Both his Presidential races born in baptisms of fire...

The GFC and Hurricane Sandy...

What will the US voting mystics make of that, I wonder?

He's clearly a sorcerer.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/08/14/obama-speech.jpg

Shane B wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

He's clearly a sorcerer.

How about...

"Cometh the hour, cometh the man."

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

Shane B wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:02am: He's clearly a sorcerer. How about... "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."

Revelation 17:17
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.





Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
....
8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



The dragon is SATAN

The beast is ISLAM
......imo.

Yadda wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 1:20pm:

The beast is ISLAM ......imo.

The most common interpretation from Christian scholars of 'the beast' is Nero Caesar... 'whose name in Greek when transliterated into Hebrew, retains the value of 666'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 4th, 2012 at 1:20pm: The beast is ISLAM ......imo. The most common interpretation from Christian scholars of 'the beast' is Nero Caesar... 'whose name in Greek when transliterated into Hebrew, retains the value of 666'.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Q.
What characters did John transcribe, when he wrote those words ?
[for the answer, see the image below]




Go to 7m 30s, in this YOUTUBE presentation.
Note the Arabic text on the 'head bands' worn by moslems, it contains the Arabic word/character 'Bismillah' ['in the name of Allah'];

YOUTUBE;
The Beast of Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF7mzQVNw1U






Note the crossed swords [an ISLAMIC symbol], and the Arabic word/character 'Bismillah', that John was inspired to transcribe;
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm#bismillah


IMAGE
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/16479040.jpg

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:

How about... "Cometh the hour, cometh the man."

Indeed.

Obama and Israel: The Undermining of a Historic Relationship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJqA064idA

good

In response to.....

Obama and Israel: The Undermining of a Historic Relationship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJqA064idA



JC Denton wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

good

Yes it would be good, to destroy Israel, and subsume the land of Israel, into the land of the ummah, so that those poor, homeless, Pals could have a country of their own, and somewhere to rest their poor, poor, heads.
/sarc off


Dictionary;
subsume = = include or absorb in something else.

http://www.protestwarrior.com/nimages/signs/large/pw_sign_22.gifi




+++


BBC scrubs story about starving Palestinians building luxury homes in West Bank

"The video is from the BBC, but AOL picked it up, and that's where I got it. The Jew-hating dhimmis at the BBC have scrubbed it from their website -- here is where it used to be. You can, however, still see it linked (to a dead link) on the BBC Middle East homepage (look on the upper right):"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/images/BBCMideast.jpg
[The image caption reads; 'The Miami of the West Bank']


Mustn't let the facts interfere with the Palestinian jihad!

UPDATE: Blazing Cat Fur is in Israel, and has photos from the West Bank of the sumptuous homes of starving "Palestinians," vs. the hovels that Israeli "settlers" live in.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/bbc-scrubs-story-about-starving-palestinians-building-luxury-homes-in-west-bank.html

yadda the greatest useful idiot

JC Denton wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 1:22pm:

yadda the greatest useful idiot

JC Denton,

Is that the 'best' that you have got ?

If someone disagrees with your own world view, denigrate and disparage them.

No 'argument' ?

No disputing the information ?


Dictionary;
disparage = = represent as being of little worth; scorn.






Come on!

In what sense, am i a 'useful idiot' ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/Yadda.JPG

Yadda, it's impossible to rationally debate most of the things that get posted here. Instead of talking about politics this week, I've been discussing Barack Obama's birth certificate, Julia Gillard's membership of the Communist Party, the ownership of the Reserve Bank of Australia, and Jimmy Saville's status as an ordinary garden-variety pedophile and not a vampire.

In putting forward what are fairly reasonable arguments, I've been called a Freemason, a do-gooder, a ratbag and a lefty.

That shut me up.

But onto your excellent hermeneutic exegesis, I couldn't possibly dispute it. Turning multiple sixes into Arabic letters is an art-form all of its own. I think you're onto something there. Forget playing records backwards and looking for the face of Jesus in your porridge, the translation of Arabic letters into Arabic ones is where it's at.

If you play your cards right, you could become an expert in this highly specialized field. And why stop at Arabic? Amerika's almost over the Muslims. I'd be getting into the Chinese market. You wouldn't need to actually learn the language, just look at the patterns in the characters. With the Chinese economy predicted by the IMF to overtake the US in 4 years, producers from Fox News would be queuing up for business.

