Have a look at this picture.
It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza.
It is from CNN here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Picture number 97.
Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians
must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians.
I don't know how many people it killed.
Aren't there any rules in war?
Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians?
I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

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I started a poll.

Was this a war crime?

Any military action involved with an illegal occupation is a war crime.

I wonder where they got the weapons of mass destruction from to do this ?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Any military action involved with an illegal occupation is a war crime.

Yes Western - but are there any limits as to how big a bomb you can drop in a built up area?
Would a fuel air bomb be allowed?
That would wipe out about a square kilometer.

So much for precision surgical strikes & "we don't target civilians"
as said by Netanyahu - he's a liar.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 5:52pm: Any military action involved with an illegal occupation is a war crime. Yes Western - but are there any limits as to how big a bomb you can drop in a built up area? Would a fuel air bomb be allowed? That would wipe out about a square kilometer. So much for precision surgical strikes & "we don't target civilians" as said by Netanyahu - he's a liar.

For Israel?
Of course not.

They get away with dropping white phosphorous on UN schools so obviously they can get away with this.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg

Quote:

Palestinian civilians and medics run to safety during an Israeli strike using phosphorus shells at a UN school. Photograph: Mohammed Abed/AFP

The common tactic for Israel is to say one thing and do another, through different psychological methods they get people to never question what they say.

Hi Western,
That's a good point.
Are you allowed to burn the flesh to the bone of innocent school kids using phosphorous?

What are the rules of war?
I just see one war crime after another.
Hamas is not innocent either - they all nut cases in the Middle east.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Hi Western, That's a good point. Are you allowed to burn the flesh to the bone of innocent school kids using phosphorous? What are the rules of war? I just see one war crime after another. Hamas is not innocent either - they all nut cases in the Middle east.

Hamas is as guilty as the Jews who defended themselves against the Nazis.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians. Aren't there any rules in war? Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians? I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

The Islamic countries did not sign the Universal declaration of human rights because they violate islamic law.

They have to ratify the Rome statute along with many other conventions before they can prosecute anyone for war crimes,firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime so they might have to answer for that if they want to be hypocrites when it comes to war crimes.

I doubt they would be using bunker busters it would be Jdam of various weights.

There are rules in war yet the islamic world does not agree with them and have never signed them because they are unislamic like Geneva conventions
This thread has a link for Ibn Nuhaas- the book of jihad which contains the rules muslims must fight by if they want those 72 houris and a everlasting erection to service them with, yes killing women and children is ok under Islamic law as long as they are not muslim.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295682624

Did you see those pictures of Hamas dragging a dead Palestinian around with a rope tied to a motorcycle, his crime was collaborating with the Israelis.

Quote:

firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime

Not when they are defending themselves.

Stop supporting terrorism.

Hi Western,
I am not anti Jewish,
The Jewish people I've met don't seem to be nut cases.
They seem to have a good sense of humour that reminds me of Seinfeld.
Somehow idiots like Netanyahu get into power & use weapons from the USA
that were designed for hard military targets like bunker busters bombs -
& use them on civilians houses - it's insane.
Hillary Clinton should have said something about it - otherwise the USA is complicit.
She's no better than an old witch to support that behaviour - where is her humanity?

These weapons were never meant to be dropped in suburban areas - it's a war crime.

Baron,
Quote:

Did you see those pictures of Hamas dragging a dead Palestinian around with a rope tied to a motorcycle, his crime was collaborating with the Israelis.

Yes I did - that's a Hamas war crime.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:20pm:

Hi Western, I am not anti Jewish, The Jewish people I've met don't seem to be nut cases. They seem to have a good sense of humour that reminds me of Seinfeld. Somehow idiots like Netanyahu get into power & use weapons from the USA that were designed for hard military targets like bunker busters bombs - & use them on civilians houses - it's insane. Hillary Clinton should have said something about it - otherwise the USA is complicit. She's not better than an old witch to support that behaviour - where is her humanity? These weapons were never meant to be dropped in suburban areas - it's a war crime.

