Australia is in need of a Guantanamo Bay style facility. Should Christmas island be turned into such a facility with policy of an incoming Government of turning back boats could see people smugglers resorting to terrorist acts of mass murder in order to complete their objectives.

Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:37am:

Australia is in need of a Guantanamo Bay style facility. Should Christmas island be turned into such a facility with policy of an incoming Government of turning back boats could see people smugglers resorting to terrorist acts of mass murder in order to complete their objectives.

What's it like to live your life in constant irrational fear?

Seriously. 

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:14pm:

Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his.

Yes, yes apparently that's the case.
Or rather thats what he told the American people when campaigning.

So interesting in Jan 2011 he signed into law the Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on transferring of detainees from Gitmo facility to the US mainland - which prevents the ability to close the facilities......

Me thinks some y'all fell for his play hook, line and sinker.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:16pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:37am: Australia is in need of a Guantanamo Bay style facility. Should Christmas island be turned into such a facility with policy of an incoming Government of turning back boats could see people smugglers resorting to terrorist acts of mass murder in order to complete their objectives. What's it like to live your life in constant irrational fear? Seriously.

Maybe you should ask some of the green supports of this site as they themselves have stated crews from people smuggling vessels would set fire and sink any boat turned around by an Abbott Incoming Government, So clearly that is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such and to create a Guantanamo Bay style facility at Christmas Island would be a good deterrent for those wishing to profit from the people smuggling trade.

How does anyone know we dont have a gitmo style facility? Its not like we are told this kind of thing. . . .

SOB

We already have Guantanamo Bay establishments, but we call them detention centres, and we have children locked up in ours...... ha! you thought you were world leaders in human torture America, beat that!

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200809/r291654_1248215.jpg






waiting for comments about how lucky they should consider themselves.....

You kidding aren't you, their visitors are not even padded down on entry.. cant even call it a real prison. We even had a known terrorist who's on a global watch list living it up in minimum security. For Christ sake he is wanted for Murder.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 7:07am:

We already have Guantanamo Bay establishments, but we call them detention centres, and we have children locked up in ours...... ha! you thought you were world leaders in human torture America, beat that! http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200809/r291654_1248215.jpg waiting for comments about how lucky they should consider themselves.....

What a laugh. These places are no where near approaching a real prison. And the detainees should consider themsleves lucky.

ian wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 2:16pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 7:07am: We already have Guantanamo Bay establishments, but we call them detention centres, and we have children locked up in ours...... ha! you thought you were world leaders in human torture America, beat that! http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200809/r291654_1248215.jpg waiting for comments about how lucky they should consider themselves..... What a laugh. These places are no where near approaching a real prison. And the detainees should consider themsleves lucky.

Detention centres aren't prisons, true. People in jail have been found guilty of a crime

The centres are concentration camps.

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Well this is my point, Our detention centres need to be feared not a bloody holiday camp like they currently are, visitor rights need to be removed and military type security is needed, just do a search of Russian Black Dolphin prison. this is the type of security that is needed.

ian wrote on Jun 5^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps.

Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one?

SOB

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 3:44am:

ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Well this is my point, Our detention centres need to be feared not a bloody holiday camp like they currently are, visitor rights need to be removed and military type security is needed, just do a search of Russian Black Dolphin prison. this is the type of security that is needed.

Why? Have they been blowing up buses from there?

SOB

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2013 at 5:46pm:

The centres are concentration camps.

Correct.

'Concentration camps' in the correct and original meaning of the word.

Not ~ repeat, NOT 'extermination camps'.

Before the war, Dachau was used as a concentration camp in the original meaning of the word. Prisoners came and went after doing their time, or being found innocent of the charges against them.

Nice try, Peter, but this didn't win you a free holiday to Moscow and Lenin's mausoleum this time.
 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1^st, 2013 at 8:45pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his. Yes, yes apparently that's the case. Or rather thats what he told the American people when campaigning. So interesting in Jan 2011 he signed into law the Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on transferring of detainees from Gitmo facility to the US mainland - which prevents the ability to close the facilities...... Me thinks some y'all fell for his play hook, line and sinker.