Maybe you could get a job at the Watchtower.

yeah i wish yadda wouldnt paste these lists of biblical scriptures/quran scriptures after every one of his posts, it makes them look messy and makes them hard to read

i won't deny i havent really read one of his posts in full in about 2 years

It's only just that the Jews were allowed to establish Israel as their homeland after what happened to them in WW2.

The Beast;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3I9syVEGQ

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 1:58pm:

In putting forward what are fairly reasonable arguments, I've been called a Freemason, a do-gooder, a ratbag and a lefty.

Don'r forget 'faggot'.

bambu wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

The Beast; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA3I9syVEGQ

Try this one folks!.......

BEHOLD THE BEAST
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/


.....only prob is, that that site is not a glitzy video.

A person has to actually read, and try to absorb, intellectually, what is revealed.





Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:......

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Don'r forget 'faggot'.

Exactly. Or to be precise: "dirty little invert".

Yadda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 2:31pm:

Try this one folks!....... BEHOLD THE BEAST .....only prob is, that that site is not a glitzy video. A person has to actually read, and try to absorb, intellectually, what is revealed. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:......

I write children's books.

The next one will be called

Teddy and the kids talk to an adult about Yadda

http://i48.tinypic.com/1zdw1l1.jpg

Can you imagine flat batting that cat standing on it’s hind legs, with a shovel.

It’d be pretty funny.

What's funny about picking on defenceless creatures? 

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Both his Presidential races born in baptisms of fire... The GFC and Hurricane Sandy... What will the US voting mystics make of that, I wonder?

So Europe got the American president it wanted – the one who would present no threat to its own delusions. The United States is now officially one of us: an Old World country complete with class hatred, ethnic Balkanisation, bourgeois guilt and a paternalist ruling elite. And it is locked into the same death spiral of high public spending and self-defeating wealth redistribution as we are. Welcome to the future, and the beginning of what may turn out to be the terminal decline of the West.

[...]

The saddest development is the one that is most counter-intuitive. Mr Obama – who famously ran in 2008 as the post-racial candidate – has polarised the nation racially in a way that it has not been for half a century, reversing what had been the progressive trend toward real social integration and colour blindness in American political life. Ninety-three per cent of black voters – 93 per cent – voted for Obama in this election, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones. But if non-white ethnic groups are choosing to segregate themselves electorally – quite often with little regard for their actual economic or social interests – white voters are not. Only 59 per cent of them supported Romney: a majority but not an overwhelming one. Some of this was down to the class war issue: blue collar voters were encouraged to see Romney as a rapacious capitalist who would destroy people’s livelihoods if the balance sheet dictated it.

But that was an unfortunate consequence of this particular candidate’s credentials. There is a more historically significant, and possibly more permanent, development too. The United States has now acquired an electorally powerful liberal bourgeoisie who are convinced, as their European counterparts have been for several generations, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that public spending is inherently virtuous, that poverty can be cured by penalising wealth creation, and that government intervention can engineer social “fairness”. But just when some of Europe’s political class has begun to appreciate the dangers of this philosophy – that taken to its logical conclusion, it leads to economic stagnation and social division – America seems to have decided that it is the quintessence of enlightened sophistication.

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 5:14pm:

So Europe got the American president it wanted – the one who would present no threat to its own delusions. The United States is now officially one of us: an Old World country complete with class hatred, ethnic Balkanisation, bourgeois guilt and a paternalist ruling elite. And it is locked into the same death spiral of high public spending and self-defeating wealth redistribution as we are. Welcome to the future, and the beginning of what may turn out to be the terminal decline of the West. [...] The saddest development is the one that is most counter-intuitive. Mr Obama – who famously ran in 2008 as the post-racial candidate – has polarised the nation racially in a way that it has not been for half a century, reversing what had been the progressive trend toward real social integration and colour blindness in American political life. Ninety-three per cent of black voters – 93 per cent – voted for Obama in this election, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones. But if non-white ethnic groups are choosing to segregate themselves electorally – quite often with little regard for their actual economic or social interests – white voters are not. Only 59 per cent of them supported Romney: a majority but not an overwhelming one. Some of this was down to the class war issue: blue collar voters were encouraged to see Romney as a rapacious capitalist who would destroy people’s livelihoods if the balance sheet dictated it. But that was an unfortunate consequence of this particular candidate’s credentials. There is a more historically significant, and possibly more permanent, development too. The United States has now acquired an electorally powerful liberal bourgeoisie who are convinced, as their European counterparts have been for several generations, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that public spending is inherently virtuous, that poverty can be cured by penalising wealth creation, and that government intervention can engineer social “fairness”. But just when some of Europe’s political class has begun to appreciate the dangers of this philosophy – that taken to its logical conclusion, it leads to economic stagnation and social division – America seems to have decided that it is the quintessence of enlightened sophistication.

