The continuous argument will carry on with great vigour during an election year. Already some patterns are emerging.

Many of us on the left have little time for the current government or the PM. But those on the right, headed by Mindless Maqqa, are convinced Abbott and the Liberals can do nothing wrong.

Orwell's "Four legs good, two legs bad" has been replaced by "Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic.

Why is this? Why is it that if his beloved Abbott was found in bed with a troop of Girl Guides, Maqqa would parrot about how wonderful it was to see him taking an interest in the youth of the country?

I think the reason is simple. Maqqa and his mates have lost all capacity of thought and reason. Like Orwell's sheep they have become cannon fodder, Abbott's flock.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The continuous argument will carry on with great vigour during an election year. Already some patterns are emerging. Many of us on the left have little time for the current government or the PM. But those on the right, headed by Mindless Maqqa, are convinced Abbott and the Liberals can do nothing wrong. Orwell's "Four legs good, two legs bad" has been replaced by "Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic. Why is this? Why is it that if his beloved Abbott was found in bed with a troop of Girl Guides, Maqqa would parrot about how wonderful it was to see him taking an interest in the youth of the country? I think the reason is simple. Maqqa and his mates have lost all capacity of thought and reason. Like Orwell's sheep they have become cannon fodder, Abbott's flock.

Looks like selective reading there     ;)

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

I think the reason is simple. Maqqa and his mates have lost all capacity of thought and reason. Like Orwell's sheep they have become cannon fodder, Abbott's flock.

Phoney's pony's.

It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government

You mean like Tony Abbotts "iron clad guarantee" before the 2004 election that he wouldn't change medicare........and after the election that is exactly what he did.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/abbott-defends-broken-promise/2805876

I agree with the op. I see the coalition as the worse of two evils but the "coalition cheer squad" seem to have thrown reason out of the window with their doting of the coalition.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:31pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government You mean like Tony Abbotts "iron clad guarantee" before the 2004 election that he wouldn't change medicare........and after the election that is exactly what he did. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/abbott-defends-broken-promise/2805876 I agree with the op. I see the coalition as the worse of two evils but the "coalition cheer squad" seem to have thrown reason out of the window with their doting of the coalition.

(1) Lets assume Abbott lied here - how does that make Gillard's lie acceptable?

(2) Abbott's change is an issue for the Budget - Swan's been changing his mind about budget spending for the last 5 Budgets

(3) You are now trying to compare a Budget issue with implementing a brand new policy system of the Carbon Tax?


However you want to compare - Australians are astute enough to see that the Carbon Tax lie is alot different to the so called Medicare lie

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:31pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government You mean like Tony Abbotts "iron clad guarantee" before the 2004 election that he wouldn't change medicare........and after the election that is exactly what he did. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/abbott-defends-broken-promise/2805876 I agree with the op. I see the coalition as the worse of two evils but the "coalition cheer squad" seem to have thrown reason out of the window with their doting of the coalition. (1) Lets assume Abbott lied here - how does that make Gillard's lie acceptable? (2) Abbott's change is an issue for the Budget - Swan's been changing his mind about budget spending for the last 5 Budgets (3) You are now trying to compare a Budget issue with implementing a brand new policy system of the Carbon Tax? However you want to compare - Australians are astute enough to see that the Carbon Tax lie is alot different to the so called Medicare lie

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You are the one who brought up "accountability for promises" not me.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government

No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here.

Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything .

Many of us in the centre couldn't give a toss, and just want to see sensible, substantiated, realistic policies.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here. Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything .

Who's in government?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:48pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:31pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government You mean like Tony Abbotts "iron clad guarantee" before the 2004 election that he wouldn't change medicare........and after the election that is exactly what he did. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/abbott-defends-broken-promise/2805876 I agree with the op. I see the coalition as the worse of two evils but the "coalition cheer squad" seem to have thrown reason out of the window with their doting of the coalition. (1) Lets assume Abbott lied here - how does that make Gillard's lie acceptable? (2) Abbott's change is an issue for the Budget - Swan's been changing his mind about budget spending for the last 5 Budgets (3) You are now trying to compare a Budget issue with implementing a brand new policy system of the Carbon Tax? However you want to compare - Australians are astute enough to see that the Carbon Tax lie is alot different to the so called Medicare lie ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You are the one who brought up "accountability for promises" not me. :D :D :D :D :D :D

So how does that make Gillard's lie anymore acceptable?

For the record, I think Gillard has been an utter failure of a PM.

However I have no confidence that Tony Abbott is any better.
I think he's an excellent attack opposition leader but not good on putting his own policies forward, whereas Turnbull (my preferred PM) is.

However to say "All liberal good. All Labor bad"?

Have a look at someone like Buzz who forms his view on something based on who said it!

Adelcrow would pin the Lindbergh kidnapping on Abbott if he could and will never give him any credit.

It is sad the lack of objectivity on here.

Given I won't vote and am insulated from the errors of any policy, maybe I am afforded the luxury of objectivity.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:

It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government

Isnt labor/gillard just full of themselves.

I heard that gillard is happy that the carbon tax is behind her now come next election.

Sorry to break it to you, but people are just sick of telling you that you f'ed up and are a liar.

We are just waiting for the next election to get rid of you and labor and couldnt be bothered telling you any further.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The continuous argument will carry on with great vigour during an election year. Already some patterns are emerging. Many of us on the left have little time for the current government or the PM. But those on the right, headed by Mindless Maqqa, are convinced Abbott and the Liberals can do nothing wrong. Orwell's "Four legs good, two legs bad" has been replaced by "Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic. Why is this? Why is it that if his beloved Abbott was found in bed with a troop of Girl Guides, Maqqa would parrot about how wonderful it was to see him taking an interest in the youth of the country? I think the reason is simple. Maqqa and his mates have lost all capacity of thought and reason. Like Orwell's sheep they have become cannon fodder, Abbott's flock.

Very true, but the same goes for many on the left with Labor.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:48pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:31pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government You mean like Tony Abbotts "iron clad guarantee" before the 2004 election that he wouldn't change medicare........and after the election that is exactly what he did. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-22/abbott-defends-broken-promise/2805876 I agree with the op. I see the coalition as the worse of two evils but the "coalition cheer squad" seem to have thrown reason out of the window with their doting of the coalition. (1) Lets assume Abbott lied here - how does that make Gillard's lie acceptable? (2) Abbott's change is an issue for the Budget - Swan's been changing his mind about budget spending for the last 5 Budgets (3) You are now trying to compare a Budget issue with implementing a brand new policy system of the Carbon Tax? However you want to compare - Australians are astute enough to see that the Carbon Tax lie is alot different to the so called Medicare lie

Yea, maqqa, I agree, it's a lie to call the price on carbon a tax. When you're able to provide a receipt with a carbon tax listed on it Ill believe you.  You see Australians with a brain larger than yours, so 99.99 % of the population, would understand via the news footage available that Gillard said if elected she would price carbon, but there's always a couple of dumbfvcks tha don't understand even the simplest statements.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

"Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic.

Politics Peter, and this is a 'politics' forum.....

Having a particular political preference often tends to make one over defend the views  of the party of best fit.  You do it as well........ ;)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

For the record, I think Gillard has been an utter failure of a PM. However I have no confidence that Tony Abbott is any better. I think he's an excellent attack opposition leader but not good on putting his own policies forward, whereas Turnbull (my preferred PM) is. However to say "All liberal good. All Labor bad"? Have a look at someone like Buzz who forms his view on something based on who said it! Adelcrow would pin the Lindbergh kidnapping on Abbott if he could and will never give him any credit. It is sad the lack of objectivity on here. Given I won't vote and am insulated from the errors of any policy, maybe I am afforded the luxury of objectivity.

