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Message started by red baron on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:03pm

Title: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:03pm
Daniel Day Lewis has done it again, this overblown, over rated actor with the tinny voice. Surely Abraham Lincoln didn't speak like a soprano has hoodwinked the Academy and apparently the voting world with his overblown performance as Lincoln.

I watched his previous effort in There Will Be Blood, remember that stinker? No? No one else does either. One of the worst ever movies I have ever seen.

I have seen enough of Lincoln with Lewis poncing around, just like he did today in his appalling acceptance speech.

If ever there was an actor who could scream from the rooftops "I wuz robbed' it has to be Hugh Jackman who gave one of the masterful tour de force acting performances I have ever seen in Les Miserables and all in favour of this Great Imposter Daniel Day Lewis. And he had grabbed it 3 times! In My Left Foot he gave what was to become his signature performance that is, of a driven, angst ridden man.

He has this down pat now.

Jackman acted his arse off and was ripped off at the Academy Awards the Baftas and every other bloody award.

And he was  ripped off by a man who sounded more like a girl than Abraham Lincoln...seriously,. give me a break!

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:25pm

Christoph Waltz - best support.

Django - best original screenplay.



Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:51pm
Greggerry - How do you rate Tarantino's Aussie accent in his flick?

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:53pm

red baron wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:51pm:
Gregory - How do you rate Tarantino's Aussie accent in his flick?



I'd give him a 1 out of 5 for the accent.

And his acting ... hmmm ... maybe a 2 out of 5.




Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by aquascoot on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:55pm
i loved DDL in last of the mohicans,  one of my favourite movies

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:55pm
So...as an actor Quentin makes  a great director.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:58pm
Aquascoot, you are right, he was O.K. in that one. But I can't think of anything else that rings the chimes. Too bad he didn't stick to cowboys and indians.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Innocent bystander on Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:16pm

red baron wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:58pm:
Aquascoot, you are right, he was O.K. in that one. But I can't think of anything else that rings the chimes. Too bad he didn't stick to cowboys and indians.



There will be blood, brilliant in that.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Innocent bystander on Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:17pm
In the name of the father, great Day Lewis movie also.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Innocent bystander on Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:20pm
Gangs of New York ... what a Smacking crock of sh#t that was.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Peter Freedman on Feb 25th, 2013 at 9:56pm
Lewis is a real mixture, loved My Left Foot and In the Name of the Father, but as for others I've seen.......yeech!

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Amadd on Feb 25th, 2013 at 10:00pm
"There will be blood" was a great movie IMO, and nothing without DDL.
I thought his voice was pretty sucky in Lincoln but he made me believe.

Being a little biased, I think that Hugh should've got best actor.
He put himself through hell for that part, and anybody who can make a bloke like a musical deserves an award.

Glad that Christoph Waltz got the best supporting, he stole the show with his unique character in Django unchained.
Tarantino's aussie accent was woeful, but then again so was John Jarratt's if that's possible.

Jackie Weaver, I haven't seen her movie but good on the ol' tart for being nominated.


Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 25th, 2013 at 10:52pm

red baron wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:55pm:
So...as an actor Quentin makes  a great director.



Exactly.


Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 26th, 2013 at 12:50am
Day-Lewis' peer voted recognition MAY be due to ...


Daniel Day-Lewis: extraordinary man of many parts
Vanessa Thorpe
The Observer
Sunday 18 November 2012


The man, often hailed as the greatest screen actor of his generation, is famous – some say notorious – for his obsessive attention to detail in building character. His latest role, playing Abraham Lincoln, is no exception

In playing the revered 16th president of the United States, the 55-year old actor adds to the series of New World archetypes he has tackled on screen. He has moved from the fleet-footed, fictional scout Hawkeye in The Last of the Mohicans to the compromised religious settler John Proctor in The Crucible and on to the society figure of Edith Wharton's Newland Archer in The Age of Innocence. Later, he embodied the ferocity of the mobster Bill the Butcher in Gangs of New York and the obsessional frontiersman Daniel Plainview in There Will be Blood.

The British film critic David Thomson once said that Day-Lewis "knows how to grasp an audience without noticing them" and in Lincoln the actor again delivers what could be called a total performance. He adopts an odd, light, cracked voice that has divided audiences so far, although Spielberg claims he won the role by sending him a recording of the way he felt Lincoln ought to speak. Day-Lewis also surprises by bringing out the folksy manner and homespun humour that apparently belied the intellect of the great man.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/nov/18/profile-daniel-day-lewis



... or just plain good luck that Will Ferrell, Bruce Willis, Adam Sandler and Kevin Costner weren't NOMINATED ?




Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 26th, 2013 at 6:26am
Sorry Buzz and Diddj but his voice is way to high to play Lincoln. I don't care how much attention to detail he paid, he can't change his voicebox...He sounds like a girl in that role.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Amadd on Feb 26th, 2013 at 10:06am

red baron wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 6:26am:
Sorry Buzz and Diddj but his voice is way to high to play Lincoln. I don't care how much attention to detail he paid, he can't change his voicebox...He sounds like a girl in that role.


Then again, he did put a lot of research into it.

..and he did not have sexual relations with that woman  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA4yaSx8aKg

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Sprintcyclist on Feb 26th, 2013 at 10:58am

I have not seen lincoln, thought daniel day-lewis was very good in "there will be blood' and 'the last of the mohicans'.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by greggerypeccary on Feb 26th, 2013 at 11:13am


Never really liked DDL.