Janet Daley: Winner of the Silliest Anti-Obama Article of the Year Award

http://neilclark66.blogspot.jp/2008/11/janet-daley-winner-of-silliest-anti.html

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Janet Daley: Winner of the Silliest Anti-Obama Article of the Year Award http://neilclark66.blogspot.jp/2008/11/janet-daley-winner-of-silliest-anti.html

Good article.  I especially enjoyed the complete absence of any explanation as to what made it 'silly'. 

http://www.vdare.com/articles/ignore-mainstream-media-and-mainstream-gop-spin-on-romney-loss-it-was-white-vote

Ignore Mainstream Media AND Mainstream GOP Spin On Romney Loss—It Was His Failure With The White Working Class That Did Him In


Quote:

Before I knew the election results, the demographic breakdowns, or read any of the spin from the Mainstream Media, I had a pretty good idea of how I would write up the election if Romney lost. I would just Google “Hispanic vote” and find a bunch of MSM articles quoting Republican strategists and politicians about how poorly Romney had done among Hispanics. I knew they would bring up the phony 44% Bush supposedly won in 2004 and how Romney alienated Hispanics with his talk (back in the primaries) about “self-deportation.”  I would then note that Romney had in fact done very little to promote patriotic immigration reform in the general election, much bring up racially-tinged issues such as Affirmative Action which could have won him blue collar voters in Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—much more important than the alleged Hispanic swing vote. And of course, the MSM did not disappoint. Article after article made trite talk about the Hispanic vote, filled with quotes from GOP hacks urging that the party find some magical way to appeal to this demographic. A few examples:         Some analysts and Republican strategists argued that the party could not win while alienating the growing Hispanic vote with its tough stance on immigration…“But there is also a hole in the Republican electorate,” [Fred Barnes] continued. “There aren’t enough Hispanics. As long as two-thirds of the growing Hispanic voting bloc lines up with Democrats, it will be increasingly difficult (though hardly impossible) for Republicans to win national elections. When George W. Bush won a narrow re-election in 2004, he got 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. If Romney had managed that, he would have come closer to winning. He might even have won.”     [G.O.P. Factions Grapple Over Meaning of Loss, by Michael Cooper, New York Times, November 7, 2012]         [P]arty leaders should [rethink] how to appeal to Hispanics and other demographic groups who supported Obama’s re-election, [Newt] Gingrich said. “Unless we do that we’re going to be a minority party”     [Republicans Stung by Loss Begin Debate Over Future, Mike Dorning and John McCormick, Bloomberg, November, 7 2012]         But make no mistake: What happened last night was a demographic time bomb that had been ticking and that blew up in GOP faces…So the Republicans are maximizing their share with white voters; they just aren't getting the rest....the most significant event of this presidential contest might very well have been the 2010 census.     [First Thoughts: Obama's demographic edge, Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower, NBC News, November 7, 2012] And, of course, much of this conventional wisdom does not hold up to scrutiny. Most of the swing states Romney lost had very small Hispanic fractions: 3% in Ohio, 5% in Virginia, 4% in Wisconsin, 6% in Pennsylvania, 3% in Michigan, and 2% in Iowa. The idea that there is large enough constituency of pro-amnesty, but otherwise conservative Latinos to swing the election in these states is absurd. In the swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa, even if the entire Hispanic population had voted for Romney, he still would have lost. Thus far, I have not seen any exit polls that show results by race and income. So, because minorities tend to be disproportionately lower income, it's hard to look at votes by income as a proxy for the white working class—except in highly white states. There, it is clear that Romney did not do particularly well among working class voters. In Iowa (93% white electorate) he won 54% of voters making over 100,000 dollars a year and only 38% of voters making under 50,000 dollars. In Wisconsin (86% white electorate), he won 59% of voters making over 100,000 dollars a year and only 39% of those making under 50,000. It's a pretty good bet that Romney's weakness among white working class voters cost him these states, as well as Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. This is in part due to the fact that these