I have watched Andrew O'Keefe on Sunrise, interviewing Geert Wilders on Sunrise. Wilders is  a Dutch Politician who is against Musim immigration into Holland.

Here I go opening Pandora's box because I agree with Wilders. We are importing what will turn out to be a monstrous problem for Australia which has the ability to change Australia as we know it.

The hard line Muslim Sharia laws is barbaric and is swept under the carpet every time this subject has been debated and in fairness it has been debated to death on this web site.

All I can say is that an ex cop, the biggest problem the Police out there have to deal with are the Muslims.

The first thing Cops do when they pull up a car load of Muslims is take their mobile phones; so they can't ring around and get a hunting party out to take down the Police.

They are a HUGE PROBLEM and the Cops in Bankstown have the hardest job in the Force.

We ignore this festering problem at our peril.

Prepare to be called racist, Red.

You'll notice the "racist" tag is the only defence Muslims ad trendy lefties have. They don't argue for Islam's presence on cultural or intellectual grounds because they know it has nothing to offer us in those areas.

I call as it see it. I care not a fig for labels. All I know is that if enough people had blown the whistle in pre War Germany, the Nazi Party would never have gained a foothold.

The thing is with Democracies, we have to right to Freedom of Speech. I am exercising mine right here regardless of whether I am agreed with or not.

I say again, the growing Muslim presence represents a clear danger to our Society because of their doctrine.

Yes there are wonderful moderate Muslims in our society; it is the hard liner Fundamentalists I am worried about and they are there in numbers.

red baron wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 9:24am:

I call as it see it. I care not a fig for labels. All I know is that if enough people had blown the whistle in pre War Germany, the Nazi Party would never have gained a foothold. The thing is with Democracies, we have to right to Freedom of Speech. I am exercising mine right here regardless of whether I am agreed with or not. I say again, the growing Muslim presence represents a clear danger to our Society because of their doctrine. Yes there are wonderful moderate Muslims in our society; it is the hard liner Fundamentalists I am worried about and they are there in numbers.

I don't think it's fair to compare them to Nazis. The Germans at the time were the most advanced military and technological nation on the planet, with a rich cultural past. Modern Islam is a 7th century ideology that has no time for progress of any kind, nor do they possess the criteria to make any progress. It's backward and completely adolescent in its thuggish approach to conversion. The only way Islam can win is through a numbers game, which is why the democratic system is in their favour when they reach near 50% of the population. They can't capture ordinary folk through any reasonable or rational argument. It can only be done through numbers and intimidation.

Who is we and who is us?  Wilders is not even Australian and who let him in here to attack our rights and divide us?
  8-)

I think that Mr. Wilders pretty much had his ass handed to him in that interview.
I agree with his concerns about radicals, however, he over-exaggerates on many levels.

IMO, you will naturally find more violence in people who have stemmed from places of harsh environment. This has nothing to do with religion per se', it has to do with the natural instinct for survival.

Burning and deleting all traces of the Quran won't make a lick of difference to those who want to interpret a reason for violence. A reason can be found anywhere.

Whitey its a big world out there, have you ever listened to the opinions of people who might have something of value to say, specifically because of their experience in their field?

Amadd, I thought Andrew O'Keefe came across as a hand wringing Left Winger who had no handle on the  reality of what is happening on the ground out there.

Wilders is part of a Satanic infidel plot against freedom of worship....Hitler and Stalin would be proud... 8-)

red baron wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Whitey its a big world out there, have you ever listened to the opinions of people who might have something of value to say, specifically because of their experience in their field? Amadd, I thought Andrew O'Keefe came across as a hand wringing Left Winger who had no handle on the  reality of what is happening on the ground out there.

Well I thought that he applied good logic to which Wilders could not logically respond.

Whitey - Wilders, - Measured yes, informed yes...Satanic...uhhhh I don't think so.

Why is it that the Whistleblowers always gets the bullet in the back of the skull? 

I know very few whistleblowers who haven't been hounded to the ends of the earth by the bad buys. Wilders is blowing a whistle long and loud and we had better bloody well take note of it.

Wilders is attacking freedom of worship...that makes him Satanic and a harlot... :)

red baron wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:10am:

Whitey - Wilders, - Measured yes, informed yes...Satanic...uhhhh I don't think so. Why is it that the Whistleblowers always gets the bullet in the back of the skull?  I know very few whistleblowers who haven't been hounded to the ends of the earth by the bad buys. Wilders is blowing a whistle long and loud and we had better bloody well take note of it.

