitaries is a sign that the Morsi regime should have remained in power. “The violence would come one way or the other,” Thabet observes. “No, I have no regrets.” Many Egyptians believe that Morsi was on a path to radicalize Egypt’s government, judiciary, and military, and that if the Muslim Brotherhood had not been stopped, it might have been decades before the Islamist regime was dislodged. This has forced secular-leaning Egyptians to accept the lesser of two evils, martial law.

The Christians getting involved with the military coup was bound to raise the temperature.

Here is the Coptic pope sitting with the coup leaders immediately after Mursi was overthrown.

He encouraged the coup, and parised it when it succeeded.

Such treachery from the pope does Egypt's Christian community no favours.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/getreligion/files/2013/08/MorsiOutPressConf.jpg
Pope Tawadros II (second from right) with coup leaders

Yadda wrote on Jul 17^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16th, 2013 at 11:06pm: You missed Absolutely, old chap. Absolutely, a pissant, you.

Ah, my frien, you are a good man, a Khristian fellow if I am not mistaken.

All is the will of Gud, no?

Australian Muslims protesting against the Extremists having been ousted from government.

What the hell are our troops doing in Afghanistan while here in our own suburbs we have these Islamist supporters of Extremism parading themselves in our streets?

The Muslim Brotherhood in Sydney

For two years the fascist Muslim Brotherhood Islamists have had an office open here in Sydney.

Where is the Renta-Crowd that used to demonstrate whenever One Nation was holding a meeting in a rented town hall?

What are these bitches doing in our country? I hope the Australian Federal Police and ASIO have filmed them and identified who these enemies of Western society are.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:20pm:

I hope the Australian Federal Police and ASIO have filmed them and identified who these enemies of Western society are. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/20-08-20132-13-35PM_zpscd867eac.png

They protested against secularism? How un-Western...or is it?


http://www.jdnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.72980.1357166776!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_420/prayer-in-schools-rally.jpg

http://texas.patriotstatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/abortion-protest.jpg

http://soundandmotionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/westboro-baptist.jpg


http://cast.thirdage.com/files/originals/protesters-greet-those-from-westboro-baptist-church-st.-charles-29.jpg   



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http://70.40.202.97/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/secular-sabotge.jpg

True Green (you are a Muslim, aren't you?) ~

You don't help your cause with such nonsense.

This Muslim mob in Sydney held banners telling fellow Muslims to ditch democracy for theocratic rule and Sharia Law.

They were very unhappy that a religious dictatorship was kicked out of the Egyptian government by people who don't want to live as mindless slaves to Islam.

WHERE were the much-vaunted 'Moderate' Muslims out on the street in Sydney to shout down these Islamist Extremists?

The news reported 'Hundreds' of these Sydney Muslims protesting in our streets.

Hundreds.

True Colours wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 2:20pm: I hope the Australian Federal Police and ASIO have filmed them and identified who these enemies of Western society are. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/20-08-20132-13-35PM_zpscd867eac.png They protested against secularism? How un-Western...or is it? http://www.jdnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.72980.1357166776!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_420/prayer-in-schools-rally.jpg http://texas.patriotstatesman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/abortion-protest.jpg http://soundandmotionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/westboro-baptist.jpg http://cast.thirdage.com/files/originals/protesters-greet-those-from-westboro-baptist-church-st.-charles-29.jpg    http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/a6/c4/1342919730_2025_wbc.jpg?itok=eVr8s3S0 http://rationalist.org.uk/images/Megan-Phelps.jpg http://70.40.202.97/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/secular-sabotge.jpg

In 2013 Islamic countries are the only ones with the death penalty for homosexuals,Ahmanutjob from Iran did say there are no homos in Iran, they hang them when they come out of the closet.

Tell us what Islam preaches about homosexuals tc?

True Colours wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:01am: ...bewailing the fact that the 'moderates' in Egypt had managed to winkle out of government the dangerous fanatics and extremists of which The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the coalition...     Yes who in their right mind would protest against a military coup overthrowing a democratically elected government? You really must think that they are terrible extremists for protesting against a miltary coup that installs military dictators.

Morsi received 13,230,131 votes which was 51% of the votes,Egypt has a population of over 80 million so less than half of all Egyptian's voted.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012

It would be fair to say half wanted Morsi and the other half did not.
30 million Egyptian protestors resulted in the army removing Morsi from power.

Who in their right mind would want Islamic rule?

Even the smallest minority of pro-democracy citizens has the moral right to do whatever it takes to unseat and destroy a dictatorship that rules over them.

The German resistance fighters against Hitler's regime were a tiny minority, but were morally justified in wishing to bring freedom back to the people.

Yes, my friend, it is so. All have the moral right to worship Jesus, isn’t it.

Praise Him, praise Him, praise His holy name.

Can the anti-islam crowd here be taken seriously?

Don't know, I ignore them.

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

Even the smallest minority of pro-democracy citizens has the moral right to do whatever it takes to unseat and destroy a dictatorship that rules over them.

Sounds like a  newspeak description of what really happened.