voters simply do not support economic libertarianism, the fact that Romney is a rich guy who made his money in private equity, and also because Romney failed to use National Question issues like immigration, Official English and Affirmative Action to appeal to their patriotism and sense of identity. And even in states with large Hispanic populations, there is good evidence that patriotic immigration reform did not doom Romney. In Nevada, where Hispanics made up 19% of the electorate, Romney also did terribly among white voters, winning them by only 13% in contrast to his 20% nationwide average. And it is also worth noting that Senator Dean Heller (A+ Numbers USA grade) won reelection in Nevada, carrying the white vote by 19%—and also outperforming Romney among Hispanics.  That being said a few things did not go as I expected. The Hispanic vote at 10% is much larger than it was in the past. And, accordingly, the white vote was a bit smaller than I expected at 72%. (This was also due to higher black turnout at 13%). That still means the Hispanic vote is less than 14% of the white vote—or to put it another way, increasing the white vote share by one perfect is more important than increasing the Hispanic share by 7%. Moreover, although the Hispanic vote usually trends with the white vote, in this election it did not. Romney increased the GOP victory margin with whites by 8 points—from 12% in 2008 to 20% in 2012. But Obama increased his margin among Hispanics by just as much—up to 36% in 2008 to 44% in 2012. (Also of note: Asians voted even more for the Democrats than Hispanics, with Obama winning among the group 73% to 26 %.)[VDARE.com note: All figures are from CNN’s Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center  page. We’ve linked to individual state results, but to see the demographic breakdown, yo’ll have to click on the Exit Poll tab, and find “Vote by Race”.] In Florida, the Latino size of the electorate increased from 14% to 17%, and Obama's margin of victory among Hispanics also increased from 15% to 21%. This more than covers Obama's narrow victory of less than 50,000 votes. Of course this probably has a great deal to do with the fact that Florida’s Hispanic community has become less Cuban and also that younger Cubans are less concerned with Fidel Castro. We should count our blessings that the election was not decided by Florida, or the propaganda about the Hispanic vote would never cease. Note that Romney's alleged hardline on immigration was not the reason he did so poorly among Hispanics. As the Washington Post correctly noted the day before the election, Obama's popularity among Hispanics is largely rooted in his nomination of Sonia Sotomayor and the passage of the Affordable Care Act. [Why Romney is losing Latinos by a historic margin,  By Jamelle Bouie, November 5, 2012]But for some reason I have yet to hear any GOP hacks say that the party needs to abandon opposition to Obamacare or judicial activism to appeal to Hispanics. Nonetheless, it is clear that the Hispanic population is becoming more rooted to the Democratic Party, and probably more supportive of amnesty and mass immigration than they were in the past. This is most likely because of the increasing share of Hispanics who have illegal friends and family members, the fact that second and third generation Hispanics are assimilating downward, and the fact that chain migration and the illegals who get adjustment of status are making the group even less educated and lower income. This is not terribly surprising. We know that the Hispanic share of the electorate will continue to increase and white share will continue to decrease, absent changes to our immigration policies. However, the faster this change occurs, the harder it will be to elect politicians who will stop immigration. Note well: I am not making any sort of dire prediction that, because of demographics, this was the last time the GOP could win a national election. However, it is going to become more and more difficult in each election cycle. Hopefully, we will begin to elect politicians who understand this reality.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/romney-the-white-working-class-and-the-limits-of-economism

I can't believe I'm losing to this guy.” This Presidential election has the Republican Party feeling like Michael Dukakis contemplating George H.W. Bush in the famous Saturday Night Live skit.

Yes, all the recent polls are within the margin of error and anything could happen. And, yes, some pundits have bravely predicted a Mitt Romney victory—with Michael Barone [Going out on a limb: Romney beats Obama, handily] perhaps the most surprising, no doubt because he has finally counted up America’s still-dominant white voting bloc.

