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Title: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Western Apologist on Oct 23rd, 2012 at 11:55am
One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/one-in-20-priests-an-abuser-inquiry-told-20121022-2816q.html Quote:
Pedo supporters your time is coming. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Oct 23rd, 2012 at 12:09pm |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by mutation on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:09pm
Given that Catholic Priests are a subset of Australian males if fair to assume a similar % of males in general are similarly disposed! And consequently a similar % of Police, School Teachers and Politicians.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:41pm
Sorry! they can't all be tarred with the same brush, that's why the Catholic Church is the one facing a possible royal enquiry. It is endemic within the Catholic Church and to a lesser degree the other Christian denominations.
That's not to say there isn't paedophilia present in other areas, but not to the same degree. One in 20 priests, not butchers, bakers or candlestick makers. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by gizmo_2655 on Oct 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:41pm:
But did they (the priests) become paedophiles, or do paedophhiles choose to become priests??? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by mutation on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:13pm
Sorry! they can't all be tarred with the same brush
Why? Because you havent yet seen it in the newspaper? , that's why the Catholic Church is the one facing a possible royal enquiry. It is endemic within the Catholic Church and to a lesser degree the other Christian denominations. That degree is an unknown quantity and pretending otherwise is plain silly! There is no reason to think that unless the RCC actively recruits pedophiles that they would have any higher % than any other group. They might but unless you can give some evidence to that effect you cant really talk about it! That's not to say there isn't paedophilia present in other areas, but not to the same degree. Really You want to compare groups like Afghani Males or Private School Teachers and see if it isnt 1 in 20 or better? If there is a difference between one group and another its probably because those groups offer better availability to "talent" than others and so attract people predisposed to pedophilia! One in 20 priests, not butchers, bakers or candlestick makers. Dont bet on it |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Prevailing on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:15pm
The ratio of child abusers and pedo's is much higher for teachers... :P :P
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Oct 26th, 2012 at 4:40am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 23rd, 2012 at 12:09pm:
Bit like murdoch being a british problem. . . .. SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Oct 26th, 2012 at 4:42am gizmo_2655 wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 1:26pm:
God made them paedophiles because they are his favourites. SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:25am
Let's start with a royal enquiry into the Catholic church, then other denominations/religions, then bakers and school teachers.
Although there doesn't seem to be the same level of protection within other groups, so maybe we can leave them out of the enquiry. They have no cloaks to hide behind, some don't even have a god of their choosing to forgive them. I wonder why the Catholic church was chosen as the one most needy of a Royal Enquiry? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Prevailing on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:50am
I condemn Government pedophiles and warpigs.. >:( >:(
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by FriYAY on Oct 26th, 2012 at 9:07am Prevailing wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:50am:
LOL You wouldn't know a war pig if it was hanging out your dot. The church cover up of this abuse is disgraceful. >:( *looks again for puke button* |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Western Apologist on Oct 26th, 2012 at 10:09am mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
This is a non argument because the real issue here is the covering up, not the amount of pedos. Also, professions like being a priest attract a large number of pedos like flys to shyt so they are going to have a greater concentration. If you were a pedo would you get a job where you'll get protected from prosecution and moved around constantly for fresh victims or one where your likely to get caught? Most pedos "groom" their victims, in the case of being a religious icon of the community priests don't have to do much grooming which is a huge benefit for them. Something that most pedos would understand cause they are calculated phukers. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Western Apologist on Oct 26th, 2012 at 10:11am Prevailing wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 11:15pm:
link? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by mutation on Oct 26th, 2012 at 6:53pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:25am:
Why are Catholics worse if they are? Celibacy would be the most likely culprit followed by Catholic families having more children hence a greater access of little bums to root, add the whole catholic guilt, Papal Infalability and tendency to melieve the church knows best! It would be interesting to find the breakdown of boys and girls or both raped by each denomination of religious dicks! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:00pm
Mutation,
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Hang em & hang em high. . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:59am
The NSW government must start to be transparent and call a Royal Commission today. What are they afraid of? that politicians will be exposed as well as clergy?
................................................................... Police officer challenges NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell for inquiry into abuse by clergy A SENIOR police investigator has publicly challenged NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell to launch a royal commission into child sex abuse by clergy, saying the premier is lucky his own children haven't become victims too. Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox, who has investigated clergy abuse around Newcastle for decades, wrote an open letter to the premier and then criticised the state government's continued failure to launch a judicial inquiry on national television. "We're lucky. We haven't had to go through what some of those other families have gone through," he told ABC's Lateline last night, noting that Mr O'Farrell is the father of two boys. "He has a lot of thanks to give that his boys were never ever abused. ... If he has any compassion and humanity for some of these victims, he's got to turn around (his position)." The comments came after the senior officer published an open letter stating that there are so many NSW sex abuse cases that he's actually lost count. "I can testify from my own experience that the church covers up, silences victims, hinders police investigations, alerts offenders, destroys evidence and moves priests to protect the good name of the church," he wrote in his letter. "Mr O'Farrell, please don't block your ears. Many priests don't want a royal commission, nor does the hierarchy of the church, but God knows we need one." Det Chief Insp Fox said he has "irrefutable" evidence of a cover-up involving a number of diocese bishops. "It potentially goes even higher than that," he told Lateline. http://www.news.com.au/national/officer-challenges-nsw-premier-for-inquiry/story-fndo4eg9-1226513383011 |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:07am
How come these pricks are above the law ??