Agreed.

The sickening bipartisan nature of this forum, from both sides, is the main reason why I scarcely post.

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here. Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything . Who's in government?

Pathetic response, Maqqa, even by your low standards. You're telling us you would hold a Liberal government up to the same scrutiny?

Pull the other one..........

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:07pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:02pm:   "Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic. Politics Peter, and this is a 'politics' forum..... Having a particular political preference often tends to make one over defend the views  of the party of best fit.  You do it as well........ ;) [quote] That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. There is a huge difference in "defending the views" and the sort of single-minded crap you and Maqqa come out with every day. I have my own views. I don't like the current ALP and have little time for Gillard, I think she has courage, but little else. I don't trust Abbott and believe the name of his party is based on a lie, they certainly are not "liberal". Had I the vote, I couldn't support either. My position is based on thought and reason. You and your running mate Maqqa base your views on intense hatred and mindless, unquestioning adoration.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:58pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here. Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything . Who's in government? Pathetic response, Maqqa, even by your low standards. You're telling us you would hold a Liberal government up to the same scrutiny? Pull the other one..........

Your side as just as bad.

I don't have a side. I think for myself.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:32pm:

I don't have a side. I think for myself.

You identified yourself as left in your first post.

john_g wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 1:32pm: I don't have a side. I think for myself. You identified yourself as left in your first post.

Ooops yep I believe you did PF..... :D

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:

The continuous argument will carry on with great vigour during an election year. Already some patterns are emerging. Many of us on the left have little time for the current government or the PM. But those on the right, headed by Mindless Maqqa, are convinced Abbott and the Liberals can do nothing wrong. Orwell's "Four legs good, two legs bad" has been replaced by "Liberals good, Labor baaaaad" no matter what the topic. Why is this? Why is it that if his beloved Abbott was found in bed with a troop of Girl Guides, Maqqa would parrot about how wonderful it was to see him taking an interest in the youth of the country? I think the reason is simple. Maqqa and his mates have lost all capacity of thought and reason. Like Orwell's sheep they have become cannon fodder, Abbott's flock.

;D ;D ;D ;D Peter    little white lie

Of course I am leftwing. I amalso an independent thinker. I am as critical of the ALP as the LNP, probably more so, because I expect more from them.

"little white lie" - geez you guys think so simplistically, everything has to be black and white for you.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 12:50pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here. Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything .

and theres me thinking this was going to a debate..about the

good the bad and the ugly..

but its  a lets hang macca thread..

dont we have enough threads on here that bring out the childish behaviour  of the worst of the worst on here??

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 1:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:58pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:50pm: Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:07pm: It's about accountability for the promises they made during an election and how they've carried it out during their term of government No, Maqqa, the ones beIng called to account in this thread and you and your cronies, people like Swagman, for example? It's Liberal toadies/Labor haters being called out here. Don't give me that "accountability" crap. You never hold the Liberals accountable for anything . Who's in government? Pathetic response, Maqqa, even by your low standards. You're telling us you would hold a Liberal government up to the same scrutiny? Pull the other one..........

It plays Jingle Bells!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQYa2epnTdo

Personally, I don't have a problem, with either Right or Left.

I am an equal opportunity employer, which means I would happily sack all of them, as they all look after their own short term interests, instead of our long term interests & I equally regard them all as a bunch of R'soles!

I agree, Cods. The best posters have left. Matty, Shane B, Blackadder, Lynn.