But the GOP presidential contender should not be in this mess. Take the forecasting model from the University of Colorado. In contrast to many other polls, it stresses state-level economic data. It has accurately predicted the winner of every Presidential election since it was first developed in 1980. It projects over 330 electoral votes for the Republican challenger.

There's also unemployment. Only Franklin D. Roosevelt was able to be re-elected with unemployment this high. Republicans have repeatedly argued that the jobs crisis alone should guarantee Obama's defeat.

Finally, it's a truism of that if an incumbent cannot crack a 50% favorable rating in the polls close to an election, he’s sunk. In poll after poll, even in the battleground states, Obama fails to obtain a favorable majority.

What is actually happening: the decades’ long effort to elect a new people is finally coming to fruition. The old rules no longer apply. Barack Obama can afford to lose a few swing states, whereas Romney has no room for error. Even his Southern flank is weak, with states like Florida and Virginia still very much in play. Even a full-scale surrender on immigration issues won't save the GOP. Hispanics, especially recent immigrants, are simply more liberal.

Note also that the Democrats practice their own form of “inreach” to their white supporters, especially university students and single white women. Leftist social issues like gay marriage and abortion may not be winners nationwide, but Obama's strong stands motivate the high-income, highly-informed, and highly-motivated white liberals in the major cities. Even the Democrats' supposed white working class hero Joe Biden is saying “transsexual rights” (???!!) is now the “civil rights issue of our time.” This alliance between a minority of socially liberal whites and overwhelmingly Leftist ethnic minorities makes the electoral math for Republicans increasingly difficult.

In contrast, Romney's vision is “economism”—trying to defeat the president solely with wonkery about taxes and unemployment (but not of course mentioning an anti-unemployment immigration moratorium). Romney is not even running the implicit white campaign of George W. Bush in 2004, when the war rallied patriotic white voters—he is  running an implicit implicit white campaign. He could have forced Obama onto the defensive on a host of issues, including (of course) immigration, anti-white racial preferences, trade, and social concerns. But he has been cautious, characteristically, to the point of cowardice. The fact that he is still winning a solid majority of the white vote shows the deep disgust that average Americans have with the Obama regime.

Unfortunately, the new post-America has reached the point where who is the better economic manager may no longer matter.

Take Nevada. While ostensibly a swing state, it is all but guaranteed to go Democratic despite having the worst economy in the country. The housing crisis, fueled by mass immigration and Bush's mortgage Hispandering, has devastated the state. Unemployment is well over 11 percent, and has actually increased considerably from when Barack Obama took office.

But the state's high concentration of Hispanics combined with blacks means that there is a large percentage of the population simply beyond economic appeals. In fact, Hispanic voters in Nevada may even flip a Senate seat to the Democrats, despite the fact that their candidate is under investigation for corruption and wasn't even expected to be competitive.

A story from Illinois's 2nd Congressional District illustrates what is happening to the country as a whole. Incumbent Jesse Jackson Jr. has been on medical leave since June for a variety of “health issues.” This hasn't stopped him from hitting the bars with his friends, although he hasn't held a single campaign event or public appearance. His wife is sticking by his side, despite his past adultery (with a blonde bikini model) which is now public knowledge. This might have something to do with the several thousand dollars a month his campaign pays her “consulting firm.” Jackson is also the subject of an ongoing federal probe into his questionable finances.

But there is absolutely no chance that Republicans can make this race even close. Jackson has an absolute majority in the polls in a three-way race, despite doing no campaigning.

This might have something to do with the fact that Republican candidate Brian Woodworth, a white lawyer trying to represent a majority black, urban county, wants to win voters by telling them “Government needs to get off the backs of businesses.” Even more exciting, he is challenging not just the laws of political reality, but mathematics itself by claiming, “I am not looking to protect the “1%”; I will be working to provide more opportunity for every American to become part of the “1%.”

This economism doesn't seem to be doing much good, even though unemployment in both Illinois and Chicago is worse than in the country as a whole.

Black and Hispanic identity politics make increasingly areas of the country essentially immune to elections. As in South Africa's one-party state, it doesn't matter what the economy is doing or what policies are pursued – after the nominations, everyone knows who is going to win the election. Regardless of how bad unemployment is in Stockton, California or Detroit, Michigan, Republicans are not going to win on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and pious platitudes about a Constitution written by hated white males.