Yes we should look both ways before crossing a road, but not rid the road of all cars through fear of being run over.

Amadd wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:01am:

I think that Mr. Wilders pretty much had his ass handed to him in that interview. I agree with his concerns about radicals, however, he over-exaggerates on many levels. IMO, you will naturally find more violence in people who have stemmed from places of harsh environment. This has nothing to do with religion per se', it has to do with the natural instinct for survival. Burning and deleting all traces of the Quran won't make a lick of difference to those who want to interpret a reason for violence. A reason can be found anywhere.

Great post, Amadd.


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All I can say is that an ex cop, the biggest problem the Police out there have to deal with are the Muslims. The first thing Cops do when they pull up a car load of Muslims is take their mobile phones; so they can't ring around and get a hunting party out to take down the Police. They are a HUGE PROBLEM and the Cops in Bankstown have the hardest job in the Force.

I like you, Red, but for an ex-cop, you are surprisingly misinformed about the state of affairs in the Bankstown area. Either that or prone to exaggeration. There are no hunting parties to take out police. That's ridiculous.

lmao @ trying to make bankstown or lakkemba sound like detroit or mogadishu

theyre pretty feral places but theyre not that bad

Whats so amazing about this is that these stupid extreme lefties would protest in person and a few numbers against gert wilders right to free speech AND YET WHEN A RADICAL SHEIK WHO CALLS JEWS RATS, APES AND MONKEYS OF THE HUMAN RACE, YOU WONT SEE ANYONE OF THESE STUPID LEFTIES PROTESTING AGAINST THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO SAY IT HERE IN AUSTRALIA.

Its quite a contrast isnt it !


I think that would well illustrate the hypocratic scum that exist in the left.

ok

Wilders anti worship agenda is the same overt totalitarianism of Mao, Hitler and Stalin...In Christian terms he is Satanic... :)

to all those talking about wilders as if he's some sort of militant far-right extremist (and to all the 'conservatives' defending him); what exactly has he done or said that has been so controversial/laudable? he seems like your regular run of the mill garden variety neocon, the only reason he appears to be considered 'extreme' is because he comes from the netherlands and is thus extreme for that place. his objection to islam appears to be that it isnt very nice to jews, homosexuals and 'woman's rights'. he even compares mein kampf to the quran, and not for the purpose of flattery. where is this 'far rightist' that everybody is talking about because i dont see one.

Read, grasshopper. Read.

Wilders is proposing laws to take away our freedom of conscience in worship and make the state the Governor of religious faith, telling us what and  how to believe.  This links him inseparably from the totalitarian extremism of Mao, Stalin and Hitler and their persecutions and Satanic atrocities.... :)

JC Denton wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:31am:

to all those talking about wilders as if he's some sort of militant far-right extremist (and to all the 'conservatives' defending him); what exactly has he done or said that has been so controversial/laudable? he seems like your regular run of the mill garden variety neocon, the only reason he appears to be considered 'extreme' is because he comes from the netherlands and is thus extreme for that place. his objection to islam appears to be that it isnt very nice to jews, homosexuals and 'woman's rights'. he even compares mein kampf to the quran, and not for the purpose of flattery. where is this 'far rightist' that everybody is talking about because i dont see one.

Funny that it is on these issues that I consider teh muslimz to be more correct than the west.

i did. a bit more.

He believes that all Muslim immigration to the Netherlands should be halted and all settled immigrants should be paid to leave.[4]

i guess he's more extreme than i was thinking but i'm right in saying that he's just a humanist. his objection to islam is that it intersects with his wishy washy 'judeo-christian' (can't stand this term, essentially an attempt to suggest equivalence out of what is really a contrast) humanist beliefs.

Geert Wilders wants State control of peoples thoughts and beliefs...he holds hands with murderous tyrants like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot... 8-)

... wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:40am:

JC Denton wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:31am: to all those talking about wilders as if he's some sort of militant far-right extremist (and to all the 'conservatives' defending him); what exactly has he done or said that has been so controversial/laudable? he seems like your regular run of the mill garden variety neocon, the only reason he appears to be considered 'extreme' is because he comes from the netherlands and is thus extreme for that place. his objection to islam appears to be that it isnt very nice to jews, homosexuals and 'woman's rights'. he even compares mein kampf to the quran, and not for the purpose of flattery. where is this 'far rightist' that everybody is talking about because i dont see one. Funny that it is on these issues that I consider teh muslimz to be more correct than the west.