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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3629020.htm |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:10am Quote:
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3629022.htm Hey Verge, longloser, Quantum - the priest was only doing his job right !! Quote:
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:17am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:07am:
The police force are either taking hush money or they are involved too. To expose the church would be to expose themselves and probably other government officials as well. Why else would the police force choose to sweep such allegations under the carpet? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:33am mutation wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 6:53pm:
I read a study only a few months back, and it stated that in many cases the pedo's are so predispositioned to their illness from an early age in late teens etc (its not something that creeps up on them) that they actually seek employment that will give them access to children, however they do it more sub consciously than consciously. Thats why professions like the preisthood, teachers and youth workers have the highest percentage of abusers from OUTSIDE THE FAMILY. Sadly the family is still the highest percentage of abusers. So if your Uncle is a catholic priest, you fukked. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:36am Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:33am:
the difference is if joe average gets caught fiddling up kids then he usually goes to jail but that law apparently doesn't apply to pedos in church institutions !! How come ?? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:45am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:36am:
Why you asking me? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:47am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:36am:
The only difference is your uncle will be charged when you dob to the cops, the priest will not. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:47am Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:45am:
you seem to be defending them. How come ? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:50am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:47am:
Where was I defending them? I was merely sharing information I have read about the psychology of the offender. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:52am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:47am:
The scary thing about the research was only about half of all cases are reported. I will have to see if I can find it, it was an Australian government paper. Some really disturbing findings. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:58am Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:50am:
you were implying that it's ok for pedo priest to offend because others do it. Two wrongs don't make a right !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:02am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:58am:
I didnt say that at all you liar. I was merely pointing out that Pedos seek employment that puts them in contact with children, and this explains the high offending rate. Why would I defend anyone that does that you sick fukk. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:14am Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:02am:
you're always defending your catholic mates so you bugger off. your arguments are red herrings anyway. It doesn't change the fact that certain sections of the community get special treatment by the law and authorities :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:29am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:14am:
Where did I defend this, and where did I say they get special treatment. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:05am Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:29am:
you keep using the same line all of the time as though it justifies it :( Quote:
we all know that you are an apologist for the corrupt catholic institutions. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 1:22pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:05am:
How is that an apoligist when the rates against girls is something like 75% family and the rates against boys being something like 40% being from a family member? I dont see an apology there at all. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Hyperion on Nov 9th, 2012 at 2:49pm Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 1:22pm:
Verge said: [I think I know why Spot thinks I propositioned him] Could it be that this Dude is defending his position because he has a 'vested' (pun intended) interest. oar oar oar! C'mon man, come out. No one cares anymore. Except when you do it to kiddies. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 2:51pm Bobby. wrote on Oct 26th, 2012 at 7:00pm:
They should hang the lot of them in a public square as a warning to all other depraved pedophiles. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 3:40pm Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 1:22pm:
what has that got to do with the criminals that are protected within the catholic church ? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:00pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 3:40pm:
I think the issue as a whole needs further investigating and more done to fix this, further than just investigating one denomination of offender. Whilst digusting, the church is not the main offender. I want to see the issue tackled as a whole so kids dont have to suffer. You want to use this to carry on your vendetta against the church to feel vindicated. I personally want to see the whole thing worked on so no kid ever has to go through that kind of treatment. Do I support a Royal Commision into the churches activities on this issue - yes. Do I want to see the issue broadened to understand, treat and deal with pedo's before they even offend, more than anything. Typical Nail, all about retirbution as opposed to prevention. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:02pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:10am:
You're a I have never defended pedophiles. Any priest (and anyone else) convicted of touching kids sexually should be locked away. Stop accusing people of defending pedophiles you sick bastard. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm
Isnt it funny how when you say something not against something you are suddenly "defending it"?
SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:00pm:
Stop trying to sideline the issue. The issue is the Catholic church is harbouring criminals and subverting the law whilst stifling proper investigation. The issue is not who else is doing it !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:30pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:26pm:
Ive already stated I support a Royal Commission. It still doesnt change the fact they are still not the main offenders of this horrendous crime. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:44pm Quantum wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:02pm:
weren't you saying that you shouldn't tar all churches with the same brush ?? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:45pm Verge wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:30pm:
but they seem to be the ones that get away with it by subverting the law :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by red baron on Nov 9th, 2012 at 5:42pm
Surprise! surprise! When God created humans he didn't have it in mind that some of them would put on collars back the front and lead lives of absolute repression.
