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Message started by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:26pm

Title: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:26pm
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16272607/thomson-wants-civil-case-put-on-hold/

Lawyers for federal MP Craig Thomson say a civil penalty case against him should be postponed because it would "mingle the matters up" if it was heard at the same time as his criminal charges.

Fair Work Australia (FWA) will try to push ahead with the civil case, arguing there are matters in the lawsuit that are not part of the criminal matter.

FWA barrister Stephen Donaghue SC told the Federal Court sitting in Melbourne that a comparison of the cases showed matters including election expenditure were not included in the criminal charges, which included counts such as the alleged use of a credit card to hire escorts.

Mr Donaghue said the case should be split and matters not related to the criminal charges should still proceed.

"There are discrete parts of this proceeding that overlap almost precisely with the subject matter of the criminal charges," he said.

"There are other parts of this proceeding which we submit do not overlap at all with the criminal charges."

Mr Thomson's barrister Jim Pearce, who appeared via videolink from Sydney, told Justice Christopher Jessup the entire civil proceeding should be stayed until the criminal matter is concluded.

Another Thomson lawyer, Chris McArdle, was asked by reporters outside the court why the legal team was arguing for a stay of the civil matters until the criminal case was completed.

"We think that would mingle the matters up," Mr McArdle said.

Justice Jessup adjourned the application to stay the case until April 18.

He also granted permission for the Health Services Union (HSU) to appear in the case in a limited role.

FWA alleges the former Labor MP misused union funds when he was the HSU national secretary between 2002 and 2007, using credit cards to spend thousands of dollars on personal expenses including prostitutes.

Thomson is also facing 154 criminal charges of fraud, alleged to have been committed while he was national secretary of the HSU.

He has vowed to fight the charges and will next appear in Melbourne Magistrates Court for a committal mention on May 22.

Outside court on Friday, Thomson's lawyer spoke of the toll the cases were taking on the MP from the NSW central coast.

"He's very stressed, you'd have to be stressed," he said.

"This constant torment is stressing him and his family."

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Aussie on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:37pm
Are there not enough Thomson Threads already?  This repetition by this Forum idiot has to stop.

>:(

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by adelcrow on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:38pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:37pm:
Are there not enough Thomson Threads already?  This repetition by this Forum idiot has to stop.

>:(

But there is so many different and exciting things going on with thomson and they arent all the same. They have all had their own story to tell that just needed its own thread.

I strongly disagree with you.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:40pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D

Gillard hasnt taken your free speech has she. Ide say stuff the commies, just do it. Start your own thread. Stick it up "the man"

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Peter Freedman on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:55pm
I wait with bated breath for Maqqa's next thread:Thomo has Weetbix for breaks and showers with Pears soap",

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:02pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:55pm:
I wait with bated breath for Maqqa's next thread:Thomo has Weetbix for breaks and showers with Pears soap",

Was Pears soap a hooker?

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Peter Freedman on Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:47pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:55pm:
I wait with bated breath for Maqqa's next thread:Thomo has Weetbix for breaks and showers with Pears soap",

Was Pears soap a hooker?


No, a front row prop.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:16pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:47pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 7:02pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:55pm:
I wait with bated breath for Maqqa's next thread:Thomo has Weetbix for breaks and showers with Pears soap",

Was Pears soap a hooker?


No, a front row prop.

Gillard?

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by cods on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:48am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:26pm:
Mr Donaghue said the case should be split and matters not related to the criminal charges should still proceed.




are they saying the money he used to pay for his election campaign was not a crime?????????

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by salad in on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 6:28am

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:26pm:
[...]

"He's very stressed, you'd have to be stressed," he said.

"This constant torment is stressing him and his family."


I have a spare box of tissues for you Craig.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Rider on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:14am

salad in wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 6:28am:

Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:26pm:
[...]

"He's very stressed, you'd have to be stressed," he said.

"This constant torment is stressing him and his family."


I have a spare box of tissues for you Craig.



Perhaps a nice massage for Craigy boy....(happy ending Mr Craig??). Will we pass the hat around for Craig  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by adelcrow on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:16am
This is just another example of Maqqas "selective outrage syndrome"

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by FRED. on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:32am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D


Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker   ;)

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by cods on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:34am

FRED. wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:32am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D


Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker   ;)



OH DEAR??... not nice fred..leave that to adel.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by KJT1981 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:35am

FRED. wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:32am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D


Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker   ;)



Lady boy???