Well said.

Obama played the Lefty sob-sisters like a violin. He 'worked the crowd' with romantic promises that under his administration the US would reclaim its moral credentials by closing down Gitmo for being a stain upon America's reputation for fairness and transparency.

Needless to say, once in office he was soon made privy to the successes that had been gained at Guantanamo Bay, and the reasons why it should continue to function offshore from the US mainland.

Made a lot of sense to him once he was apprised of all the facts, and hence his backflip.

Same with Julia and Nauru.

And speaking of 'back-flips' ~ there are going to be an awful lot of shame-faced and embarrassed Labour voters doing a back-flip this coming 14th September.

Maybe even Mr Grey and Peter Freedman will be performing a back-flip at the polling booths worthy of Circus Oz or Cirque du Soleil...  :P

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:55am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:45pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 1st, 2013 at 8:14pm: Maybe you could borrow a Gitmo from Obama - he doesn't want his. Yes, yes apparently that's the case. Or rather thats what he told the American people when campaigning. So interesting in Jan 2011 he signed into law the Defense Authorization Bill which places restrictions on transferring of detainees from Gitmo facility to the US mainland - which prevents the ability to close the facilities...... Me thinks some y'all fell for his play hook, line and sinker. Well said. Obama played the Lefty sob-sisters like a violin. He 'worked the crowd' with romantic promises that under his administration the US would reclaim its moral credentials by closing down Gitmo for being a stain upon America's reputation for fairness and transparency. Needless to say, once in office he was soon made privy to the successes that had been gained at Guantanamo Bay, and the reasons why it should continue to function offshore from the US mainland. Made a lot of sense to him once he was apprised of all the facts, and hence his backflip. Same with Julia and Nauru. And speaking of 'back-flips' ~ there are going to be an awful lot of shame-faced and embarrassed Labour voters doing a back-flip this coming 14th September. Maybe even Mr Grey and Peter Freedman will be performing a back-flip at the polling booths worthy of Circus Oz or Cirque du Soleil...  :P

There has been no back flip. A month ago, in an interview with the Washington Post, Obama declared he still wanted to close Gitmo.

Problems include determined opposition from the Republicans and the lack of anywhere to send the 166 prisoners held there.

Obama is looking at the possibility of sending many of them to Yemen - 100 of the prisoners are Yemenis.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

Obama is looking at the possibility of sending many of them to Yemen - 100 of the prisoners are Yemenis.

You must be joking.

Yemen is one of the countries where the US sent the worst of them under contract to be severely tortured beyond what the US itself would allow.

Dear O dear, what a pratfall.

Here's what your mob thinks of democracy when it doesn't agree with their own socialist agenda...

This will be a familiar scene to Pauline Hanson and David Oldfield.

Enjoy. 

I don't have a mob.

The right to protest is a sign of a free society.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

I don't have a mob.

Of course you do. Let's start with the ABC, the BBC, CNN, SBS, the Resistance mob, the Che Guevara Admiration Society, the Fidel Castro Fan Club ... and numerous others.


Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

The right to protest is a sign of a free society.

Correct!

But this is provided your protest is conducted in a manner that is considerate of others having a democratic right to speak in public and be listened to without undue harassment and interruption.

It's for this reason that it's not a breach of the law for protesters to be man-handled and bodily removed from a meeting hall.

Under any other circumstance such action would be judged a serious assault upon a person's body and liberty, and be subject to prosecution in a court of law. 