In swing districts and swing counties, minority voters can tip the balance to a liberal minority, with each new immigrant or refugee expressing their tribal loyalties at the ballot box essentially disenfranchising Americans trying to make an informed choice.

Whether Romney wins or loses, the Republican Party has to make a fateful choice if it isn't to become extinct. The Democrats have written off the white working class. It has nothing to offer those left behind by mass immigration, outsourcing, racial preferences, and continuous cultural warfare. The GOP could gain a new lease on life and increase their share of white vote with a populist appeal to American workers. It potentially could form a new alliance to save not just the Party, but the country.

But Romney/ Ryan offered the white working class nothing. And, unfortunately, Conservatism Inc. is already at work condemning “New Economic Nationalism” and invoking the  specter of Patrick J. Buchanan. Conservatism Inc., and its neoconservative controllers, would rather lose than associate with him. Conservative Inc.’s reigning ideology and the aspirations of the Republican Party to win national elections are, ultimately, irreconcilable.

On its current course, the Republican Party will probably continue its doomed effort to pursue minority voters, urged on by self-interested consultants, brain-dead movement “intellectuals,” and liberals eager to see it commit suicide.

But the opinion polls from Ohio carry a message that goes beyond the election and the fate of the man from Bain Capital.

For the white working class and the Republican Party, it is "Join—or Die".

... wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 5:29pm:

Good article.  I especially enjoyed the complete absence of any explanation as to what made it 'silly'.

"Penalising wealth creation". In a country with a 4 trillion dollar deficit and, after Hong Kong and Singapore, the lowest income taxes for the obscenely wealthy in the developed world.

The US isn’t going down the toilet because it doesn’t have the talent. It’s doing so under the combined weight of its fat old boys who want business as usual in a changing world: the petrol companies, the auto industry, agribusiness, the drug companies, the arms manufacturers, the financiers.

And helping them all are the lobbyists, campaign funds, the think tanks and writers like the above. A vast industry of persuasion, all bought, sold and paid for, but designed to look spontaneous. Fox News. The Tea Party. The climate denialist fossil fuelers, flat-earthers and free traders - a propaganda network so unsubtle it works.

People don’t want the truth, they want the Circus Maximus. The Ministry of Truth doesn’t need a megaphone in every workplace when it has Alan and Today Tonight. Why have love when you can have fear and hate?

The old Europe this article pours scorn on is Donald Rumsfeld’s line. It’s the Europe with its hand on the IMF, the Europe that in France and Germany, is leading the way in high quality exports, the Europe that, now united in a common market, doesn’t need US exports anymore.

And this is what the writer is really getting at: US decline and Obama’s refusal to play the old game of tax cuts for the rich and a new war to stimulate the economy.

The IMF predicts that in 4 years time, China’s GDP will overtake the US. Obama will therefore see midnight on his shift.

Expect to see many more articles like this one in the next 4 years, but know exactly what they’re about: the old boys getting sand kicked in their faces and having no one to come to the rescue.

JC Denton wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/avatars/UserAvatars/Yadda.JPG

:D :D
http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Gabe-the-Bulldog-Does-Tricks.jpg

:D

yeah lol the tax cut religion is so weird

the effects of taxation/monetary policy on actual economic trends are so ridiculously nebulous it just makes it all the more absurd you hear so many people talk so much with such certainty about how taxes are obliterating economic growth

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 7:07pm:

:D :D http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Gabe-the-Bulldog-Does-Tricks.jpg :D

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_493/127067605342H9Kd.jpg

JC Denton wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 7:09pm:

yeah lol the tax cut religion is so weird the effects of taxation/monetary policy on actual economic trends are so ridiculously nebulous it just makes it all the more absurd you hear so many people talk so much with such certainty about how taxes are obliterating economic growth

Well, people do not put their hands up to do extra shifts if the tax rate is 46% for their earnings for those extra shifts. Businesses do not re-locate to low-tax jurisdiction for reasons unrelated to taxation.

So it is not nebulous at all. Taxation is not everything- but nor is it a second-order consideration, let alone a 'ridiculously nebulous' or negligible one.