The Catholic religion is the most anal repressed and totally mind bended Christian religion there is. It goes against all things normal for people to deny their sexuality. Hence the huge problem that is the teachers in the Catholic Church. I'm sure and certain God didn't have that in mind when he created Adam and Eve. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm
The Catholic Church has been reaming bums for the last 1000 years or more.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:16pm
bobby, stop putting that horrible picture up, it gives me the heebie jeebies. You are becoming a pain in the bum :)
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:25pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:16pm:
Sorry Panzi, I'm just fed up with churches reaming out peoples bums. You'd think the problem would have been solved by now. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by cods on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:48pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
one would hope it would ever be solved...as it is with the internet it is now more so than ever before.. the Catholic church covered it up for years and years.. in fact they just sent a priest from one town to the next thinking that would fix the problem..all because the priesthood wasnt for everyone.... missing the point of course about the children.. and damage done to them.. oh thats ok put a bandaid on it.. will soon be better...... we all know differently today..as it should be..and at long last this might just might bring closure for some..I hope so..I am sure its done untold damage to the Catholic Church and its school system. sadly the Catholic church is just one of many... we need to protect our children better.. make it 25 years for molesting a child..at least |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:50pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:44pm:
And he provided you with very clear evidence that you shouldnt. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:05pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 6:25pm:
Yeah I know. It's just those instruments of torture creep me out. I saw the tools of torture the Christian missionaries used in Fiji to convince the natives to become Christian........horrible way to get members! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:23pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:05pm:
Hi Panzi, I still think that we all need to be reminded about the truth of the Catholic church. Banning such pictures would mean that we forget our history & as such we would be condemned to repeat it. That being said I believe that most people in the Catholic church are ok however I don't like the way that they all seem to ignore their history e.g. we have people like Longweekend & other's on this forum who are Inquisition deniers. These same people like to gloss over more recent depraved acts commited by their own representatives - their priests. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by The Grappler on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:27pm mutation wrote on Oct 25th, 2012 at 12:09pm:
Jee-zuz - that's scary! I've heard tales - and know some cases at close hand - but somehow I still don't accept that there seem to be a lot out there. Couple of cases in close family. Does anyone know why there are so many around? :'( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:48pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:27pm:
It's around because our society has become depraved. It's very scary - must be the End Times. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:11pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 7:48pm:
what I can't understand is how do people like, verge, longloser and quantum feel the need to still frequent these places on a regular basis and give them money !! They wouldn't give money to other paedophiles but some how in their twisted reasoning they can disassociate the abhorrent crimes from the collective representatives of an otherwise criminal organisation !! Go figure !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:21pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Hi Nail, I think Longweekend gives a 10% tithe to the happy clapper evangelicals rather than the catholic church? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:24pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:11pm:
Obvious trolling. But surely accusing people of not only protecting, but actually supporting any pedophiles is ban worthy? It is not like this is the first time nail has hinted at this, and there are many posts denying his thinly veiled accusations. But this post by nail is very direct. This forum can be fairly low blow at times, but accusing people of supporting any pedo's at all is really gloves off. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:35pm
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:47pm Quantum wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
Of course Longweekend - just like you accusing everyone of being a Peter Puffer. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 10th, 2012 at 12:05am Bobby. wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:47pm:
Firstly, I am not longweekend. Secondly, I haven't accused "everyone" of being gay. Just you. Thirdly, I never even suggested you were gay until after you started posting this photo and claiming it was longweekend and myself; So don't start throwing rocks unless you expect a few to be thrown back. Pussy. Lastly, calling someone gay is certainly a part of the low blow nature of this forum. We all know it gets rough at times. But accusing people of covering up or actually supporting pedophilia is the extreme. Personally, I am not going to loose any sleep over what some idiot says on the Internet. I am certainly not going to start a thread and whine about what so and so said. It's just a forum on the net and there are more important things in real life to worry about. But, if this forum allows people to accuse others of supporting pedophilia, then anything goes. There has to be a line, and this is not the first time nail has crossed it. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by greggerypeccary on Nov 10th, 2012 at 12:13am Quantum wrote on Nov 10th, 2012 at 12:05am:
Why? It's perfectly legal you know? Why would anyone worry about someone calling them gay? Who cares? This isn't high school kiddies! (* waits for the deluge of posts proclaiming me to be gay ::) ) |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 10th, 2012 at 5:00am Quantum wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:24pm:
oh as opposed to accusing ppl of bestiality? SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 10th, 2012 at 7:45am
Who said I attend the church on a regular basis? You also have no idea which religion i am of.
Nice work though nail to divert from the facts that both quantum and I support a royal commission You are just a dog nail, pure and simple devoid of basic reading comprehension |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 10th, 2012 at 9:13am
Quantum,
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I always get mixed up between Longweekend & Quantum. You both seem to have a standard method of trying to win arguments: the ad hominem attack - as soon as you've lost you accuse the winner of being gay. As such - expect the same in return. If you stop doing that then so will I. As for Nail - he probably thinks the same way as he's always attacked too. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:27pm
And look who is also backing a royal commission.
