I predict that LABOR will lose the next Federal Election because of these two leading issues.

The Carbon Tax  is an invasive tax which has cost the whole Nation plenty and achieved nothing. The average working person does not want to hear the same tired old arguments, over how it reduces Carbon pollution the average punter thinks that is a crock.

I totally agree. Whilst I applaud Governments for reducing carbon emissions this intrusive tax, is not the way to do it and only causes our country to be uncompetitive and without any real impact on carbon emmissions here.

The Carbon Tax is a big fat balloon that the Liberals will quickly put a needle in. And deservedly so.

The other main one, are the boats up north that continue and continue to arrive uninvited to our shores. If other peoples want to emigrate here, apply to an Australian Embassy and get in the queue just like countless thousands of migrants have had to do.

Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this.

And further, they will tell Labor so come September.

$250B debt + 5 record deficits with one more looming in 3 months

LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People

So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked?

There is no honest reason?

Quote:

Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this.

So am I. I've been convinced for a long time.

Pity we'll never be able to have a referendum on the subject.

An election will be the next best thing.

True, but the main issue is trust. JuLiar killed off a first term, demokratically elected PM.

And the Labor brand is completely on the nose - in NSW, anyway. Craig Thomson, Eddie Obeid, the whole greasy lot of them.

Surely people aren't stupid enough to believe Tony Abbott will single-handedly stop the boats, fix the budget or even axe the tax. They're merely voting for him because he's not Labor and he's just saying he'll do all these things.

No one's really warming to Abbott, but I predict he'll get an easy ride on boat-stopping and the budget. He'll come in, blame it all on Labor, and continue promising, spending and taking in refugees as normal.

All Abbott has to do is appear to be trustworthy. If I was him I'd be promising as little as possible and keeping mum - which is pretty-much what he's doing anyway. That, and let the rest of the attack-dogs do the dog-whistling about behaviour protocols and all the rest - none of it to be implemented as policy.

None of it - direct action, the Pacific Solution, running a surplus - how can they? They're not workable solutions, and they contradict each other. Direct action is too expensive, there's no cost-cutting plan, and the Pacific Solution is dead in the water.

The people will vote for Abbott merely for saying these things, but he won't be doing any of them. Abbott will continue to blame Labor for most of his first term, just as he's done in opposition. At some point, he'll need to find his groove. No one knows what that will be - especially Abbott.

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

I predict that LABOR will lose the next Federal Election because of these two leading issues. The Carbon Tax  is an invasive tax which has cost thewhole Nation plenty and achieved nothing. The average working person does not want to hear the same tired old arguments, over how it reduces Carbon pollution the average punter thinks that is a crock. I totally agree. Whilst I applaud Governments for reducing carbon emissions this intrusive tax, is not the way to do it and only causes our country to be uncompetitive and without any real impact on carbon emmissions here. The Carbon Tax is a big fat balloon that the Liberals will quickly put a needle in. And deservedly so. The other main one, are the boats up north that continue and continue to arrive uninvited to our shores. If other peoples want to emigrate here, apply to an Australian Embassy and get in the queue just like countless thousands of migrants have had to do. Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this. And further, they will tell Labor so come September.

Can you elaborate on the highlighted parts? Perhaps provide some examples, REAL EXAMPLES, of how it has cost the whole nation plenty and achieved nothign? And how all our companies are now uncompentitive?

Otherwise, stop spewing crap.

The carbon tax is in the nature of a large anchor, the lines of which are tied firmly round the ankles of Julia Gillard.
The issue of boat people is not simply to do with them coming but more to do with where they are coming from.
We assimilated thousands of Vietnamese boat people without any of this aggro. The issue now is inescapably that the vast majority are opposed to middle eastern immigration and the fact that some of it is illegal makes it a convenient hook to hang the anti-Labor hat on.

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

The carbon tax is in the nature of a large anchor, the lines of which are tied firmly round the ankles of Julia Gillard. The issue of boat people is not simply to do with them coming but more to do with where they are coming from. We assimilated thousands of Vietnamese boat people without any of this aggro. The issue now is inescapably that the vast majority are opposed to middle eastern immigration and the fact that some of it is illegal makes it a convenient hook to hang the anti-Labor hat on.

Ah, how one forgets so quickly. It was the same xenophobic racist bigots screaming the same nonsense back then as they are now about the new wave of "different" people. ;D It's always been the same xenophobic racist bigots, and these bigots have ALWAYS Been proven wrong.  And then they pretend that they've never had concerns before only to move on to the next group of people to hate on.

You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal.

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:36pm:

You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal.

That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots. 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.

you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 2:13pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.  you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately.

Once again demonstrating your lack of debating skills I see.  Read what Hadrian wrote.  Then read my reply. Then try again.

Oh and ps, the fact we are signatories to the refugee conventions provides any asylum seeker, on whatever mode of travel, our collective permission.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 2:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:13pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.  you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately. Once again demonstrating your lack of debating skills I see.  Read what Hadrian wrote.  Then read my reply. Then try again. Oh and ps, the fact we are signatories to the refugee conventions provides any asylum seeker, on whatever mode of travel, our collective permission.

that is a simplistic understanding of our obligations and cacpacity. there is a very big difference between asylum and refugee. and as has already bene established, an awful lot of them are country shoppers, having already passed thru a number of countries to reach us. This is not a simple question. My point remains that if you want to find what australian voters believe then you have to ask the right questions.

