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Title: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:15pm Quote:
Sorry "righties" and "climate change deniers" After 1 summer of hottest weather on average since 1998 and constant temperature for the last 17 years - climate change is back with a vengeance!! Based on this 1 figure - lefties will tell you to build an Ark Ohh yeah!! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:19pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:15pm:
The oceans are steadily heating which is the driver for the increasing extremes in weather conditions that we have seen over the last decade. Believe what you want Maqqa but even the Coalition have an ETS still on the books and have promised to reduce greenhouse gases at the same rate as the Labor Party. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:22pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:19pm:
and the IPCC said that sea level increase due to Antarctic ice melting is 0.21mm with an error of +/- 0.35mm so lets not talk about oceans |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:23pm
when maqqa votes liberal it suffers from cognitive dissonance!
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:56pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:22pm:
Na...lets talk about oceans..post the WHOLE article you are quoting from ;D I assume Maqqa that you are ignorant of how the temperature of the oceans effects weather patterns across the globe? Go to a lecture or two and see what knowledge you absorb :D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:12pm The scary thing is that the temperature of the upper atmosphere is increasing, and the oceans are increasing, but for the last couple of years the land has lagged behind due to La Nina and other longer cycle (multi year) weather events. Its like an elastic band, the next El Nino could set all sorts of crazy records as the land catches back up to sea and atmosphere temps. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by KJT1981 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:28pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:12pm:
I see the magic word is used again.................COULD. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:39pm KJT1981 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:28pm:
Talk about clutching at straws. Ok, it "could" set all sorts of crazy records. It "will" track to atmosphere and ocean warming trends. There is "no chance" it will show any sign of cooling, because there isnt one part of the syetm that is showing any cooling to cause it. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:50pm
ONE above average temperature summer is proof of ACC but the 3 previous years of BELOW average temperatures proved...
that climate science cherry picks data. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by KJT1981 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:51pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:39pm:
Idiot Flannery said things WOULD happen and what rock is he hiding under now? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:53pm Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:39pm:
Let's forget about COULD, the Bureau of Meteorology has confirmed that Australia DID just experienced its hottest summer on record! AND, I can assure you, Perth DID more than it's fair share in getting that record, because it has been very warm here! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:12pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:53pm:
on year proves precisely nothing. and i mean that literally. it is just one point of data that follows on after 3 years of LOWER than average temperatures. ON one hand we have ACC hysterics telling us that firstly 17years of temperature pauses hasn't happened and finally when forced to admit it is true says it is meaningless.. but one year of hot weather? THATs significant. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by corporate_whitey on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:20pm
Thank God for Judging the world with climate extremes... 8-)
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:39pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:12pm:
I agree, one swallow does not make a summer! However, it was done without the backing of an El Nino event! So, I would suggest the prudent thing to do, would be to take whatever appropriate mitigation measures, are possible, which is merely sensible business practice. Oh & btw, I do think the science will bear out, over time, BUT we can not wait for that, as it would then be far too late. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:51pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:39pm:
business doesn't 'mitigate' against problems that don't exist. they actually want a bit of proof and proof has been pretty thin on the ground. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:37pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:15pm:
Which 17 years had "constant temperature"?!?!? The last 17 years have had very variable temperatures. Although the earth is still clearly, unambiguosly and undeniably warming |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:41pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:22pm:
If you are going to quote the IPCC - please provide a reference. The IPCC actually said: The rise in global mean sea level is accompanied by considerable decadal variability. For the period 1993 to 2003, the rate of sea level rise is estimated from observations with satellite altimetry as 3.1 ± 0.7 mm yr–1, significantly higher than the average rate. The tide gauge record indicates that similar large rates have occurred in previous 10-year periods since 1950. It is unknown whether the higher rate in 1993 to 2003 is due to decadal variability or an increase in the longer-term trend. http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch5s5-es.html Sea levels are rising, because the earth is warming. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Yes, they do! They continually mitigate against Risks, that they think is never going to happen to them. Some of which are actually related to Climate Change OR weather OR whatever you want to call it. Almost every Business takes out all forms of insurance against many forms of Risks, some such as Storms, Cyclones/Hurricanes, Flood, Hail etc are directly or indirectly related to Climate Change already. Most businesses take out these insurances/mitigation's, even though they expect OR hope to never have need of it. IN FACT, the insurance industry is built on the reality that "Sh!t Happens", people don't expect it, but "Sh!t still Happens"! In short, people (Businesses) don't think these things exist or will be a problem for them, BUT they pay the mitigation (insurance) costs, just to be sure. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:50pm:
The hottest summer ever recorded in Australia - occurring in a year when El Nino conditions were not present - is just one more piece of evidence to be added to all the other accumulated evidence that the earth is clearly, unambiguously and undeniably warming. No matter what some some idiot in the Daily Mail writes |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:46pm KJT1981 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:51pm:
What things are you talking about? Could you provide a quote of Flannery's that you disagree with? And explain why you disagree with it? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:59pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:46pm:
Sadly Alan Jones made up a Flannery quote years ago and instead of looking it up for themselves the Tea Baggers just continue to pedal one of Jones's many lies. Im yet to see anyone post the lecture in full and Im not gonna hold my breath waiting ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:41pm:
the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years. I really dont care if you are too stupid, too pigheaded or too ignorant to accept it. It has happened. Everyone knows about it except you. time to move on. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:05pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:44pm:
actually you are wrong (again). business mitigates against ACTUAL RISK and insures against unlikely events. mitigation is against risks that are real and measurable and moderately predictable. UNlikely events such as flooding fire etc are insured against. climate change has zero predictability about it along with zero calculated odds. Businesses does not mitigate against something that has never happened nor shows any likelihood of doing so. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:08pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:59pm:
a true climate hysteric makes things up. now you are pretending that Flannery didnt say what he did. you look sillier than usual. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:33pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:05pm:
Tell that to all the businesses in the new Climate zones, in Queensland & northern NSW, as they become "uninsurable" over the next 5-10 years & they start screaming for governments to mitigate against the RISKS of them losing their Businesses, due to Climate Change. And, even by then, it will probably be too late? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:45pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:33pm:
so the floods and cyclone has nothing to do with that? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:49pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
please show us the quote You have been caught lying about this before. You really shoiuld give up. Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years. or apologise for telling lies. longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years. or apologise for telling lies. longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:00pm:
Come on Liar - your move Show us evidence that the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years. or apologise for telling lies. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:50pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:08pm:
Could you provide a quote of Flannery's that you disagree with? And explain why you disagree with it? Come on LIAR You have lied about: the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years. I suspect you are lying about Flannery too. Show us the quotes LIAR. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Carl D on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:52pm
Perth has just had it's hottest summer on record.
And, it's STILL hot!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 5:59pm:
Yes. Just like how they pathetically cling to the column by some idiot in the Daily Mail with that "no warming for 17 years" crap. I can understand if they are just stupid and gullible. But liars like longweekend have been caught out over and over again. But they still keep repeating their lies. Ask them for evidence - and they whinge and squirm and run away - but they can never show an evidence to support what they say. Liars. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:11pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:54pm:
You can call the Met Office liars if you wish but it's their numbers . Quote:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:19pm
I'm just gonna give it 48hrs and check JoNova for the fact checking of this latest BOM OMG announcement. I fully expect it will be dismantled and rammed firmly up the lazy tax payer funded data falsifying record manipulating truth distorting government funded a-holes.
