Gillard quizzed over big budget items

Date
    March 13, 2013
The Age.
Paul Osborne, AAP Senior Political Writer


The Gillard government is under pressure to explain how it can fund big budget items such as immigration detention and balance the demands of the domestic welfare sector.

The opposition on Wednesday turned its focus in parliament to the cost of offshore processing of asylum seekers, as Prime Minister Julia Gillard declined to speculate on the size of the budget deficit.

Labor also announced a new spending package - a national cultural policy with a $235 million price tag over four years - as it faced welfare sector calls backed by some Labor MPs for higher benefits payments for struggling job seekers and single mums.     ;)

As a Barclays analyst forecast the 2012/13 budget deficit could top $20 billion, Ms Gillard declined to reflect on the implications for next year's books.


"I don't want to disappoint you, but you will see the updated budget in two months' time," she told reporters in Canberra.

During question time, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott quizzed the prime minister over the cost of offshore processing, which budget papers suggest will fall over the next four years as arrivals slow down.

Labor's counting on the cost of one key element - offshore asylum seeker management - to drop from $1.7 billion in 2012/13 to $137 million in 2015/16.

Mr Abbott said the figures weren't credible because more people had arrived by boat in the past nine months than during the entire period of the Howard coalition government.

Ms Gillard said Mr Abbott's "reckless negativity" meant there would be more boat arrivals because he could have eased the pressure by backing the Houston expert panel's reforms last year.     :(

Immigration Minister Brendan O'Connor said the opposition had sensationalised the issue of boat arrivals, saying 98 per cent of people had come through "regular" migration pathways.

He said he was hopeful a meeting in April of nations involved in the Bali process - a regional scheme to tackle people-smuggling - would make progress.

The minister was also questioned on whether transfers to the Manus Island detention facility had been suspended.

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said there had been no transfers since February 9 and Papua New Guinea officials had advised him of an indefinite suspension.

Mr O'Connor said there had been no such suspension and the two governments were still committed to transfers.

Labor backbenchers are also getting behind the Australian Council of Social Service's push for the Newstart unemployment payment for singles to be raised by $50-a-week.     [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

NSW senator Doug Cameron says it can be paid for with the expansion of the mining tax, a Medicare style levy and a crackdown on the tax treatment of trust funds.

"That's a debate that Labor people should be having," Senator Cameron said.

Arts Minister Simon Crean said a new national cultural policy would be paid for by savings in government departments.

© 2013 AAP

Ms Gillard said Mr Abbott's "reckless negativity" meant there would be more boat arrivals because he could have eased the pressure by backing the Houston expert panel's reforms last year.     :(

What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. It was a non-issue for everyone except the bleeding-heart brigade. In came Rudd and his "compassionate" solution for a problem that ceased to exist long ago and he completely stuffed it up. Since then, more than 30,000 people have arrived and more than 1,000 have perished at sea thanks to Rudd's "compassionate" solution. Labor could and should have fixed this mess years ago by reinstating the Pacific Solution. Instead, Gillard has had more positions on this issue than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes has ever been in and the people smugglers know this government isn't serious or even competent enough to stop them. Labor made this mess, so it's time Gillard stopped blaming others for her and her party's own incompetence.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved .

Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru?

you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused!

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved . Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru? you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused!

This topic and my post was concerning boat arrivals and people smuggling, not those who arrive via Sydney Airport, halfwit! ::) ::) ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:32pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved . Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru? you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused! This topic and my post was concerning boat arrivals and people smuggling, not those who arrive via Sydney Airport, halfwit! ::) ::) ::)

so easy to get confused when you wrongly call them illegal immigrants . .... they aren't illegal dipsh it.

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:37pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:32pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved . Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru? you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused! This topic and my post was concerning boat arrivals and people smuggling, not those who arrive via Sydney Airport, halfwit! ::) ::) ::) so easy to get confused when you wrongly call them illegal immigrants . .... they aren't illegal dipsh it.