Years of news reports have demonstrated very clearly that you Lefties are WAY more intolerant about the right to free speech than are those to the Right of the polity.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 10:57am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 9:44am: I don't have a mob. Of course you do. Let's start with the ABC, the BBC, CNN, SBS, the Resistance mob, the Che Guevara Admiration Society, the Fidel Castro Fan Club ... and numerous others. Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 9:44am: The right to protest is a sign of a free society. Correct! But this is provided your protest is conducted in a manner that is considerate of others having a democratic right to speak in public and be listened to without undue harassment and interruption. It's for this reason that it's not a breach of the law for protesters to be man-handled and bodily removed from a meeting hall. Under any other circumstance such action would be judged a serious assault upon a person's body and liberty, and be subject to prosecution in a court of law.  Years of news reports have demonstrated very clearly that you Lefties are WAY more intolerant about the right to free speech than are those to the Right of the polity.

Easley noticed when the lefties are out for a protest no one is ever out there protesting against them, but when a right wing group hits to the street to protest you will always find a left wing group protesting against the right.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 5:45am:

ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one? SOB

No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 6:36am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:46pm: The centres are concentration camps. Correct. 'Concentration camps' in the correct and original meaning of the word. Not ~ repeat, NOT 'extermination camps'. Before the war, Dachau was used as a concentration camp in the original meaning of the word. Prisoners came and went after doing their time, or being found innocent of the charges against them. Nice try, Peter, but this didn't win you a free holiday to Moscow and Lenin's mausoleum this time.

Pretty sure nobody said extermination camps . . .. .

SOB

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 5:45am: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one? SOB No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 11:23am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 5:45am: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one? SOB No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself. Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps. SOB

From your comments I can tell you know nothing about these detention facilities. These people actually get paid while they are inside, food is provided by world class chefs, recreational facilites of all types are provided. Educational facilites, free movement within the facilites, internet access, etc. etc. the list goes on. Any crimes committed inside are either overlooked or treated extremely leniently. I know from my own personal experience that many of these people would rather stay in these camps indefinitely than go back to thier own country.

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 11:29am: ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 11:23am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 5:45am: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one? SOB No problems. I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself. Thats an interesting comment since you know nothing about me @ all. it so happens that i do know what they are like and they are NOT holiday camps. SOB From your comments I can tell you know nothing about these detention facilities. These people actually get paid while they are inside, food is provided by world class chefs, recreational facilites of all types are provided. Educational facilites, free movement within the facilites, internet access, etc. etc. the list goes on. Any crimes committed inside are either overlooked or treated extremely leniently. I know from my own personal experience that many of these people would rather stay in these camps indefinitely than go back to thier own country.

A gilded cage is still a cage. They are guarded by ppl with guns. They are just privately owned prisons. You have no idea. You cant tell anything of the sort.

SOB

They are not guarded by armed guards and they are nothing like prisons. You are complety ignorant on this subject.

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 12:36pm:

They are not guarded by armed guards and they are nothing like prisons. You are complety ignorant on this subject.

Yes they are. YOU are ignorant on the subject it seems.

SOB

Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on.

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 5:45am: ian wrote on Jun 5th, 2013 at 10:42pm: No, thats pure nonsense. Detention centres in Australia could be more appropriately likened to holiday camps. Oh really? Would you pay money to be locked up in one? [quote author=ian link=1370039846/21#21 date=1370481803]I know what the conditions are, unlike yourself.

So do I.

I was confined to a private English Boarding School for 7 years ... with the cane being a frequent option for maintaining discipline.

Trust me when I say that the Detention Centres are a Butlins Holiday Camp compared to an English boarding school of the 50's.

No government paid for our cigarettes.  8-)

ian wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 1:28pm:

Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on.

So? All of them? Just the ones on the mainland where they are allowed out to the shops etc and need a translator . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 6:05am:

ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on. So? All of them? Just the ones on the mainland where they are allowed out to the shops etc and need a translator . . . . SOB

are you kidding SOB they let them out to go shopping, We dont have a clue who these people are and nether does our Government. The way things are going we will start seeing the same problems as England.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 7:17am:

There has been no back flip. A month ago, in an interview with the Washington Post, Obama declared he still wanted to close Gitmo.

;D ;D ;D

But wild horses are holding him back from doing that ~ right?