I like KJT1981, but she doesn’t post as much. Also, she’s still new here and getting to know everyone.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Of course I am leftwing. I amalso an independent thinker. I am as critical of the ALP as the LNP, probably more so, because I expect more from them. "little white lie" - geez you guys think so simplistically, everything has to be black and white for you.

peter may I suggest if you start a thread and want a non personal response... you might try diplomacy..

hanging the opposition before you get off the ground is hardly going to get a reasonable response..

you have admitted being less than happy with your govt.. so at least admit rightie has something to whinge about..

ok some truths hurt like hell ... we understand that we really do..

but shooting down everything a rightie says....even though you admit you agree with him... isnt exactly going to get decent discussion..


what are your complaints about Abbott.? for instance..I try to be fair and say he hasnt been a PM as yet.. he is condemned before he gets off the ground...when he was a member of the govt he wasnt the PM..so why shouldnt he get some support from Liberals??..you supported rudd.. and he came from nowhere...

a lot of lefties on here claim they would vote Liberal if Turnbull was the leader.... as if that changes the philosophy of the Liberal Party..

one man or women does not make a govt.

Karnal wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 2:50pm:

I agree, Cods. The best posters have left. Matty, Shane B, Blackadder, Lynn. I like KJT1981, but she doesn’t post as much. Also, she’s still new here and getting to know everyone.

you been at the bottle again???? tsk tsk.,

Both Labor and the Liberals are Center Right..the Nationals are Country Socialists and the Greens are Center Left Progressives.
Left and Right are just left over propaganda terms from the Cold War and now we have the propaganda from the Denialists and Freedom Fries crowds to replace the old Cold War propaganda machine.
Funnily enough the Denailists and the Freedom Friers are pretty much the same dimwits  ;D

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 2:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 2:50pm: I agree, Cods. The best posters have left. Matty, Shane B, Blackadder, Lynn. I like KJT1981, but she doesn’t post as much. Also, she’s still new here and getting to know everyone. you been at the bottle again???? tsk tsk.,

That's not you being abusive again  is it, cods?

;)

Cods, I am not interested in whether the responses are personal or not.

There are some here with whom you cannot reason, Maqqa is one of them. He and some of his mates make much of keeping some people to account. Maybe it is time THEY were held up to the light as well.

I don't like Abbott for a huge number of reasons, his strange behaviour, conservative social views and his admission that you cannot believe anything he says unless it is written down, will do for a start.

I believe Gillard is politically naive and knows little of the principles of the labor movement. I consider the Parliamentary wing haslost its way and the party is too dominated by the union movement
That is a balanced view, is it not?

Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades...
AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades... AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif

I laugh at the buggers that think calling the GREENS watermelons is some kind of insult. ;D ;D ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:03pm:

Both Labor and the Liberals are Center Right..the Nationals are Country Socialists and the Greens are Center Left Progressives. Left and Right are just left over propaganda terms from the Cold War and now we have the propaganda from the Denialists and Freedom Fries crowds to replace the old Cold War propaganda machine. Funnily enough the Denailists and the Freedom Friers are pretty much the same dimwits  ;D

The Libs are nowhere near centre. This is how it goes:

Labor - centre, formerly centre-left.
Liberal - right, formerly centre-right.
Nationals - far-right, formerly right.
Greens - centre-left, formerly left.

Everyone's gone up one, away from the left.

Watermelons are among the most delicious of fruit and every part is useful.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:07pm:

Cods, I am not interested in whether the responses are personal or not. There are some here with whom you cannot reason, Maqqa is one of them. He and some of his mates make much of keeping some people to account. Maybe it is time THEY were held up to the light as well. I don't like Abbott for a huge number of reasons, his strange behaviour, conservative social views and his admission that you cannot believe anything he says unless it is written down, will do for a start. I believe Gillard is politically naive and knows little of the principles of the labor movement. I consider the Parliamentary wing haslost its way and the party is too dominated by the union movement That is a balanced view, is it not?

for a lefty well done very balanced and a first for me to read without being abused... thank you for that..

you see what you read in macca is what we righties read in certain lefties..UNREASONABLE

so its the same thing.. you read someone like. valley boy.. oops wiseone..he abuses anyone for reading or c&p Daily Telegraph yet he is addicted to the Independent.. isnt that the same thing?? well it is to me..

yep I do agree that some righties are very very LOUD if thats the word..aggressive may be better

but when you read some of the trash and thats putting it mildly from lefties on here..regarding Abbott...

it provokes that type of response..