Do you people seriously think that we will have less asylum seekers in the world after Abbott comes to power..Crikey they are saying the refugees coming out of Syria will more than double to 2 million before to long..tell me how Abbott is going to stop that?
Or do you think they can all sit in camps in Jordon forever?
And thats even before the mass exodus of reffos begin streaming out of Afghanistan the minute the west pulls out.
Im interested to know what plans Tony has to fix the worlds refugee problem and the millions of asylum seekers washing around the globe looking for sanctuary.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:13pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.  you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately. Once again demonstrating your lack of debating skills I see.  Read what Hadrian wrote.  Then read my reply. Then try again. Oh and ps, the fact we are signatories to the refugee conventions provides any asylum seeker, on whatever mode of travel, our collective permission. that is a simplistic understanding of our obligations and cacpacity. there is a very big difference between asylum and refugee. and as has already bene established, an awful lot of them are country shoppers, having already passed thru a number of countries to reach us. This is not a simple question. My point remains that if you want to find what australian voters believe then you have to ask the right questions.

You are as naive on this issue as dummy maqqa.  Country shoppers, no.  Seeking asylum, perfectly legal and within refugee convention.
And the convention provides a very simplistic view on our obligations.  It's the political narrative that seeks to complicate it.

Go educate yourself if you want to have a serious discussion.

The boat people are very environmentally conscious and the only reason they are fleeing to Australia is because we have a carbon tax, once the carbon tax is repealed the boats will stop  ;)

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason?

so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in???????

or does the media LIE no matter whos in power???

you seem to tell us that the media has no left it its all right leaning./.

can you explain then the POWER of GETUP CRIKEY all the webs that wiseone brings up... [Independent] and there are many...



so far I only see newpapers C&P on here from righties...but lefties are all over the place...yet you claim the media is all biased towards the right..



you looking for HONEST REASONS...LOL>.



how about the surplus that never was...or debt that IS..


oops no excuses now...

look sorry I asked I know what the come back is...

I see a glass factory has now closed over 100 jobs gone.. claims its the cost of power and the dollar....he said manufacturing is very very hard in this country.

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00pm: LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason? so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in??????? or does the media LIE no matter whos in power??? you seem to tell us that the media has no left it its all right leaning./. can you explain then the POWER of GETUP CRIKEY all the webs that wiseone brings up... [Independent] and there are many... so far I only see newpapers C&P on here from righties...but lefties are all over the place...yet you claim the media is all biased towards the right.. you looking for HONEST REASONS...LOL>. how about the surplus that never was...or debt that IS.. oops no excuses now... look sorry I asked I know what the come back is... I see a glass factory has now closed over 100 jobs gone.. claims its the cost of power and the dollar....he said manufacturing is very very hard in this country.

If you honestly can't distinguish bias within Murdoch media and fairfax media then you are more delusional than I had ever thought.

adelcrow wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:05pm:

Do you people seriously think that we will have less asylum seekers in the world after Abbott comes to power..Crikey they are saying the refugees coming out of Syria will more than double to 2 million before to long..tell me how Abbott is going to stop that? Or do you think they can all sit in camps in Jordon forever? And thats even before the mass exodus of reffos begin streaming out of Afghanistan the minute the west pulls out. Im interested to know what plans Tony has to fix the worlds refugee problem and the millions of asylum seekers washing around the globe looking for sanctuary.

Abbott said he would raise the intake to 20.000pa... from the front door..


I am happy with that if they come in the front door and we can accommodate them then thats fine with me...we have many processors overseas to deal with this... yet those that choose to gratecrash seem to get special service...

that isnt right.

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm: Do you people seriously think that we will have less asylum seekers in the world after Abbott comes to power..Crikey they are saying the refugees coming out of Syria will more than double to 2 million before to long..tell me how Abbott is going to stop that? Or do you think they can all sit in camps in Jordon forever? And thats even before the mass exodus of reffos begin streaming out of Afghanistan the minute the west pulls out. Im interested to know what plans Tony has to fix the worlds refugee problem and the millions of asylum seekers washing around the globe looking for sanctuary. Abbott said he would raise the intake to 20.000pa... from the front door.. I am happy with that if they come in the front door and we can accommodate them then thats fine with me...we have many processors overseas to deal with this... yet those that choose to gratecrash seem to get special service... that isnt right.

What about those who gate crash within the refugee camps themselves? 

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:31pm:

cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00pm: LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason? so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in??????? or does the media LIE no matter whos in power??? you seem to tell us that the media has no left it its all right leaning./. can you explain then the POWER of GETUP CRIKEY all the webs that wiseone brings up... [Independent] and there are many... so far I only see newpapers C&P on here from righties...but lefties are all over the place...yet you claim the media is all biased towards the right.. you looking for HONEST REASONS...LOL>. how about the surplus that never was...or debt that IS.. oops no excuses now... look sorry I asked I know what the come back is... I see a glass factory has now closed over 100 jobs gone.. claims its the cost of power and the dollar....he said manufacturing is very very hard in this country. If you honestly can't distinguish bias within Murdoch media and fairfax media then you are more delusional than I had ever thought.

pompous ass.


check out whom I was answering dna called it the liberal media....


even I know some who read the SMH and some even glory in the ABC...


pompous twat


btw I dont read fairfax.... and as its going down the gurgle I am probably one among many.


I feel your concern for the 100 workers who have just lost their jobs.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:33pm:

cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:31pm: adelcrow wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm: Do you people seriously think that we will have less asylum seekers in the world after Abbott comes to power..Crikey they are saying the refugees coming out of Syria will more than double to 2 million before to long..tell me how Abbott is going to stop that? Or do you think they can all sit in camps in Jordon forever? And thats even before the mass exodus of reffos begin streaming out of Afghanistan the minute the west pulls out. Im interested to know what plans Tony has to fix the worlds refugee problem and the millions of asylum seekers washing around the globe looking for sanctuary. Abbott said he would raise the intake to 20.000pa... from the front door.. I am happy with that if they come in the front door and we can accommodate them then thats fine with me...we have many processors overseas to deal with this... yet those that choose to gratecrash seem to get special service... that isnt right. What about those who gate crash within the refugee camps themselves?

that is for the processors overseas.. that we already are paying to do this job...I cant imagine too many gatecrashers in those camps just people who will get on the end of the endless queue...

the gatecrashers I am talking about are the ones with money enough to get to Indonesia and then from there to here..

