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Title: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 5:46am

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/sceptics-cool-on-climate-studies-20121210-2b5kg.html

In the face of a recent study which shows warming has been entirely consistent with 1990 scientific forecasts, those influential in elevating Abbott to the Leader of the Opposition still have their collective head planted firmly in the sand.

With the world entering a new resource paradigm we can not afford to have the troglodytes in power.

Quote:

''It is an indulgent and irrelevant debate because, even if climate change turns out to exist one day, we will have absolutely no impact on it whatsoever … we really should have bigger fish to fry than this one,'' Senator Joyce said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/sceptics-cool-on-climate-studies-20121210-2b5kg.html#ixzz2FFJIk2Wy

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 5:53am

can you please explain... who exactly denies CLIMATE CHANGE?

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:03am

I didn't say anyone was denying climate change. However, I do note there are many within the ranks of the opposition that deny anthropogenic global warming. Some even question whether the planet is warming at all.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by FRED. on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:07am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:03am:

and many who are not in the opposition do to

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:08am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:03am:

In the face of a recent study which shows warming has been entirely consistent with 1990 scientific forecasts, those influential in elevating Abbott to the Leader of the Opposition still have their collective head planted firmly in the sand.

so what does that mean pray?

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:10am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:03am:

some and they have no right to do so.. do they???

why because AL Gore said so..

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:13am

cods wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:10am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:03am:

some and they have no right to do so.. do they???

why because AL Gore said so..

Don't be a fool, cods.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by FRED. on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:20am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:13am:

cods wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:10am:

[quote author=MOTR link=1355687170/2#2 date=1355688195]I didn't say anyone was denying climate change. However, I do note there are many within the ranks of the opposition that deny anthropogenic global warming. Some even question whether the planet is warming at all.

some and they have no right to do so.. do they???

why because AL Gore said so..

Don't be a fool, cods.
[/qu

hey I didnt say anything ..... I am just saying people can say and think what they like.. if you do not believe that scientists make mistakes... and then come back 20 years hence and say Oh BTW we got it all wrong.... then I feel for you,..

I would like to have a bet with you that that is exactly what will happen 20 years from now.. but I dont expect to be around then..

scientists do get it wrong matey they do... the climate changes I believe every day...

yeahhhhhhh thats what i think and I think it has been so since time began...it didnt start happening since the industrial revolution...its been there for millions of years..

we suddenly think humans are so clever and important we can change the climate...hummmmmmmmmmmmmm... no I dont think so.

yes the ice caps are melting... and yes they have done so before...guess what scientists told us that..

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:27am

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

Because until Abbott shows leadership on this issue the majority of us who accept the dangers of AGW shouldn't trust the Libs to take appropriate action. This issues goes to the core of Abbott's fitness to hold the position of Prime Minister.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by FRED. on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:32am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:27am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

So the fact that the LABOR party are dam/up the country means nothing to you

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by progressiveslol on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:59am

lol consistent with what again. With nothing.

Here is your IPCC falling apart

IPCC AR5 draft leaked, contains game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing – as well as a lack of warming to match model projections, and reversal on ‘extreme weather’

As well as another reviewer has come out to state they are not satisfied with the non-inclusion of a paper that shows water vapour has not increased while CO2 has.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/13/ipcc-ar5-draft-leaked-contains-game-changing-admission-of-enhanced-solar-forcing/

Dont keep the flat earthers in power. Gang-green are too stupid to know when they are being lead down the dummies path.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by skippy. on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:02am

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:27am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

So the fact that the LABOR party are dam/up the country means nothing to you

Fwed would prefer the women basher to bugger up the country.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by progressiveslol on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:05am

Seems this thread is a load of BS according to IPCC
addition to my link above

UPDATE6: 12PM PST 12/14/12 The real bombshell of the report is now evident, a lack of warming to match model projections, see it here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/14/the-real-ipcc-ar5-draft-bombshell-plus-a-poll/

UPDATE7: 12:30PM PST 12/14/12 Prof. Roger Pielke Jr. Analysis of UN IPCC Draft report : IPCC ‘shows almost complete reversal from AR4 on trends in drought, hurricanes, floods’
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=cdee124b11d6baacda6c3e29b12e23dc&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwattsupwiththat.com%2F2012%2F12%2F13%2Fipcc-ar5-draft-leaked-contains-game-changing-admission-of-enhanced-solar-forcing%2F&v=1&libid=1355691417240&out=http%3A%2F%2Fclimatedepot.com%2Fa%2F18800%2FProf-Pielke-Jr-Analysis-of-UN-IPCC-Draft-report--IPCC-shows-almost-complete-reversal-from-AR4-on-trends-in-drought-hurricanes-floods&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwattsupwiththat.com%2F&title=IPCC%20AR5%20draft%20leaked%2C%20contains%20game-changing%20admission%20of%20enhanced%20solar%20forcing%20%E2%80%93%20as%20well%20as%20a%20lack%20of%20warming%20to%20match%20model%20projections%2C%20and%20reversal%20on%20%E2%80%98extreme%20weather%E2%80%99%20%7C%20Watts%20Up%20With%20That%3F&txt=Prof.%20Roger%20Pielke%20Jr.%20Analysis%20of%20UN%20IPCC%20Draft%20report%20%3A%20IPCC%20%E2%80%98shows%20almost%20complete%20reversal%20from%20AR4%20on%20trends%20in%20drought%2C...&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13556917628772