Muslims and Christian Neo Cons actually have very similar ideologies.

OK, as a tried, convicted and sentenced (by some of you, and quite
wrongly) 'leftie' I have to say that I agree with Red Baron on this
one, and also with Wilders.

And, like RB, I thought O'Keefe did a very poor job, his bias showed
through with every word, and his whole 'battle-plan' was to essentially
'shoot the messenger'.

Now, I don't give a flying smack whether you agree with Wilders or not
but he does have a valid argument, and it is an issue that will have to
be addressed, sooner or later.

IMO, the attempts to silence and/or ridicule him, added to the death
threats he has received, simply confirms the validity of his argument
and takes credibility away from yours.

And I would SO like to bitch-slap the next asshole who tries to relate
all anti-Muslim comments with racism. It is NOT a race, it is a CULT.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:50am:

... wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:40am: JC Denton wrote on Feb 24th, 2013 at 10:31am: to all those talking about wilders as if he's some sort of militant far-right extremist (and to all the 'conservatives' defending him); what exactly has he done or said that has been so controversial/laudable? he seems like your regular run of the mill garden variety neocon, the only reason he appears to be considered 'extreme' is because he comes from the netherlands and is thus extreme for that place. his objection to islam appears to be that it isnt very nice to jews, homosexuals and 'woman's rights'. he even compares mein kampf to the quran, and not for the purpose of flattery. where is this 'far rightist' that everybody is talking about because i dont see one. Funny that it is on these issues that I consider teh muslimz to be more correct than the west. Muslims and Christian Neo Cons actually have very similar ideologies.

islam as of present is anti-semitic due to israel, and neoconservatism is slavishly philosemitic. a lot of head name intellectual neocons couldn't give a stuff about gay marriage (bill kristol for example supports it) and are basically social liberals that just extrodinarily hawkish on foreign policy. neo-cons would be horrified at the idea of relegating women to second class citizen status. maybe you'd be right about the typical penecostal bawwwn agaaain christian zionist bible belter, but they're hardly as extreme as muslims. i present weak quantitative evidence of this:

http://anepigone.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/religious-conservatives-in-us-more.html


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Addressing the oft made assertion (or at least insinuation) "that conservative American Protestants are roughly equivalent with conservative Muslims", Razib tapped the World Values Survey to compare the positions of conservative Protestants in the US with those of Muslims in predominately Islamic countries on some representative social issues. He presents a table that shows all scaled response distributions for each group on each question. Below, I essentially replicate his results with the purpose of trying to reproduce them in a way that is a little easier for mere mortals like myself to digest. Instead of showing the entire distribution, I use mean values for each group. Razib concludes:     The general qualitative result: American conservative Protestants are in the main to the center or social liberal end of Muslim public opinion. They are not comparable at all to Muslim reactionaries. As the averages make clearer, conservative Protestants (defined here as those who expressed a preference for the Republican party) are in fact more liberal on each of these issues than Muslims in any of the countries included are. Keep in mind, the comparison here is between conservative Protestants and all Muslims, not just between evangelicals and reactionary Islamists. The latter comparison would show conservative Protestants to be even more liberal relative to Muslims than this comparison does. Finally, using standard deviation values reported in the WVS, each of the tables also shows where the average conservative Protestant fits into the Muslim distribution*. So, on the question of the justifiability of homosexuality, the average conservative American Protestant is at 71st percentile of the Muslim population. Because the wife-beating question is inverted, the figure shows where the average conservative Protestant falls on the another-black-eye-to-explain-to-the-neighbors-is-unjustifiable distribution. The higher the value (on a 1-10 scale), the more justifiable the act or behavior in question is viewed as being: Homosexuality      Score Conservative Protestants (US)      3.2 Malaysia (Muslim)      2.9 Jordan (Muslim)      1.0 Iran (Shia)      1.5 Turkey (Muslim)      1.7 Conservative Protestant percentile among Muslims      71st percentile Abortion      Score Conservative Protestants (US)      3.5 Malaysia (Muslim)      2.8 Iraq (Shia)      1.2 Iraq (Sunni)      2.4 Jordan (Muslim)      1.2 Iran (Shia)      2.3 Morocco (Muslim)      1.8 Turkey (Muslim)      2.3 Conservative Protestant percentile among Muslims      73rd percentile Man to beat his wife      Score Conservative Protestants (US)      1.3 Malaysia (Muslim)      3.1 Jordan (Muslim)      1.5 Iran (Shia)      1.8 Morocco (Muslim)      2.3 Turkey (Muslim)      1.5 Conservative Protestant percentile among Muslims      63rd percentile