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:31pm: cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:28pm: Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00pm: LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason? so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in??????? or does the media LIE no matter whos in power??? you seem to tell us that the media has no left it its all right leaning./. can you explain then the POWER of GETUP CRIKEY all the webs that wiseone brings up... [Independent] and there are many... so far I only see newpapers C&P on here from righties...but lefties are all over the place...yet you claim the media is all biased towards the right.. you looking for HONEST REASONS...LOL>. how about the surplus that never was...or debt that IS.. oops no excuses now... look sorry I asked I know what the come back is... I see a glass factory has now closed over 100 jobs gone.. claims its the cost of power and the dollar....he said manufacturing is very very hard in this country. If you honestly can't distinguish bias within Murdoch media and fairfax media then you are more delusional than I had ever thought. pompous ass. check out whom I was answering dna called it the liberal media.... even I know some who read the SMH and some even glory in the ABC... pompous twat btw I dont read fairfax.... and as its going down the gurgle I am probably one among many. I feel your concern for the 100 workers who have just lost their jobs.

So you are concerned about the 100 workers yet won't read fairfax?  Delusional.

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:33pm: cods wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:31pm: adelcrow wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:05pm: Do you people seriously think that we will have less asylum seekers in the world after Abbott comes to power..Crikey they are saying the refugees coming out of Syria will more than double to 2 million before to long..tell me how Abbott is going to stop that? Or do you think they can all sit in camps in Jordon forever? And thats even before the mass exodus of reffos begin streaming out of Afghanistan the minute the west pulls out. Im interested to know what plans Tony has to fix the worlds refugee problem and the millions of asylum seekers washing around the globe looking for sanctuary. Abbott said he would raise the intake to 20.000pa... from the front door.. I am happy with that if they come in the front door and we can accommodate them then thats fine with me...we have many processors overseas to deal with this... yet those that choose to gratecrash seem to get special service... that isnt right. What about those who gate crash within the refugee camps themselves?  that is for the processors overseas.. that we already are paying to do this job...I cant imagine too many gatecrashers in those camps just people who will get on the end of the endless queue... the gatecrashers I am talking about are the ones with money enough to get to Indonesia and then from there to here..

What processors overseas?  We decide on resettlement and there is no queue, so again, how do you feel about those we pick above others who have been waiting longer? 

And since when did having money diminish ones claim for asylum?  And how how do you know what the people have gone through to fund their escape?

cods wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:28pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00pm: LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason? so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in??????? or does the media LIE no matter whos in power??? you seem to tell us that the media has no left it its all right leaning./. can you explain then the POWER of GETUP CRIKEY all the webs that wiseone brings up... [Independent] and there are many... so far I only see newpapers C&P on here from righties...but lefties are all over the place...yet you claim the media is all biased towards the right.. you looking for HONEST REASONS...LOL>. how about the surplus that never was...or debt that IS.. oops no excuses now... look sorry I asked I know what the come back is... I see a glass factory has now closed over 100 jobs gone.. claims its the cost of power and the dollar....he said manufacturing is very very hard in this country.

so tell us dna does the media only LIE when Labor are in???????

or does the media LIE no matter whos in power???

It isn't so much about the media telling lies it is more that inportant sections of the media have been driving a campaign to achieve a political ragime change.

Media have policy in place aimed at forcing a change of government and have been executing that plan for a long time now.

Fact of the matter alevine is that I don't have to show you anything and I sure as hell don't have to prove anything to you.

The opinion polls say it all.

This Government is on the nose and it is stone cold fact that it is going to get butchered at the next election.

Now that may not sit well with you, but pal, that is what is going down.

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Fact of the matter alevine is that I don't have to show you anything and I sure as hell don't have to prove anything to you. The opinion polls say it all. This Government is on the nose and it is stone cold fact that it is going to get butchered at the next election. Now that may not sit well with you, but pal, that is what is going down.

but red baron that wasn't your argument. Your argument is that they will lose because of the costly carbon tax. Surely, you can provide some helpfull informaiton on how it's been costly and how it's decreased the budget of the average Australian?

As I've said before - it's time for Australia to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention.

Or, at least we need a referendum on it (yeah, like that's ever going to happen).

The 1951 UN Refugee Convention is well past it's use by date. It was drawn up to help the many people (mainly Europeans) who were displaced by World War 2. Not the current flood of Middle Eastern country shoppers.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:13pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.  you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately. Once again demonstrating your lack of debating skills I see.  Read what Hadrian wrote.  Then read my reply. Then try again. Oh and ps, the fact we are signatories to the refugee conventions provides any asylum seeker, on whatever mode of travel, our collective permission. that is a simplistic understanding of our obligations and cacpacity. there is a very big difference between asylum and refugee. and as has already bene established, an awful lot of them are country shoppers, having already passed thru a number of countries to reach us. This is not a simple question. My point remains that if you want to find what australian voters believe then you have to ask the right questions. You are as naive on this issue as dummy maqqa.  Country shoppers, no.  Seeking asylum, perfectly legal and within refugee convention. And the convention provides a very simplistic view on our obligations.  It's the political narrative that seeks to complicate it. Go educate yourself if you want to have a serious discussion.

the moment you presumed it was simplistic was when your credibility evaporated.

This debate has next to nothing about our obligations. it is abotu she sheer quantity of refugees our there and the compelte and total inability for use to make any significant difference.

of course NATO could invade Syria and stop the problem at the source, but you bleeding hearts dont like that option either.