Ouch! Rush me to the burns unit!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Gillard is unpopular - Abbott's fault

More illegal boats - Abbott's fault

Carbon Tax - Abbott's fault

Gillard's red hair - Abbott's fault

AWU slush fund - Abbott's fault

Thomo - Abbott's fault

Ashby - Abbott's fault

State Labor election losses - Abbott's fault

Global Warming - Abbott's fault

death of Christ - Abbott's fault

Farmer Wants a Wife - Abbott's fault

Cronulla injecting drugs - Abbott's fault

5 consecutive record Labor deficits - Abbott's fault

4 Aust cricketers banned in India - Abbott's fault

Maqqa wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Gillard is unpopular - Abbott's fault More illegal boats - Abbott's fault Carbon Tax - Abbott's fault Gillard's red hair - Abbott's fault AWU slush fund - Abbott's fault Thomo - Abbott's fault Ashby - Abbott's fault State Labor election losses - Abbott's fault Global Warming - Abbott's fault death of Christ - Abbott's fault Farmer Wants a Wife - Abbott's fault Cronulla injecting drugs - Abbott's fault 5 consecutive record Labor deficits - Abbott's fault 4 Aust cricketers banned in India - Abbott's fault

Gillard loses September election, ALP massacred - definitely Abbott's fault!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Tim Matheson can't go to an AFL game without that pesky Abbott there.

Abbotts fault.

So labor are back to the Abbott relentless negativity angle. Oh how convenient that we had some labor hecklers in the gallery just yesterday to kick this off with "you created this culture" (of negativity)

Too transparent.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

So labor are back to the Abbott relentless negativity angle. Oh how convenient that we had some labor hecklers in the gallery just yesterday to kick this off with "you created this culture" (of negativity) Too transparent.

This is just another angle to their "Dr No" attack

Dr No didn't work because Abbott voted without division 87% of the time

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved . Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru? you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused!

Thats a fair statement JS.. 

As for MQ's post??

Hogswill....!!

I think what John Smith is trying to say is that because some people overstay their visa we should let tens of thousands of boat people scammers lob here to retire on centrelink benefits for life, might not make sense to most people but it sure makes sense to John  ;)

you really are an innocuous bystard
...an ineffectual voice..   ::)

essentially a brain-dead parrot...  wot.? 
.nothing wrong w'it..  just quiet.. .

no that is a dead parrot..
no no  hehehe 
 its just sleeping...see?

What??  you imbecile.. it isn't sleeping >:(   ...  not taking forty f'n winks !!   >:(
  it is DEAD.. it is   A DEAD parrot...!!!

Nah   nah  it'll come good...  trust me.... 

;D ;D ;D ;D

During the Pacific Solution, arrivals were counted in the hundreds or less per year. Under the ALP, arrivals are counted in the tens of thousands per year. If ever there was a perfect example of a government changing a policy and making things far, far worse this is it. Labor screwed up big time and is absolutely desperate to shift the blame elsewhere. Pity for them that tactic is as much a failure as their policy change.

Emma wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 2:45am:

you really are an innocuous bystard ...an ineffectual voice..   ::) essentially a brain-dead parrot...  wot.?  .nothing wrong w'it..  just quiet.. . no that is a dead parrot.. no no  hehehe   its just sleeping...see? What??  you imbecile.. it isn't sleeping >:(   ...  not taking forty f'n winks !!   >:(   it is DEAD.. it is   A DEAD parrot...!!! Nah   nah  it'll come good...  trust me....  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thank you, Mrs Peel...explains a lot.

John Smith wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved . At least Indian over-stayers aren't fed or accommodated , they manage to survive out of their own pockets and, as they pay GST for purchases, contribute to the tax collected. Really? Howard found a way to stop all those Indian tourists from overstaying their visa's? Did he send them all to nauru? you're an idiot progs, sorry, armpit ... so many idiots on here it's easy to get confused!

At least Indian over-stayers aren't fed or accommodated , they manage to survive out of their own pockets and, as they pay GST for purchases, contribute to the tax collected.

Please count your blessings, leftard!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. .

Whether or not people agree that Labor broke the situation I doubt that you would agree that it has been Abbott and the Liberals trying their best to ensure that it does not get fixed.

In reality they are both as bad as each other on this topic.

The Pacitic non solution was a disgrace and what Labor are doing is no better.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 7:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. . Whether or not people agree that Labor broke the situation I doubt that you would agree that it has been Abbott and the Liberals trying their best to ensure that it does not get fixed. In reality they are both as bad as each other on this topic. The Pacitic non solution was a disgrace and what Labor are doing is no better.

And the high courts.

And no, what labor are doing is worse. They can the pacific solution that worked and was working. Calling it lik you foolishly. Then bring in something worse. They are dead set dumb and the worst option for Australia and hopefully never get elected again until they can prove they arent just a bunch of dumb arse ex unionists.