So what is Gillards problem? Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has declared his support for a "wide-ranging" royal commission into allegations of child sex abuse, but says it should not just focus on claims involving the Catholic Church. His move adds significant pressure on the Prime Minister to establish a national inquiry into explosive allegations by a senior New South Wales police investigator that the church covered up evidence involving paedophile priests. Julia Gillard has not yet said whether she thinks a royal commission is needed, but Mr Abbott has pledged his support if the Government decides to establish such an inquiry. "Wherever abuse has occurred it must be tackled and it must be tackled vigorously, openly and transparently," Mr Abbott said in a statement. "It's clear that for a long period there was insufficient awareness and insufficient vigilance when it came to predatory behaviour by people in positions of authority over children. "Any investigation must be wide-ranging, must consider any evidence of the abuse of children in Australia, and should not be limited to the examination of any one institution. "It must include all organisations, government and non-government, where there is evidence of sexual abuse." Several Labor MPs have publicly declared their support for a nationally constituted royal commission, saying it is the only way to deal with allegations that cross state borders. The New South Wales Government has set up an inquiry in response to the allegations. A separate parliamentary inquiry into church sex abuse is already underway in Victoria. Former prime minister Kevin Rudd says he is "deeply disturbed" by the issue of child abuse, and has indicated his willingness to support a broader inquiry if needed. "If either of these independent inquiries conclude that there is evidence of institutional resistance on the part of the Catholic Church, or that more resources are needed to deal with these matters, then I believe this would constitute a clear case for a national royal commission," he said. "Under any such royal commission, there should be an open examination of what has occurred in the past; what further reforms are necessary for the future as well as addressing the key question of appropriate compensation for victims," he said. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:53pm Verge wrote on Nov 10th, 2012 at 7:45am:
bullshit, you are an apologist for the catholic church. you have proven that time and time again !! Just like you defended the catholic church when they took away a house from invalid children and their carers and they had no shortage of resources to defend it in court !! Same as now. The catholic church has no shortage of resources to defend paedophile priests :( You were right on the side of a corrupt religious institution just like you are now !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:00pm
Fear and ignorance are the cause of Christian bashing.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:19pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
Well that is just the biggest load of crap I have read. Nice delusion nail, and I think you will find I am an avid supporter of private education, not the catholic church. Nice try though mate but your mud wont stick no matter how much you try and throw. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by john.masters34 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:03pm
I write children's books
The next one will be Teddy learns about love Teddy loves Samantha, Samantha loves Bill, Bill loves Lisa, Lisa loves Verge, Verge loves Teddy Teddy is confused |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:39pm Verge wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:19pm:
I f.cken know you mate. Look through your previous posts. You were on the side of the catholic institution that battled in court to keep a house that was denied to invalid children because the old lady had become senile and bequeathed it all to those crooks without due consideration of the needs of her own family. That's how those pricks work and you were on their side. :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:41pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:00pm:
Rubbish !! Christians promote unreason as a positive virtue and as such it should be discouraged !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:42pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:41pm:
why do you fear christians so much? How do they persoanlly affect you? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:51pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:42pm:
Hi Nail, I'll answer this with a question. Robert, Why do you fear Nazis so much? How do they personally affect you. Why do you fear pedophiles so much? How do they personally affect you. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:52pm
Such ignorance....
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:56pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:52pm:
Robert can't answer his own question with one word changed - what a loser. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:59pm
Did I mention fear and hatred?
Well, I meant to - fear, hatred and ignorance. They're the only possible reasons why anyone can dislike anything. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:01pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 5:59pm:
Anyway - Julia Gillard has just announced a royal commission into church pedophilia. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:04pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:01pm:
Yes, the hatred is strong in that one. Or is it ignroance? A bit of both I think - with a light garnish of fear on top. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:04pm
Hang em high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm
A Royal Commission into the Catholic Church. It's about time. Let's hope we never have to have another one.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by john.masters34 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:15pm
I write children's books
The next one is called Teddy and his friend's tell the Royal Commission why they hate Sundays then the next one Teddy cries when he tells his secret |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:15pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:09pm:
Hi Pansi - have you watched the Hang em High video clip - above? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:30pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:15pm:
2:40, it's the best I could do, I just don't have the stomach for it bobby. I'm glad we don't still have them, I'd be out there protesting. I was a bit more than a kid when we had our last hanging here, in Melbourne, and I sill remember how it affected me. I'm just not into gory stuff bobby, but I hope the church people who abused the children get the punishment they deserve. Good long prison sentences would be fine. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:31pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:30pm:
Hi Pansi- you can safely watch the clip has the hanging only happens in part 10. The clip is part 9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsMQABEiRMc |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:46pm
ALL CATHOLICS SHOULD BE ASHAMED!
-->> READ YOUR OWN BIBLE, GEEZ LOUISE!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:49pm
Pell will be in the witness box.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:54pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:46pm:
Really? So, does that mean it's OK to blame whole groups for the actions of individuals? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:57pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
IF CATHOLICS SIT THERE AND SAY NOTHING THEY ARE SUPPORTING IT! -->>FASCISTS SUPPORT FASCISTS!! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:58pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:57pm:
Ok. Does that go for, say, aborigines? I mean, the group commits a bugger of a lot of crime - all abos should be ashamed. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:02pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:58pm:
IFF(MATHEMATICAL TERM MEANING "IF AND ONLY IF") THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING, YES THEY SHOULD! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:04pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
Yes, because the hierarchy covered up for the offenders. This has been common knowledge within the community for decades. The parishioners should have lobbied the church to take appropriate action. They are all guilty by association because they stood by and did nothing to protect the children. Those few who went against the church and reported certain incidents should be praised. They were mostly the parents of abused children so it would have taken a certain amount of guts to go against the people you trusted. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:11pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:04pm:
;) ;) ;) SHAME TO ALL THOSE BRAINWASHED CRETINS WHO SAID NOTHING AGAINST THEIR ORGANISED RELIGION!! FOR FEAR OF WHAT I ASK YOU???????????????????? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Avram Horowitz on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:13pm
Stop using this issue to make nasty comments about all religion.