The only hope for gillard is if she can import enough boat bludgers/lifetime labor voters in the next six months to turn the tide, she's been doing good work on that front so far but alas I don't think she will get the numbers, if only she had another term, as the leftist leaders of Europe have discovered once you import the critical mass of unemployed asylum seekers into your country a conservative government will never be voted in ever again and that is a leftys and unemployed asylum seekers wet dream come true.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:09pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:18pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:34pm: longweekend58 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:13pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:38pm: hadrian_now wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:36pm: You have no feel for the mood of the people alevine. They do not always align their thoughts to your preferred ideal. That is such complete nonsense. Show me where it says the majority of peple are against refugees.   Perhaps in Western Sydney, but you'll forgive me for not giving a rats arse about self-centered idiots.  you might want to point to actual polls or other data to make your point. I dont think many people at all are 'against refugees'. I suspect a lot of people however are against them rolling up on our doorstep unannounced and without our collective permission. you might want to phrase your question more accurately. Once again demonstrating your lack of debating skills I see.  Read what Hadrian wrote.  Then read my reply. Then try again. Oh and ps, the fact we are signatories to the refugee conventions provides any asylum seeker, on whatever mode of travel, our collective permission. that is a simplistic understanding of our obligations and cacpacity. there is a very big difference between asylum and refugee. and as has already bene established, an awful lot of them are country shoppers, having already passed thru a number of countries to reach us. This is not a simple question. My point remains that if you want to find what australian voters believe then you have to ask the right questions. You are as naive on this issue as dummy maqqa.  Country shoppers, no.  Seeking asylum, perfectly legal and within refugee convention. And the convention provides a very simplistic view on our obligations.  It's the political narrative that seeks to complicate it. Go educate yourself if you want to have a serious discussion. the moment you presumed it was simplistic was when your credibility evaporated. This debate has next to nothing about our obligations. it is abotu she sheer quantity of refugees our there and the compelte and total inability for use to make any significant difference. of course NATO could invade Syria and stop the problem at the source, but you bleeding hearts dont like that option either.

The refugee convention is complicated on our obligations? how so?

Carl D wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:42pm:

As I've said before - it's time for Australia to withdraw from the UN Refugee Convention. Or, at least we need a referendum on it (yeah, like that's ever going to happen). The 1951 UN Refugee Convention is well past it's use by date. It was drawn up to help the many people (mainly Europeans) who were displaced by World War 2. Not the current flood of Middle Eastern country shoppers.

I'm not against the convention being reviewed, but not for the same reason you suggest in your moronic post.

O.K. alevine today CS.R. shed 152 jobs and closed its glass making factory at Ingleburn. A big factor in this was the burgeoning strain of the Carbon Tax. They will now import their glass from countries that don't have this sh.tty tax and in the meantime they will save 27 million dollars by doing so.

Unless you've been watching the news with your eyes closed and tissues stuck in your ears you would have noted just how many of our manufacturing industries have folded.

The freaking useless Carbon Tax was the last straw for many of these traditional companies. If you want more examples find them yourself, I'm not doing your bloody homework for you.

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:51pm:

O.K. alevine today CS.R. shed 152 jobs and closed its glass making factory at Ingleburn. A big factor in this was the burgeoning strain of the Carbon Tax. They will now import their glass from countries that don't have this sh.tty tax and in the meantime they will save 27 million dollars by doing so. Unless you've been watching the news with your eyes closed and tissues stuck in your ears you would have noted just how many of our manufacturing industries have folded. The freaking useless Carbon Tax was the last straw for many of these traditional companies. If you want more examples find them yourself, I'm not doing your bloody homework for you.

Have you got the press release that states it was the Carbon tax?

Manufacturing is folding primarily due to our inability to sell the value of an Australian product vs. the value of an Asian product and the difference in our currencies (ie, the cost of manufacturing and then exporting it due to the current Aussie Dollar is TOO HIGH).  I'm all for the reserve bank entering the currency wars. I think it's a necessity.  It's criminal to sit by and watch other countries fight tooth and nail to reduce their currency while ours remains this inflated.

As for homework - you're the one suggesting the carbon tax has added too much cost. DO YOUR HOMEWORK and OFFER EXAMPLES to SUSTAIN YOUR ARGUMENT. Otherwise don't post unfounded crap.

alevine....suit yourself. ..You can eat it all up on election day..........When Abbott's Liberals will win in a landslide and we get rid of this lousy Government that has racked up 145 Billion dollars in  foreign debt in OUR NAME.

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

alevine....suit yourself. ..You can eat it all up on election day..........When Abbott's Liberals will win in a landslide and we get rid of this lousy Government that has racked up 145 Billion dollars in  foreign debt in OUR NAME.

;D Red, I'm simply asking you to provide some evidence to back your OP.  It really shouldn't be this difficult.

Labor will lose, because the voting Public are looking for someone to blame, which is generally whoever is in power & right now that's Labor.

In 3 & a bit years, it will be the Liberals & government Power will change again, because the Public will be up to their eyeballs in Economic strife and again they will want to blame whoever is in power! 


IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

The boat people are very environmentally conscious and the only reason they are fleeing to Australia is because we have a carbon tax, once the carbon tax is repealed the boats will stop  ;)

LOL

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 7:59pm:

Labor will lose, because the voting Public are looking for someone to blame, which is generally whoever is in power & right now that's Labor. In 3 & a bit years, it will be the Liberals & government Power will change again, because the Public will be up to their eyeballs in Economic strife and again they will want to blame whoever is in power!  IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!!

You could be wrong, of course.

After all, how long had the Coalition lasted under Howard. . . 12 years?