If you take out the criticisms of Islam, Wilders is just your average politician. Everything else he talks about is no different from what every other politician talks about; same slogans etc.

Geert Wilders pushes the murderous message of Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot...state totalitarianism... 8-)

he's more extreme than i was thinking. he wants to voluntarily repatriate muslims. but the idiots whining about him think he's doing it because he doesn't like brown people; in reality, he objects to his what he percieves islam's content to be. he thinks it is threatening to the putative 'judeo-christian' (again, whatever the bugger that is meant to mean) 'humanist' core of the netherlands.

in reality he probably thinks you are dutch if you think gays should be allowed to get married or people should have free speech and bleieve in womans rights or something dumb like that.

Wilders wants the state to dictate on how we think and what we can believe....even what we can say...and he has the nerve to use free speech to hide from criticism? 8-)

oh don't you just hate it when you go to refresh the main forum page to see if anybody has replied to your post and the last new reply was from corporate_whitey! it's such a let down.

JC Denton wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

oh don't you just hate it when you go to refresh the main forum page to see if anybody has replied to your post and the last new reply was from corporate_whitey! it's such a let down.

lol. Then you see there are 43 of them.

I cant say it enough...Geert  Wilders and his followers  want the state to Govern everything you think, say and believe - they peddle the same murderous satanic totalitarian doctrines as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao... 8-)

JC Denton wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 10:54am:

i present weak quantitative evidence of this: http://anepigone.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/religious-conservatives-in-us-more.html Quote:     The general qualitative result: American conservative Protestants are in the main to the center or social liberal end of Muslim public opinion. They are not comparable at all to Muslim reactionaries.

Yes it is VERY weak quantitative evidence.
Protestants are by definition far more liberal in their opinions than other Christian orders. Thats the very reason they are called Protestants.

The figures for Catholics or some of the right wing loonies on this forum would be very different indeed.

uh, not in the u.s. prob with your argument is that it ignores the u.s context. protestants in the u.s are more right wing than catholics. if it was anywhere else you'd have a point.

Geert Wilders wants the state to replace God in our lives and that  makes him a dangerous fanatic.... 8-)

http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedImages/Topics/Issues/Politics_and_Elections/exitpoll-1.png

All worshippers of God must unite against the push for state totalitarianism.... :)

JC Denton wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 11:06am:

oh don't you just hate it when you go to refresh the main forum page to see if anybody has replied to your post and the last new reply was from corporate_whitey! it's such a let down.

It's especially galling when you've spent some time posting a reasoned and
researched reply to someone, then come back to find that both their post
and yours are three pages back, behind a shyt-load of petty sniping and
delusional comments such as those just referred to.

And it's doubly so when it's been done deliberately to bury your comments
and/or derail the thread.

An all-too-common occurrence, sadly.

another failure of yours was to not note that theat analysis took party membership into account:


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As the averages make clearer, conservative Protestants (defined here as those who expressed a preference for the Republican party) are in fact more liberal on each of these issues than Muslims in any of the countries included are. Keep in mind, the comparison here is between conservative Protestants and all Muslims, not just between evangelicals and reactionary Islamist

it was a comparison between muslims and conservative u.s protestants.

Geert Wilders wants the state to dictate on everything we can think, say and believe - that excludes him from liberalism....or any credibility of himself hiding behind the very free speech he  wants to shut down... 8-)

Quote:

Throughout this report "protestant" refers to people who describe themselves as "Protestant", "Morman" or "other christian" in exit polls

Fairly loose description of "Protestant".
Mixing the views of Mormans and Protestants pretty much invalidates the whole exit poll.