I prefer not to respond to mindless drivel.. about Abbotts so called affairs.. and photo ops with the fire brigade..

its not what I come  on a political forum for..

I am sure if you did a study of the three worst offender from both sides on here.. you would hard pressed to find a winner... or in  my book the looser.. because I hate that dialogue.

I expect it from certainly lefties and cringe when I see it from righties..

but what can you do???.. move past dont interact I dont know.. FD must pull all his hair out.. ;D ;D

Cods, I am not interested in whether the responses are personal or not.

pf..


btw you should be as that is what takes over most of the thread..pages and pages of personal abuse..

TheGreenLight wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:20pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Both Labor and the Liberals are Center Right..the Nationals are Country Socialists and the Greens are Center Left Progressives. Left and Right are just left over propaganda terms from the Cold War and now we have the propaganda from the Denialists and Freedom Fries crowds to replace the old Cold War propaganda machine. Funnily enough the Denailists and the Freedom Friers are pretty much the same dimwits  ;D The Libs are nowhere near centre. This is how it goes: Labor - centre, formerly centre-left. Liberal - right, formerly centre-right. Nationals - far-right, formerly right. Greens - centre-left, formerly left. Everyone's gone up one, away from the left.

Bob Menzies policies would be considered extreme left by the conga line here.

skippy. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:11pm: Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades... AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif I laugh at the buggers that think calling the GREENS watermelons is some kind of insult. ;D ;D ;D

because you are too stupid to understand

skippy. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:11pm: Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades... AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif I laugh at the buggers that think calling the GREENS watermelons is some kind of insult. ;D ;D ;D

It's not an insult it's just a nic....

So Skip looks like you're laughing at your self........sooo what does that make you? ;D

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:11pm: Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades... AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif I laugh at the buggers that think calling the GREENS watermelons is some kind of insult. ;D ;D ;D because you are too stupid to understand

Lol forest calls me stupid, funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:35pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:29pm: skippy. wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:15pm: Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:11pm: Greens are eco-socialists and they have the same old marxist agendas as their pinko cold war comrades... AKA Watermelons...... http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/food19.gif I laugh at the buggers that think calling the GREENS watermelons is some kind of insult. ;D ;D ;D because you are too stupid to understand Lol forest calls me stupid, funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D

see - too stupid to understand

Thanks, cods, for the compliment, much appreciated.

I agree that if TA has had affairs they are nobody's business but his family. The same applies to Gillard.

The firefighting thing WAS a photo op, but not just that, Abbott deserves credit for his volunteer work and got it from me as well as other lefties.

Thanks again, mate, all the best.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Thanks, cods, for the compliment, much appreciated. I agree that if TA has had affairs they are nobody's business but his family. The same applies to Gillard. The firefighting thing WAS a photo op, but not just that, Abbott deserves credit for his volunteer work and got it from me as well as other lefties. Thanks again, mate, all the best.

no worries its good to talk to people who can converse instead of swearing at each other..

credit to you for patting Abbott on the back.. I have to say I havent seen one other leftie do that on here...but then I dont read everything..so take your word for it..

he is the leader of the opposition after all I am sure he has cameras camping outside his place just like gillard..and Cate Blanchett...LOL..or is that Nicole? anyway papers need headlines..

who will forget gillard falling down the stairs..or falling on her face .. its this type of thing photographers would die for..

btw a friend of mine is a volunteer SES..and she only goes when she is called to go..as far as I know thats the rules for all voluntary services..but I dont know for certain.

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 4:29pm:

credit to you for patting Abbott on the back.. I have to say I havent seen one other leftie do that on here

Annie Anthrax did it in the same thread..... :)

NZ used to have an Oppo leader, Don Brash, who was very clumsy, the photogs crowded around and he seldom let them down.