Neither am I but all Jewish people are complicit if they are not speaking out when this stuff is being done in their name. Reality is that they are virtually the only people who can do something about it at present.

A lot of people from Israel have been heavily indoctrinated with a well oiled propaganda machine, which can make people look like nut cases; Avram being a prime example. In my opinion this does not excuse acts of terrorism tho.

Hillary Clinton should have said something about it - otherwise the USA is complicit.
She's not better than an old witch to support that behaviour - where is her humanity?


It would be highly hypocritical for Hilary to say anything, the yanks drone bomb innocent Pakistani's on a regular basis, and they are their ally's....apparently.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Baron, Quote: Did you see those pictures of Hamas dragging a dead Palestinian around with a rope tied to a motorcycle, his crime was collaborating with the Israelis. Yes I did - that's a Hamas war crime.

If you oppress, abuse and occupy a peoples for over half a century their state of mind is altered through no fault of their own.
Its a fairly sound legal concept that if I alter your state of mind in such a way your not responsible for any actions as a result.
Hamas is a product of Israeli occupation and thus their actions are a product of Israeli occupation.

Yes Western,
I agree.
I think that Netanyahu is a war criminal & should be tried at the Hague
along with the leaders of Hamas.
The Middle East must have 1000s of war criminals.
The Hague seems to be a toothless tiger & does nothing -
it never brings any charges against these madmen.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Yes Western, I agree. I think that Netanyahu is a war criminal & should be tried at the Hague along with the leaders of Hamas. The Middle East must have 1000s of war criminals. The Hague seems to be a toothless tiger & does nothing - it never brings any charges against these madmen.

Sorry but I cannot support prosecuting Hamas. Put yourself in their position and chances are you would fire a rocket too.
People should always have a right to defend themselves.

Look at this - another precision strike?
A whole city block is devastated.
How many innocent people died?
From CNN.

Picture number 7.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Its well documented that the IOF target civilians and civilian infrastructure.

Western,

Quote:

Sorry but I cannot support prosecuting Hamas. Put yourself in their position and chances are you would fire a rocket too. People should always have a right to defend themselves.

I was referring to dragging a "traitors" body through the street.
Chances are the person was innocent & a confession obtained by torture -
another Hamas war crime.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Quote: firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime Not when they are defending themselves. Stop supporting terrorism.

Firing rockets from civilian buildings is a war crime.

Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to war crimes.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:17pm: Quote: firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime Not when they are defending themselves. Stop supporting terrorism. Firing rockets from civilian buildings is a war crime. Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to war crimes.

Baron - you don't get it - they are all war criminals - both Israel & Hamas.
We need a Nuremberg type trial & then a public hanging of the lot of them.

No country should be supplying arms to any side.
We need an embargo of the Middle East - an end to all weapon sales.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:40pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:17pm: Quote: firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime Not when they are defending themselves. Stop supporting terrorism. Firing rockets from civilian buildings is a war crime. Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to war crimes.

So if Australia was invaded and occupied it would be a war crime for us to defend ourselves?

How can they be hypocrites when they are defending themselves?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:40pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:17pm: Quote: firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime Not when they are defending themselves. Stop supporting terrorism. Firing rockets from civilian buildings is a war crime. Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to war crimes. Baron - you don't get it - they are all war criminals - both Israel & Hamas. We need a Nuremberg type trial & then a public hanging of the lot of them. No country should be supplying arms to any side. We need an embargo of the Middle East - an end to all weapon sales.

Technically they cannot be war criminals because Palestine did not ratify the Rome Statute because that could see Palestinians liable for unislamic war crimes when it comes to itbach el yahud(slaughter the jews)
Please read this Bobby as it will tell you why there is no such thing as a war crime for those who have not ratified this treaty-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court

Read the list of those who have ratified the Rome statute, why are Islamic countries absent from that list?