UPDATE8: 5PM PST 12/14/12 Another IPCC reviewer speaks out, this time about water vapor trends – actual data and IPCC contradict each other.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/14/another-ipcc-ar5-reviewer-speaks-out-no-trend-in-global-water-vapor/

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:37am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:05am:

I think the CARBON TAXERS all have vested interests in solar companies to be honest...

and the scientists are not paid by govts are they

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:40am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 5:46am:

the trouble is that the highlighted bit is atually not true at all. If you read the full details it says that the preidctions are accurate once 'natural variability' and 'unexpected events' were taken into account. Roughly translated, they took out all the bits that made the prediction woefully wrong so that it is now 'right'.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:41am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

you forget that this is the LIBERAL party when individual thought and opinion are not only permistted but encouraged. the ALP however has its policies and positions emailed to them by unelected faction and union leaders.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:45am

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:27am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

'fitness' to be PM isnt decided by you or by any group. it is decided by the majority of voters. It is the arrogance of ACC-hysterics liek you that annoys so many people that you even seem to beleive that democractic principles shoudl be subverted all to deal with a problem that we cant even agree on even exists.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by Innocent bystander on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:58am

gold_medal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:41am:

the ALP however has its policies and positions emailed to them by unelected faction and union leaders.

And the UN ;)

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:28am

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:41am:

the ALP however has its policies and positions emailed to them by unelected faction and union leaders.

And the UN ;)

in part perhaps!

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by Karnal on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:52am

skippy. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:02am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:32am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:27am:

FRED. wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:14am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 6:11am:

Although here is Barnaby doing a good job sounding like he is denying climate change.

Quote:

Abbott should be demanding his resignation.

Why !!! ;) ;)

So the fact that the LABOR party are dam/up the country means nothing to you

Fwed would prefer the women basher to bugger up the country.

Proof?

I agree, however. We should have Mr Abbott in power to bugger up the country. JuLiar is hideous, and also a leftard.

Mr Abbott, on the other hand, is a thoroughly decent man. He advocates a policy of ditching the witch.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm

You're full of spin, progs.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by progressiveslol on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 9:13pm

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

You're full of spin, progs.

Just love those cooling the past, warming the present/future manipulated graphs.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by MOTR on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 1:48am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

You're full of spin, progs.

Just love those cooling the past, warming the present/future manipulated graphs.

Talk about paranoid. You need to man up and face the truth.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by Spot of Borg on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:38am

cods wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:05am:

I think the CARBON TAXERS all have vested interests in solar companies to be honest...

and the scientists are not paid by govts are they

Well isnt that the point?

SOB

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 3:45pm

MOTR wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 1:48am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 9:13pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

You're full of spin, progs.

Just love those cooling the past, warming the present/future manipulated graphs.

Talk about paranoid. You need to man up and face the truth.

a) it's never happened before in all of history? just a clue... take a look at the map and the NORTH of greenland. Vikings sailed there 1000 years ago. OOPS!!!
b) even NASA admits that the ice pack has moved south due to storms
c) there is a volcano under the icepack.
d) antarctic ice mass is INCREASING. oops!

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by gold_medal on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 3:46pm

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

You're full of spin, progs.

and your explanation for the 0.4degree rise between 1880 and 1930? hardly the peak of industrialised civilisation.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:47pm

gold_medal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:28am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:58am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:41am:

the ALP however has its policies and positions emailed to them by unelected faction and union leaders.

And the UN ;)

in part perhaps!

not anymore now we have our seat the foreign aid is going to take a dip havent you heard?

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:50pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:38am:

cods wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:37am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:05am:

I think the CARBON TAXERS all have vested interests in solar companies to be honest...

and the scientists are not paid by govts are they

Well isnt that the point?

SOB

I would like to understand your comments but I fail to comprehend this meaningful one...could be the wizzbang moving figures of course.

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:51pm

gold_medal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:

MOTR wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

You're full of spin, progs.

and your explanation for the 0.4degree rise between 1880 and 1930? hardly the peak of industrialised civilisation.

if only Mother Nature could talk...

I see where our CARBON TAX didnt do anything to help Fiji

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by aquascoot on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 5:20pm

hay someone had a go at barnaby.

tony shouldnt get rid of him, if for no other reason then his very hipster first name. ;)

Title: Re: Keep the flat earthers in opposition.
Post by cods on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 6:24pm

I like Barny he doesnt get everything right... but whats wrong with that..

has swanny got any of his budgets right??????? still waiting.