I wonder if I made that clear enough.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:23pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:45pm:
Honestly Maqqa, there are some times, when I wonder what planet you come from! The increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change, has everything to do with why those areas will find some insurances increasingly difficult to obtain! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:28pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:23pm:
Doomsday cultist crystal balls are going cheap. No-one wants or believes their pedictions anymore. The cred went right out of them and the market bottomed out. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:29pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:11pm:
Are they. Show us the "Mets numbers" that say there has been no warming for 17 years. Please show us or apologise for telling lies. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:31pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:08pm:
We have no idea what you are talking about. What did Flannery say that has you so excited? Please show us the quote, and tell us why you think it is wrong. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:36pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:28pm:
You have been told for over 30 years that the earth is warming. And - surprise surprise! The earth is warming. Oceans are warming Glaciers are decreasing globally the arctic ice is melting sea levels are rising every single one of the past 17 years (and longer) has been warmer than the long term average, and now - Australia has just had the warmest summer ever recorded - and it isn't even a El Nino year!!!! Tell us - what predictions don't you believe? Why do you insist on denying simple facts? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:49pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:36pm:
and you've been told the last 17 it has stayed constant |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:51pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:23pm:
Given the data says temperature have been constant over the last 17 years - where's your proof the cyclone and floods were a direct result of climate change |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:57pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:29pm:
If you want to question the dailymail that's up to you They referenced it directly to the Met Off NASA's confirmed it IPCC confirmed it Quote:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:58pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:49pm:
Only by you. And you are an idiot. THe earth is warming. It has continued to warm for the past 17 years - the oceans continue to warm - global glacial mass balance continues to decrease - the arctic ice cap continues to decrease. - sea levels continue to rise THe earth is warming. THe opinions of an idiot columnist from the Daily Mail does not change this |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:01pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:58pm:
You go and have a good argument with the Met Office, NASA and IPCC Chairman about this |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:01pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:57pm:
Oh dear!!!! Big mouthful of lies there!!! They referenced it directly to the Met Off SHOW US NASA's confirmed it SHOW US IPCC confirmed it SHOW US Show us evidence from the 3 organisations you have just slandered that they say that there has been "no warming for 17 years" Show us - or apologise for telling lies. You have been sucked in by a Daily Mail opinion piece. And now you are telling lies. Come on champ - prove me wrong Sho us where the IPCC, NASA or the MET said there has been "no warming for 17 years" |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:01pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:58pm:
17 year pause and the models are in error. lol you cant seem to take the pain poor fella. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:01pm:
You are that stupid that you can't read the reference ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by buzzanddidj on Mar 1st, 2013 at 11:05pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:01pm:
Newspaper's claim that 'world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago' is simply wrong, says Met Office http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/oct/16/daily-mail-global-warming-stopped-wrong |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 1st, 2013 at 11:26pm buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 11:05pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:02am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:36pm:
Hey Craig Emerson, can you sing us that wyalla song but this time, can you make it about climate change. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDkO4e7-6a4 |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 7:30am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 6:49pm:
do you live in a hole, rabbit-food??? it was all over the news. look it up for yourself. even MOTR was reluctantly willing to accept that the IPCC said this. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 7:33am perceptions_now wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:23pm:
except that it ISNT increased. it is not as bad as it has been in the past. You do know that Australia is globally known as a continent either in drought or flood and rarely anything in between? none of these recent flood events are outside normal expectations. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:28am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 7:33am:
I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. Dorothea MacKellar 1883-1968 |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:39am Maqqa wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:28am:
You know now Maqqa you can't bring up such things as the historical record...no, no, no...apparently it's completely outside any sort of relevant data unless it confirms the fears of the hand wringers. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:53am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 7:33am:
Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northen NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!! I doubt they will appreciate it! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by corporate_whitey on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:59am
There is no future and no hope for Australia or the world, climate extremes are allsigns of the end of the age...you are all doomed...dispair, cry out to God for mercy while you still can you evil maggots... 8-)
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:00am perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 8:53am:
What a opportunistic, shabby pile of horse nuggets!!! Check out the Brisbane floods Feb 1893 |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:15am namnugenot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:00am:
And still not even the biggest flood recorded you have to go back even further to 1841 at a height of 8.43 meters...what was the height of the last one again...help me out perceptions :) |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Oh_Yeah on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:07am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:50pm:
Thats pretty rich longy. you are cherry picking your own data there. Six of the hottest ten summers on record have occurred this century, and only two occurred before 1990. Quote:
And there was no el nino to boost the temperature Quote:
But was this just a localised event in Australia? Quote:
So is this just land based warming? Quote:
But there has been no warming for 17 years right? Quote:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1742160/Hottest-Australian-summer-on-record-BoM |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by stryder110011 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:18am Quote:
The lefties will say and dictate anything, climate change with its doom and gloom is one of there biggest things for there relevancy since the collapse of communism 20 years ago, |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by stryder110011 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:47am Quote:
It doesnt matter to these CLIMATE CHANGE NAZIS OF THE LEFT, It doesnt matter if there is more hot weather in australia or more blizzard cold weather in europe or north america, IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WEATHER IN ANY DEGREE BECAUSE WITH THIS AND ACADEMIA BEHIND THEM, THEY WOULD SPIN ANYTHING TO LINK IT TO CLIMATE CHANGE BY MAN, THATS WHAT THEY WANT, AND THATS WHAT THEY WILL DO TILL THE DAY THEY DIE. Thats what easy to work out with these people |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 7:30am:
No it wasn't liar. You have already been proved wrong on this - yet you still lie about it. If it were all "over the news" - you would have a reference to prove it. Show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years." So far all you have shown us is a news story from The Australian that says the exact oposite of what you claim. Come on liar - if it were ALL OVER THE NEWS - Show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years." We are waiting liar. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Oh_Yeah on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:09am
Longy beleives that if he repeats a lie for long enough then it must be the truth.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:16am The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:09am:
What like wabbit who thinks 0.5 doesnt equal 0.5 after 17 years. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am namnugenot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:00am:
Tell that to those people in Queensland & Northern NSW, who have been hit multiple times, recently & who will be amongst the first to be hit by being "uninsurable" against those climate risks, that are most affecting their businesses & their very lives!!! And why is all that happening? Well, it's because of an increased frequency & intensity of Floods & Cyclones in those areas, due to Climate Change AND that governments (of all persuasions) have allowed, no they actually pushed massive Population growth, in areas that are prone to the sort of Climate Change events, that are now becoming more prevalent! So, to all those who don't believe in Climate Change, continue with your beliefs, BUT I doubt those people who will be directly &/or indirectly affected by these events will appreciate the subtlety, as their Businesses & lives are being lost on events happening now, not over a century ago! Finally, spare some thought for those people of Perth & the general South West of WA, who have now seen Climate Change first hand, for some forty years, as our rainfall has dried up & we now face our major sources of drinking water disappearing before our eyes, whilst Politicians (both Labor & liberal) STILL TALK OF ECONOMIC & POPULATION GROWTH! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:30am:
Why would you tell people in QLD that they moved into a possible monsoon trough area and where there can be muliple cyclones per season. It is up to the home buyers to determine the history of the area. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:57am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 10:48am:
good grief drongo... it has been shown to you a dozen times so far and still you dont believe. you re now officially.... A CLIMATE DENIER you are also a stupid fool who is incapable of reading. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:58am The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:09am:
well same to you... the links and the quotes have been shown an discussed dozens of times. if you are so daft and so unable to read it when it is right in front of you than its not my problem. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:11pm
New Paper: No Increase in Tropical Cyclones Over Past 200 Years
Date: 01/03/13 The Hockey Schtick A paper published today in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology reconstructs tropical cyclones in Queensland, Australia and finds that “tropical cyclone frequency did not increase in the past 200 years.” The paper adds to many other peer-reviewed publications demonstrating that, contrary to the claims of climate alarmists, tropical cyclones have not increased, and in many cases have decreased due to warming, and are projected to further decrease in the future. Reconstructing tropical cyclone frequency using hydrogen isotope ratios of sedimentary n-alkanes in northern Queensland, Australia - See more at: http://www.thegwpf.org/paper-finds-increase-tropical-cyclones-200-years/#sthash.KoBMb9Cr.dpuf Just something else for the warmist deniers to deny... :D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:13pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:36am:
It is apparent that words such as - Change uninsurable frequency intensity mean nothing to you, BUT I AM SURE THEY DO, TO THOSE PEOPLE AFFECTED, BY WHAT IS HAPPENING & WILL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:16pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:
It is apparent you are a doomsdayer and have no clue on the history of weather or climate in that area. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:29pm Rider wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:11pm:
it is just another of those peer-reviewed papers that MOTR says have not been published. and if it does admit to publication the next step is to claim the author is without validity, all of which is still vastly superior to rabbit-foods response which will be to say we are lying and no such report was ever produced, Climate hysterics... ironically, they are actually climate DENIERS while those they call deniers are actually no more than SCEPTICS - a trait found in every scientific discipline other than climatology. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:30pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:13pm:
A even bigger steaming pile of horse nuggets...I live in northern NSW on a river so don't lecture me. And you still havn't answered my question how high the latest flood was or even the biggest recently for say Brisbane as my example of flood heights.... The absolute reason these floods have been so damaging is directly attributable in that part of the world to people being allowed to build well below even the 1974 flood contours and Wivenhoe dam being run exclusively as a water storage and not as was trumpeted when it was built as a flood mitigation dam. So this failure is one exclusively of planning not climate. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:29pm:
Exactly. I've just been ready about the global cooling scare of the '70's....same rhetoric, just a different bogey. Unbuggeringbelievable ar$ewipes, these so called scientists should be mopping up spilt cokes in Maccas ... |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:56pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:30pm:
Each flood behaves differently as well, add human induced 'town planning' and we have what we see today. Once apon a time houses in flood areas used to be significantly cheaper to buy, but because we are 'smarter' now people thought that didn't matter, well its a wake up call isn't it. If i can just correct you a little re Wivenhoe - it works perfectly as a water supply, at 100% of its water supply limit it still has capacity to hold back an additional equivalent amount of water, ie. it holds 200% when the mitigation level is reached, and it did the other year....that was a case of human induced poor management in that a whole wet season (it started raining in Nov and didn't stop till Feb) was held back, a poor stategy of avoiding a low level flood which in turn meant a high level flood was ultimately inevitable. Every one who lived in Brissy knows this, the water managers squirrelled out of it, but we know what happenned and why. And yes, some property will be in the future, uninsurable, that is a simple fact, you might be able to insure, but it will be priced accordingly. Bad luck, that's why your property was cheaper than the one up on the hill. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:22pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:16pm:
No, it is simply a matter of understanding that reality happens! As I have said previously, I spent over 40 years in the financial sector, mostly in general insurance AND THAT INDUSTRY IS BUILT ON THE FACT THAT SH!T HAPPENS!! The insurance industry has a primary interest in "weather" Climate Change is real or not & I can tell you, THEY DO & THEY ARE ALREADY VOTING ECONOMICALLY WITH DRASTIC INCREASES TO COVER COSTS & IN SOME AREAS THEY ARE ALREADY DECLINING COVERS & IN SOME INSTANCES SIMPLY DECLINING TO INSURE IN CERTAIN AREAS. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:23pm Rider wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:56pm:
I used to live in Brissie...but havn't since 87. I also remember them building Wivenhoe Dam post the 5.5 meter flood that was about 3 meters less than the one in 1841 and also much, much smaller that a couple of others a single month in 1893. If Wivenhoe was purely a flood mitigation dam then there may have been some excuse for developing flood prone land but it wasn't. Most of the people would have no real idea that the land they are building on is flood prone in the first place. My parents house was about 2 kilometers from the Brisbane River and was 2 stories and flooded level with the roof. Should another flood of the magnitude of those in the 1800's occur, and it will, then lots of people are going to die without a doubt and this is something that is known one hundred percent and totally avoidable but the "planners", government, etc have chosen to develop land and profit from it in those circumstances. Now those same people are telling me that they want to tax me (but not those overseas) because of "climate change" and that will "save" us...f'off, what a bunch of wankers. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:29pm Rider wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 12:45pm:
I suggest you do some more reading, as COOLING IS WHAT COMES AFTER PEAK WARMING, any look at our past will confirm that! AND, sudden change is not only possible, it has already happened in the past. You would also do well to look at the influences of ocean currents, particularly the Atlantic current. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:36pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:22pm:
Don't blame the climate for piss poor planning decisions. You let thousands build in the bush, wonderful, you institute "no burn"regimes, or drastically curtail burn offs and hazard reduction and ensure that you have catastrophic fires instead of more regular much more manageable cooler burns. You develop flood prone land and what do you know people get flooded. You even had a Council in Sydney in collusion with the state government develop land contaminated with radioactivity that did not find any need to tell purchasers of the risk and there are a host of other examples of the development of sites known to be contaminated. And what a surprise you used to sell insurance... ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 11:57am:
Surprise surprise - the same old liar response!!! it has been shown to you a dozen times so far No it hasn't liar. And if it has - you can easily show me one more time. Why don't you do that liar? We all know the answer dont we Show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years." Still waiting liar. You have shown us a newspaper report form the Australian that says the exact opposite of this. Now we are waiting for you to show us your reference that "the IPCC has said that there has been no warming in the past 17 years." Stop running away liar. Show us the reference. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:45pm perceptions_now wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:29pm:
More a case of a changing insurance industry than it is in any supposed man made climate change as there is nothing unusual historically in what is occuring in those regions. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:48pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:02pm:
I can't read any non-existant reference You have claimed that the MET, NASA and the IPCC has all said there has been "no warming for 17 years". Show us a reference for this. I know you are lying. You know you are lying (that is why you cannot show a reference) We all know you are lying. THere is no reference for your claims, is there. But you decided to tell the lie anyway. Do you really think you are fooling anyone? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:59pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:23pm:
Absolutely agree, spent the last 10yrs in Bris, a lot of folks have the 'Wivenhoe Syndrome', ie. no flood will ever affect Bris like pre Wivenhoe days...which is simply incorrect. I'm sure the post Wivenhoe attitude has relaxed planning criteria, and we see more and more development in flood prone areas as you've said. A lot of extra damage is due to people building in under their existing and new highset Qlder style homes - they were meant to be clear underneath for a reason....which people now see. Hence higher costs to repair and consequently insure. Having worked in property finance i can say that pre flood there was little or no difference in property prices for homes in flood areas as opposed to non flood, I think a lot of folks believed that no flood would ever be as high as '74. Prob they acknowledge that flooding would occur, but not to the same extent. I hope this is no longer the case, and that people are discounting the cost of flod prone housing by the cost of self insuring...I might be dreaming ::) Just remember that Wivenhoe has no impact on the Bremer River system as it is below the dam, and as the 2011and the '74 floods were significantly impacted by these waters it is clear that post '74 built Wivenhoe can only mitigate at best. Oh, and without Wivenhoe as a water supply I'd hate to have lived in Brisbane for the past 10 years....seeing as Kevin Rudd had dustbinned the Wolfdene dam proposal when he was chief of staff for Goss. And i agree, nothing abnormal about a wet season in a sub tropical location...the warming cause (cult) needs its 'useful idiots' and we seem to have 'em in spades. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:00pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:48pm:
read thru this thread, you stupid turd. it has been quoted several times plus there is an entire thread dedicated to it. IM not going to quote it AGAIN because you will simply say it isnt there AGAIN. you are a serial liar and getting worse. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:10pm namnugenot wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 2:36pm:
1) You give ME far to much credit, I didn't do any of those things, except evaluate Risks & provide individuals & Businesses with appropriate advice on how best to mitigate against those Risks AND I WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING SO, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS & BUSINESSES THAT TOOK MY ADVICE! 2) I have already said that the Politicians (Federal, State & Local) have provided very poor planning. In particular now, they are all still insistent on Population Growth & exponentia Growth, even in areas that are now obviously affected by Climate Change. 3) If you have No or inappropriate "burn off" regimes in your area, THEN You need to change that regime. In WA our Politicians may have actually gone too far the other way, by forcing burn offs to reach required levels, which have then actually caused bush fires because their forcing came at very inapprpriate times! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by olde.sault on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:30pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:19pm:
Trust me, if the oceans and deserts are heating, it is not for what humans do-- Fortunately, deep oceans and deserts still take up more of the world's space than we. We emit only 3% of carbon DIOXIDE that is not even recorded as a pollutant. Stop harping on a falsehood! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:39pm olde.sault wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:
No - I don't think I will trust an idiot. It is very clear that anthropogenic emissions are causing the planet to warm. To deny this is simply stupid. olde.sault wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:
Anthropogenic emissions have caused atmospheric CO2 levels to increase from roughly 300ppm to 400ppm over the past century or so. This si a very significant increase. And CO2 is a pollutant. Anthropogenic CO2 emissions are having a negative impact on society an ecosystems by impacting upon global climate. This is why it is a pollutant. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 5:31pm
So..why do you bleeding heart Greenies think that treating the Earths atmosphere as an open sewer for well over 100 yrs would cause any problems?
We know from our pristine land, oceans and rivers that we can dump any amount of pollution into them without ever noticing it..bloody tree huggers :D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by alevine on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 5:32pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 5:31pm:
Agree. That's why this weekend, as just a bit of fun we're going out and chopping down trees! It's the Tree Chopping Party!! With XXXX! :) |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 5:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 3:00pm:
Show us where the IPCC, NASA or the MET said there has been "no warming for 17 years" Come on liar. If it "has been quoted several times plus there is an entire thread dedicated to it." It should be a simple matter to cut and paste and show us all where the IPCC, NASA or the MET said there has been "no warming for 17 years" Why can't you show us? A simple cut and paste to show us you are not a liar Show us all where the IPCC, NASA or the MET said there has been "no warming for 17 years" Why can't you do it? We both know the answer - don't we. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:10pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:50pm:
If you are under 27 you are yet to experience a below average summer. This was the hottest summer on record. But what makes it more exceptional is that it was not an El Niño year. Quote:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 5:24am
If you are under 27 you are yet to experience a below average summer.