And they wouldn't have lost to the mumbling, bumbling Rudd if the propaganda was so strong against Workchoices. Yep, propaganda is Labor's forte!

What is worse, work choices or no job at all (under saviour Labor?)

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

The only hope for gillard is if she can import enough boat bludgers/lifetime labor voters in the next six months to turn the tide, she's been doing good work on that front so far but alas I don't think she will get the numbers, if only she had another term, as the leftist leaders of Europe have discovered once you import the critical mass of unemployed asylum seekers into your country a conservative government will never be voted in ever again and that is a leftys and unemployed asylum seekers wet dream come true.

Don't newcomers have to reside two years before they can apply for citizenship and then be eligible to vote?

I hope I'm not wrong?

No I think you are right..
one of the reasons there is so much strife in Logan... no income for kiwis and Islanders for 2 yrs.. yet they let them in...  it is the responsibility of govt to put in place measures to deal with an influx,, where ever they're from.


As for the Carbon Tax?  Hasn't had any impact on my cost of living that I can separate out.. and the MINING TAX...???

to put it simplisticly..  oooh ooh  only made 26 million/....

has it occurred to you,, ??? that most of the mines in QLD  were under water from huge flooding fo a long long time...??? 
the Bligh and Federal Labor Govts had no choice in what the weather did... and the Miners couldn't rake in the bikkies.... 'cos it was UNDERWATER..!!
Capiche??? 

Do you not remember this ??  do you suppose these natural events, were the governments' fault?? 

In a 'normal' yr, things would have been very different..  ..

Memory is short when all one can see is $$$$ signs...

oh and I meant to add... I agree with Alevine  and Adelcrow ..  clearly have a grasp on the 'real'.

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

I predict that LABOR will lose the next Federal Election because of these two leading issues. The Carbon Tax  is an invasive tax which has cost the whole Nation plenty and achieved nothing. The average working person does not want to hear the same tired old arguments, over how it reduces Carbon pollution the average punter thinks that is a crock. I totally agree. Whilst I applaud Governments for reducing carbon emissions this intrusive tax, is not the way to do it and only causes our country to be uncompetitive and without any real impact on carbon emmissions here. The Carbon Tax is a big fat balloon that the Liberals will quickly put a needle in. And deservedly so. The other main one, are the boats up north that continue and continue to arrive uninvited to our shores. If other peoples want to emigrate here, apply to an Australian Embassy and get in the queue just like countless thousands of migrants have had to do. Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this. And further, they will tell Labor so come September.

Labor may well lose the next election
And they may well deserve it.

But the post above is a clear demonstration of just how stupid the electorate is. 

It is easy to dismiss the poster above as a retard.  Which he obviously is.  But the sad bit is that you will see similar comment sin newspapers etc all around the country.

THere really are people this stupid out there.
And these people actually get a vote.!!


Just to answer your "issues".
"Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  And the policy response to this "issue" are essentially identical by both major parties.

And the "carbon tax" is not going anywhere.  live with it idiot.  The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that.

I mean seriously - it really is about time we took the vote away from morons.

oooh  if only..   ::) 8-) 8-)

BUT  ...  we cannot... :(

we will get the government we ( collectively ) deserve.!
Seems there are more morons than aware folk,  and
more poor than rich...  BUT the rich look likely to win the day. :-? ::)

Sad but true... it appears...
altho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

one latest 'poll'  put Gillard ahead. !!  You never know... it ain't over till it's over and the fat lady sings....   :)

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:11am:

"Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.

Yet both parties recognize it is an "issue" and are campaigning against each other to sell their version of off-shore processing and refugee reduction.

All on the advice of the panel who looked in depth at it.
Or is Air Marshall Angus Houston a racist as well in your eyes??



Quote:

The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that.

Strange. India's Environmental Minister said carbon pricing 'wasn't a priority right now'.
You know India?
The 3rd worst polluter in the world?

your point? Hick?

lets do what the Indians do???

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:11am:

red baron wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:39am: I predict that LABOR will lose the next Federal Election because of these two leading issues. The Carbon Tax  is an invasive tax which has cost the whole Nation plenty and achieved nothing. The average working person does not want to hear the same tired old arguments, over how it reduces Carbon pollution the average punter thinks that is a crock. I totally agree. Whilst I applaud Governments for reducing carbon emissions this intrusive tax, is not the way to do it and only causes our country to be uncompetitive and without any real impact on carbon emmissions here. The Carbon Tax is a big fat balloon that the Liberals will quickly put a needle in. And deservedly so. The other main one, are the boats up north that continue and continue to arrive uninvited to our shores. If other peoples want to emigrate here, apply to an Australian Embassy and get in the queue just like countless thousands of migrants have had to do. Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this. And further, they will tell Labor so come September. Labor may well lose the next election And they may well deserve it. But the post above is a clear demonstration of just how stupid the electorate is.  It is easy to dismiss the poster above as a retard.  Which he obviously is.  But the sad bit is that you will see similar comment sin newspapers etc all around the country. THere really are people this stupid out there. And these people actually get a vote.!! Just to answer your "issues". "Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  And the policy response to this "issue" are essentially identical by both major parties. And the "carbon tax" is not going anywhere.  live with it idiot.  The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that. I mean seriously - it really is about time we took the vote away from morons.

Yep these two "leaders" have definitely lowered the level of debate in the community to catastrophic degree.  But unfortunately that's what happens when there is compulsory voting and the average voter doesn't believe politics plays a role in their life.  What we end up with is every Tom dick and Harry taking sloganeering as fact, and believing all opinions, no matter how inaccurate they are, are valid.  The worst thing gillard ever did was giving legitimacy to the xenophobic opinion.  The worst thing tony ever did was open his mouth before thinking.