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 7:37pm:

Well, people do not put their hands up to do extra shifts if the tax rate is 46% for their earnings for those extra shifts. Businesses do not re-locate to low-tax jurisdiction for reasons unrelated to taxation. So it is not nebulous at all. Taxation is not everything- but nor is it a second-order consideration, let alone a 'ridiculously nebulous' or negligible one.

so, penalty rates sit where in your world-view???  ;D  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

I don't care about growth or anything - I just don't like taxes.

Karnal wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

The IMF predicts that in 4 years time, China’s GDP will overtake the US. Obama will therefore see midnight on his shift. Expect to see many more articles like this one in the next 4 years, but know exactly what they’re about: the old boys getting sand kicked in their faces and having no one to come to the rescue.

That's what they said about Japan in the 1990s. Except when the Chinese bubble bursts, it will be an even bigger bang than the Japanese one.

The exchange rate is artificial and unsustainable.  Paradoxically, when it is adjusted to where it should be without Communistr Party ukaze, China will be priced out of the el cheapo labor market. Not to mention that the debt owed by the world will be a lot less in Chinese money than it is now.

It will also then have to start consuming a lot more of what it produces because it will not be so internationally competitive. But 700 million Chinese are still poor by any standard. China will not lift these people out of poverty before the demographic decline of the one child policy starts to bite.

The Chinese property bubble is already bigger than it was in the West or Japan before the crash there.

The level of corruption is stupendous. You can't be a world beater in the long run if you are so corrupt.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

so, penalty rates sit where in your world-view???  ;D  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Who cares if you are taxed at 46%? At that rate, your hourly earning of $100 is only $54. 
Other concessions are also lost when you reach a combined $160,000 a year in Australia.

You can't even salt it away in super because there is a limit of $25,000 super contribution per year (this includes what your boss pays and what you pay).

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 8:22pm:

Who cares if you are taxed at 46%? At that rate, your hourly earning of $100 is only $54.  Other concessions are also lost when you reach a combined $160,000 a year in Australia. You can't even salt it away in super because there is a limit of $25,000 super contribution per year (this includes what your boss pays and what you pay).

Lol, I think we all realise your argument: that working that 5th day is a joke!

  :o  :D :D :D :D :D  :o

Hey!! Where's the highlight?!?!?

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

That's what they said about Japan in the 1990s. Except when the Chinese bubble bursts, it will be an even bigger bang than the Japanese one. The exchange rate is artificial and unsustainable.  Paradoxically, when it is adjusted to where it should be without Communistr Party ukaze, China will be priced out of the el cheapo labor market. Not to mention that the debt owed by the world will be a lot less in Chinese money than it is now. It will also then have to start consuming a lot more of what it produces because it will not be so internationally competitive. But 700 million Chinese are still poor by any standard. China will not lift these people out of poverty before the demographic decline of the one child policy starts to bite. The Chinese property bubble is already bigger than it was in the West or Japan before the crash there. The level of corruption is stupendous. You can't be a world beater in the long run if you are so corrupt.

You know something? That’s a good post. My hat goes off to you.

Your first in a very long time, and it shows something going on upstairs (we know you lost down below years ago).

Maybe you can write more like it, old chap.

You’ve managed to persuade me.

One thing though: China’s rise is one thing. Amerika’s decline is another. Its election was fought largely on the economy, and no matter how everything looks on paper - the fundamentals - Amerikans know the rot has set in. It has one thing, you see, the Chinese don’t: debt. And no way to repay it.

Debt is what makes third world countries third world countries. That, and the odd despot.

Amerika’s days are not numbered, but the writing’s on the wall.

As every schoolboy knows.

.....and another test.

:-[

FriYAY wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Can you imagine flat batting that cat standing on it’s hind legs, with a shovel. It’d be pretty funny.

No, it wouldn't be 'funny'.

A thought like that, comes from a very sick and dangerous mind, imo.

Japan's debt is 200% of its GDP. The US's is only about 100%.
Germany's about 80%.

The debt crisis is very significant and unsustainable. However, it is important to realise that most of the US debt (about 80%) is held by the US Federal Reserve Bank and other US lenders (pension funds and the like). America owes most of its debt to Americans. Only about a quarter of US debt is held by foreigners. China's holdings of US debt are about 10% of the total.