Religions have billions of people. Not all of them are good 100% of the time. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:17pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:13pm:
I THINK MOST WERE TALKING ABOUT CATHOLICS WHO SAID NOTHING ABOUT THEIR OWN ORGANISTION!! :o :o |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:22pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:04pm:
Then blame the people who covered it up. No point smearing a billion people for the actions of, I dunno, maybe a fw hundred. Or is there? I'm getting mixed messages here...... What did you do to protect the children? It is common knowledge after all - if you did nothing, you too are just as guilty as 99.9% of catholics. Forgiven. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:36pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:22pm:
Dear Robert - it seems like you have a problem with this investigation. What are you afraid of? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Robert Paulson on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:41pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:36pm:
Oh nothing, I'm just so confused. Every day I'm hearing how "not all (insert designated victim) are like that" and how I shouldn't make generalistaions based on silly things like statistical data, empirical evidence and so forth. Now I'm hearing it's our right, nay our duty, to hold all 1 billion catholics to account for the crimes of a few hundred people in their hierarchy. It's just so darn inconsistent. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:44pm
Robert,
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No - no - just a few hundred Catholic priests will be called. ( Oh & a few Anglicans etc ) |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:44pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:41pm:
Not from me: My argument is that all Catholics who said nothing should die of shame for not reading their own biible!! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 8:46pm
The Catholics have been reaming out people's bums
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 12th, 2012 at 8:52pm
More lies again nail. I said providing she was of sound mind the old lady can give her house to whoever the he'll she wanted. It was hers and she could do as she wanted. Nice twist again by our resident bullshit artist nail
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:05pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
Hi Nail, I wonder if we can find the actual text link? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Aussie on Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:11pm
Another test.
:-? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:20pm
Verge
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:05pm:
Here's one: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294658062/1306 Verge Quote:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294658062/1275 Verge - Quote:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294658062/1034 Quote:
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:13pm Verge wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 8:52pm:
so the church was busy spending the money given to them by their parishioners on legal fees so they could do a couple of disabled kids out of a place to live and you were all for that :( Where is the churches compassion in helping out the needy instead of helping themselves ?? There is no compassion when it comes to needy. Only compassion for money which is what the church is all about :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:16pm
Hey verge would you leave your child in the care of this priest ?? Of course you f.cken would because you are such a moron !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMWjV2zRD3w |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:19pm ... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:41pm:
why not ?? Those 1 billion have been funding them even when the bad stories have been circulating for years. What is their excuse for giving a corrupt religious institution money when it was public knowledge that they were cultivating and harbouring paedophiles ?? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:23pm
Hi Nail,
It's big news around the world. This news even gets on the front page of the BBC. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20293601 Watch Julia fly in the video. Aljazeera too http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2012/11/2012111285898683.html South China Post http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1080725/australia-hold-inquiry-child-sex-abuse Japan Today: http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/australia-to-hold-national-inquiry-into-child-sex-abuse-by-church |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:26pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:23pm:
It's about time their crimes were taken seriously !! Lets hope that Juliar doesn't hold a white-washed Cole Royal Commission that achieves absolutely nothing except to allow the criminals to get off scott free :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:31pm
Hi Nail,
Is it possible that George Pell knew about pedophiles but didn't contact the police? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:37pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:16pm:
Hi Nail,what a terrible example that man is - yet he still has a job as a priest - go figure. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:39pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:49pm:
ARCH BISHOP HELL - YOU ARE GOING DOWN MATE !!! Jail will give you plenty of time to repent for the sins of turning a blind eye :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:46pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:31pm:
Of course he did. He was too busy counting the money to worry about it :( Only people like verge and longloser think he is a good bloke :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:06pm
Hi Nail,
could this be the outcome? prison_bars___pell_G.jpg (111 KB | 55
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:20pm |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 12th, 2012 at 11:38pm
As Light would say:
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:37am
So you couldn't prove I was for the church, I was for the woman as long as she was of sound mind she could do with her assets as she pleased, so instead now you try and go after my family. What kind of a sick fukk are you nail?
Every attempt you make to try and take me down has been shot out of the sky because your claims are so ridiculous it's obvious you are high |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 6:35am Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:37am:
Except a whole list of examples on page 7. Apologise Verge - you're wrong. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:23am Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 6:35am:
Those examples proved my point, I said the woman is free to make up her own mind what to do with her own assets, providing she was of sound mind. You have no idea if she was or wasnt. And one of the quotes you put up was in reply to you bobby saying if the woman had of known about the events of hundreds of years ago she wouldnt have done it, so the church shouldnt get it. Which once again proved my point, it is irrelevant. And nice work not quoting all of my post you dog. Bobby Wrote - Answering for Nail - True - no dirt on them yet. Didn't you read what I said? What about those questions - are they really that hard for you to answer? By the way - you can the book called - The Case of the Pope: Vatican Accountability for Human Rights Abuse by Geoffrey Robertson QC from Amazon.com here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Pope-Vatican-Accountability-Rights/dp/0241953847[/quote] I wrote - Firstly, your questions are irrelevant, because at no stage do they address the rights of a woman to gift her assets to anyone she sees fit. Secondly, The Church is the Order of the Capuchin Franciscan Fathers in Australia has had no such allegations you and nail speak of. Just because the Pope has failed to act appropiratley doesnt mean those on the ground floor should suffer. I dont hold all Americans responsible for the actions of George Bush and their government for their actions on Iraq do I. Oh and nail, all Churches in Australia must undergo an audit program every year to keep their charity status, and must report to ASIC accordingly. It is not undertaken by the Vatican and it is not all hush hush like you claim. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:39am
I wonder if when the royal commission gets underway if we will find that the number is more than 1 in 20?
SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by olde.sault on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:46am bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2012 at 11:55am:
And how many supposedly-decent households hide a paedophile? In my younger life, I knew of three such households and I hadn't been acquainted with too many more. The mothers/wives hinted rather than told me straight out. I guess they had put an end to the practice with threats of going to the police but it wouldn't have made pleasant living! A good thrashing would do wonders for paedophiles who seem to have too much time for indulging their penises. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:51am olde.sault wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:46am:
I read data that said 50% of abusers are from the family, and only about 50% of cases are actually reported. Scary stuff. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by olde.sault on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:57am BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 7:11pm:
It isn't pleasant but having to talk to one's children, encouraging their confidence would be a good strategy. A change in a child's happy disposition would be a good clue. A child might mention how good Father Sebastian was to them, etc.. That would be time to take notice of Father Sebastian's intentions. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:12am Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:37am:
I don't have to take you down because you do a good job of that yourself. Read what you wrote. You were all for the church who have got endless reserves of money whereas that family with two disabled children doesn't. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:13am Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:51am:
Hey verge would you leave your child in the care of this priest ?? Of course you f.cken would because you are such a moron !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMWjV2zRD3w |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:18am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:13am:
So this is the best you have, you cant beat me on topic so you resort to implying I would leave my child in the care of a known pedo. You are a dog Nail and the worst bit is you know it, so you will do anything you can to bring people down to your level so you can beat them with experience. Still doesnt change the facts mate. Go back and re-read the thread, and the posts are all the same. People saying it was the womans right to do with her assets as she wishes, and you bobby saying but look at the past and the crimes they committed. Still doesnt change the fact, it was her asset to do as she wished, and its not up to you and me to say who deserves them, be it a disabled grand child or a church. Thats the joys of working your whole life, you can do with your assets as you want. I wouldnt do what she did, but Im not going to judge her. I dont support the church, I support the woman to make up her own mind. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:21am Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:37am:
Well well arent you the hypocritical troll. Isnt that what you do to me all the time? Try to go after my family - except you know nothing about them so you cant . . . . SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:23am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:21am:
What you and your roomie do it your business mate, call yourselves what ever you like. Is it still pologamy when you are in a relationship with multiple personalities? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:33am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:12am:
Hear hear Nail, Verge did everything to support the Church conning an old lady out of all her money. He denied it but I found a few of the quotes. Then he wouldn't apologise - he's not even a man. Verge - you're a troll & you should be banned. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:46am Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:18am:
oh really !! So where in their bible does it say to use parishioners contributions to pay lawyers and legal fees instead of using that money to help people in need ?? Isn't this family with two dependent disabled children classified as someone in need ?? Why didn't the church just walk away from the family contesting the will and just hand it back to them and practice what they preach in the true spirit of so called "compassionate christians" ?? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 11:54am Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:33am:
It appears you are against free will, and I stand behind each of those posts, and it appears many others in that same thread were of the exact same opinion. I will apoligise when I am in the wrong, so in this case I will do nothing of the sort. I would have supported the woman if she chose to give it to the RSPCA, the local footy club or even one of her two children. Why, because it was HERS to give. Something you dont seem to understand. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 11:57am Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:46am:
Who said they used parish money to pay for laywers. In Hawthorne I would think they would have a few parishioners who are lawyers who would do it pro-bono. Why was the woman not free to gift her assets where SHE see's fit? While a shame for her two kids and disabled grand children, it still doesnt change the fact AUSTRALIAN LAW lets us leave our belongings to whom we choose. Pitty in your vendatta against the church you dont see it fit to honor someones wishes. I wouldnt expect you to understand. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:17pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:51am:
I understand that, but families don't send the culprits around the counrty-side or to other countries to hide them. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:19pm
Verge,
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Verge, But the church worked on her - something you refuse to see. The RSPCA doesn't offer a gold pass to heaven either. They took advantage of an old lady & the church didn't care about her disabled kids who were thrown out on the street. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by JC Denton on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:21pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGs0u4BkZ4
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:31pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 11:57am:
because the family contested the will and the church went to court to fight it out !! why not just walk away and do the compassionate deed and let the family have their mothers house for their disabled children ?? Isn't that what they are supposed to do and help out the needy ? where is the churches compassion in all of this ?? Look the church doesn't even follow its own bible !! Quote:
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by iceyone on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:28pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:31pm:
Has the church ever followed the bible? Of course other institutions have pedo's in them, however the other institutions haven't tried to cover it up on such a large scale! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:38pm Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:28pm:
They also dont have as much trust to abuse. In a school its not likely you would be alone with an adult for long same with other institutions but in a church . . . . . SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:51pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 12:19pm:
Im not here to question her beliefs, but Italians are pretty religious. If she thought giving her house would benefit others and it got her a gold pass to heaven, good for her, she died happy in her decision. If you show me evidence to suggest she was not of sound mind when making the will, I will happily change my tune, but until then, it is still her asset to do as she wished. How would you feel knowing the will you write means nothing and your wishes wont be carried out, and people will do with your assets however they want. You are restricting peoples free will. That my friend is censorship on life and I will never support that. Also, her kids had flats each and were left $20,000 each, the disabled child was her daughters. These are also facts. No one was out on the street. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:00pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:51pm:
That's not the point. The church goes on about compassion and giving to the less fortunate. Where is the giving in this situation ? And what about for the rest of their life ? Where is their super fund when they can't possibly work to earn it ? The church now has it and they could have easily just walked away like it says in their own bible :( And what can the church offer them apart from an old book full of weasel words and a root up the Khyber Pass ?? That won't pay their high cost of supervision and medical bills for the rest of their life :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm
A another thread of accusing forum members of either hiding pedophiles or supporting them. Difference is that this thread has even gone to the extreme of accusing someone of intentionally giving their own kids to a pedophile to be molested.