Sloganeering has to stop. And dumbifying issues has to stop.  Politics is meant to be academic - its the only way we can actually ever progress as a society.  And the idea that politicians should lead based on public opinion is ludicrous; the public elect people who are meant  to make the right decision, and not the publically popular one.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:21am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:11am: "Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  Yet both parties recognize it is an "issue" and are campaigning against each other to sell their version of off-shore processing and refugee reduction. All on the advice of the panel who looked in depth at it. Or is Air Marshall Angus Houston a racist as well in your eyes??

Both major parties have virtually identical policies retard.

  The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:21am:

Strange. India's Environmental Minister said carbon pricing 'wasn't a priority right now'. You know India? The 3rd worst polluter in the world?

The 3rd worst polluter in the world - that has a carbon tax.
On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nationwide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/t) of coal both produced and imported into India.[50] In India coal is used to power more than half of the country's electricity generation.

Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told reporters in June 2010 that a domestic tax should come before a global carbon tax, and India has imposed one while others debate the issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax#India

As I said - carbon pricing is here to stay.  Deniers like Abbott will not change that,

bump

needed that  :)

I predict that Labor will........ :) :P :o

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:41am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:11am: "Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  Yet both parties recognize it is an "issue" and are campaigning against each other to sell their version of off-shore processing and refugee reduction. All on the advice of the panel who looked in depth at it. Or is Air Marshall Angus Houston a racist as well in your eyes?? Both major parties have virtually identical policies retard.   The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that. Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: Strange. India's Environmental Minister said carbon pricing 'wasn't a priority right now'. You know India? The 3rd worst polluter in the world? The 3rd worst polluter in the world - that has a carbon tax. On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nationwide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/t) of coal both produced and imported into India.[50] In India coal is used to power more than half of the country's electricity generation. Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told reporters in June 2010 that a domestic tax should come before a global carbon tax, and India has imposed one while others debate the issue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax#India As I said - carbon pricing is here to stay.  Deniers like Abbott will not change that,

Well, it it shuts up all the het up guys like you, let's put a $1.07 per ton tax on all carbon. Like all other $1/ton 'pricing on carbon', it would be a gesture without any effect, other than preening rights at the UN. And we know that all the right-on kids like you, preening rights are priceless.

Hilarious. Alevine claims politics is meant to be academic and not sloganeering, then trots out the the biggest trendy slogans of them all: Xenophobia, racist, bigots.

But then again, those slogans are often used by trendy academic types, so he is right in a strange kind of way.

Diversity demagogues are the biggest, stupidest conformist - they want total conformity with their particular diversity fetish.

But actual diversity of opinion about their protected species? Sacre bleu!! Can't have diversity of thought. Only diversity deniers have a diverse views.

yeah  whatever Soren 

I agree  :) :)

what's the problem with the Carbon Tax again??

Nothing comes to mind...  so what was the problem again...  you know?  how has it affected YOU??? 

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Hilarious. Alevine claims politics is meant to be academic and not sloganeering, then trots out the the biggest trendy slogans of them all: Xenophobia, racist, bigots. But then again, those slogans are often used by trendy academic types, so he is right in a strange kind of way.

You need to look no further than the immigrant above to prove Alevine’s point.

Just think - our taxes pay for the old boy’s care.

Far cheaper to import a truckload of refugees.

After all, who ends up emptying the old boy’s colostomy bag onto his plate?

The old boy thinks the Iranian and Somali aged care staff are maitre’ds - hence the attempt at phrasebook French. Liberte, equalite, diversite.

The guy who serves up  the alt jungend’s sheisen has a PhD in bio-chemistry. He knows the score.

"Bon apetite!"

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 8:31pm:

Hilarious. Alevine claims politics is meant to be academic and not sloganeering, then trots out the the biggest trendy slogans of them all: Xenophobia, racist, bigots. But then again, those slogans are often used by trendy academic types, so he is right in a strange kind of way.

Firstly, if we are going to be accurate, they aren't slogans; they are labels.   

But in reality there is nothing wrong with calling out xenophobia and bigotism when one sees it.  To claim otherwise simply because you don't like the words is just poor form.  And it is nothing more than putting shutters over your eyes. If you are being bigoted and/or xenophobic in your opinion then don't expect a person to give it legitimacy because of fear of offending.  And it isn't about being PC either; it's very simply what it is; a xenophobic argument that can of course be made given free speech, but don't expect for it to be accepted without it being called out for what it is.

And I've noticed it quite often from you Mistie. You like to pull the shutters down all the time by attemping to suggest it is somehow wrong to call someone xenophobic, for being xenophobic. Similar to how you like to call out Godwins law one too many times, to avoid having to answer a very legitimate point.

oh did you see the latest ??? 

PM Julia Gillard has regained the lead in the 'preferred PM' Poll.??

Maybe  all ozzies aren't brainwashed by bs after all??

red baron wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

I predict that LABOR will lose the next Federal Election because of these two leading issues. The Carbon Tax  is an invasive tax which has cost the whole Nation plenty and achieved nothing. The average working person does not want to hear the same tired old arguments, over how it reduces Carbon pollution the average punter thinks that is a crock. I totally agree. Whilst I applaud Governments for reducing carbon emissions this intrusive tax, is not the way to do it and only causes our country to be uncompetitive and without any real impact on carbon emmissions here. The Carbon Tax is a big fat balloon that the Liberals will quickly put a needle in. And deservedly so. The other main one, are the boats up north that continue and continue to arrive uninvited to our shores. If other peoples want to emigrate here, apply to an Australian Embassy and get in the queue just like countless thousands of migrants have had to do. Don't turn up on our doorstep with your hands out. I am totally convinced, the majority of Australians do no want this. And further, they will tell Labor so come September.

If you were in fear of your life would you wait patiently in a queue?

