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Title: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by gandalf on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

No doubt everyone has heard of the youtube videos of so called muslims "patrolling" the streets of London, harassing women and people with alcohol.

What you have probably not heard was the condemnation it received from bodies representing mainstream muslims in the UK - who describe it as "unislamic":

Quote:

The Muslim Council of Britain has rejected the notion that there is any scriptural basis for this type of harassment.

“All of it was very very un-Islamic,” said Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra of the Muslim Council of Britain told The Telegraph.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/muslim-patrol-enforcing-sharia-e-london-article-1.1253893#ixzz2KftrQN00

watch MCB representative condemning muslim patrols:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Ger9Vi-fc

On a more up-beat note, another type of 'muslim patrol' has been happening - one far more positive and tolerant, and which really *DOES* represent mainstream islam. In the north of England where towns have been affected by severe snowstorms, muslims have been mobilizing themselves to help the community by shovelling snow along the footpaths. Its a small thing, but a nice gesture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K47C3wTZL5U

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Bertram on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

Jihad against snow. I like.

(or is it because it's white?)

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Karnal on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 2:50am

Oh, no no no. This is simply not possible. Muslim moderates condemning extremists? Muslims helping people in the snow like St Bernard? Whatever next?

There must be something in it for the Muselman - a sinister PR campaign, a cunning ploy, a clever ruse to pull the wool over whitey’s eyes until, when he least expects it, the fuse can be lit.

It is, quite simply, impossible.

Never ever.

Absolutely.

On stilts.

Er, do they hand out brandy? I think the old boy’s had a bit of a turn.

Come to think of it, I’m rather parched myself. Brandies all round, Hamed. Oh, and get the smelling salts out for the cheese dealer. He’s gone the colour of a mass produced camenbert.

He’s usually more like a blue vein, so that’s saying something.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Big Dave on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

So called Muslim moderates got up after the last Sydney riot fiasco and did the same thing. How about they get up and tackle these idiots instead of waiting for it to happen and then doing something. It makes me wonder why they don't.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Karnal on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

Big Dave wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

You used to wonder why they didn’t speak up at all.

Like to wonder, don’t you, Big Dave?

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Big Dave on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 3:14pm

I do like to wonder Karnal. what's the use of condemning when the action has occurred? Maybe you need to wonder a bit?

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Bertram on Feb 15^th, 2013 at 4:54pm

Big Dave wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

They, like everybody else, are afraid of people who carry signs about beheading people who disagree with them. When one side threatens the other with death, the conversation is over.
Moderate Muslim will be shrill and pouting and shouting at anyone who doesn't threaten to kill them, which is practically everyone - other than their co-religionists. SO welcome to Islam's civil war. You didn't want to be invited, let alone attend, but sorry, it's home delivered whether you want it or not.
Brian says it's the rich tapestry and diversity and we are the world and all that. (But he's a dog, so he has no idea, really.)

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Karnal on Mar 9^th, 2013 at 7:09pm

Ah yes, old boy, but you wanted to be invited, didn’t you? You love a nice war. Dust off the old uniform, polish up that spiked helmet and wax up the saddle.

Keep it warm for some hot aktion, dear. Mother will be home later.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Soren on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:27am

When one side threatens to kill the other, the conversation is over. But to you, that's just a case of insensitivity by the threatened party.

A gaybo as the defender of the immersers-in-sh!t-of-gaybos - a marvellous post-modern novelty, innit? Thank you Michel, merci, Roland.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Karnal on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:18am

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:27am:

A gaybo as the defender of the immersers-in-sh!t-of-gaybos - a marvellous post-modern novelty, innit?

A stool marinade? Well, yes. I imagine it would be quite a novelty.

Are you thinking of opening a resturant?

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Soren on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 8:15pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 2:18am:

Soren wrote on Mar 10^th, 2013 at 12:27am:

A gaybo as the defender of the immersers-in-sh!t-of-gaybos - a marvellous post-modern novelty, innit?

A stool marinade? Well, yes. I imagine it would be quite a novelty.

Are you thinking of opening a resturant?

For people like you? Good idea.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Herbert on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:24am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

You're another one who is grasping at this straw in the vain hope of saving 'Islam' from the condemnation it deserves.

To any thinking person it is totally obvious that the local Muslims allowed this to happen without any let or hindrance.

The local imams, community elders, and lay congregation could easily have stopped this small group of fellow Muslims from harassing the public as they walked through this neighbourhood.

It was only a matter of a delegation of senior Muslims and clergy approaching these street thugs to tell them to desist forthwith with what they were doing as it was counter-productive and bad PR for the 'good name' of Islam.

And if this group of street Islamists refused to stop doing what they were doing, then the senior Muslims could easily have appointed a group of young Muslims to accompany these delinquents and act as Human Shields to protect the general public from their intimidatory behaviour.

But instead, the Muslim hypocrites who sought to present a 'disapproving' stance against these street bully-boys were in fact their collaborators and facilitators for deciding to do nothing about it.

They did nothing themselves, and lodged no complaint with the police that this group was acting illegally in the public domain of the local neighbourhood.

