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.........Tabari 8:122/Ishaq:515 The Prophet gave orders to Zubayr concerning Kinanah, saying, “Torture him until you root out and extract what he has.” So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him. Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ” ...

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..........Qur’an 2:223 “Your wives are as a piece of cultivated land unto you; so approach your land when or how you will;” Qur’an 4:3 “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.” Qur’an 4:24 [A man is permitted to take slave women outside of marriage] “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.” Qur’an 4:34 “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” Bukhari:V1B6N301 “[Muhammad] said, ‘O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).’ They asked, ‘Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?’ He said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’  They replied in the affirmative.  He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religion.’ ” ...

It's evidence of the great love  and peace that is Islam.

Anyone who says otherwise is obviously:
1. doesn't speak classical Arabic and so misunderstand the passage - in English it comes across as completely different from the original Arabic,
2. is an Islamophobe and is taking the passage outa context

Very good Soren - you are learning!

Though you are a bit harsh - I would take out the words "is an islamophobe" in point 2 - thats not really fair.

Yeah, I know, only the craziest, most outlandish exaggeration will be acceptable to Muslims.

Anything else, like facing the unvarnished truth of Islam's reality,  is just Islamophobic.
Muslims cannot be expected to take responsibility for the societies they have created.

Is this translatable this into classical Arabic? Probably not.

all share same biology/anatomy

human

sectarian doctrinizationalisms and dogmatic repeatisms

do not alter this fact

is this lost upon those that would continue to

create division?

these institutionalized religious divisions and

repeatisms from dupes may continue

freewill yes,

this does not effect unto the fact that is

the global population of humans on your world

be at peace within as much

all is well

carry on regardless

namaste

- : )

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..........institutionalized religious divisions and repeatisms from dupes may continue freewill yes, this does not effect unto the fact that is the global population of humans on your world be at peace within as much  ..............

not according to the koran.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

Quote: .........Tabari 8:122/Ishaq:515 The Prophet gave orders to Zubayr concerning Kinanah, saying, “Torture him until you root out and extract what he has.” So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him. Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ” ...

Those words are found in Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Mohammad.

Kinnah was a jew who was married to a very pretty woman called Safiyya.
Mohammad who is gods right hand man according to Islam and muslims ordered Kinnah to be tortured so he would give up where the tribes wealth was hidden so they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.
Muslims will say Mo was a kind man who married widows and he married the newly widowed Safiyya that very night after ordering the torture and death of Safiyya's husband during that day.
Muslims will claim Safiyya consented to marry Mohammad on the very same day he had her husbands head chopped off.
Mohammad married Juwariya in similar circumstances after attacking her tribe and killing all the men along with stealing all their wealth.

Asma bint Marwan shows how Mohammad dealt with Islamophobia.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 9^th, 2013 at 1:47pm:

Quote: ..........Qur’an 2:223 “Your wives are as a piece of cultivated land unto you; so approach your land when or how you will;” Qur’an 4:3 “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.” Qur’an 4:24 [A man is permitted to take slave women outside of marriage] “And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you.” Qur’an 4:34 “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.” Bukhari:V1B6N301 “[Muhammad] said, ‘O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).’ They asked, ‘Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?’ He said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’  They replied in the affirmative.  He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religion.’ ” ...

Muslims will say the Quran is the direct word from Allah, after reading the Quran it appears this Allah creator of the universe has the mentality of a tribal warlord from the Arabian desert.

Who would worship a god that demands 20% of all war booty?
www.quran.com/8/41

Muslims will riot over burning the Quran yet the fine print in the Quran says it is not from allah.
www.quran.com/4/82

Islam is the last of the flat earth beliefs to reform which cannot happen while they execute people for blasphemy in Islamic parts of the world.
www.quran.com/18/86

