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Title: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by thelastnail on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:09am
What is the Irish gnome going to do now ?
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Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by The Heartless Felon on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:26am I've flown with China Eastern, China Western, Chna Southern and Qantas: I wont be flying with Qantas again. |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:38am
Remind me Lastnail, were you a fan of carbon pollution reduction or not?
CHINA ORDERS ITS AIRLINES TO IGNORE CARBON TAX PENALTIES China's biggest airlines will not pay a new European Union tax aimed at cutting carbon emissions, their trade body has said. On 1 January, the EU brought airlines under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS), which levies a charge on flights based on their carbon emissions. Chai Haibo of the China Air Transport Association said that its members would not co-operate with the ETS. However, the EU said it would not back down on the issue. The China Air Transport Association (CATA) represents companies including Air China, China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines and Hainan Airlines. Airlines which do not comply with the new EU tax can be fined and even prohibited from flying into the region. Last year, it was claimed the plan could cost Chinese airlines 95m euros ($124m, £79m) in extra annual costs. "The CATA, on behalf of Chinese airlines, is strongly against the EU's improper practice of unilaterally forcing international airlines into its ETS," Mr Chai said on Thursday. However, Isaac Valero-Ladron, EU spokesman for climate action, said: "We're not modifying our law and we're not backing down. "We're confident that companies will comply. The penalties for non-compliance are much higher (than complying)." The EU estimates the costs of air fares will rise by between 2 and 12 euros per passenger to pay for the tax. The scheme is being implemented on a gradual basis, with 85% of carbon allowances handed out to airlines for free this year. Bills for 2012 flights not covered by the allowances would be calculated and imposed in 2013. Retaliation Kelvin Lau, a Hong Kong-based airlines analyst at Daiwa Securities, said: "Maybe it's just a political gesture for Chinese airlines to say they won't pay - showing that China strongly opposes the rule. "But it may not work as this is a law with legislative power and the EU would not easily let go." Speaking to the BBC, Tony Tyler, director general of the International Air Transport Association (IATA), said: "The money being raised through this measure, along with all the money being raised by other taxes that are imposed on the industry in the name of the environment, none of it gets spent on anything that's going to reduce emissions." China has warned that it may implement retaliatory measures against the levy. The tax has been criticised by China, India, the US and Canada. In December, the US lost its attempt to have the issue of the new airline tax blocked by the European Court of Justice. The US had argued that its carriers were set to lose out heavily, and that the charges violate climate change and aviation pacts |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by thelastnail on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:44am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:38am:
This from someone who continually boasts about driving a 6.3 liter V8 gas guzzler :( |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:51pm The Heartless Felon wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:26am:
Did you feel like flying again 30 minutes later? |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by corporate_whitey on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:55pm
God has rejected Australia, Australia will be erased from history, QANTAS must fall, China is rizing - God is blessing China and Persia.... :)
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Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:56pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2013 at 12:51pm:
Having personally flown China Eastern to London (being a tight-arse and couldn't get on the QF flight with my points) - I can say it "does what it says on the tin". It got me to London (by way of China). However I was on travelling on my own, wanted a cheap fare and didn't give too much of a toss for how I got there. I would not travel this route with my family or with this airline. If you are a fella like me, on your own and don't need pampering or want to pay a lot then its for you. But you know you've gone cheap when you get off the other side. |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by pansi1951 on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:19am Qantas can't compete with the Asian airline companies. I notice even Emirates are giving them a run for their money. Air Asia are amazingly cheap. I'm giving them a go in a couple of weeks time. Kuala Lumpur to Penang $12....ha! it costs $15 to go from Brisbane city to the airport by train....no wonder tourists are staying away from Australia. Kuala Lumpur to Bangkok $26.....too sweet. I don't mind using the cheaper carriers, then spending the difference on a longer holiday. Eight hours, can't be all that bad and they have pretty good reviews overall. Yes! you can choose to pay a little extra to offset your carbon footprint. I do because I care about the future generations that will have good reason to remember us as the "selfish" generation. The rise of Asia :) and the downfall of the West :'( |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by red baron on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:24am
Would you get on a China airlines flight? I wouldn't!
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Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by pansi1951 on Mar 15th, 2013 at 6:06am red baron wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:24am:
Not sure, probably not yet. China are advancing faster than any nation in history, so they will improve dramatically over a short period of time, in comparison to western development. I'd have to look into it and see how many disasters they've had in the past few years, and that's depending if the true figures have been released. Knowing China, perhaps they keep air tragedies secret, not sure how though. Anyway, I'm with Air Asia (Malaysia) which are much, much, much cheaper than their competitors.......book early though, seats go fast! |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by The Heartless Felon on Mar 15th, 2013 at 7:13am red baron wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:24am:
Why not? |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by longweekend58 on Mar 15th, 2013 at 9:07am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 15th, 2013 at 6:06am:
thats because they are a century behind the west in much of the country. Plus, they arent 'advancing' really. They just steal and copy western technology whichisnt that hard. Advancement is where you LEAD the pack. not copy from them |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:16pm
I was very very impressed by China this year.
Very impressed indeed. The country is run very well. |
Title: Re: China Airlines undercuts Qantas Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 15th, 2013 at 12:25pm
qantas competing against china.
sell your qantas shares |
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