Some how the US-backed military leaders were overthrowing a democratically elected dictator. All makes sense to Herbert. :D



What's next Herbert? War is peace? Freedom is slavery? Ignorance is strength? Are you going to tell us 2 + 2 = 5 Herbert?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brm7iK-MtZs

True Colours wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:14pm:

What's next Herbert?

What's next is a whole lot of Mursi supporters claiming refugee status as victims of a bloodbath, and ending up being seeded throughout the English-speaking Western World as sleepers and supporters of al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

For as long as Western governments refuse to accept that Muslim immigration is a recipe for social discord and disharmony for the host society, then the Islamisation of the West will proceed at a rate exponential with their breeding rate and their influx from foreign climes.

True Colours? ~ Needless to say, Gaddafi was right when he said that the Islamisation of Europe was already a done-deal because of the millions already there, and because political correctness has rendered European governments impotent to resist the onslaught.

 

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Morsi received 13,230,131 votes which was 51% of the votes,Egypt has a population of over 80 million so less than half of all Egyptian's voted. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012

You are not very bright are you? Do you suppose that children should be voting?


John Howard was elected with 49.02% of the popular vote in 1998. He was elected with less than 5.5 million votes out of a population of 18.7 million! Is that democracy? Should there have been a coup?



Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

It would be fair to say half wanted Morsi and the other half did not.

and that is what elections are for.



Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

30 million Egyptian protestors resulted in the army removing Morsi from power.

Garbage. The anti-Morsi protests were as large as the pro-Morsi protests. The only difference is the anti-Morsi protesters were getting paid by the CIA.


Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Who in their right mind would want Islamic rule?

God. Moses. Jesus:


Quote:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the way of the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them - Matthew 5:17

True Colours wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm: Morsi received 13,230,131 votes which was 51% of the votes,Egypt has a population of over 80 million so less than half of all Egyptian's voted. www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_presidential_election,_2012 You are not very bright are you? Do you suppose that children should be voting? John Howard was elected with 49.02% of the popular vote in 1998. He was elected with less than 5.5 million votes out of a population of 18.7 million! Is that democracy? Should there have been a coup? Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm: It would be fair to say half wanted Morsi and the other half did not. and that is what elections are for. Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm: 30 million Egyptian protestors resulted in the army removing Morsi from power. Garbage. The anti-Morsi protests were as large as the pro-Morsi protests. The only difference is the anti-Morsi protesters were getting paid by the CIA. Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:33pm: Who in their right mind would want Islamic rule? God.

Morsi got 13.2 million votes, 22.1 million people signed a petition to have him removed, what percentage of the population signed the petition to have him removed?

Quote:

Activists for the Tamarod,or rebellion campaign have 22.1 million signatures since april calling for Morsi to step down. http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-petition-anti-morsi-431/

Lots of pictures here of the crowd who wanted Morsi gone, even women wearing hijabs wanted him out.
www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/06/heres-what-todays-massive-anti-morsi-protests-looked/66728/

Only dopey muslims want Islamic rule, non muslims dont care for Islamic laws that violate human nrights.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:22pm:

Morsi got 13.2 million votes, 22.1 million people signed a petition to have him removed, what percentage of the population signed the petition to have him removed?

I see. So you would take some fake CIA-sponsored petition over well-scrutinised elections.

I am tempted to put your post in the Islamophobes retarded thread.

Yes ... Can we be taken seriously?

Is our concern about who we now have living amongst us in our own society simply a case of delusional paranoia with no basis in fact?

True_Colours ~ I'm actually toying with the idea of paying you to at last admit that not everything is hunky-dory in the World of Immigrant Islam.

There's something not quite right, here and there.

Feel free to name your price ...  8-)

I'll even send you an original autograph from Rage Boy.

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Assad of Syria is an Alawite Muslim, although he is secular in the same way as Saddam Hussein was.

Alawites


Quote:

Other specific elements such as the belief in divine incarnation, permissibility of alcohol, celebration of Christmas and Zoroastrian new year makes Alawite Islam highly suspect in the eyes of many orthodox Sunnis and Shiites.

Alawite Muslims are allowed to have a good booze-up, and celebrate Christmas.

'GO HOME MUSLIMS!' would be my message.

It's why countries have borders. It's the whole reason that countries have demarcation lines between them.

You do your thing over there ... and we'll do our thing over here. That way no one bumps into each other, and no one need get upset about certain immigrant communities rowing against the direction that the mainstream wishes to take their country into the future.

Borders are peace-makers. They serve the purpose of giving conflicting cultures their own space to do whatever pleases them.

When those national borders are simply ignored by politicians who have been given fat cheques by developers to help finance their political campaigning for re-election, with the consequence that intransigent aliens come pouring in through the entry points, then the result becomes a little confusing as to whose country this now belongs to, and whose culture should prevail.

Strangers in their own land.

Lord Herbert wrote on Oct 8^th, 2013 at 7:57pm:

'GO HOME MUSLIMS!' would be my message.

How about "GO HOME AGED CHINESE MEN WHO HAVE DECEIVED THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ENGLISH!"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D