This was the hottest summer on record. But what makes it more exceptional is that it was not an El Niño year. Meaningless statistic, and so what? For a refreshing change, pop over to JoNova and read a thoughtful deconstruct of the BOM's panic headline. The BOM's job is done, they've inserted a headline into the empty heads of the useful idiots who now spread the word as per above. When the useful idiots can provide empirical evidence that man made co2 will create the levels of feedbacks required by the climate models in order to induce catestrophic man made global warming it will indeed be a cold day in hell. Seeing as records show co2 rises occur after warming periods it seems to fail even the common sense rule doesn't it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 6:53am MOTR wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:10pm:
If you are under 5000 your still going to be right. What's your point? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:21am
My point is that we are experiencing a rapid shift in our climate that can only be explained by rising atmospheric CO2. A very important driver of climate change in the past. Unless we reduce the amount of CO2 we are spewing into the atmosphere we are going to experience a rather uncomfortable climate shift.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:51am MOTR wrote on Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:10pm:
apart from the three summers prior to this last one which were all cooler. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:55am MOTR wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:21am:
from a purely logical point of view that is an epic failure. That argument assumes you know all the drivers of climate and very obviously we dont. it is also an epic fail from basic science which has demonstrated that while CO2 can be a minor driver of warming it is mainly a following INDICATOR that warming has happened. And since we have only just realised that what we understand about solar radiant forcing has been basically completely wrong perhaps we should hold off on blaming CO2 until we actually DO understand the role the sun has been playing - especially since any increase in temperature would always cause you to look at solar activity first. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 10:32am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:51am:
Cooler than what? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 10:34am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:55am:
What drivers then, Longy. We know it's not the sun. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 12:53pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:55am:
You have claimed that the IPCC, NASA and the UK MET have all claimed that there has been no global warming for 17 years. Why do you run away every time you are asked for evidence of this? You have given us the old standard liar response: "it has been quoted several times" No it hasn't liar. If it had - I wouldn't be asking. All you have shown us is an article from The Australian which paraphrases the head of the IPCC saying the exact opposite of what you claim. You have claimed that the IPCC, NASA and the UK MET have all claimed that there has been no global warming for 17 years. Show us the evidence of this or please apologise for telling lies. You really need to realise that you cannot just tell lies like this. For a start - you are really bad at it. You get caught every time - and this childish running away you do is just pathetic. Don't you think it is time you grew up a bit and tried telling the truth for a change? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 1:12pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:51am:
No - not quite. the last 2 summers were cool in Australia - due to the extreme La Nina, but 2009/10 was warmer than average. However globally - MOTR is absolutely correct. If you are under 27 - you have never lived through a month with below average temperatures globally. November 2012 also marks the 36th consecutive November and 333rd consecutive month with global temperature higher than the long-term average. The last month with a below average temperature was February 1985, nearly 28 years ago. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/11 ANd the last year where the average global temperature had an negative annual temperature anomaly was 1976! THis is because the planet is warming. Despite what your mate at the Daily Mail writes in his columns - the planet is warming, it has been warming for the past 17 years - and beyond. And - The IPCC says this. NASA says this. And the UK MET says this - despite the lies that your make Longweekend keeps telling the Planet is warming. To deny this is really stupid. To deny this based on a column you read in the Daily Mail is simply retarded. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 2:49pm
I see we are arguing over 0.1 of a degree with temperature data dating back to the 1800's
How accurate are temperature readings and how accurate were the readers? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:10pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 2:49pm:
I see you still have not told us why you claimed that the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years" Please show use evidence of this. Or apologise for lying to the forum. Simple cut and paste will do. Show us where the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". Don't run away this time. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:59pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:10pm:
I've already posted the article - it's up to you to question the author and not me |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 4:03pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:59pm:
The author was caught out misrepresenting a scientific paper's position on global warming and sea level rises not that long ago. The same author paraphrased the UN's climate chief rather than providing his readers with a direct quote in the article you posted. Is that the article you are hanging your position on? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 4:11pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:59pm:
No. You haven't posted any article which shows that "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". All you have posted is a piece from a very unreliable source, where the journalist provides no actual quotes from anyone. Despite this - what he does actually say is that Pachuri, upon acknowleding taht there has been a pause in the rise of maximun surface air temperatures, he said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend. Even the journalist form The Australian did not claim that "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". Yet you are lying and saying that he did! Is this all you have? This piece from The Australian with no actual quotes? Is this all you are basing your lie: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". on?!?!? I think it is about time you apologised for telling lies. You really are a disgrace. Your mother would be ashamed. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 5:22pm
Maqqa rarely has any real proof for most of his claims which isn't a shock when we consider that he thinks its fine to treat the Earths atmosphere as an open sewer.
I wonder what he's going to tell his Grand kids when they ask him what side he was on? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 5:54pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 4:11pm:
I didn't write the article |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 6:07pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 5:22pm:
Being a crack head it obviously forgot the age old art of not touching it after 30! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 6:13pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 5:54pm:
Didn't say you did. We are asking you why you wrote: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". when you have absolutely no evidence to support this. Why did you tell an outright lie like that? Who did you think you would fool? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:23pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:38pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:
You are more stupid that anyone bother giving credit for Go back to the original post and see my reference |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:48pm
Remind you of anyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7cVFY_LCg&sns=em |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:24pm MOTR wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:48pm:
Yes - the whole ALP front bench during QT if you don't like it - then ask Labor not to do it |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by perceptions_now on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:32pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:38pm:
Are you sure your ok, Maqqa? There's no reference in your original/following post, to the IPCC, the UK MET or NASA, it's only the OZ Bureau of Meteorology! Honestly, I'm getting concerned, quite a bit of your current SPIN, isn't a patch on some of your older work! How about taking a couple of "Bex" and take each weekend off, say for the next month or even 12 months. I'm sure you can afford the salary reduction? Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:15pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:37pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 8:57pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:07pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:38pm:
THe reference in the original opening post? The reference in your opening post says: Normally, a hot summer like the one just gone would be accompanied by hotter than normal temperatures in the central and eastern Pacific Ocean - an El Nino summer, in other words. But Dr Trewin says this year ocean temperatures were average. "That's quite unusual for a summer like this," he said. "If we look at previous very hot summers in Australia before this year, six of the eight hottest summers on record had occurred during El Nino years. "So the fact that we've got such a hot summer without having an El Nino makes it in some ways even more exceptional." http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/16275763/australia-breaks-hottest-summer-record/ It certainly does not say: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". No - that is a lie you told. THis is why you cannot provide a reference to support your statement. You moan and bitch and whinge and say "I al ready have" - but you are convincing nobody. That is what a liar says. If you were telling the truth. You would cut and paste and prove me wrong instantly! But you can't, can you. You are telling lies. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:08pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 7:23pm:
Are you climbing on the wagon with the liar? Can you show us where : "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:18pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:37pm:
bump[/quote] You are quoting the bloke from The Australian. The Australian tells lies. Do you really need to be shown evidence of this? You claimed: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". Please show us evidence of this. The IPCC has not said there has been "no warming for 17 years. Even by your own reference, Pachuri said: "it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend." The UK MET has not said that there has been no warming for 17 years : the MET said (in response to your mate David Rose): Climate change can only be detected from multi-decadal timescales due to the inherent variability in the climate system. If you use a longer period from HadCRUT4 the trend looks very different. For example, 1979 to 2011 shows 0.16°C/decade (or 0.15°C/decade in the NCDC dataset, 0.16°C/decade in GISS). Looking at successive decades over this period, each decade was warmer than the previous – so the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s, and the 2000s were warmer than both. Eight of the top ten warmest years have occurred in the last decade. http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-october-2012/ And NASA have certainly never said "there has been "no warming for 17 years" - I assume you just made that up. So LIAR You claimed: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". When are you going to sho us evidence of this? Of apologise for being a LIAR |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:20pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:37pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:22pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 8:37pm:
bump[/quote] Please tell us who said there is A PAUSE in global temperature rises, confirmed by the British Met Office and NASA climate scientist James Hanson, You are quoting this crap. You now own it. Show us some "scepticism" Where did these "quotes" come from. Come on Maqqa - prove to us you are not a brain -dead internet bot that just reposts crap that the Liberal party pays you to repost. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:25pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:08pm:
der. Stick to politics emerson. Atleast there you have the labor party behind you. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:42pm