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by FRED. on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:40am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:35am:

FRED. wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:32am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Nothing about Howards old right hand man Arty Sinodinos dodgy deals or Eric Abetz's family links to Hitler and the Nazi party?
I thought not  ;D


Hey wingnut are you still shagging that Asian hooker   ;)



Lady boy???


OOPPS  Sorry  LADYBOY  ;) ;) ;)

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by cods on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

===================
This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:19am

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....

Well I could hardly see cods asking you about anything at all, so dont feel bad on this one.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by KJT1981 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by cods on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:44am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

===================
This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.




well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Spot of Borg on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by adelcrow on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:51am

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:44am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

===================
This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.




well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!


Given that Jackson has been sprung ripping off the union off of vast quantities of money its no surprise that she has suddenly become very quiet.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by adelcrow on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D



Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by KJT1981 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:36am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D


You know bugger all about me crow and as per usual you have made a complete @rse of yourself.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Dnarever on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:41am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:36am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.


You know bugger all about me crow and as per usual you have made a complete @rse of yourself.



I think that Crows comment is correct but do not see how it relates to you KJt.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Dnarever on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:54am
Thomo will face even MORE charges

What additional charges????

Name one?

For someone so concerned about Gillards honesty you don't seem to show much yourself?

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:05am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


Ok, lets see now ...

Best cars?                     Italian
Best motorbikes?           Italian
Best fashion?                 Italian
Best food?                     Italian
Best holiday?                 Italian
Best root?                     Italian

shall I continue?
looks like you haven't a clue Ky Gel ..... keep trying

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:07am

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:36am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D


You know bugger all about me crow and as per usual you have made a complete @rse of yourself.


He doesn't have to ... you do quite well on your own.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:20am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:44am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

===================
This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.




well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!


Given that Jackson has been sprung ripping off the union off of vast quantities of money its no surprise that she has suddenly become very quiet.

It is shorton that has shut her up. Shorton made sure there wasnt anyone in HSU ranks that would wistle blow, so will be complient and complicate with the silence.

Jackson is in no position to tell anyone anything anymore. Well done labor fix it man.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:21am

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:44am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:17am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:41am:
If I were the police, I would be worried the evidence the FWA gathers is going to be locked away from their view, as that is FWA policy.




what are you saying prog.. the police have no access to what FWA have??? when someone is charged their defense team has access to just about everything... dont they?

FWA are nothing to do with the LAW at least thats what I have thought.

Division 4—General provisions relating to civil remedies

554 Criminal proceedings after civil proceedings

Criminal proceedings may be commenced against a person for conduct that is substantially the same as conduct constituting a contravention of a civil remedy provision regardless of whether an order has been made against the person under Division 2.

555 Evidence given in proceedings for pecuniary penalty not admissible in criminal proceedings

(1) Evidence of information given, or evidence of production of documents, by an individual is not admissible in criminal proceedings against the individual if:

(a) the individual previously gave the information or produced the documents in proceedings for a pecuniary penalty order against the individual for a contravention of a civil remedy provision (whether or not the order was made); and

(b) the conduct alleged to constitute the offence is substantially the same as the conduct in relation to which the order was sought.

(2) However, this does not apply to criminal proceedings in relation to the falsity of the evidence given by the individual in the proceedings for the pecuniary penalty order.

===================
This worries me because it is either the evidence given in civil proceedings cannot just be copy pasted for the criminal proceedings, but must be the direct evidence for the criminal court to digest.

or the evidence used in civil court cannot be used in criminal court because it becomes inadmisable. Can the evidence even be shared or is the evidence in lock down?

We will have to see the interpretation after the fact, or stop the civil case until the criminal case hase ceased.




well what part of what he is accused of is a crime.. and what part is just a civil case..

I am under the impression he is being charged with using money for his own benefit that wasnt his and wasnt authorised

now it looks like they are picking and choosing..

how can using a credit card to visit a brothel be a crime... when using money I presume by way of the same credit card to fund his campaign is a civil case..

I am surprised Jacksons name hasnt come up yet!

You would think it criminal to use HSU funds to get elected into parliament. Surely it has to be within the criminal case.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:32am

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

What part of sarcasm to the answer given and the statement being sarcastically made about it, dont you get.

No wonder you dont seem to have a clue most of the time.

That "Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek" sarcastically because it isnt true. In other words, these idiots saying aussies were not racist, are wrong, full of BS.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

What part of sarcasm to the answer given and the statement being sarcastically made about it, dont you get.