Swagman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 4:36pm:

cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 4:29pm: credit to you for patting Abbott on the back.. I have to say I havent seen one other leftie do that on here Annie Anthrax did it in the same thread..... :)

thank you m my apologies anne I did not read it honest.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 4:37pm:

NZ used to have an Oppo leader, Don Brash, who was very clumsy, the photogs crowded around and he seldom let them down.

a bit like gillard you mean?..sorry but her and pictures with Timmy really make me cringe..I feel for her when she fell on her face..but Timmy!!!! ... god help us.

Neither Gillard nor Abbott are photogenic. She often looks like an ostrich with a broom handle stuck up its bum and all you see of him are those ears.

These shouldn't matter, but in an electronic age, they do. Nixon lost to Kennedy largely because his five o'clock shadow made him look furtive on TV.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 6:22am:

Neither Gillard nor Abbott are photogenic. She often looks like an ostrich with a broom handle stuck up its bum and all you see of him are those ears. These shouldn't matter, but in an electronic age, they do. Nixon lost to Kennedy largely because his five o'clock shadow made him look furtive on TV.

times have changed I think looks are not the criteria they used to be..

its Timmy that turns me off more so than .as a PM they deserve respect.. you dont have to like them or their policies..... she lost all mine with her misogynist speech,,she didnt have a lot after the NO CARBON TAX  but after her poor me in parliament that I found a real turn off..

PM dont do that..genda should not be a component for a PM. to wield..

cods wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 6:38am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:22am: Neither Gillard nor Abbott are photogenic. She often looks like an ostrich with a broom handle stuck up its bum and all you see of him are those ears. These shouldn't matter, but in an electronic age, they do. Nixon lost to Kennedy largely because his five o'clock shadow made him look furtive on TV. times have changed I think looks are not the criteria they used to be.. its Timmy that turns me off more so than .as a PM they deserve respect.. you dont have to like them or their policies..... she lost all mine with her misogynist speech,,she didnt have a lot after the NO CARBON TAX  but after her poor me in parliament that I found a real turn off.. PM dont do that..genda should not be a component for a PM. to wield..

That speech was clever politicalily, but went too far. Abbott doesn't hate women but does see a traditional role for females, part of his Catholic upbringing, I guess.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 7:44am:

cods wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:38am: Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:22am: Neither Gillard nor Abbott are photogenic. She often looks like an ostrich with a broom handle stuck up its bum and all you see of him are those ears. These shouldn't matter, but in an electronic age, they do. Nixon lost to Kennedy largely because his five o'clock shadow made him look furtive on TV. times have changed I think looks are not the criteria they used to be.. its Timmy that turns me off more so than .as a PM they deserve respect.. you dont have to like them or their policies..... she lost all mine with her misogynist speech,,she didnt have a lot after the NO CARBON TAX  but after her poor me in parliament that I found a real turn off.. PM dont do that..genda should not be a component for a PM. to wield.. That speech was clever politicalily, but went too far. Abbott doesn't hate women but does see a traditional role for females, part of his Catholic upbringing, I guess.

the speech should never have been... as a women doing what is traditionally a mans job then she has to do it like a man... sorry can you see rudd or Howard standing up in palriament and making a speech like that....

can you see Margaret Thatcher doing that I sure as hell cant..

sorry peter but you cant play with the boys.. then whine they do not play the game like a girl...

its pathetic..she sent womens lib back decades... silly women.. I was embarrassed to be honest..

oh look hes looking at his watch??.... poor me.. what will I do????OMG..

sorry big girls dont stoop to that level..it was shoddy and weak. And embarrassing...not for the left of course theys ee that as a feather in their cap...LOL.... as a female..I could tell them  they couldnt be more wrong..