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 2:14am:

I think what John Smith is trying to say is that because some people overstay their visa we should let tens of thousands of boat people scammers lob here to retire on centrelink benefits for life, might not make sense to most people but it sure makes sense to John  ;)

not what I am saying at all ... but those people overstaying the visa's are the only illegals I can think off .... who else could armpit be referring to? It cannot be asylum seekers as they aren't illegal .That fact has been explained to him several times so he is aware of it ... do you know who else he could mean IB?

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 7:55am:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. . Whether or not people agree that Labor broke the situation I doubt that you would agree that it has been Abbott and the Liberals trying their best to ensure that it does not get fixed. In reality they are both as bad as each other on this topic. The Pacitic non solution was a disgrace and what Labor are doing is no better. And the high courts. And no, what labor are doing is worse. They can the pacific solution that worked and was working. Calling it lik you foolishly. Then bring in something worse. They are dead set dumb and the worst option for Australia and hopefully never get elected again until they can prove they arent just a bunch of dumb arse ex unionists.

Legislation could have been passed that would have made it legal... the high court wasn't an impediment, they were only a diversion ,  the libs were the real impediment.

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:01am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:55am: Dnarever wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. . Whether or not people agree that Labor broke the situation I doubt that you would agree that it has been Abbott and the Liberals trying their best to ensure that it does not get fixed. In reality they are both as bad as each other on this topic. The Pacitic non solution was a disgrace and what Labor are doing is no better. And the high courts. And no, what labor are doing is worse. They can the pacific solution that worked and was working. Calling it lik you foolishly. Then bring in something worse. They are dead set dumb and the worst option for Australia and hopefully never get elected again until they can prove they arent just a bunch of dumb arse ex unionists. Legislation could have been passed that would have made it legal... the high court wasn't an impediment, they were only a diversion ,  the libs were the real impediment.

labor are in government and in bed with their comrads the greens and in bed with 3 dummy independents. They dont need the liberals.

So it was the greens who keep blocking labor.

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 8:03am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 8:01am: progressiveslol wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:55am: Dnarever wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:48am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. . Whether or not people agree that Labor broke the situation I doubt that you would agree that it has been Abbott and the Liberals trying their best to ensure that it does not get fixed. In reality they are both as bad as each other on this topic. The Pacitic non solution was a disgrace and what Labor are doing is no better. And the high courts. And no, what labor are doing is worse. They can the pacific solution that worked and was working. Calling it lik you foolishly. Then bring in something worse. They are dead set dumb and the worst option for Australia and hopefully never get elected again until they can prove they arent just a bunch of dumb arse ex unionists. Legislation could have been passed that would have made it legal... the high court wasn't an impediment, they were only a diversion ,  the libs were the real impediment. labor are in government and in bed with their comrads the greens and in bed with 3 dummy independents. They dont need the liberals. So it was the greens who keep blocking labor.

since it is a hung parliament you are wrong  ... no surprise there ...

they need either libs or greens to support them .. since the greens have always been against of shore processing they were never going to support any changes .. the libs, who would need to pass the same legislation anyway to fully enact their proposals, should have supported them but decided they didn't want the issue to go away. The fact that labor and greens formed a minority govt. does not automatically mean each have to support all of the others policies, and this is one area the greens have always been consistent with ...

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

and this is one area the greens have always been consistent with ...

And taxing people like me out of house and home.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:10am: and this is one area the greens have always been consistent with ... And taxing people like me out of house and home.

you've said that you don't pay taxes dopey .... now run away and bitch about the mexicans on some yankee forum ... leave Australia to those that care about her.

You and I are the as Australian as each other.

Fact.

You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month.
I bet thats more than you.

Yes even the HIGH income erners, have to pay their fair share of tax.     :)

Which I then got 90% of it back....

:)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

You and I are the as Australian as each other. Fact. You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month. I bet thats more than you.

ohh, nicely done ... and what did you get back dopey? $4000 ... why do you feel the need to try and mislead?

also, I've poiunted out to you that you and I are no where near as Australian as each other ... you are not Australian, you just got lucky that your parents happened to be here when you were born .. a few years more or less you would have been born elsewhere .. I would never betray Australia the way you do

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:21am:

Which I then got 90% of it back....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

I bet thats more than you.

not even close traitor ... I paid more last week than you paid all year, so don't go whinging to me about how much tax you paid ...

.

You paid more than $60k in tax last month did you?

Nice.