Annie that information came from a currently serving Highway Patrol Sergeant i.e. the info about taking the mobiles off car loads of Muslims before they called the Cavalry. You might know a lot Annie but you are either on the inside or the outside. I'm afraid I'm on the inside with this one. Also my best friend was General Duties Sergeant at Bankstown for years.

Some of his stories are harrowing about Muslim hard liners in the area.

And...Annie, I acknowledge and applaud the moderate Muslims. It is the hard liners that I am very worried about...The Fundamentalists.

corporate_whitey wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 11:46am:

Geert Wilders wants the state to dictate on everything we can think, say and believe

Can you quote him?

It's also up to the good moderate muslims who want peace in Australia to speak out against the poo that inhabits their communities. I believe the good have a bad habit of letting in nitwits on this earth push them around. I hope they aren't secretly gunning for them.

red baron wrote on Feb 24^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

Annie that information came from a currently serving Highway Patrol Sergeant i.e. the info about taking the mobiles off car loads of Muslims before they called the Cavalry. You might know a lot Annie but you are either on the inside or the outside. I'm afraid I'm on the inside with this one. Also my best friend was General Duties Sergeant at Bankstown for years. Some of his stories are harrowing about Muslim hard liners in the area. And...Annie, I acknowledge and applaud the moderate Muslims. It is the hard liners that I am very worried about...The Fundamentalists.

Not sure if you are up to speed Red but Annie is a Muslim.

I totally realise that KJ and I totally respect her point of  view albeit that I disagree with that p.o.v.

What kind of mental blinkers do people put on to block a very simple point from registering in their minds: anywhere and everywhere in the world, the more Islam, the less freedom.

Why do people tie themselves into pretzel pretending that they cannot comprehend such a simple point?

If you want your freedom, don't import Islam. If you want less freedom, import Islam. This is plainly, irrefutably and incontrovertibly true.  Why pretend that it isn't?

Watch this if you dare.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f03_1330829653&p=1

God hates Geert Wilders because he is a totalitarian antichrist and he is going to burn in hell for a long long time while asylum seekers, the poor, the homeless and other outcasts and minorities will be in heaven and glad he is getting exactly what we deserves.... I know I will be.... :)

Have you had a look at the video of Mulsims descecrating Australian War Graves in Turkey whilst they talk about non muslim white women crying when they f.... them?

red baron wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Have you had a look at the video of Mulsims descecrating Australian War Graves in Turkey whilst they talk about non muslim white women crying when they f.... them?

Their  just shyte people RED >:( >:(

God keeps a special place in his heart of hatred for warmongers, CEO's and  Bankers...there wont be any christ denying warmongers  in heaven, they will be asigned a place with the pedo's and other filth in hell...or have you not read the peace makers will inherit the Kingdom of God... 8-)

red baron wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Have you had a look at the video of Mulsims descecrating Australian War Graves in Turkey whilst they talk about non muslim white women crying when they f.... them?

It's Libya, not Turkey.

But yeah, a filthy video.

God hates warmongers and racists and ranks them with fags and pedo's and other evil filth...go and Check the Landsdown Baptist Church...the warmongers go to hell.... 8-)

red baron wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Have you had a look at the video of Mulsims descecrating Australian War Graves in Turkey whilst they talk about non muslim white women crying when they f.... them?

Johnny Turk’s always had a bit of a soft spot for the Aussie fighting man. He doesn’t mind our women either.

OK Morning Mist, thanks for the heads up. It doesn't get any lower than that.

Warmongers and pedo's are pretty low on the scale of scum and filth.  Infidels deserve everything they get from God and more... 8-)

> All I can say is that an ex cop

I assume you mean speaking AS "an ex cop" and surmise from this that you have FIRST-HAND PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE of issues that others debate from their arm-chairs. Please forgive me for what may appear as a tutorial attitude; I'm merely trying to respond to your practical experience with philosophical criteria that may only be partially relevant.

The first point I'd make is that Australia has fulfilled its traditional role as America's favourite catamite and sent troops to murder innocent people - women and children included - in the Middle East; and all in pursuit of America's political and commercial interests. What goes around, comes around (otherwise known as the Law of Krma), so its no surprize to find Afghan and other refugees turning up on our shores seeking sanctuary from our criminal international escapades, albeit sanctioned by the criminals in  America.