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:42pm
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:43pm
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:43pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:25pm:
Own up Progs. Are you with the liar of not? Do you agree with the liar that "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". Nail yuor colours to the mast Progs. Are you agreeing with the liar? Or are you choosing sanity?[/quote] |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 4th, 2013 at 12:30am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:43pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:14am Maqqa wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:20pm:
It's already been well established that the author of the article you keep on quoting has a problem with comprehension. He does not provide direct quotes in his article, rather he reinterprets what he thinks they have said. We don't want a shills reinterpretation we want a direct quote, Maqqa. Now either admit that you are wrong or provide direct evidence. Honestly, Maqqa, does it look like the atmospheric warming has stopped. See how 1998 sticks out like dogs balls. And that's ignoring what's happening in our oceans where 90% of the heat is accumulating. You won't find direct quotes because none of the bodies you refer to believe global warming has stopped. Nature isn't interested in statistical games, it just responds. It's why there is less permafrost than there was 17 years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLCgybStZ4g&sns=em |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:22am MOTR wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:14am:
Interesting Hanson and Miller both work for NASA that probably cause more CO2 emissions per employee than the vast majority of industries globally. So their hypocrites first and foremost. Secondly the climate change industry is built around statistical games.Third are you using permafrost as a proxy for temperature and extrapolating it to the whole globe...? Because if you are in keeping with you statement that these scientific methods (proxies/reconstructions) do not provide any answers as in "no proof that it was hotter " then you have also no proof of historical thawing/refreezing.either. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:26am
honestly MOTR
I was accused of making up the NASA and IPCC statement when I didn't I quoted the article - so if you have a problem with the Australian article then take it up with the author |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by olde.sault on Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:49pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:15pm:
My daughter and I felt cold most of the last summer with the exception of three days of record-breaking heat. That's how many days we switched on the air conditioner! Alan Jones said the same this morning - three hot days and the rest moderate. Of course the mad lefties trumpet "global warming" That is just to justify their inane predictions of terrible heat. How about Flannery's "not enough rain to fill dams"? A cricket bat at the lot of them would straighten them out. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:15pm olde.sault wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:49pm:
Some seriously confected nonsense from the BoM. See JoNova website for a clinical deconstruction of this latest piece of propaganda. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Doctor Jolly on Mar 4th, 2013 at 4:27pm Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Jo Nova! ha ha. She has less credibility than screaming not-a Lord Monckton. Seriously, where do you deniers dig these people up from ? If you spent a 1/1000th of the time reviewing these deniers sites as you do the science, you'd throw the lot out. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:15pm olde.sault wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 2:49pm:
I hadn't used the air conditioner for 4 years before this year and only used it for 5 days in the whole summer. Thats pretty good going for a country burning up from AGW co2 BS. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Data manipulation is the order of the day for these government organisations around the world. There is only so much cooling the past and warming the present they can do. The only reason we have a pause in 17 years is because they have done so much manipulation, they couldnt do any more or be outright exposed by their own manipulation. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:22pm Maqqa wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:26am:
You certainly did make up IPCC statement. You lied. You said: "the IPCC, the UK MET and NASA have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years". THe article from THe Australian says nothing of the sort. But you now appear to be admitting at least that you are really, really stupid and gullible to be sucked in by a crap article. Why you added the lie about "the IPCC,.. have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years" though cannot be put down to your stupidity. That was just plain dishonest. What the article actually attributed to Pachuri was: he said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend. NOT: "the IPCC,.. have "confirmed" there has been "no warming for 17 years" You lied |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:18pm:
THere has been no pause in global warming for 17 years. Oceans have continued to warm Glacial mass balance has continued to decline The arctic ice cap has continued to decline Sea levels have continued to rise. Every single one of the past 17 years has had an average global surface temperature greater than the long term average THis would not happen if there was a pause in global warming for 17 years. Stop believing Daily Mail columnists. You have been sucked in. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:56pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 6:25pm:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:00pm Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 3:15pm:
Heh! Good idea! What would those scientists at the BOM know? Let's ask a children's television presenter instead! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Rider on Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:23pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:00pm:
Just sit up straight, hands in front so we can see them, watch and learn bunnykins. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 4th, 2013 at 8:46pm Rider wrote on Mar 4th, 2013 at 7:23pm:
Have you read The Wiggles last paper on the subject? It is marvellous. And Humphry B Bear's "Global Warming and the Trouserless Ursine" is wonderful. I am sure you will be quoting them soon for us. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 7th, 2013 at 5:54pm
well as usual, rabbit-hole is down the rabbit hole imagining a world where no one disagrees with him. UNfortunately the people who disagree with you include the MET, NASA and IPCC who all state - as have most scientists - that there has been a pause in global temperatures for 17 years'
get over it. you have been comprehensively OWNED! |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm
Just dont lie to your grand kids about which side you were on Longy..
Apart from that..the world has moved on and the denialists have been left behind |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 7th, 2013 at 6:16pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm:
the 'denialists' are now officially those that deny 'The Warming Pause'. These are the people and posters who, despite irrefutable evidence and the admission of climatology's top scientific bodies, still claim that this warming pause has not happened. And going even better, they even claim that the admissions that it haas happened, DIDNT HAPPEN! in truly bizarre style, they say that the things in black and white dont actually exist. If it were SOB, you'd understand it, but no, it is people who used to actaully posses a brain. and you adelcrow are on the 'once had a brain' list. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:30pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 5:54pm:
17 years ago, 1998 was an extremely hot El Niño fuelled year. It was infact the hottest year on record. Today, it's the new norm. Just wait till the next El Niño. Amongst climate scientists, only a handful of mavericks aren't convinced the long term trend won't continue. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 7th, 2013 at 8:26pm MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 7:30pm:
You are going to be waiting a while. The real driver of climate is taking a breather. Solar Cycle 24 will be 17 years long and the longest solar cycle for 300 years |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 7th, 2013 at 8:43pm
Talking about Ninos and Ninas
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:24am
On one hand we have the worlds most respected business people, scientists and political leaders and on the other we have an old shock jock whos main claims to fame are being sprung giving an old bloke a reach around in a London public toilet and starting race riots in Cronulla.
The denialists can bow down to Alan Jones while the rest of the world gets down to fixing climate change. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by adelcrow on Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:29am
There is of course the argument that we should wait until India and China move on carbon pollution but we are talking about two countries that pour raw sewerage down their open drains, dump billions of tonnes of toxic waste into their waterways, land and airspace and use the greater part of their populations as bonded slave labour.
Are this the examples the denialists are putting up as ideals? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 8th, 2013 at 12:55pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Not at all, I particularly look at the content and quality of the "science" and also what these "respected" people say to each other. http://foia2011.org/ Al Gore's Inconvenient untruths as ruled by the courts in the UK...etc, etc, etc. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:08pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:24am:
Interesting. How, exactly, do you intend to fix climate change? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by greggerypeccary on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:09pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 7th, 2013 at 6:02pm:
Care to expand on your "grand kids" comment? What exactly are you implying? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:12pm adelcrow wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 11:29am:
Lets say your 100% correct...what do you think we get to keep our reduced emissions atmosphere. It may have escaped your notice but the atmosphere is global. Even if we reduce to zero you do the calculations... |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by chicken_lipsforme on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:22pm
The global warming soothsayers also predicted an increase in the amount of cyclones and in their severity up here in the north.
We are still waiting, and the wet season is over in a few weeks. They might need new tea leaves, the old computer models just aren't up to the task. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by olde.sault on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:25pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:22pm:
Please tell us who said there is A PAUSE in global temperature rises, confirmed by the British Met Office and NASA climate scientist James Hanson, You are quoting this crap. You now own it. Show us some "scepticism" Where did these "quotes" come from. Come on Maqqa - prove to us you are not a brain -dead internet bot that just reposts crap that the Liberal party pays you to repost. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by namnugenot on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:26pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:22pm:
Prior to that didn't they predict we'd run out of water...how's that working out? ;D |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by olde.sault on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:27pm olde.sault wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:25pm:
[/quote] Nobody as madly stubborn than lefties (Gillard's suckettes!) I've heard Prof. Bob Carter, Prof. Plimer, other eminents say that leftards aren't telling the truth. There has not been any warming for 17 years. Last summer we had about 5 hot days, 3 of which were record-breaking. Other days had lower than average temperatures. My daughter and I switched on our air conditioner for three of these days and were (economically) tolerant during the other days. The worst is if a hot day doesn't cool after sunset. That usually happens when the wind is blowing from north west wastelands. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 8th, 2013 at 7:06pm
you have to give the ACC hysterics their due. They have sold a lot of people on the blatant lie and done it well. Now if only their science was as good as their marketing!