And hell no! ~ its not his fault that Gitmo is still in business despite him being into his second term in office.

How naive does he think we are?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 6^th, 2013 at 11:27am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 6:36am: Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:46pm: The centres are concentration camps. Correct. 'Concentration camps' in the correct and original meaning of the word. Not ~ repeat, NOT 'extermination camps'. Before the war, Dachau was used as a concentration camp in the original meaning of the word. Prisoners came and went after doing their time, or being found innocent of the charges against them. Nice try, Peter, but this didn't win you a free holiday to Moscow and Lenin's mausoleum this time.   Pretty sure nobody said extermination camps . . .. . SOB

Most people don't realise there is a vast difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp. The Nazis purposefully continued to refer to their former concentration camps as 'concentration camps' after it was decided they become extermination camps.

It was the British during the Boer War who set up civilian concentration camps in Africa that sadly became extermination camps by virtue of the starvation to death of a great many inmates ~ to the eternal shame of the British reputation.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 6:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 6:05am: ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on. So? All of them? Just the ones on the mainland where they are allowed out to the shops etc and need a translator . . . . SOB are you kidding SOB they let them out to go shopping, We dont have a clue who these people are and nether does our Government. The way things are going we will start seeing the same problems as England.

Precisely.

Due to the incompetence of the idiots who've been running Britain's internal affairs, a massive 74,000 Muslims are wandering the country as 'Missing Persons'.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 6:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 6:05am: ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on. So? All of them? Just the ones on the mainland where they are allowed out to the shops etc and need a translator . . . . SOB are you kidding SOB they let them out to go shopping, We dont have a clue who these people are and nether does our Government. The way things are going we will start seeing the same problems as England.

I dont actually know which ones they are that are allowed out but i expect they have had enough of a security check that they are okay for that. Its women and children mainly.

SOB

It was the Yanks that turned Germany's concentration camps into death camps. though bombing of supply chains that led to starvation of many inmates. And the Gas Chambers are nothing more then post war propaganda to demonise the Germans.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

It was the Yanks that turned Germany's concentration camps into death camps. though bombing of supply chains that led to starvation of many inmates. And the Gas Chambers are nothing more then post war propaganda to demonise the Germans.

BR knows his stuff.

The huge ovens were really only for cooking giant pizzas. These were so popular people travelled from all over Europe for them, often stuffing themselves into freight trains in their desperation.

When they arrived at the pizza camps the queues were so long many people starved to death while waiting.

The most popular pizzas were a combination of sauerkraut and lederhosen. Yummy.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 6:18pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 7th, 2013 at 7:13am: It was the Yanks that turned Germany's concentration camps into death camps. though bombing of supply chains that led to starvation of many inmates. And the Gas Chambers are nothing more then post war propaganda to demonise the Germans. BR knows his stuff. The huge ovens were really only for cooking giant pizzas. These were so popular people travelled from all over Europe for them, often stuffing themselves into freight trains in their desperation. When they arrived at the pizza camps the queues were so long many people starved to death while waiting. The most popular pizzas were a combination of sauerkraut and lederhosen. Yummy.

Its funny you mention the ovens, just how did they burn 6 million bodies? with the ovens they had in those camps they would of still been burning them right up to this day.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 7^th, 2013 at 6:05am:

ian wrote on Jun 6th, 2013 at 1:28pm: Youre a moron. I have only worked in these places as a translator , fool. Now go and sit in the corner with your dunce cap on. So? All of them? Just the ones on the mainland where they are allowed out to the shops etc and need a translator . . . . SOB

No, processing them on Christmas Island and Nauru. Beleive me, these people get everything.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jun 8^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

Its funny you mention the ovens, just how did they burn 6 million bodies? with the ovens they had in those camps they would of still been burning them right up to this day.

They didnt burn 6 million bodies. Thats the estimate of the total number killed. Not all bodies were burned. They had a number of ways of disposing of the bodies, mass graves were a favourite.