IMHO, this is best viewed in the context of the Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - which together are the single greatest source of evil on this planet. One can address the problems within the Abrahamic religions with a view to resolving them, or one can step outside them entirely. The latter is my personal stance; I address the former simply by way of comment.

> We are importing what will turn out to be a monstrous problem for Australia

The first point that must be understood is that this is the whole purpose of the exercize, and I'll explain this. Politicians do not run countries in the modern West. They are bought by vested interests (the TransNational Corporations, international banks, and armaments manufacturers) to present politically acceptable interpretations of TNC-friendly policies.

The primary purpose of EVERY politician in Canberra and the State Capitals is to provide an ongoing media circus for public consumption, in order to distract attention from the real issues and the legal entitlements to resource exploitation being passed behind the media noise. THEY ARE DOING THIS SUPERBLY WELL.

The social problems caused by importing mediaeval fanatics into a (supposedly) modern society is - obviously and evidentially - to destabilize it, and keep its (stupid) citizens busy debating the ensuing issues.

> The hard line Muslim Sharia laws is barbaric and is swept under the carpet

As Wilders has pointed out, these are mediaeval doctrines suited only to primitive, ignorant fanatics. Muslims insist on their women being covered because their "men"folk are unable to restrain their animal urges at the sight of female flesh. This is obvious and incontrovertible, yet never mentioned in the MainStream Media.

> They are a HUGE PROBLEM and the Cops in Bankstown have the hardest job in the Force.

Yep; but the cops are Ozns, and too politically correct and morally spineless to take the required action.

> We ignore this festering problem at our peril.

Who is "We"? The international bankers are delighted at the social antagonism, since it prevents the sort of social cohesion that could militate constructively against them. The pollies are delighted because it gives them "issues" to "debate". The media is more than delighted at having so many "news stories" to report. WHO is the "We" that is is peril?

I don't buy the angle that the import of Muslims or non-westerners is to distract the people so business can do what it likes. They're brought in on two different modes of thought: 1. Naive idealism (under the agenda of the international socialists for a 'harmonious' society) 2. Cheap labour (for businesses). The repercussions of clashing cultures is simply an unexpected or irrelevant by-product of these two approaches. 

Mass social unrest is actually bad for business. People need to be working and consuming - large unemployment and rioting mobs are unhelpful in that regard. Moreover, if large unrest occurs, usually a dictator or hard-lined leader comes to the fore to stamp it all out. The results of this for business is unpredictable.

There is  no meeting ground with Infidels that God hates, there is no negotiating with evil doers, they are scum and  if you dont judge them, they will judge and govern you and legislate their filth against yiou till you are crawling in  it.... :o

>  so business can do what it likes.

Business is the side issue. If you haven't yet understood that it's the patsy of the military forces that enable their financial shenanigans, read John Perkins' book Confessions of a corporate hit man:

http://www.johnperkins.org/

Racial violence, mass social unrest, a hard-line dictator coming forth to stamp it all out

Can’t wait, eh Mistie?

karnal,  is there any evidence that the muslims in a place like dubai are abandoning their religion and just living the hedonistic life (like say the gold coast).

i ask because i have some videos of the horse racing in dubai and its just over the top luxury. and the canal estates in dubai. they seem modelled on miami.  will the oil wealth eventually just spill over into secularism . and if it does, do the hardliners take offence to a place like dubai

It's in the large corporations interests to keep most people employed and happy. A large underclass is a recipe for revolution and war; in which the high flying business leaders will most probably be rounded up and jailed or executed.

Believers are  not to allow Infidels, backsliders, atheists, fagots, warmongers, racists, liars, the sexually immoral, or any  other evil scum that God hates inside their houses or even their churches....Judge righteously and faithfully .... 8-)

>  in which the high flying business leaders will most probably be rounded up and jailed or executed.

Only if they lose the war, and not always then. Read some history about what happened after the Hitler war. Ever heard of "Operation Paperclip"? And the most financially valuable Japanese business leaders were put back in charge to crank things back up.

Atheist warmongers are going to burn in hell forever, it says they are tormented day and night by Jesus Christ... 8-)

You are definitely on a roll Corporate Whitey, never seen you in better form.

Come On don't stop this entertainment blitz, we are waiting with salivating tongues for more of your rollicking tirades!