I would be shocked if anyone on this forum is ever suspended or banned again. I don't think anything gets below the level of nail and bobby as seen in this thread, so how could anyone from now on be banned for less? It basically means any comment no matter how vile is fair game now. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:00pm:
Why does the church have their superfund? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:03pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
the church got their house which would have been equivalent to their super fund :( And what can the church offer them when they have run out of funds ?? Suffering and a gold pass to heaven !! Sorry, I'd rather have the house ;) |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:06pm Quantum wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
support for the catholic church is as good as condoning paedophilia. It's not as though you didn't know what was going on all of this time. There has been plenty of evidence from the victims but you were just in denial. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:06pm Quantum wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:02pm:
When it comes to the church, Bobby and nail will shift the goal posts of their debate guidelines on virtually every post rather than debate the topic at hand. Both yourself and I have supported the calls for a royal commission when the idea was first floated, but that makes be a pedo harbourer and enabler because I dont believe people should have freedom to choose their own religion or bequest to religions of their own free will. Basically they are a pair of fag lovers who will do anything to support each other no matter how outragious they get. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:09pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
You never supported anything like that you liar. You used every subterfuge you could throw into the debate in order to distract away from the central issue which was the church harbouring and cultivating paedophiles whilst subverting the law :( And speaking of fag lovers why don't you call your priest mates fags ?? Isn't that what they are ?? Not one peep out of you on that front. Fricken hypocrite, conservative, money grabbing liberal piece of sh.t you are. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:12pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:03pm:
The house was never theirs to lose my friend. The only entitlement one should expect is from their own hard work. Did you notice the article at all. And to quote Aussie from the original thread - Quote: Mrs Kolandt and her brother, Giacomo Muto, have launched a Supreme Court action against the religious order, claiming their mother did not make "adequate provision" for them in her will. That means there is no attack on the Mother's testamentary capacity, and no suggestion of other nasty stuff. And freediver - The moral is to tell people what they will get before you die so they can come to terms with it and blame you instead of the other beneficiaries. This sort of squabbling can destroy families. Mellie - A persons last will in testament is their final say in this world, and it should be respected unless of course these children feel she was not of sound mind,(and this can be substantiated) this or suspect foul play at the time she made her will. Times are bad when even your last will and testament isn't worth the paper it's written on... if it turns out this old woman was of sound mind, this and made a conscious decision not to leave her home to her children, irrespective of her reasons this has to be respected. She could have left it to the dog-poop federation and my opinion would be the same. Freediver - Who are you to say who the 'rightful' beneficiaries are? This is where all the problems start, when people think they 'deserve' something they didn't earn. It was her money. It is her choice what happens to it. What I am saying is that it is the old woman's choice. None of these people would have had the balls to stand up to her in real life and tell her she is incapable of deciding for herself who to give her money to. Now she is dead they all act like she didn't have a mind of her own. One thing I know for certain is that you have absolutely no clue what went on in this family and what reasons the lady may have. You are just another person out to capitalise on her death by scoring cheap political points against the church. None of you who think you know better have so much as acknowledged the woman's right to choose for herself. and nails justification for it all - Yes they did earn it because they had to put up with their parents BS for a big part of their lives. What did the church do for it ?? Some weasel words, some cheap Safeway wine and a bit of salada biscuit and a fake gold pass to heaven to top it off WHat a joke ! Wow. Delusional much |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:14pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:09pm:
The first thread on this Pansi asked me if I supported a Royal Commission and I answered with one answer - YES. No if's, buts or maybes. A simple yes. Shame you dont understand basic english. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:16pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:06pm:
I am not a catholic. I don't support the catholic church. I have never given them a cent, nor do I have any connection with them whatsoever. If I am guilty because I have done nothing to stop what is going on, then so are you. Coming on a forum and calling anyone who is either Christian or doesn't hate Christianity a pedo supporter is not actually stopping kids from being abused. You have known about pedophilia in the catholic church as much as anyone else (more considering what a self proclaimed expert you are) and what have you done to stop it except for complaining and abusing innocent people on line? Of course all of this has been explained to you. It is clear as day you are just out for a troll, but you a really stretching things with accusing people of supporting pedophiles. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:17pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Oct 12th, 2012 at 10:16am:
Verge wrote on Oct 12th, 2012 at 10:24am:
Here is the direct quote Nail you lying sack of crap |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:21pm
Doesn't get any more direct than that. Checkmate.