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

also, I've poiunted out to you that you and I are no where near as Australian as each other ... you are not Australian, you just got lucky that your parents happened to be here when you were born ..

Ummmm, isn't that how near on every Australian becomes one?
By being born in Australia to parents who live in Australia?

I am not talking here about the boat people riff-raff.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

You paid more than $60k in tax last month did you? Nice.

and you claim to be some sort of finance or economic wiz kid !!!  hahaha

$4500 - 90% = $450 per month x 12 months = $5400 in tax per annum



a slight difference from $5400 to 60K don't you think traitor?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:33am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:29am: also, I've poiunted out to you that you and I are no where near as Australian as each other ... you are not Australian, you just got lucky that your parents happened to be here when you were born .. Ummmm, isn't that how near on every Australian becomes one? By being born in Australia to parents who live in Australia? I am not talking here about the boat people riff-raff.

not even close ... most people come here because they want to live in the best country in the world ... your parents came here for a job and left once they got fired ... hardly the same thing.

I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months.

I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax.

You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax?

To quote my uncle (who lives in the UAE)

"I find those idiots who say 'this is the best country in the world' have never experienced living anywhere fking else."

He was referring to idiot cousins on mine in England but the principle is the same.

I happen to find many countries many things.

For overall lifestyle for me, the United States is the best on average.
It has some social issues sure, but they don't affect me.

Australia, as nice as it is, is far too expensive, too highly taxed, too socialist in its mindset on education and welfare and the people are just a bit insular for my liking.
Nonetheless though it is the country of my birth and I do consider myself an Australian, even though the passport is expired.
I did promise Immigration next time I'll have it re-newed before I arrive again.

So don't give me this "orrrrrrrstraaaaaaya is the best place in the world" bollocks.

Yes its terrible, the HIGH income earners, pay their share of tax.  Lets get out the violin.     :'(   

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:41am:

To quote my uncle (who lives in the UAE) "I find those idiots who say 'this is the best country in the world' have never experienced living anywhere fking else." He was referring to idiot cousins on mine in England but the principle is the same. I happen to find many countries many things. For overall lifestyle for me, the United States is the best on average. It has some social issues sure, but they don't affect me. Australia, as nice as it is, is far too expensive, too highly taxed, too socialist in its mindset on education and welfare and the people are just a bit insular for my liking. Nonetheless though it is the country of my birth and I do consider myself an Australian, even though the passport is expired. I did promise Immigration next time I'll have it re-newed before I arrive again. So don't give me this "orrrrrrrstraaaaaaya is the best place in the world" bollocks.

but it is ... not that I'm going to try to convince you ... Australia doesn't need crap like you coming here ... much better some asylum seeker who can appreciate it.

of course when money is your number one priority, even Uzbekistan is the best place if they happen to be paying more ....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months. I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax. You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax?

ohh, changing your statement now are you????

I used YOUR figures , not mine, I didn't pull any numbers out of a hat and I'm not psychic .. don't try to change it now just because you look like an idiot.

Australia is very nice.

I don't happen to think it is the best place in the world for the various things I mention - it is extortionately expensive to live there.

However - what is not in dispute - is that I am an Australian and I have every right to criticise it for wanting it to be better than it is.
That is not the act of a traitor.

Even my current passport (GBR) says "Place of Birth - Melbourne, Australia"

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:46am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:38am: I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months. I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax. You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax? ohh, changing your statement now are you???? I used YOUR figures , not mine, I didn't pull any numbers out of a hat and I'm not psychic .. don't try to change it now just because you look like an idiot.

They are not my figures, they are the correct ones.
Up to June 30, I paid over $60,000 in tax per annum for the years I was there.
This ignore tax adjustments which occur post the tax year and treated separately with the lodgements of my Trust company and holding entity.

Ladies and gentlemen, we will have a short break.  Then we will be back with some more violin music.     :'(      

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:47am:

Australia is very nice. I don't happen to think it is the best place in the world for the various things I mention - it is extortionately expensive to live there. However - what is not in dispute - is that I am an Australian and I have every right to criticise it for wanting it to be better than it is. That is not the act of a traitor. Even my current passport (GBR) says "Place of Birth - Melbourne, Australia"

So? I have a nephew that was born in Norway, but he is not a Norweign citizen ... he is Australian, he has an Aussie passport  ... the fact that you were born in  Australia does not make you Australian ...