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SOUTH Australia's biggest Islamic school has warned teachers, including many non-Muslims, that they will lose their jobs if they do not wear a hijab to school functions and outings. Up to 20 non-Muslim female teachers, who do not wish to be named, have been told they will be sacked from the Islamic College of South Australia's West Croydon campus after three warnings if they do not wear a headscarf to cover their hair. The order, from the school's governing board and chairman Faruk Kahn, contradicts the policy of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils. Mr Kahn yesterday referred The Advertiser to AFIC for comment on the matter. "I have no comment ... I think you better go to AFIC, they are the only ones that are to make comment," Mr Kahn said. School principal Kadir Emniyet did not return calls. AFIC assistant secretary Keysar Trad said the policy was at odds with the national federation, but it was powerless to intervene. Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. To cover or not to coverShould non-Muslim teachers be sacked if they don't wear the hijab? Yes  No  Vote now     Recommended CoverageRelated Coverage . New party wants 'Muslim intake' cuts A "POLITICALLY incorrect" party run by a Sri Lankan-born pastor has vowed to abolish multiculturalism in the unlikely event that it wins power...End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. "I'm aware there's a policy at that school with respect to the scarf," Mr Trad said. "The AFIC policy is not to require any teacher to observe the hijab. In SA, the board itself has decided they want to operate in their way and we are not allowed to interfere in the matter. "We maintain that staff should dress modestly but not be required by the nature of policy to wear the hijab." Mr Trad said that matters of unfair dismissal resulting from teachers disobeying the school's hijab policy should be referred to Fair Work Australia. "It's confusing for our children to see their teachers wearing the scarf in school and then they take it off when they are out shopping and the children see them there," he said. "It is also a respect thing for our staff. If they are not Muslim they should not be forced to dress as Muslim." One long-term teacher at the Islamic College of SA said a new school board was now "forcing teachers to put hijabs back on". "There's no discussion ... you wear it or you're fired," the teacher said. "The teachers have always adhered to the policies and we are respectful of that. "We are respectful of their religion but they are not going to respect us." The college has about 800 students and 40 staff. Guidelines from the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils to other Islamic schools do not require teachers to wear hijabs. Glen Seidel, state secretary of the Independent Education Union, said the union was monitoring the policy. "Essentially it means female staff have to wear a scarf covering most of their hair, and not have legs and arms exposed," he said. "In 2012, the requirement was being managed moderately, but with a new principal in 2013 enacting the decisions of a very conservative school board, there is no room for compromise." Mr Seidel said the union's view is staff should be free to decide whether to wear a scarf. "The ultimate test would be in an unfair dismissal action to see if that requirement would be considered a `reasonable direction' and the termination therefore being reasonable. "This is not a matter (in which) religious organisations are exempted from equal opportunity legislation in order to not cause offence to the `adherents of the faith'," Mr Seidel said. "Non-Islamic staff are not being discriminated (against) in their employment as it is the same code for all. "Non-Islamic staff can, however, feel rightly aggrieved that they are being coerced to adopt the dress code of a religion to which they do not belong."

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/teachers-at-islamic-college-of-south-australias-west-croydon-campus-ordered-to-wear-hijab-or-face-sack/story-e6freon6-1226575723406

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AFIC assistant secretary Keysar Trad said the policy was at odds with the national federation, but it was powerless to intervene.

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"The AFIC policy is not to require any teacher to observe the hijab. In SA, the board itself has decided they want to operate in their way and we are not allowed to interfere in the matter. "We maintain that staff should dress modestly but not be required by the nature of policy to wear the hijab."

I predict a backdown.

gandalf - you are trying hard and I appreciate that.

Gandalf doesn’t even have to try. The evidence is all in the knucklehead posts you make - if not explicitly as above, then implicitly by omission.

I know Christian schools that only employ teachers who can demonstrate regular church attendance - completely against the principles of EEO, but there you have it. Actually, EEO legislation includes an out for religious schools and charities, but religions should still respect the principle of the best person for whatever job they’re recruiting for.

What’s worse - a dress code or a contract of the soul?

I don’t know which I prefer least - proof of faith or head covering, but it’s the way some Christian positions recruit that gets me, as if attendance at church and a letter from a minister means anything at all. Some apostles wouldn’t have passed that test if Jesus took references for becoming fishers of men.

The hijab should be a personal choice, not a uniform.

Karnal wrote on Feb 13^th, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Gandalf doesn’t even have to try. The evidence is all in the knucklehead posts you make - if not explicitly as above, then implicitly by omission. I know Christian schools that only employ teachers who can demonstrate regular church attendance - completely against the principles of EEO, but there you have it. Actually, EEO legislation includes an out for religious schools and charities, but religions should still respect the principle of the best person for whatever job they’re recruiting for. What’s worse - a dress code or a contract of the soul? I don’t know which I prefer least - proof of faith or head covering, but it’s the way some Christian positions recruit that gets me, as if attendance at church and a letter from a minister means anything at all. Some apostles wouldn’t have passed that test if Jesus took references for becoming fishers of men. The hijab should be a personal choice, not a uniform.

Ishaq:342

“I wonder at foolish men like these who sing frivolously and vainly of the slain at Badr. This was nothing more than an impious and odious crime. Men fought against their brothers, fathers, and sons. Any with discernment and understanding recognize the wrong that was done here.”