Hard to believe that he's won three Best Actor Oscars.

Not that they're worth all that much: Nicolas Cage has a Best Actor Oscar too.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Quantum on Feb 26th, 2013 at 1:13pm
Tommy Lee Jones and James Spader were every bit as good as Lewis if not better and they probably had as many lines as him in the movie as well. But despite how central they were in the film it was not until I was in the cinema watching Lincoln that I even knew those two were in it. The whole movie has been promoted around one actor despite the fact there was a lot of other talent in the film. I think Lewis did a good job but there is way too much hype about his acting.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by red baron on Feb 26th, 2013 at 1:54pm
Amadd, thanks for your clip, if Lincoln sounded like that he wouldn't have made Mayor let alone President. That is no the voice that stirred a Nation.

I didn't like Lewis' cheap shot about musicals when he gave his acceptance speech, a clear cheap shot against Les Miserables. In contrast Hugh Jackman was honourable towards Lewis and his award.

I always feel like when I'm watching Lewis that I'm watching someone one step removed from psychosis. Something he did well in Let there be Blood. I thought he played himself.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by Amadd on Feb 26th, 2013 at 7:48pm
To me DDL sounds like Clinton without the southern accent. Maybe not the voice to stir a nation, but actions may have spoken louder than words back then.

'There will be blood' was a memorable movie to me because of his character. Waiting and wanting for him to see the err of his ways throughout the movie and then the shocking conclusion gave the movie a lot of impact.

I too am certain that most actors do incorporate elements of their true selves within their characters (eg: Mel Gibson in the Lethal Weapon series), and yes there is something that I really don't like about DDL.

Hugh Jackman on the other hand, seems like the most amazing and good hearted bloke that you'd ever want to meet.
We need more like him, but he's a very rare talent.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 26th, 2013 at 9:32pm

red baron wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 6:26am:
Sorry Buzz and Diddj but his voice is way to high to play Lincoln.


No recordings of Abraham Lincoln's voice exist since he died 12 years before Thomas Edison invented the phonograph, the first device to record and play back sound




What Did Abraham Lincoln’s Voice Sound Like?
Civil War scholar Harold Holzer helps to decode what spectators heard when the 16th president spoke
Megan Gambino
Smithsonian.com, June 07, 2011

I suspect that when people imagine Abraham Lincoln and the way he sounded, many imagine him as a bass, or at least a deep baritone. Perhaps this is because of his large stature and the resounding nature of his words. Certainly, the tradition of oratory in the 1850s would support the assumption.

“Usually people with centurion, basso profundo voices dominated American politics,” says Harold Holzer, a leading Lincoln scholar.
Then, of course, there are the casting choices of film and TV directors over the years. “It can’t get any deeper than Gregory Peck,” says Holzer. Peck played Lincoln in the 1980s TV miniseries The Blue and the Gray.

But, unfortunately, no recordings of Lincoln’s voice exist, since he died 12 years before Thomas Edison invented the phonograph, the first device to record and play back sound.

If anyone had an educated guess as to how it sounded though, it would be Holzer, who has written 40 books on Lincoln and the Civil War.
The author has pored over reports of Lincoln’s public appearances on speaking tours, eyewitness accounts told to Lincoln’s law partner William Herndon and newspaper commentaries about the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and, surprisingly, he says, one of the only things that can be said with certainty is that Lincoln was a tenor.

“Lincoln’s voice, as far as period descriptions go, was a little shriller, a little higher,” says Holzer. It would be a mistake to say that his voice was squeaky though. “People said that his voice carried into crowds beautifully. Just because the tone was high doesn’t mean it wasn’t far-reaching,” he says.



Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Ask-an-Expert-What-Did-Abraham-Lincolns-Voice-Sound-Like.html#ixzz2M0DNvW6u


In Steven Spielberg's new film "Lincoln," Daniel Day-Lewis takes on the larger-than-life character who, according to historians, had a smaller-than-expected voice.

"The most frequent things we read are that, he had a nasal voice, a high voice, but that somehow, miraculously, it floated over large crowds," Holzer said.

The Oscar-winning actor settled on a high-pitched, almost scratchy tone, very different from the deep, booming quality audiences have come to expect from pop culture.

Holzer said, "I think it's extraordinary. I think it's uncanny, and I think it's chilling, and I wish we can have somebody come back from the 1860s and say, 'That's the guy!'"


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505266_162-57547527/daniel-day-lewis-lincoln-voice-historically-accurate/





Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by cods on Feb 27th, 2013 at 3:13pm
didnt Henry Fonda play him as well. though younger.... as it is I dont recall any debate about what his[Lincolns] voice was like...I think its dumb to try to imagine someones voice for gods sakes... he was tall he was brooding looking all that we know of...why not give him a deep voice as it is it seems a lot will be going to see the movie to pick holes in it.....a dumb move I would think.

Title: Re: Daniel Day Lewis Lincoln - give me a break
Post by NorthOfNorth on Feb 27th, 2013 at 9:29pm

red baron wrote on Feb 25th, 2013 at 6:03pm:
Surely Abraham Lincoln didn't speak like a soprano has hoodwinked the Academy and apparently the voting world with his overblown performance as Lincoln.

Apparently he did... He hated the sound of his voice.

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