No wonder you dont seem to have a clue most of the time.


the part that was missing originally and only after the fact are you now pretending exists ....

so you admit that I sometimes have a clue? Pity, I can't ever recall a single occassion where I can say the same about you  ..... and to think you are allowed online unsupervised.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:41am

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

What part of sarcasm to the answer given and the statement being sarcastically made about it, dont you get.

No wonder you dont seem to have a clue most of the time.

That "Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek" sarcastically because it isnt true. In other words, these idiots saying aussies were not racist, are wrong, full of BS.


the part that was missing originally and only after the fact are you now pretending exists ....

so you admit that I sometimes have a clue? Pity, I can't ever recall a single occassion where I can say the same about you  ..... and to think you are allowed online unsupervised.

Well I cant say I have ever seen you spell your name incorrectly.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:49am

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:41am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

What part of sarcasm to the answer given and the statement being sarcastically made about it, dont you get.

No wonder you dont seem to have a clue most of the time.

That "Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek" sarcastically because it isnt true. In other words, these idiots saying aussies were not racist, are wrong, full of BS.


the part that was missing originally and only after the fact are you now pretending exists ....

so you admit that I sometimes have a clue? Pity, I can't ever recall a single occassion where I can say the same about you  ..... and to think you are allowed online unsupervised.

Well I cant say I have ever seen you spell your name incorrectly.



I suspect the only reason yours doesn't come up incorrectly is because you don't have to spell it.... once mummy set up your profile you were right to go.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:07pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:49am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:41am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant



no he didn't ... what part of 'THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE' didn't you understand?

What part of sarcasm to the answer given and the statement being sarcastically made about it, dont you get.

No wonder you dont seem to have a clue most of the time.

That "Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek" sarcastically because it isnt true. In other words, these idiots saying aussies were not racist, are wrong, full of BS.


the part that was missing originally and only after the fact are you now pretending exists ....

so you admit that I sometimes have a clue? Pity, I can't ever recall a single occassion where I can say the same about you  ..... and to think you are allowed online unsupervised.

Well I cant say I have ever seen you spell your name incorrectly.



I suspect the only reason yours doesn't come up incorrectly is because you don't have to spell it.... once mummy set up your profile you were right to go.

;) :D ;D

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:14pm
Hang em and hang em high:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by adelcrow on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 1:36pm

progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:22am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:46am:

KJT1981 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:32am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:51am:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:49am:
what are you saying prog..


why would you ask progs? It's not like he has a clue .....



The question should be..............why would Cods ask an Italian? It's not like they have a clue on anything.

Right Giovanni.


go away racist troll

SOB


These are the same people that said Aussies were never racist against Italian and Greek post ww2 migrants or Vietnamese and Khmer refugees.
:D

So now you are being racist by lumping all aussies into your little racist rant


Not all Aussies...just you Tea Baggers and your political masters  :D

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by cods on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 1:53pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:54am:
Thomo will face even MORE charges

What additional charges????

Name one?

For someone so concerned about Gillards honesty you don't seem to show much yourself?




reading the OP dna... THOMO has already been charged by the police with 154 counts...the op is about what FWA will charge him with in a civil court.... his lawyers want them to postpone their case until after the police charges as it looks like  the civil charges may end up being the same as the criminal charges...


he will be a busy boy by the look of things.

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by John Smith on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:07pm

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:54am:
Thomo will face even MORE charges

What additional charges????

Name one?

For someone so concerned about Gillards honesty you don't seem to show much yourself?




reading the OP dna... THOMO has already been charged by the police with 154 counts...the op is about what FWA will charge him with in a civil court.... his lawyers want them to postpone their case until after the police charges as it looks like  the civil charges may end up being the same as the criminal charges...


he will be a busy boy by the look of things.


I didn't know you could be charged in a civil court ... only sued ... isn't it all about money?

Title: Re: Thomo will face even MORE charges
Post by Dnarever on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:00am

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:07pm:

cods wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 1:53pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:54am:
Thomo will face even MORE charges

What additional charges????

Name one?

For someone so concerned about Gillards honesty you don't seem to show much yourself?




reading the OP dna... THOMO has already been charged by the police with 154 counts...the op is about what FWA will charge him with in a civil court.... his lawyers want them to postpone their case until after the police charges as it looks like  the civil charges may end up being the same as the criminal charges...


he will be a busy boy by the look of things.


I didn't know you could be charged in a civil court ... only sued ... isn't it all about money?


The Civil court action was in place well before the police charges. There is nothing new and as far as I can see no new charges at all.

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