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:23pm Quantum wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Check and mate. *Waits for bobby to come in with arms in the air defending his lover* |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:36pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:12pm:
and of course being the offspring with special needs the church has more rights to it than they do !! Look who's being delusional now !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:39pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
after you found out abort said it. Go back a few months and then see what your attitude was. Hypocrite !! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:49pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:39pm:
Quote was on the 12th of October you cocksmoker. Abbott backed it two days ago. Anymore lies you want to put up? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:52pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:36pm:
Wills arent about who is the most needy, its based on who the person thinks is either the most deserving or will do the most with it. Why she didnt pick the kids I have no idea why, but her wishes should always be respected. Notice how the family didnt question her state of mind, only that she hadnt made an adequate provision for them. That astonishes me more |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:53pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 1:51pm:
Verge - you support the Catholic church brainwashing little old ladies to get their inheritance money - just admit it & this can be over. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:55pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:53pm:
Nice try you dirty feltcher but I wont admit it one little bit. Why do you want to censor peoples lives bobby. Why do you want to control peoples freedom of choice just as much as the organisations you condemn. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:57pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:49pm:
two days ago :D LOL try 3 months ago ;) you're just like the dude in a car accident that gets out of the car when nobody is looking and hides amongst the spectators pretending to be an onlooker ;) the mere fact that you supported the fricken greedy and corrupt church taking away desperately needed funds from two needy disabled children leads me to believe that you couldn't give a toss about any other children that have been done over by the same corrupt and greedy church. You can't have it both ways. :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:01pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:55pm:
and where is the churches compassion in a time of need ?? Their compassion is spending money on legal beavers to make sure they get the loot instead of helping disabled kids :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:02pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:57pm:
Abbott supported a royal commission into child sex abuse 3 months ago. Wow, you really are a delusional liar. Throw as much mud as you like mate, its not going to stick because anyone with a grade 3 education can see you are nothing but a decietful little liar. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:04pm Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:01pm:
Who said they are in need? Wasnt a single thing about that in the article. And what the church does I dont really care about, the issue is whether the womans wishes are honoured. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:14pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:55pm:
You can what you like Verge - I don't like people who con the old & vulnerable in our community out of money. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by thelastnail on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:22pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
especially when they have disabled dependents that are completely dependent on the family to help them for the rest of their lives because they certainly can't rely on the churches great miraculous medical cures can they :( |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Quantum on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:33pm
Classic nail and bobby show;
>>> Nail and bobby go on and on about how bad the church is, posting one after another in agreement in their own little conversation. Of course the whole time they are speaking to each other over messenger, making the whole posting conversations on the forum a show for everyone else and therefore a total waste of time and space. >>> They get so worked up, nail starts making false accusations about other members and goes off on a tangent ignoring what the thread is actually about. >>> The next day others come on and see the fake and idiotic accusations nail has been making. These are proven to be false, and nail is shown to be a trolling liar. >>> Nail then changes the topic, looking for any reason to ignore anything that is said and get off as many insults as he can. This is useless and he only makes a fool of himself, so he gets on messenger asking for help. >>> like clockwork, bobby comes in; agrees with everything nail has said and tells everyone else to apologize to nail. Both then masturbate each other thinking no one can see what a couple of bum thumping knob jockeys they are. Yes, this is a typical nail and bobby show. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:33pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:14pm:
When was the will dated mate. You seem to have all the facts in this case. The question is very relevant to your position, so you must know |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by mutation on Nov 13th, 2012 at 6:50pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:31pm:
Its altogether possible he is one or at least living vicariously through his team of child raping priests! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:09pm Quantum wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:33pm:
Quantum, That's just your sexual fantasy. I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual. Nail has never been proven to be false. I have found a few examples where he was slightly wrong & pointed that out. This is however very rare. One thing he doesn't do is support the Catholic Church - like you. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 14th, 2012 at 4:35pm Verge wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 7:51am:
A lot don't get reported so that wheel-chair time comes as a surprise! Many martial arts instructors were abused and put their abusers in permanent disability! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Peter Freedman on Nov 14th, 2012 at 4:56pm
O'Farrell's idea that the church should be legally required to report confessions of child molesting by priests is daft.
Doesn't it occur to him that this would simply result in priests not confessing? |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Deathridesahorse on Nov 14th, 2012 at 5:01pm Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
Any direct quotes, i wonder??? ::) |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Verge on Nov 14th, 2012 at 5:03pm Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
There is a difference between not knowing, and knowing and doing nothing about it. The confession is a difficult topic for me, as the sactinity of it can work one of two ways. Confession lets the Preist try and guide the person to do the right thing, but one of two things happen 1 - People confess, feel better about it but dont listen to the priests advice. or 2 - Or they take their advice and hand themselves in. If taking away that away means less seek the church for help for fear of being dobbed in, does the situation have the potenital to get worse before it gets better. Its a pandora's box. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by mutation on Nov 15th, 2012 at 12:35am Verge wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 5:03pm:
Anybody who does something wrong and thinks telling a priest about it is likely to have the slightest effect on the inherent wrongness of it or that if there was a god that he isnt already aware of it is frankly rather stupid. The Catholic church even by the rather low standards of other religious groups is about the most shameless manmade scam preying of stupid peoples fears of what happens after they die. As far as im concerned a priest that knows of a crime particularly a serious one that is likely to be repeated and does not report it is either an accessory before or after the fact and should be prosecuted! |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by Spot of Borg on Nov 15th, 2012 at 4:31am Peter Freedman wrote on Nov 14th, 2012 at 4:56pm:
Yeah they would prolly stop confessing but they would also lose their absolution. They would go to hell because they didnt confess. If they are true believers that should deter them. SOB |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by pansi1951 on Dec 13th, 2012 at 9:39am So the pope sends his first Twitter message. What did he say? Dear friends, I am pleased to get in touch with you through Twitter. Thank you for your generous response. I bless all of you from my heart. Many were waiting for an apology. |
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Title: Re: One in 20 priests an abuser, inquiry told Post by aquascoot on Dec 13th, 2012 at 9:48am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 13th, 2012 at 9:39am:
taser the bastard ;) ;), the pope and the priesthood will become increasingly marginalised from the church (at least i hope so) just as the political leadership SHOULD become increasingly marginalised from our lives . both groups exist for their own good . they offer little to their constituencies |
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