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:46am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:38am: I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months. I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax. You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax? ohh, changing your statement now are you???? I used YOUR figures , not mine, I didn't pull any numbers out of a hat and I'm not psychic .. don't try to change it now just because you look like an idiot. They are not my figures, they are the correct ones. Up to June 30, I paid over $60,000 in tax per annum for the years I was there. This ignore tax adjustments which occur post the tax year and treated separately with the lodgements of my Trust company and holding entity.

they are figures that you gave ... I do not make up figures about peoples taxes just out of boredom .. if you left out relevant information then it is your fault and you shouldn't have tried to use it as an example.

wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:52am:

Ladies and gentlemen, we will have a short break.  Then we will be back with some more violin music.     :'(

phone call .... ocassionally work makes demands upon me ...annoying

The fact I am an Australian citizen makes me an Australian citizen.

This isn't subjective, its a statement of fact.

My 3 cousins born in Dubai are not Arab citizens.
The fact that they are not allowed makes them not one.

I am not sure your point here.

I am an Australian, it's just fact.

John Smith wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:49am: John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:46am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:38am: I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months. I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax. You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax? ohh, changing your statement now are you???? I used YOUR figures , not mine, I didn't pull any numbers out of a hat and I'm not psychic .. don't try to change it now just because you look like an idiot. They are not my figures, they are the correct ones. Up to June 30, I paid over $60,000 in tax per annum for the years I was there. This ignore tax adjustments which occur post the tax year and treated separately with the lodgements of my Trust company and holding entity. they are figures that you gave ... I do not make up figures about peoples taxes just out of boredom .. if you left out relevant information then it is your fault and you shouldn't have tried to use it as an example.

$4,500 per month + additional tax on bonus equated to about $66,000 in tax paid.

Now admittedly, using Double Taxation Offset relief and Channel Islands lodgement of the Trust arm chosen to pay me brought that down to a 9% liability but my point is still valid.

The PAYE I paid before any adjustments was over $65,000.
Fact.

I paid my way through the year.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 11:01am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:58am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:49am: John Smith wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:46am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:38am: I am talking about the PAYE for the 12 months. I paid $65k up front, including bonus tax. You paid more than that last week did you in personal income tax? ohh, changing your statement now are you???? I used YOUR figures , not mine, I didn't pull any numbers out of a hat and I'm not psychic .. don't try to change it now just because you look like an idiot. They are not my figures, they are the correct ones. Up to June 30, I paid over $60,000 in tax per annum for the years I was there. This ignore tax adjustments which occur post the tax year and treated separately with the lodgements of my Trust company and holding entity. they are figures that you gave ... I do not make up figures about peoples taxes just out of boredom .. if you left out relevant information then it is your fault and you shouldn't have tried to use it as an example. $4,500 per month + additional tax on bonus equated to about $66,000 in tax paid. Now admittedly, using Double Taxation Offset relief and Channel Islands lodgement of the Trust arm chosen to pay me brought that down to a 9% liability but my point is still valid. The PAYE I paid before any adjustments was over $65,000. Fact. I paid my way through the year.

no your point is not still valid ... you cannot claim you paid $66 000 in tax and then say you only ended up with a 9% liability

you are deliberately trying to mislead

Technically I did.

The PAYE I paid was $65k.

The Trust Holding entity in Guernsey was a separate lodgement and had a net tax position in Australia of -$54k.

They are 2 different returns.

Overall the bank outlay was $11k which was 5.8% but the tax of me as a person was $65k.
Boom.
Lesson ended.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. It was a non-issue for everyone except the bleeding-heart brigade. In came Rudd and his "compassionate" solution for a problem that ceased to exist long ago and he completely stuffed it up. Since then, more than 30,000 people have arrived and more than 1,000 have perished at sea thanks to Rudd's "compassionate" solution. Labor could and should have fixed this mess years ago by reinstating the Pacific Solution. Instead, Gillard has had more positions on this issue than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes has ever been in and the people smugglers know this government isn't serious or even competent enough to stop them. Labor made this mess, so it's time Gillard stopped blaming others for her and her party's own incompetence.

bump

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 10:16am:

You and I are the as Australian as each other. Fact. You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month. I bet thats more than you.

You got 90% of it back.

i.e. you payed your fair share of tax and then claimed 90% of it back.

In the end you probably payed about as much tax then the average unemployed person or not much more.