I agree the last thing we should be doing is giving weapons to muslims who have a religious obligation to do jihad  if they happen to get killed they are rewarded with 72 houris in paradise.

Apart from oil and mosques along with muslims what do Islamic countries export to the west?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:49pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:40pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 6:17pm: Quote: firing unguided rockets into civilian areas is also a war crime Not when they are defending themselves. Stop supporting terrorism. Firing rockets from civilian buildings is a war crime. Muslims are hypocrites when it comes to war crimes. So if Australia was invaded and occupied it would be a war crime for us to defend ourselves?

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.


Quote:

Hamas official Mahmoud Zahhar- Speaking to Ma'an Zahhar asserted that Gaza is free of occupation. http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=520228

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, what have muslims invented since electricity became common?

Hamas say Gaza is not occupied yet those who peddle propaganda say it is

Baron,
Quote:

Please read this Bobby as it will tell you why there is no such thing as a war crime for those who have not ratified this treaty- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court

If that's true that how come there was a Nuremberg war crimes trial for the Nazis?
Did Hitler sign  any war crimes treaty?

Quote:

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13pm:

Baron, Quote: Please read this Bobby as it will tell you why there is no such thing as a war crime for those who have not ratified this treaty- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court If that's true that how come there was a Nuremberg war crimes trial for the Nazis? Did Hitler sign  any war crimes treaty?

Check the dates on the link i provided bobby and you will get your answer.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Have a look at this picture. It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza. It is from CNN here: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Picture number 97. Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians. I don't know how many people it killed. Aren't there any rules in war? Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians? I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

this is organised murder

nothing less

as the world bares witness

be at peace

namaste

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it. So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support".  The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned. 

Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em -  You?

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:44pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it. So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews? Doesn't matter who I "support".  The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Should they be held accountable to international law?

Why do you even post on here?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:46pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:44pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it. So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews? Doesn't matter who I "support".  The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.  Should they be held accountable to international law? Why do you even post on here?

What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will?  Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we?

Quote:

What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will?  Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we?

It has authority because Israel says it should be used against Hamas.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Quote: What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will?  Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we? It has authority because Israel says it should be used against Hamas.

And Israel gives it authority...why?  Because they back it with muscle. 

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:54pm: Quote: What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will?  Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we? It has authority because Israel says it should be used against Hamas. And Israel gives it authority...why?  Because they back it with muscle.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Please explain why you post on this forum...

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:13pm: Baron, Quote: Please read this Bobby as it will tell you why there is no such thing as a war crime for those who have not ratified this treaty- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court If that's true that how come there was a Nuremberg war crimes trial for the Nazis? Did Hitler sign  any war crimes treaty? Check the dates on the link i provided bobby and you will get your answer.

Baron,
I did read it.
It says this.


Quote:

After World War I and even more after the heinous crimes committed during World War II, it became a priority to prosecute individuals responsible for crimes so serious that needed to be called "against humanity". In order to re-affirm basic principles of democratic civilisation, the alleged criminals were not executed in public squares or sent to torture camps, but instead treated as criminals: with a regular trial, the right to defense and the presumption of innocence. The Nuremberg trials marked a crucial moment in legal history, and after that, some treaties that led to the drafting of the Rome Statute were signed. UN General Assembly Resolution n. 260 9 December 1948, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, was the first step towards the establishment of an international permanent criminal tribunal with jurisdiction on crimes yet to be defined in international treaties.