Why? ~ Because basically they were in agreement with this group, and could not fault them on Islamic law.

As for the London police, the mayor, and the politicians ~ it doesn't need saying that all of these pathetic 'guardians of the public interest' failed miserably by refusing to arrest these vigilante Muslims and lock them up under a whole swathe of Public Nuisance charges.

Sorry, gandalf, but your little propaganda effort to white-wash Islam has once again backfired on you. You've shot yourself in the foot.

But otherwise ... keep on truckin' and Have a Noice Day. 8-)

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Herbert on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:41am

Big Dave wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

Where were the 'Muslim moderates' when the police and the general public needed some Human Shields to protect them against the Brothers who were chucking a riot in Sydney?

Nowhere to be seen.

And we know they all carry mobile phones and can summon car-loads of their friends at a moment's notice.

Where were they?

All huddled together at the Lakemba mosque busily nutting out some face-saving statement for the media in defence of the 'good name' of Islam.

They are all part of the same bat colony. Despite their internal squabbling, at the end of the day they all hang together as a unified collective against the Unbeliever.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on Apr 30^th, 2013 at 9:58pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 8:41am:

Big Dave wrote on Feb 14^th, 2013 at 4:38pm:

Where were the 'Muslim moderates' when the police and the general public needed some Human Shields to protect them against the Brothers who were chucking a riot in Sydney?

Nowhere to be seen.

IMAGE...

Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' ISLAM and moslems really are.

What i want to know, is when the Sydney moslem community later held a press conference, why didn't the spokesmen unequivocally 'condemn' the Sydney CBD protesters ???

e.g. with a statement like this....
"We the moslem community condemn this incitement to murder, by persons purporting to be moslems."

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on Apr 30^th, 2013 at 10:48pm

Yadda

Do you support the resistance movement in Palestine?

You seem to be very passionate about freedom, human rights and justice

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 8:59am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Apr 30^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Yadda

Do you support the resistance movement in Palestine?

You seem to be very passionate about freedom, human rights and justice

chimp,

'The resistance movement in Palestine' are cowardly thugs and murderers.

chimp,

Do >> you << support the resistance movement in Palestine?

+++

chimp,

Once again, in your post, you are misrepresenting the circumstances.

You frame your question in such a way, as to suggest that, 'The resistance movement in Palestine', are fighting for 'freedom, human rights and justice'.

'The resistance movement in Palestine', are not freedom fighters, fighting for 'freedom, human rights and justice'.

A freedom fighter, is a person who fights for the freedom of others.

'Palestinians' are not fighting for the freedom of others.

'The resistance movement in Palestine' is fighting for the right, to 'lawfully' murder others who do not believe what they believe.

I post here, information in support of my argument that 'the resistance movement in Palestine', are not freedom fighters....

Quote:

News items,

Dec. 2, 2006
Gaza women warned of immodesty
A....group calling itself the Just Swords of Islam issued a warning to Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip over the weekend that they must wear the hijab or face being targeted by the group's members.
.....The group said its followers last week threw acid at the face of a young woman who was dressed "immodestly" in the center of Gaza City.
.....the group also claimed responsibility for attacks on 12 Internet cafes over the past few days.
....."We will have no mercy on any woman who violates the traditions of Islam and who also hang out in Internet cafes."
ACCORDING TO THE GROUP, ITS MEMBERS USED ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES to attack 12 Internet cafes and a number of music shops in different parts of the Gaza Strip.
It said the places were targeted because they were "distracting an entire generation of Palestinians from their duty to worship [Alla] and jihad....
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881802888&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

June 3, 2008
Anti-Christian 'Cleansing' Campaign Picks Up Pace in Gaza
Attacks on Christian targets and those identified with Western culture have grown more frequent in Gaza in the past two years, and especially since the Hamas takeover in June 2007, experts say. The targets have included churches, Christian and United Nations schools, the American International School, libraries and Internet cafes.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126388

In those last two stories, did you notice a target 'inclination' there?

I did.

Destroy schools.
Destroy libraries.
Destroy Internet cafes [with RPG's].
Throw acid in the faces of [un-submissive] women.

AND of course,
......'Palestinian' children will throw rocks at Israeli tanks [which makes for great PR images, eh?],
......and ISLAMISTS ceaselessly encourage 'Palestinian' children to become suicide bombers, at Israeli army checkpoints.

2 Q's.
....why don't the Palestinian 'freedom fighters' use the RPG's against the Israeli tanks???
....and do the Palestinian 'freedom fighters' feel any trepidation, when they are [fearlessly] throwing acid in the faces of young women?

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 11:30am

Yadda,

so you reject the basic moral and ethical "Principle of Universality"

interesting way of living - I know that Hitler also refused to adhere to this basic principle

you are in good company

well done

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 11:30am:

chimp,

#1,
Before convicting me of being a compatriot of Hitler,
....why don't you define what the term "Principle of Universality" means, TO YOU <------ ???

chimp,

By "Principle of Universality", do you mean the universality of human brotherhood ???

The 'universality' of human brotherhood, which is rejected by ISLAM.