By contrast, China relies on the rest of the world - ie foreigners - on its trade surplus and economic growth and growing prosperity. Even though China's internal market (ie population) is bigger than Europe, US and Japan combined, the internal market is not what allows China to grow.

And if anyone thought income distribution was unfair in the West, have a look at income disparity in China.

The Americans will not put up with China's artificially low exchange rate. And if China doesn't get with the program, it will have to overcome protective tariffs. When that happens, it will be 'hello, bi-polar world, welcome back, we missed you'.

Soren wrote on Nov 12^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:

Japan's debt is 200% of its GDP. The US's is only about 100%. Germany's about 80%. The debt crisis is very significant and unsustainable. However, it is important to realise that most of the US debt (about 80%) is held by the US Federal Reserve Bank and other US lenders (pension funds and the like). America owes most of its debt to Americans. Only about a quarter of US debt is held by foreigners. China's holdings of US debt are about 10% of the total. By contrast, China relies on the rest of the world - ie foreigners - on its trade surplus and economic growth and growing prosperity. Even though China's internal market (ie population) is bigger than Europe, US and Japan combined, the internal market is not what allows China to grow. And if anyone thought income distribution was unfair in the West, have a look at income disparity in China. The Americans will not put up with China's artificially low exchange rate. And if China doesn't get with the program, it will have to overcome protective tariffs. When that happens, it will be 'hello, bi-polar world, welcome back, we missed you'.

I don't think tariffs would do much, even if the incentive was there. Remember who funds Washington: the multinationals. They don't want tariffs, and Obama's now in debt to them.

The writer you posted favours free trade. She hates "old Europe", and tariffs are like lace doilies and cuckoo clocks.

Now we know the "free trade" idea is only good while it suits the US, but big business doesn't want tariffs. Threatening a trade wall is only a political strategy. It wont wash with all those US firms that get their products made in China. And when the price of a new flatscreen or Iphone goes through the roof thanks to tax, there goes Obama's political capital, along with every politician in the Congress that supports it.

I wonder if China itself will react to the artificial exchange rate. After all, it's Chinese investors who are being ripped off. If you follow the money, you'll see where the real motivations and incentives lie. Politicians can say whatever they want, but the US's decline is built into the structure of the global economy.

It's good as a consumer market, but manufacturing? Forget about it. And remember, the development of heavy industry is what has led every nation to power, and what has caused every big war in the past century.

Amerika's decline is in no one's interests, including the Chinese. But the exclusion of China would be even worse. This, after all, is exactly what led to WWI and II when Germany and Japan felt left out.

Debts are not the same. It's about what your creditors think of you and that's based on your ability to service your debt, not necessarily repay it.

The US's credit rating is still above China's by every credit rating agency except the Chinese one. (It's about whose lookin', innit?)

Which one will burst first, the US or China? I bet on China. If that happens, money will be pouring into the US as the safe heaven. And flat screen TV will be even cheaper becasue the Chinese currency will be fooked.

Americas business is business. The Chinese Communist Party's business is staying in power.

Karnal wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

Amerika's decline is in no one's interests, including the Chinese. But the exclusion of China would be even worse. This, after all, is exactly what led to WWI and II when Germany and Japan felt left out.

China is hardly 'left out', if anything, it is allowed to get away with too much - viz exchange rates distorting its trade balance with everyone.

Soren wrote on Nov 13^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

China is hardly 'left out', if anything, it is allowed to get away with too much - viz exchange ratees distorting its trade balance with everyone.

That's strange. You seem to believe China should have no say over its currency, but you believe the US has every right to respond in kind with tariffs.

Australia used to peg its money to the US dollar, and before that, the British pound.

Almost every developing country regulates its currency. In Cambodia, they even use US dollars. I'm not defending it, but I do believe it's hypocritical to blame China for doing something every country has been guilty of at some stage, including the US.

Ah, an example of 'multiculturalism' in the international trade arena. International trade and finance with 'Chinese characteristics'.

When everyone regulates his currency in accordance with the flight of birds, you'd be mad not to do the same. But when your main trading partners allow their currency to float and be determined by the market and you keep yours artificially low simply to rip them off as much as you can - then you have yourself a Bowen of a country.