I do not see anything wrong with tradition either.. in fact I think its the fact we have lost sight of our traditions thats wrong with our society today..

our new tradition is to make it easier to hand our children over to strangers to bring up... then complain like mad when they turn out like thugs..parenting seems to stop as soon as they leave hospital... they cant wait to find childcare.

The speech was aimed at shoring up the female vote and it succeeded. Cynical. Perhaps, but good politics.

Child care can be both good and bad, socialising with other kids, learning to share, are important for toddlers to learn.

These days two incomes are deemed necessary because we live in a consumer society and, yes, kids often miss out.

I'm no traditionalist, or don't see myself as one, but can't help sometimes hankering after the good old days....much to the amusement of my teenager granddaughter.

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

The speech was aimed at shoring up the female vote and it succeeded. Cynical. Perhaps, but good politics. GOD KNOW IT SHOWED HOW WEAK SHE IS.. Child care can be both good and bad, socialising with other kids, learning to share, are important for toddlers to learn. BABIES???? These days two incomes are deemed necessary because we live in a consumer society and, yes, kids often miss out. I'm no traditionalist, or don't see myself as one, but can't help sometimes hankering after the good old days....much to the amusement of my teenager granddaughter.

there you go you said it the GOOD old days... when one could leave ones door open all night.

those were the days when mum was home keeping a steely eye on her kids..

two kids were caught lighting 9 fires the other day forgot where but they spoke to the residents..lucky someone saw them and they were caught... but they said the place was over run with kids out of control..

never happened in my day or my kids day..

When I was a kid I was part of a neighbourhood gang, during school hols we were never home to be seen over. But the worst we ever did was to put a cricket ball through someone's window or pinch plums off a tree.

Different world, mate.

One of my old journo mates, now long gone but still missed, used to talk of the good old days when men were men and women were half a crown.........wouldn't get away with that nowadays!

Peter Freedman wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

Of course I am leftwing. I amalso an independent thinker. I am as critical of the ALP as the LNP, probably more so, because I expect more from them. "little white lie" - geez you guys think so simplistically, everything has to be black and white for you.

Just accept it - think of it as a Lie in the same way that Julia lied - only in their perception.

I dont buy into all this Left v Right.

It feels far too much like cheer leading or supporting a football team.

Anyone who says "I am a Labor man, thats how I always vote" or likewise for the otherside is an absolute idiot.
How can you identify with a party and just always support them???

The way I take is the right way - which is set out what you believe in, have your views and then put your vote to whichever party or politician is giving you the best chance of your views happening.

Me personally, I believe in core principles -

1) Market Capitalism
2) Strong border control
3) Foreign intervention in conflicts where our security is threatened
4) Low Taxation, less Government interference
5) Social welfare only for the most needy and a hard driven incentive to ensure people help themselves
6) Strong immigration control to defend social cohesive environment
7) Strong law and order. Capital punishment for Grade A crimes


I don't buy the Right v Left. Just set out your views and back parties which provide it.

I am as open to criticising any party no matter who they are.

Just siding with one party then finding fault with the other, because it was the other who said it - it is incredibly immature.

skippy. wrote on Jan 13^th, 2013 at 3:24pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:20pm: adelcrow wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 3:03pm: Both Labor and the Liberals are Center Right..the Nationals are Country Socialists and the Greens are Center Left Progressives. Left and Right are just left over propaganda terms from the Cold War and now we have the propaganda from the Denialists and Freedom Fries crowds to replace the old Cold War propaganda machine. Funnily enough the Denailists and the Freedom Friers are pretty much the same dimwits  ;D The Libs are nowhere near centre. This is how it goes: Labor - centre, formerly centre-left. Liberal - right, formerly centre-right. Nationals - far-right, formerly right. Greens - centre-left, formerly left. Everyone's gone up one, away from the left. Bob Menzies policies would be considered extreme left by the conga line here.

Menzies and Fraser were probably both politically to the Left of the current Labor party.