Is that want you mean ?

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Google;
how islam divides the world, Dar al-Harbi

#2,
chimp,

Are you a moslem ? [....because you do always support moslem/ISLAMIC causes, in this forum]

If you are you a moslem, why haven't you declared it in this forum ?

If you are you a moslem, are you ashamed, to declare it ?

I can understand why that would be.

+++

Dictionary;
hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:48pm

Yadda

You are the 17th most racist bigot that I have come across over the internet

Youre level of ignorance is first class

You have brought great shame upon yourself in the public realm

There are 11 things that you need to do on a personal level so that your inner character and integrity can be redeemed from the carcass filled waste lands of Hades

11 things that you need to focus on over the next 5 years

You are running out of time

Your very soul is dissolving in the stench mud of Babylon

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Karnal on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:49pm

Answer the question, Chimp. Are you now, or have you ever been, a card-carrying Muslim?

What are the 11 things, Y needs to focus on, Chimp?

Please explain.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 2:12pm

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 11:30am:

ON THIS FORUM;
chimp has accused me of being a bigot, a racist.

BUT;
1/
chimp refuses to answer my reasonable questions, about his/her own motives in this forum.

2/
chimp refuses to show any accountability for his/her expressed opinions.

3/
chimp refuses to show any accountability for his/her accusations against others [myself] in this forum.

+++

Accusations made against others.

But no accountability for self, or motives.

hmmm.

Seems very much like a moslem heart to me.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 3:26pm

Karnal wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Answer the question, Chimp. Are you now, or have you ever been, a card-carrying Muslim?

What are the 11 things, Y needs to focus on, Chimp?

Please explain.

K,

My reply to your post, is here.....

"....when you can't say what you know to be true...."

PJTV: Are Liberals Realizing the Dangers of Radical Islam? goto 7m 25s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWaCm3l6818

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 8:04pm

Karnal wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Answer the question, Chimp. Are you now, or have you ever been, a card-carrying Muslim?

What are the 11 things, Y needs to focus on, Chimp?

Please explain.

HOW DARE YOU INTERFERE IN THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MYSLEF AND YADDA

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 8:28pm

Yadda,

Now where were we?

Ok now I remember!

Your punishment for being a lunatic racist freak clown maggot is to browse this standard quantum derivation and advise on the ONE error that exists within it

I strongly suggest that you DO NOT MAKE A FATAL MSITAKE with this rather simple compulsory assignment

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:26pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 8:04pm:

Karnal wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Answer the question, Chimp. Are you now, or have you ever been, a card-carrying Muslim?

What are the 11 things, Y needs to focus on, Chimp?

Please explain.

HOW DARE YOU INTERFERE IN THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MYSLEF AND YADDA

iSo chimp,

Are you going to address the question i posed, re what your term "Principle of Universality" means, TO YOU <------ ???

Hmmmm ?

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 1:16pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 11:30am:

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:28pm

......or are you an insincere person [i.e. a hypocrite], chimp ?

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:46pm

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:28pm:

......or are you an insincere person [i.e. a hypocrite], chimp ?

that is a very interesting question

NASA have an algorithm that can provide you with an approximate answer to that question

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:09pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:46pm:

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 9:28pm:

......or are you an insincere person [i.e. a hypocrite], chimp ?

that is a very interesting question

But it is not a question which you are willing to address.

Because you are weak.

Because your arguing position is weak.

And in open debate, when your own position [argument, worldview] is confronted by a superior reasoning and argument, you will simply refuse to acknowledge how weak your own arguing position is.

So you simply deflect, deceive, and obfuscate......

.......because you are a weak, weak, [and deeply insincere] person.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:14pm

Yadda

I cant really assist you

Your innate racist bigotry is matter for you and your therapist, remembering that anti psychotic drugs and cranial surgery can only do so much

good luck you freak clown maggot

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:14pm

chimp,

In this forum, you are afforded the opportunity to make your argument, publicly.

But your argument is so, so, weak.

And in open debate, when your own position [argument, worldview] is confronted by a superior reasoning and argument, you will simply refuse to acknowledge how weak your own arguing position is.

You 'run away'.

You simply deflect, deceive, and obfuscate......

.......because you are a weak, weak, [and deeply insincere] person.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Yadda on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:17pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:14pm:

Yes, personal abuse.

The last refuge of the utterly weak debater.

The debater who cannot defend his argument.

So he reverts to his last refuge, unreasoning abuse.

You poor thing.

Title: Re: Two different muslim patrols in the UK
Post by Chimp_Logic on May 1^st, 2013 at 11:24pm

Yadda wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:17pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on May 1^st, 2013 at 10:14pm:

Yes, personal abuse.

The last refuge of the utterly weak debater.

The debater who cannot defend his argument.

So he reverts to his last refuge, unreasoning abuse.

You poor thing.

the truth always hurts when you look into the mirror Yadda

Repent

The soul has rotted to the point that it emits the foul stench of Hades

you just don't have much time left

Only little baby Jesus can save your pathetic retched state of existence

Its out of my hands now - I really cant help you