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 5:37pm: Have a look at this picture. It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza. It is from CNN here: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Picture number 97. Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians. I don't know how many people it killed. Aren't there any rules in war? Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians? I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous. this is organised murder nothing less as the world bares witness be at peace namaste

Hi Light,
I can't be at peace seeing this in my living room every night.
I see the USA & even JuLiar Gillard supporting war crimes.
The fact that Hamas has commited war crimes does not give Israel the right to do the same.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:05pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:42pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 5:37pm: Have a look at this picture. It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza. It is from CNN here: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Picture number 97. Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians. I don't know how many people it killed. Aren't there any rules in war? Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians? I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous. this is organised murder nothing less as the world bares witness be at peace namaste Hi Light, I can't be at peace seeing this in my living room every night. I see the USA & even JuLiar Gillard supporting war crimes. The fact that Hamas has commited war crimes does not give Israel the right to do the same.

the mossad have been caught in these charades before

false flag attacks... 9/11 anyone?

hitler burt his own reichstag as many 'leaders' did

as well in your past...

darkness is now visible

and so it is

namaste

Hi Light,
both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children -
that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven.

Now - where is the justice?
Why are our leaders not condemning it?
Surely a normal rational person would see what I see?
The vote on this thread is already overwhelming that a war crime was committed  -
from just one photo.

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:44pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it. So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews? Doesn't matter who I "support".  The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.  Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em -  You?

They are only stronger by about 3 billion a year in high tech weapons from the US. That sort of puts the jews at unfair advantage wouldn't you think ?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:55pm:

Hi Light, both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children - that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven. Now - where is the justice? Why are our leaders not condemning it? Surely a normal rational person would see what I see? The vote on this thread is already overwhelming that a war crime was committed  - from just one photo.

Bump to anyone.

Hi Light,
both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children -
that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven.

__________

and whom did CNN tell you inflicted this attack?

and why are you so quick to believe them?

namaste

this war is organised murder

like all wars

there are many TRILLIONS spent on covert ops..

do any deny this fact?

so be it

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Hi Light, both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children - that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven. __________ and whom did CNN tell you inflicted this attack? and why are you so quick to believe them? namaste

CNN said it was the Israelis.

Imagine if these bombs had gone of course & landed in a shelter
where there were 1000 women & children?
It could have happened.
You can't use weapons like that in civilian areas - it's outrageous.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:46pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:44pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:38pm: ... wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:36pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:31pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:25pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:14pm: Quote: Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life. Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way. The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century. Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied. Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it. Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life. If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not. Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it. Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me. I'm not attacking you.  Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns.  All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it. So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews? Doesn't matter who I "support".  The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.  Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em -  You? They are only stronger by about 3 billion a year in high tech weapons from the US. That sort of puts the jews at unfair advantage wouldn't you think ?

Yep.  Butwhatcanyado?

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:10pm:

this war is organised murder like all wars there are many TRILLIONS spent on covert ops.. do any deny this fact? so be it namaste

Well actually Light - if you want the figure read Nail's thread.
Israel gets about $3 billion in free USA weapons to use as they please to kill Arabs - every year.

Obama says that :
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/18/15257041-obama-israel-has-every-right-to-defend-itself-from-gaza-missile-attacks?lite


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no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders

Did he also mean American bombs dropping on women & children in Gaza?
I'm a little confused by his statement.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:12pm:

Imagine if these bombs had gone of course & landed in a shelter where there were 1000 women & children? It could have happened. You can't use weapons like that in civilian areas - it's outrageous.

Its outrageous to fire rockets from apartment buildings and then say people cannot defend themselves against these attacks because innocent people could get hurt.

This link will help cut through the propaganda-
Gaza crisis- The legal position of Israel and Hamas
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20415886

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou.



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Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned.

Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships.
Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians.
It's illegal and a war crime.
War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou. Quote: Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned. Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships. Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians. It's illegal and a war crime. War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

Somehow the west still only sees the arabs as terrorists and the jews as having the right to defend themselves :(

The West needs to stop projecting onto Jews...give it a rest...White Western Violence and aggression is entirely responsible for the Palestinian crises.... :) :)

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Good article Baron but it proves my point - thankyou. Quote: Attacks on civilians and civilian objects are always banned. Note that also people in Gaza were subject to shells from Israeli warships. Shells are not accurate so therefore there was indiscriminate bombing of civilians. It's illegal and a war crime. War crimes from Hamas do not allow for retaliatory war crimes from Israel.