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:02am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 7:06pm:
The only blatant lie I have see here is you claiming that the IPCC have said there has been no warming for 17 years. When asked why you told that lie - you show us an article from The Australian that contains no quotes from the IPCC, buts implies that the head of the IPCC said the exact opposite of what you claim. Why did you tell that lie? Are you very dishonest? Or just really stupid? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by FRED. on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:07am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:02am:
Maybe he's a closet lefty ;) |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:08am olde.sault wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
If you heard Prof. Bob Carter, Prof. Plimer say there has not been any warming for 17 years, then they are wrong. And you probably should stop listening to Alan Jones or wherever you may have heard that crap. THere has been warming for the past 17 years. it is clear and unambiguous. The oceans are warming. Glaciers are melting The arctic ice cap is melting The troposphere is warming And in every single one of the past 17 years, the surface temperature has been higher than the long term average. The earth is warming. olde.sault wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
Yes - last summer was impacted by La Nina, which makes it cooler than normal. However - even though last summer was a La Nina year - it was sill the 11th warmest summer on record. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/archive/201202.summary.shtml The summer just gone was the hottest ever recorded, and we are still not even in El Nino yet. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:12am FRED. wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:07am:
Maybe. But you you think he is a very dishonest person to tell lies like he does? Or simply a very stupid person who does not even realise he is telling lies? He claimed that the IPCC have said there has been no warming for 17 years. When asked why he told that lie - he showed us an article from The Australian that contains no quotes from the IPCC, buts implies that the head of the IPCC said the exact opposite of what he claimed. I guess, if he is a very dishonest person, that would not rule out that he may be a very stupid person as well. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:12am rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:02am:
as a student of psychology and published author in the discipline, it is quite fascinating watching your complete paranoid delusion in operation. the quotes have been shown to you time and time again yet you seem literally unable to see them. You adopt a position and no facts are able to dissuade you. In fact, you dont even accept that they exist. Your mental illness is much more interesting than corpulant_whineys paranoid delusions and wharfys gardne variety insanity. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:14am
Resorting to ad hominem again, longy. You really are a disappointment.
I guess it must be easier than cutting and pasting. FFS, longy. All you need to do is cut and paste. How much longer are you going to continue this charade. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:23am chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 8th, 2013 at 1:22pm:
Errr...no - nobody has predicted an increase in the amount of cyclones in the north. You are either mistaken, or trying to set up a silly straw man What has been predicted is: Australian region studies indicate a likely increase in the proportion of the tropical cyclones in the more intense categories, but a possible decrease in the total number of cyclones. http://climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/documents/resources/TR_Web_Ch5iv.pdf This is being observed: Trends in tropical cyclone activity in the Australian region (south of equator; 105 - 160°E) show that the total number of cyclones has decreased in recent decades. However, the number of stronger cyclones (minimum central pressure less than 970 hPa) has not declined. http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/climatology/trends.shtml Please don't make things up. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:26am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:12am:
CTRL-X/CTRL-V Easy as that . Show us that you were not telling a lie when you wrote that the IPCC said there was no warming for 17 years. We have seen the article from The Australian that doesn't say that at all. So now, please tell us why you told that lie. Did you think that that was what the article from The Australian actually said? Is that is?!?! Come on, own up. We won't think any less of you if you admit to being a bit thick. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:33am MOTR wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:14am:
the pasting has bene done time and time again as you yourself know. that the IPCC cheif said that there had been a 17 year paus in global warming is not indispute as even you have admitted it as such. james Hansen - an ACC luminary - has said the same thing - as you already know. What good do you think it does to your credibility to support this rabbit-clown in his idiotic denial of the blatently proven? Why not admit that he is a moron and move on. Im happy to ignore nutjobs like monkton etc. why dont you ditch support for your side's embarrasing twats and move on as well. since you accept that the IPCC said these things why dont YOU try and convince rabbit-droppings of it. perhaps you will have more luck than the rest of us or maybe you too will discover his paranoid delusional state. your choice. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:28am
It doesn't help misrepresenting my position.
I've made my position very clear. A statistical pause in surface temperatures does not represent a pause in global warming. The physics has not changes. Our oceans are heating up and it won't be long before some of this heat is transferred to our atmosphere. I can't find any fault in Rabbitoh's argument. It seems, Longy, that your whole argument is based on Lloyd's paraphrasing. It would be very easy for you to prove otherwise. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 11:51am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:33am:
Show us the quote liar. Don't run away CTRL-x/CTRL-V Show us the quote longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:33am:
Show us the quote liar. Don't run away CTRL-x/CTRL-V Show us the quote |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm MOTR wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:28am:
this entire debate has nothing to do with your position. it actually boils down to whether or not you believe the IPCC cheif said there had been apause of 17 years in warming, he did. you've seen the quotes. Hansen also accepts it. This stupid deabte isnt on what the pause means or even unbelievably if the pause has happened but rather did the IPCC day it had happened. BTW your first sentence acknowledges it has happened. So how can you possibly support rabbit-turds and his idiotic circular argument? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 5:46pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
He didn't. The article your reference claimed he said the exact opposite. It claimed he said: said it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend. You lied. longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
No LIAR. We haven't seen the quotes. So please show us. CTRL-X/CTRL-V Easy as that Please show us longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
Show us evidence of this liar. CTRL-X/CTRL-V Easy as that Please show us longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
This is not a "debate" Longy. You were caught red-handed telling lies. Simple as that. And you are too gutless to admit that you read an article in The Australian, misunderstood what it said - and then started telling lies about it. longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
MOTR said: I've made my position very clear. A statistical pause in surface temperatures does not represent a pause in global warming. and he is 100% correct. You really don't understand, do you? You really are that stupid, aren't you? You have been sucked in by The Australian, have not understood a single word you read - and now use it as an excuse to tell silly lies. You really are pathetic. How about you grow up a bit, stop telling lies - and actually try to learn a little bit about the subject you are trying to discuss? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:57pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 5:46pm:
der, just der OMFG :D ::) |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:13pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 8:57pm:
Hav eyou got anything intelligent to say? You keep running away like a whiny little girl when asked a question Still waiting for you to explain how the earth could have stopped warming when all physical indicators say otherwise Why do you tell lies and then run away? Gutless little prick that you are? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:15pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:13pm:
Oceans are fairly flat in temps 10yrs 0 - 700mtrs. Lower Atmosphere is fairly flat in temps 17years. I dont run away from the question. I run away from the doomsday cult loons. When it comes to co2, it is the atmosphere you watch to see what it is doing. Is flat as a tack and co2 is going up and up. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:27am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
Why is progs pretending the oceans are only 700m deep. If the oceans temperatures have been flat over the past 10 years, why has there been no drop off in thermal expansion. Why have our sea levels risen over this period of time. Well, it's because our oceans are much deeper than 700m, and in recent years this has been where the heat has been accumulating. We actually have data for the band between 700m and 2000m. Quite a substantial amount of data. While data coverage is 50% less than the 0-700m band, it's more than enough to get a very good picture. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:30am
Let's amuse progs and pretend the ocean is only 700m deep. If most of the heat is accumulating in the oceans, why is he claiming warming stopped 17 years ago, when he appears to accept the oceans have warmed significantly in this period of time.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:31am |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:18pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:30am:
significantly???? you need to use a scale that is ultra small to even show the increase. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:22pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
Longy, stop being a climate change denier. you are forgiven namaste |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:27pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:18pm:
Go on, Longy. Tell us the period of time and how much heat you are talking about. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:37pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:27pm:
has it ever occured to you that for millenia past the oceans have bene heatsinks and temperature controllers over the variations in climatic conditions? the biosphere has suddenly started absorbing temperature into the oceans including colder deeper water coming up to the surface to improve heat absorption. So what does it mean?? it means that we suddenly discover that the oceasns absorb temperture and then make outlandish assumptions on what it means. The biosphere is extraordinaly self regulating and moderating. Temperature rises from whatever means are handled automatically by feeback systems we know nothing about and in our arrogance, ignore. it is more than probable that whatever the real reasons are for the recent moderate increases in temperature, that the biosphere is respoding with its feedback systems to moderate it. what we have zero evidence for is this notion of tipping points or catastrophic climate change. none whatsoever. all of these predictions are based on no response from the biosphere when there is clearly a great deal of it going on. i have zero concern over ACC because i see zero evidence of any climate change outside of historical norms. It has been hotter in the past, wetter and drier as well as colder. I still see no evidence of any tendency for climate to exceed these historical ranges. none at all. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Oh_Yeah on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:41pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 5:27am:
Because he uses cherry picked data, and he does it all the time. That is where this so called 17 year pause has come from. It is a common tactic. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:43pm The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:41pm:
The 17 year pause is MET data. If they and you dont know that 0.5 equals 0.5, then you and they are the dummies. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by bobbythebat1 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:44pm
Longweekend,
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Melbourne is boiling at the moment - day after day of high heat. It's already ruined my 3 day long weekend. Your name just reminds me of it. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:14pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 1:37pm:
That clears things up considerably. You have a faith based position. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:22pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:14pm:
AGW unproven = doomsday cultists are faith based believers. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:59pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:14pm:
you have an odd idea of what a 'faith based position' is. it is not faith to believe that the biosphere is self-regulating with a complex set of feedback mechanisms that regulate our environment. it is in fact a commonly held understanding. the problem with your lot of hysterics is that if you dont understand it and cant define it then it doesnt exist. That is why you simply cant cope with the 17 year pause in temperatures. you dont understand it, you dont expect it and therefore you just deny it. do you think the notion of a self-regulating biosphere is so difficult? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 6:39pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:59pm:
Not only do you have a faith based position, but you appear to be happy to tell lies to promote your "beliefs". You claimed that : the IPCC cheif said that there had been a 17 year paus in global warming Still waiting to see the quote Don't run away CTRL-x/CTRL-V The only reference you have shown us so far says the exact opposite to what you claim. It claimed he said: it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend. You appear to have been caught red-handed telling lies. Don't you think is about time you owned up to this? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 6:46pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
Can you explain to us why you blindly believe the Daliy Mail columnists silly opinion piece about "no global warming for 17 years" when: oceans continue to warm? sea levels continue to rise? the arctic ice cap continues to decrease? global glacial mass balance continues to decrease? every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. Why are these things happening if - as your guru from the Daily Mail claims - there has been "no warming for 17 years" You keep running away from this question. Why? Can't your guru from the Daily Mail answer it? I guess this is the problem when you get all of your opinions from journalists and shock jocks, isn't it. When faced with a simple question based on logic - it all falls apart and makes you look like an idiot. Please tell us why: oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise the arctic ice cap continues to decrease global glacial mass balance continues to decrease every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. if there has been "no warming for 17 years" don't run away again. Try to answer this time. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:10pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 6:46pm:
same crap, different day. you are just too stupid to read or understand. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:11pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 6:46pm:
I dont see where you get this david rose thing from. I refer to math. 0.5 = 0.5 and I have already answered this same question 3 times now and you just ignore it, so stuff u |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:03pm
You Are Here
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:35pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
No you haven't "answered this same question 3 times now". Don't tell lies. If you had you would link to where you have done this. But you can't can you. You are just trying to run away again. Please answer the question: Please tell us why: oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise the arctic ice cap continues to decrease global glacial mass balance continues to decrease every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. if there has been "no warming for 17 years" Or if you claim to have "answered this same question 3 times now" - show us an example. Show us you are not telling lies. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:42pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:11pm:
Yes you do. Don't deny it You are parrotting an opinion piece by some Daily Mail columnist. That is where all this "no warming for 17 years " came from. You may have got it second hand from Bolt or Alan Jones or some other crank - but you are mindlessly parrotting it nevertheless. THis is why - why you are asked the simple question: Please tell us why: oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise the arctic ice cap continues to decrease global glacial mass balance continues to decrease every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. if there has been "no warming for 17 years". You run away, or tell lies like "I answered it already" Your Daily Mail columnist did not give you an answer, did he. And you are incapable of thinking for yourself. So - you run away, or tell lies like "I answered it already" Answer the question Please tell us why: oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise the arctic ice cap continues to decrease global glacial mass balance continues to decrease every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. if there has been "no warming for 17 years". |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:43pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 7:10pm:
We are still waiting. You claimed that : the IPCC cheif said that there had been a 17 year paus in global warming Still waiting to see the quote. Don't run away CTRL-x/CTRL-V. Show us the quote. The only reference you have shown us so far says the exact opposite to what you claim. It claimed he said: it would need to last "30 to 40 years at least" to break the long-term global warming trend. You appear to have been caught red-handed telling lies. Don't you think is about time you owned up to this? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:55pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:35pm:
oh ffs. For the 4th time. These questions you ask me do not relate to my statement at all. If you have a question that relates to my statement of 0.5 equaling 0.5 and you have some new research that says 0.5 does not in fact equal 0.5, then bring it on. Otherwise, take your cultist BS to someone else. If you want to learn, look for lag, short wave radiation, black carbon, the sun ect but dont bother with co2, it just doesnt have a large enough impact and dont bother asking me these questions again unless it relates to a statement I make. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:57pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:55pm:
oh ffs. For the 4th time. These questions you ask me do not relate to my statement at all. If you have a question that relates to my statement of 0.5 equaling 0.5 and you have some new research that says 0.5 does not in fact equal 0.5, then bring it on. Otherwise, take your cultist BS to someone else. If you want to learn, look for lag, short wave radiation, black carbon, the sun but dont bother with co2, it just isnt worth bothering with.[/quote] So no. You have not "answered this same question 3 times now" - have you That was just a lie - wasn't it. Come on - answre the question. You reckon there has been no warming for 17 years Please tell us why: oceans continue to warm sea levels continue to rise the arctic ice cap continues to decrease global glacial mass balance continues to decrease every single one of the past 17 years has had an average surface temperature above the long term average. if there has been "no warming for 17 years" stop running away |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 9:02pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:57pm:
You are a complete f tool arent you. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 8:55pm:
Well that's new. A Gish gallop. Still not an answer, progs. And not nearly as entertaining as Lord Monckton. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:39pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:25pm:
Its not an answer (to what rabbit wants) because it isnt a question in relation to anything I said. If he wants those questions answered, then I suggest he relates it properly or starts a new thread. Dont tell me you are slipping as well. I know it is easier to go with rabbit because you are in the same cult, but you dont normally seem 100% gone and troppo. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:48pm
Rabbitoh isn't the least bit crazy. He is just expecting an answer to a straight forward question. How could the warming have paused when the evidence clearly tells us otherwise.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:52pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:48pm:
Yes but my statements are on empirical data of the atmospheric temperature data. 0.5 does equal 0.5. No amount of complaining that some ice somewhere is melting, is going to change that. If he wants the question answered, then he should do as I said earlier. I am not going to entertain rabbits wishful thinking. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:57pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
Of course 0.5 equals 0.5. What's your point. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:10pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:57pm:
After all this time, after stating it so often, I will just be indirect and say it is something similar to the below |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:19pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 9th, 2013 at 3:04pm:
Hansen certainly doesn't accept that there has been a pause in global warming. Rajendra Pachauri has not said there has been a pause in global warming. Both accept there has been a statistical pause in atmospheric surface temperatures. However, both also believe there is a heat imbalance between the incoming solar energy and the outgoing heat, ipso facto they must also believe our planet is still accumulating heat. Unlike you, they also trust the data which tells them our oceans are still warming. That is why you will not find a direct quote of them saying global warming has paused. Why would they. Unlike you, they accept the data that is used to construct the graph below. Good luck finding a direct quote, longy. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:33pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:10pm:
So your point is that there has been a statistical pause in global atmospheric surface temperatures over the past 17 years or so. Big deal, progs. We had a decline that lasted 21 years, during this current anthropogenic warming phase. The rise in atmospheric surface temperatures has not been monotonic and is not expected to be monotonic. The clear evidence is that the heat is accumulating in our oceans. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:33pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:19pm:
Come on motr. You should know that co2 is in the atmosphere where it can supposedly do the damage. The GHG right. If the atmosphere is not warming further, then the less that 1mm (actually micron, less than a human hair) penetration of back radiation is going to be flat (if you believe it does anything). The ocean simply isnt going to warm at the same rate is it. It is going to have a trend change. There isnt a trend change according to you. Couple that with the co2 in the atmosphere will be the first indicator of the what warming affect it is having. Oceans will be the last indicator of what co2 is doing because the atmosphere is directly affected, the oceans are an after affect. So if the atmosphere is flat, then co2 is not doing what it is supposed to be doing, hence the models need to go back to the drawing board, because we didnt know what we thought we did. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:38pm
Absolute rubbish, progs. Your premises are absolutely wrong. Where is your evidence.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:40pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:38pm:
Evidence of logic ;D ok |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:44pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:40pm:
Where is your evidence that long wave radiation can't warm the oceans. That's one of your premises. If this premise doesn't hold, you have no argument. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:47pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:44pm:
No, I said IF you believe a penetration of less than a human hair for co2 back radition (mind you verse a penetration of metres for short wave "sun" radiation), then even if we go with that, then the atmosphere being flat in temps, means the back raditation is going to be flat, hence there should be a trend change as there has been with the atmosphere. But according to you, there is no trend change. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:49pm MOTR wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:57pm:
Interesting the 0.5 usage here Has anyone looked at the accepted definition of El Nino? Quote:
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
Explain your understanding of the link between back radiation and atmospheric temperatures. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:09am MOTR wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:00am:
I know you love to play these games, but surely by now you know you dont suck me into them. You have an issue, state it. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:14am Maqqa wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
There are numerous methods used to define an El Niño. There are also different methods used to classify the strength of an El Niño. Is this leading anywhere, Maqqa. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:16am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:09am:
You seem to be claiming a direct link between atmospheric temperatures and back radiation. You seem to be saying that the amount of back radiation is determined by atmospheric temperatures. I want you to explain what you mean so I can be sure what you are arguing. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:20am MOTR wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:16am:
Well seeing as it is you who are a bit vague, then maybe you should explain your understanding of atmospheric temps vs(the link between) back radiation. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:22am
Well on a cool cloudy day there is actually more back radiation.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:25am MOTR wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:22am:
I am talking atmosphere, not surface temps. I like to give the official answer if you dont mind. Effect on Surface Temperature The natural greenhouse effect raises the Earth’s surface temperature to about 15 degrees Celsius on average—more than 30 degrees warmer than it would be if it didn’t have an atmosphere. The amount of heat radiated from the atmosphere to the surface (sometimes called “back radiation”) is equivalent to 100 percent of the incoming solar energy. The Earth’s surface responds to the “extra” (on top of direct solar heating) energy by raising its temperature. Just an addition to complete what I was taliking about: If the surface responds to the “extra” (on top of direct solar heating) energy by raising its temperature. Then it goes without saying, that the oceans are going to respond similarly to the atmosphere. You say there is no trend change for the ocean temps from less than a human hair penetration from the atmospheric temps, but the surface has responded by being flat. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 11th, 2013 at 1:01am progressiveslol wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:25am:
You are not making sense, progs. Try explaining it another way. Just so we can be clear “back-radiation” is the the radiation emitted by the atmosphere which is incident on the earth’s surface. It is also more correctly known as downward longwave radiation – or DLR. The argument is that greater concentrations of GHGs increases DLR, which warms the top of the cool skin layer of the ocean. A reduction in the temperature gradient of the cool skin layer of the ocean (that is the temperature difference between the top and bottom of the layer) reduces the heat flowing out of the ocean, allowing more heat to accumulate in our oceans. I don't get what you mean by, "You say there is no trend change for the ocean temps from less than a human hair penetration from the atmospheric temps." Can you try and say this another way. I certainly believe there is a trend change in ocean temps, even in the range from 0-700m. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:47pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:39pm:
So - are you now saying that you agree that the article by David Rose in the Daily Mail was complete nonsense. You understand that the notion that global warming has "paused " for 17 years is complete nonsense. Is this correct? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:54pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 10:52pm:
WTF os this " 0.5 does equal 0.5" you keep going on about?!?!? WTF is "0.5" 0.5 of what? What units? Can you explain? Or is just an other sad way that you try to escape from answering questions? You have previously parrotted stuff by David Rose suggesting that global warming has "paused" Yet - when asked to explain how global warming could have "paused" when ice continues to melt, sea levels continue to rise, and and evrey single on of the past 27 years has has an average surface temperature greater than the long term average - you run away like a little girl and tell lies like "I hava already answered that" You haven't already answered that at all - you liar. Who do you think you are fooling? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by rabbitoh07 on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:58pm progressiveslol wrote on Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:47pm:
MOTR asked you a question. Why don't you answer it? |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by longweekend58 on Mar 12th, 2013 at 5:49pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:58pm:
because YOU dont understand the answers. METs temperature graphs show no increase in temperature over the last 16 years to the extent that 1996 and 2012 have IDENTICAL temperatures and the variation in the intervening years is statistically nonexistent. but you dont accept that because it doesnt fit into your religious beliefs. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Maqqa on Mar 12th, 2013 at 11:08pm
Looking at the following graph from the IPCC of how much global warming heat is going into the various components of the climate system for the period 1993 to 2003, calculated from IPCC AR4 5.2.2.3.
They are claiming the heat is all going to the water with 0.2% going into Antarctic Ice and Greenland Ice Why am I focusing on this and not Arctic ice? Because I want to look at the alarmists' cries on rising sea levels due climate change We know that melting Arctic ice won't change sea levels because it's sea water but melting Antarctic and Greenland ice will increase sea water because it's freshwater. My question is - does this 0.2% melt the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. The answer "seems" to be no because the IPCC also said that contribution of sea rises from melting Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets is 0.21mm (+/- 0.35mm error) Personal attacks aside - find a ruler. Look at 1mm Then look at how much 21% of that 1mm is This is before considering that there's a 0.35mm error If this is the case - why are we even talking about climate change refugee? Even if the sea level rise by 1m - that's 100cm - that's 1,000mm According to the IPCC the sea rise is 0.21mm ie 4,761 years GW_Components_1024.jpg (75 KB | 32
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 13th, 2013 at 4:48am
You are innumerate, Maqqa. Sometimes there is so much wrongness in a post that it's just better to shudder and walk away.
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 13th, 2013 at 10:20pm longweekend58 wrote on Mar 12th, 2013 at 5:49pm:
Remember that fool who denied the 17 year pause in warming and kept asking 'but if the earth isnt warming how come '..... Arctic extent largest since 2005 Antartic extent larger than 1979 average by a huge amount Global warming. Yeh right. http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/ |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:36am
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2013/03/Figure3.png
Look at the trend, progs. You are being played for a fool. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:37am |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:38am
If you want to see what is happening to the Arctic ice, have a look at the PIOMASS monthly average Arctic Ice Volume.
Progs wants to make much of the recovery of the sea ice extent. February's extent being the largest since 2005. Well there is approximately 4,000 cubic kilometres less ice than 2005. If Watts didn't bring this to your attention, perhaps you should stop outsourcing your thinking to this shill. https://14adebb0-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/piomas/grf/piomas-trnd2.png?attachauth=ANoY7coyHfqzpsFnGjyYf2eOVjITZTKgXzJK7lKC0tpNO9S76I_lsE1q_6auA_fXa7K--ppPEVzfIABfUZUS-J0a8Kmc5hp7isNoDRcZwKmpXIurNBnQtAaWO0RZ5BHVOTOalhXp-Wjg42qF_02nM7NHzh_PEBfHDhAd_HNAJGSxgm6WCiOA9RFpotDXoP8qwf-A3X6yOaVHpTeY4lzewggww3wMWQNUOMW8BBuR80G-FyzssPUwwwUqCJpYfaUioxaF4iz8BBZ6&attredirects=0 |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by Innocent bystander on Mar 14th, 2013 at 2:08am
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by MOTR on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:11am
As for what's happening down in Antarctica, NASA attribute the growth in sea ice extent to this warming phenomenon, but what would they know.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/earth20121112.html |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:25am MOTR wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 1:38am:
Silly motr http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/old_icecover.uk.php is where I got the info. I use watts sea ice page for picture reference. If you dont like that graph, then I suggest you stop refering to sea ice extent. Maybe wait until it looks the way you want it too. |
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Title: Re: Climate Change is back on Post by progressiveslol on Mar 14th, 2013 at 7:27am MOTR wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 3:11am:
They sure do know how to manipulate data to cool the past warm the future. |
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