I think not.

olde.sault wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 10:07pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 5:46pm: The only hope for gillard is if she can import enough boat bludgers/lifetime labor voters in the next six months to turn the tide, she's been doing good work on that front so far but alas I don't think she will get the numbers, if only she had another term, as the leftist leaders of Europe have discovered once you import the critical mass of unemployed asylum seekers into your country a conservative government will never be voted in ever again and that is a leftys and unemployed asylum seekers wet dream come true. Don't newcomers have to reside two years before they can apply for citizenship and then be eligible to vote? I hope I'm not wrong?

Heard something most disturbing on this very subject this very night. It seems Labor has had another dastardly idea for helping them in an election.

Letters will be addressed not to "voters" but "persons" to enter their name on the electoral roll.

Now, is that to allow the non-eligible to vote, e.g. boatpeople?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:36pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 8:31pm: Hilarious. Alevine claims politics is meant to be academic and not sloganeering, then trots out the the biggest trendy slogans of them all: Xenophobia, racist, bigots. But then again, those slogans are often used by trendy academic types, so he is right in a strange kind of way. Firstly, if we are going to be accurate, they aren't slogans; they are labels.    But in reality there is nothing wrong with calling out xenophobia and bigotism when one sees it.  To claim otherwise simply because you don't like the words is just poor form.  And it is nothing more than putting shutters over your eyes. If you are being bigoted and/or xenophobic in your opinion then don't expect a person to give it legitimacy because of fear of offending.  And it isn't about being PC either; it's very simply what it is; a xenophobic argument that can of course be made given free speech, but don't expect for it to be accepted without it being called out for what it is. And I've noticed it quite often from you Mistie. You like to pull the shutters down all the time by attemping to suggest it is somehow wrong to call someone xenophobic, for being xenophobic. Similar to how you like to call out Godwins law one too many times, to avoid having to answer a very legitimate point.

My main beef with these terms - xenophobia, racism etc - is that they aren't arguments or 'academic' in any shape or form. They are, as you even state yourself, labels and slogans.

These terms in no way refute someone's position on 'boat people' or refugees' or other races. They are designed to denigrate (and refute, but the leftists don't actually realise they don't refute a position); they possess connotations and denotions on lynching, gassing, etc. By labelling your opponent with such terms is to align him with such atrocities. Guilt by association.

jeez you are a reactionary old dude aren't you... 
oooh conspircay to secretly help Labor..!!  wake up to youself ..

hmmm OK  forget that... you are too old in the brain to even be able to grasp new thoughts... you go by your  memories... 

sadly there r people that will take up your idea... fearful, narrow-minded idiots I'd call you.

Hey...  let me give you an example... 

I have an older Kiwi couple as  dear friends..  but I was astonished to hear....   that a doz or so yrs ago,  when they had shifted here... a letter arrived in the mail box...  not addressed to them..   from the Electoral Commission,  ..  saying  the people at the address ( not them)  should be enrolled to vote.
So they DID,  and then, subsequently voted in a Fed election. 

When they finally figured it out they rang the EC ,, and were told.. oh no... you can't vote,,, but not to worry.. your vote would have had no impact on the outcome,, so forget it... but don't vote again, unless you are Aus citizens... !!

Dnarever wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:

LABOR to lose because of Carbon Tax, Boat People So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason?

Where's the dishonesty? Labor actually DID introduce a carbon dioxide tax, despite promising not to do so. Labor actually has had not so much an increase as a FLOOD of illegal immigrants since Rudd scrapped the Pacific Solution - more than 30,000 since 2008 and counting. Lets not forget the debt, not helped by Swan handing out money left, right and centre through carbon dioxide tax compo, stimulus packages that were rorted to no end and increasing the tax-free threshold to $18k in a move that will severely cut into revenue the government could have received. So where is the dishonesty in that???

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 12:41am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:11am: "Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  Yet both parties recognize it is an "issue" and are campaigning against each other to sell their version of off-shore processing and refugee reduction. All on the advice of the panel who looked in depth at it. Or is Air Marshall Angus Houston a racist as well in your eyes?? Both major parties have virtually identical policies retard.   The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that. Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: Strange. India's Environmental Minister said carbon pricing 'wasn't a priority right now'. You know India? The 3rd worst polluter in the world? The 3rd worst polluter in the world - that has a carbon tax. On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nationwide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/t) of coal both produced and imported into India.[50] In India coal is used to power more than half of the country's electricity generation. Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told reporters in June 2010 that a domestic tax should come before a global carbon tax, and India has imposed one while others debate the issue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax#India As I said - carbon pricing is here to stay.  Deniers like Abbott will not change that,

The same Jairam Ramesh?

"India has a greater priority in poverty reduction than the issue of carbon reduction.
India's view is that it is the responsibility of the western world developed nations to act first to fix a problem they created"

Must be another bloke then seeing as you think he is such a fan.


By the way $1.07???????????
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

olde.sault wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 11:47pm:

olde.sault wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 5:46pm: The only hope for gillard is if she can import enough boat bludgers/lifetime labor voters in the next six months to turn the tide, she's been doing good work on that front so far but alas I don't think she will get the numbers, if only she had another term, as the leftist leaders of Europe have discovered once you import the critical mass of unemployed asylum seekers into your country a conservative government will never be voted in ever again and that is a leftys and unemployed asylum seekers wet dream come true. Don't newcomers have to reside two years before they can apply for citizenship and then be eligible to vote? I hope I'm not wrong? Heard something most disturbing on this very subject this very night. It seems Labor has had another dastardly idea for helping them in an election. Letters will be addressed not to "voters" but "persons" to enter their name on the electoral roll. Now, is that to allow the non-eligible to vote, e.g. boatpeople?