If you buy a $20 item but pay the guy $100 and get $80 change do you say it cost you $100 too?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:09pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. It was a non-issue for everyone except the bleeding-heart brigade. In came Rudd and his "compassionate" solution for a problem that ceased to exist long ago and he completely stuffed it up. Since then, more than 30,000 people have arrived and more than 1,000 have perished at sea thanks to Rudd's "compassionate" solution. Labor could and should have fixed this mess years ago by reinstating the Pacific Solution. Instead, Gillard has had more positions on this issue than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes has ever been in and the people smugglers know this government isn't serious or even competent enough to stop them. Labor made this mess, so it's time Gillard stopped blaming others for her and her party's own incompetence. bump

That has nothing to do with the fact that Abbott and the Liberals have been preventing any fix for the situation since that time - 2009 2010 2011 2012 and 2013 the Liberals have been ensuring that as many boats as possible arrive. The only plan they could agree with was Nauru and it has been a failure.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:16am: You and I are the as Australian as each other. Fact. You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month. I bet thats more than you. You got 90% of it back. i.e. you payed your fair share of tax and then claimed 90% of it back. In the end you probably payed about as much tax then the average unemployed person or not much more. If you buy a $20 item but pay the guy $100 and get $80 change do you say it cost you $100 too?

The holding company that employed me got refunded.
I as a person paid tax.

Two separate entities.

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:41pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 12:09pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 7:29pm: What our incompetent PM conveniently left out was the undeniable fact that prior to Rudd becoming PM, the problem of illegal immigrants had been solved via the Pacific Solution. It was a non-issue for everyone except the bleeding-heart brigade. In came Rudd and his "compassionate" solution for a problem that ceased to exist long ago and he completely stuffed it up. Since then, more than 30,000 people have arrived and more than 1,000 have perished at sea thanks to Rudd's "compassionate" solution. Labor could and should have fixed this mess years ago by reinstating the Pacific Solution. Instead, Gillard has had more positions on this issue than one of Craig Thomson's prostitutes has ever been in and the people smugglers know this government isn't serious or even competent enough to stop them. Labor made this mess, so it's time Gillard stopped blaming others for her and her party's own incompetence. bump That has nothing to do with the fact that Abbott and the Liberals have been preventing any fix for the situation since that time - 2009 2010 2011 2012 and 2013 the Liberals have been ensuring that as many boats as possible arrive. The only plan they could agree with was Nauru and it has been a failure.

Your comments have nothing to do about any reality.

There was no policy put to parliament for liberals to block.

It was labor who have not had the balls to bring anything forward, so labor are as usual, failures.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 12:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 12:37pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 10:16am: You and I are the as Australian as each other. Fact. You'll find before my tax return I paid $4,500 tax per month. I bet thats more than you. You got 90% of it back. i.e. you payed your fair share of tax and then claimed 90% of it back. In the end you probably payed about as much tax then the average unemployed person or not much more. If you buy a $20 item but pay the guy $100 and get $80 change do you say it cost you $100 too? The holding company that employed me got refunded. I as a person paid tax. Two separate entities.

Sounds more like a rort.

I had reason to go to Strathfield not long ago, I was walking down the street of the main shopping centre when I saw this line of people in the street, pretty much all middle eastern with a sprinkling of Chinese.

I thought, "what's going on are they giving away money in that building?"

Then I looked up and saw it was Centrelink and yes, they were giving money -ours A TRUE STORY

red baron wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

I had reason to go to Strathfield not long ago, I was walking down the street of the main shopping centre when I saw this line of people in the street, pretty much all middle eastern with a sprinkling of Chinese. I thought, "what's going on are they giving away money in that building?" Then I looked up and saw it was Centrelink and yes, they were giving money -ours A TRUE STORY

I remember being outside the centrelink office in Dapto one day ... there was a queue running halfway down the road ... all of them Aussies ... true story

is there a point Red?

You were most probably in the queue at Dapto John.

My point is this, most of those boat arrivals end up in queues just like the one I described with their hand out for money. Why do you think Labor has racked up 145 billion dollars in debt?

red baron wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

You were most probably in the queue at Dapto John.

How dare you? How dare you? blah blah blah ..(just replace blah blah with your little hissy fit that you had yesterday)

Actually I was painting the building next door.

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red baron wrote on Mar 14^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

[tt]I had reason to go to Strathfield not long ago, I was walking down the street of the main shopping centre when I saw this line of people in the street, pretty much all middle eastern with a sprinkling of Chinese.

Mmmm, Chinese sprinkles.

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