What did it say about Hamas firing rockets from civilian buildings?
It also says they can defend themselves and considering what they have dropped you would expect a higher death toll.

Secondary explosions of ammo,rocket propellant etc can be hard to predict,at least the secondaries let you know you have hit a good target.

The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand which should not be confused with chanting Allahu akbar for a guidance system.

At least we have a ceasefire so hamas can rearm and then then resume hostilities at a time when they are stronger.

So Baron - this is ok then?
There are human beings inside that explosion.

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Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:45pm:

So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion.

Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Baron,

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The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand

So they can differentiate between one house & another at 5 miles?
That's news to me.
Grow a brain would you.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Yes - look at the size of the explosion.
That's something you would use in a desert war against tanks -
not in the middle of a city - it's crazy.

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Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes - look at the size of the explosion. That's something you would use in a desert war against tanks - not in the middle of a city - it's crazy.

Yeah its bad if you accept reality, but then you could just do what longy does and deny it even happens.
Ignorance is bliss they say.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:50pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes - look at the size of the explosion. That's something you would use in a desert war against tanks - not in the middle of a city - it's crazy. Yeah its bad if you accept reality, but then you could just do what longy does and deny it even happens. Ignorance is bliss they say.

longloser is an irrational god fearing f.ckwitt.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:45pm:

So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion.

Did i ever say it was ok?

The Arab-Jew problem is not our problem, it has been going on for 1400 years since the genocide of the jews known as the Banu Qurayza and if nothing is done to call  bullshit on religion it will continue long after we are gone.

Jihad is a religious obligation and the reward for martyrdom is houris in the afterlife, while gullible idiots believe this to be true there will always be problems.

Over 750 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza this year, what would you do to stop the rocket attacks?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:50pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:48pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Remember Longy, Baron and the like are the same people that support things like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yes - look at the size of the explosion. That's something you would use in a desert war against tanks - not in the middle of a city - it's crazy.

You would  use a Javelin missile against a tank, they are hand held.

Grow a brain.

Baron,
yes anti-tank missles but also large bombs.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:48pm:

Baron, Quote: The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand So they can differentiate between one house & another at 5 miles? That's news to me. Grow a brain would you.

Bobby, in all truth, they can differentiate between one WINDOW and another at 5 miles...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 11:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:48pm: Baron, Quote: The shells from modern warships are accurate, the physics of projectile motion are easy to understand So they can differentiate between one house & another at 5 miles? That's news to me. Grow a brain would you. Bobby, in all truth, they can differentiate between one WINDOW and another at 5 miles...

A guided misslile but not a shell.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Did i ever say it was ok? The Arab-Jew problem is not our problem, it has been going on for 1400 years since the genocide of the jews known as the Banu Qurayza and if nothing is done to call  bullshit on religion it will continue long after we are gone. Jihad is a religious obligation and the reward for martyrdom is houris in the afterlife, while gullible idiots believe this to be true there will always be problems. Over 750 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza this year, what would you do to stop the rocket attacks?

Dont forget the jews and their torah. Also violent religion.

SOB

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 10:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 10:45pm: So Baron - this is ok then? There are human beings inside that explosion. Did i ever say it was ok? The Arab-Jew problem is not our problem, it has been going on for 1400 years since the genocide of the jews known as the Banu Qurayza and if nothing is done to call  bullshit on religion it will continue long after we are gone. Jihad is a religious obligation and the reward for martyrdom is houris in the afterlife, while gullible idiots believe this to be true there will always be problems. Over 750 rockets have been fired at Israel from Gaza this year, what would you do to stop the rocket attacks?

What about precision surgical strikes on the rocket launchers?
If Israel had done what they said they were doing I might have supported it.
Is this a precision surgical strike?

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