I'd say so, OS. It would seem that Labor are now so desperate they're targeting the 5000-odd non-citizens held in detention to vote for them.

The boat people will flee from the detention centres or community placements to vote on election day, only to be told they're non-citizens and can't vote. Dastardly!

Another cunning plot from the ALP.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 13^th, 2013 at 7:58am:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:41am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:11am: "Boat people" are not an issue.  They are only an "issue" to racists.  Yet both parties recognize it is an "issue" and are campaigning against each other to sell their version of off-shore processing and refugee reduction. All on the advice of the panel who looked in depth at it. Or is Air Marshall Angus Houston a racist as well in your eyes?? Both major parties have virtually identical policies retard.   The whole world is moving to carbon pricing - Tony will not change that. Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 12:21am: Strange. India's Environmental Minister said carbon pricing 'wasn't a priority right now'. You know India? The 3rd worst polluter in the world? The 3rd worst polluter in the world - that has a carbon tax. On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nationwide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/t) of coal both produced and imported into India.[50] In India coal is used to power more than half of the country's electricity generation. Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh told reporters in June 2010 that a domestic tax should come before a global carbon tax, and India has imposed one while others debate the issue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax#India As I said - carbon pricing is here to stay.  Deniers like Abbott will not change that, The same Jairam Ramesh? "India has a greater priority in poverty reduction than the issue of carbon reduction. India's view is that it is the responsibility of the western world developed nations to act first to fix a problem they created" Must be another bloke then seeing as you think he is such a fan. By the way $1.07??????????? ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

make our CT $1.07 and I will support it. That way you losers can imagine you are changing the world and the rest of us wont have to put up with an economic lead weight.

Quote:

So the Liberal Media dishonest spin has worked? There is no honest reason?

Dnaever


You know DNA, for all your claims about you MAKING OUT THAT YOU SUCH A CENTRIST, i cant help but feel from these posts of yours, YOU COME ACROSS WITH A HEART BLEEDING FOR LABOR,  ;D ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTrihh0d0mc


Lets remember Gilliards dishonest spins back in 2010, especially in the end when she called the carbon tax at that forum, carbon pricing and that she would seek a CONSENSUS before implementing such a policy.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 11^th, 2013 at 5:52pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 5:51pm: O.K. alevine today CS.R. shed 152 jobs and closed its glass making factory at Ingleburn. A big factor in this was the burgeoning strain of the Carbon Tax. They will now import their glass from countries that don't have this sh.tty tax and in the meantime they will save 27 million dollars by doing so. Unless you've been watching the news with your eyes closed and tissues stuck in your ears you would have noted just how many of our manufacturing industries have folded. The freaking useless Carbon Tax was the last straw for many of these traditional companies. If you want more examples find them yourself, I'm not doing your bloody homework for you. Have you got the press release that states it was the Carbon tax? Manufacturing is folding primarily due to our inability to sell the value of an Australian product vs. the value of an Asian product and the difference in our currencies (ie, the cost of manufacturing and then exporting it due to the current Aussie Dollar is TOO HIGH).  I'm all for the reserve bank entering the currency wars. I think it's a necessity.  It's criminal to sit by and watch other countries fight tooth and nail to reduce their currency while ours remains this inflated. As for homework - you're the one suggesting the carbon tax has added too much cost. DO YOUR HOMEWORK and OFFER EXAMPLES to SUSTAIN YOUR ARGUMENT. Otherwise don't post unfounded crap.

O-I/ACI glass will lose over 500,000,000 units to glass production in China this year alone.

2 reasons, the high Oz $ and high energy costs of production, made worse by the carbon tax.

Oh, i don't have any press releases for you, i only know this becuase i work with these people that supply our glass, and they fear for their industry and jobs.

olde.sault wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 11:47pm:

olde.sault wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 10:07pm: Innocent bystander wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 5:46pm: The only hope for gillard is if she can import enough boat bludgers/lifetime labor voters in the next six months to turn the tide, she's been doing good work on that front so far but alas I don't think she will get the numbers, if only she had another term, as the leftist leaders of Europe have discovered once you import the critical mass of unemployed asylum seekers into your country a conservative government will never be voted in ever again and that is a leftys and unemployed asylum seekers wet dream come true. Don't newcomers have to reside two years before they can apply for citizenship and then be eligible to vote? I hope I'm not wrong? Heard something most disturbing on this very subject this very night. It seems Labor has had another dastardly idea for helping them in an election. Letters will be addressed not to "voters" but "persons" to enter their name on the electoral roll. Now, is that to allow the non-eligible to vote, e.g. boatpeople?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

Let me guess: you heard this on talk-back radio?

Emma wrote on Mar 12^th, 2013 at 9:21pm:

what's the problem with the Carbon Tax again?? Nothing comes to mind...  so what was the problem again...  you know?  how has it affected YOU???

Er... it makes no difference to 'climate change' or whatever it is called today. But it was introduced to make a difference. It ain't.





Anyway, on 'diversity':
“As you know, if you go to the average American Australian newsroom you can have diversity of race, diversity of gender, diversity of orientation — everything except the only diversity that matters, which is diversity of thought. And the left does not want to celebrate diversity of thought. They rage against so-called intolerance, yet they themselves are stupefyingly intolerant.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/08/mark-steyn-liberals-conformity-enforcers-stupefyingly-intolerant-video/#ixzz2NPm2dezk


There's a vid at this link, watch it and then ask yourself - are you stupefyingly intolerant of view that do not conform to the pieties du jour?

carbon tax, mining tax, boat people, deficit, ruddknifing.

take your pick

Stealing, lying, her attempts at trying to defame Tony Abbott, a loving family man and pillar of his community, 1000 dead boat peopole, the decimated live cattle trade, her obnoxious boyfreind, sh*t the list is just endless when you think about it  ;D