http://www.borderwatch.com.au/story/364775/ludwig-defends-sheep-exports-in-face-of-slaughter-claims/?cs=8

Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig has defended the live export trade in the face of reports that Australian sheep have been clubbed, stabbed and buried alive during a brutal culling of animals in Pakistan.

As fresh calls are made for the trade to be phased out and banned, Mr Ludwig says the live export trade is an important trade and new animal welfare controls are working.

The Karachi edition of The International News reports a video has emerged showing Australian sheep being killed in a brutal and inhumane way.

The report by M. Waqar Bhatti reads: ''Like a giant mass of wool, bloodied and filthy, they lay in trenches - slit open, stabbed or clubbed to death, while many still wriggled with some life left in them, soon to be buried alive.''

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Ludwig has to go...Gillard must act now and ban all live animal exports from Australia.
If she does not, then she stands condemned!

From Indonesia, to the Middle East, and now Pakistan.

All our poor cattle and sheep...how much longer must they suffer being tortured to death in the Muslim world before they're saved from the horrors they endure on the ships and at their final destinations?

How much longer?

its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling..

the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there??????

I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered.

I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree.

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree.

Why can't the animals be humanely killed here and transported by ship in refridgerated containers? It would also negate the possibility of live animals contracting disease during the long voyages abroad.

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree.

They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country?

SOB

We shouldve banned live animal exports years ago..

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB

They worship it - they don't eat it... I'm fairly sure.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB They worship it - they don't eat it... I'm fairly sure.

Just a heads up hindus worship cows and muslims dont. Not only that but was the torturing cows thing not long ago in indonesia?

SOB

Why can't the animals be humanely killed here and transported by ship in refridgerated containers? It would also negate the possibility of live animals contracting disease during the long voyages abroad.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:48am:

Why can't the animals be humanely killed here and transported by ship in refridgerated containers? It would also negate the possibility of live animals contracting disease during the long voyages abroad.

they would like to kill them themselves... and I guess thats their right if WE want to do business with them then its for us to find an answer to this..

these countries are huge business for us..if we take a do as I say moral high ground I am sure it will come back and bite us.

we did do something about the shipping of these animals  and the last I heard we sere sending a vet on board the ships as well..

not good enough I know but better than it was..

We don't need their business, we don't need Pakistan, Indonesia or the Middle East for anything, we only think we do.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB

you are right it is mostly muslim.. not all though,..its India where they worship the cow.

that really has very little to do with the topic.

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

We don't need their business, we don't need Pakistan, Indonesia or the Middle East for anything, we only think we do.

are you sure???? I guess your not in the meat industry

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB They worship it - they don't eat it... I'm fairly sure.

You knucklehead.  You're thinking of India. Pakistan is a muslim majority country.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB They worship it - they don't eat it... I'm fairly sure.

That's Hindus man.
Muslims belt the sh*t out of them and eat them.

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:28am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB you are right it is mostly muslim.. not all though,..its India where they worship the cow. that really has very little to do with the topic.

You brought it up saying that they were hypocritical torturing sheep and not cows.

SOB

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:28am: We don't need their business, we don't need Pakistan, Indonesia or the Middle East for anything, we only think we do. are you sure???? I guess your not in the meat industry

We could eat the meat, instead of being fed the crap meat we are now in the shops.

The meat farmers could have an Imam bless the live meat here, then we kill the animals here and send them frozen meat.
If they didn't like that tell them they'd be getting nothing.

Indonesia is already buying cattle from Brazil, India et al because of our ban when Indonesia was exposed as torturing our cattle to death...as "Facebook exploded with outrage!" 

We need Indonesia for nothing.
We give them $500m every 52 weeks in aid, and get $300m back in meat trade.
We'd be better off giving our farmers and others in the industry here the $500m, the extra $400m to build Islamic schools in Indonesia 'to stop terrorists' we shovel up there, and the extra billions in special aid, as Indonesia spends it on buying subs and warships etc.

14 yr old girl in Pakistan shot in the head and body because she was campaigning for an education.

Doctor who helped the US, by DNA testing, to establish that bin Laden was indeed bin Laden living in Pakistan [near the military base and no one saw a thing lol]...is being tortured in prison in Pakistan.

Pakistan is a disgrace, and we should boycotting Islamic Pakistan every way we can, including cricket.

that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous SOB

Sliced beef in the major supermarket's deli "Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients".

LOL

Sliced beef!!!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:28am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB you are right it is mostly muslim.. not all though,..its India where they worship the cow. that really has very little to do with the topic. You brought it up saying that they were hypocritical torturing sheep and not cows. SOB

how about we say it was a mistake...you are making a big thing out of it..I said you were right..isnt that enough?

there are Hindus in Pakistan..and whilst they may not worship the cow as such  they do not eat it..no matter how hungry or poor they are..or even how hungry the beast is.

its just a comment thats all.. I like bambu would like to see all animals treated with respect,

I prefer animals to most humans I guess thats why.

We'd buy more lamb here, but it costs too much.

And all the good lamb is being shipped off to terrorist-central Pakistan...probably as cheap as chips over there.

ie; Mumbai terror attacks.

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:29am: bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:28am: We don't need their business, we don't need Pakistan, Indonesia or the Middle East for anything, we only think we do. are you sure???? I guess your not in the meat industry We could eat the meat, instead of being fed the crap meat we are now in the shops. a nice thought The meat farmers could have an Imam bless the live meat here, then we kill the animals here and send them frozen meat. If they didn't like that tell them they'd be getting nothing. you dont understand most of these animals are bred for the overseas market..dont you remember what happened with Indonesia? Indonesia is already buying cattle from Brazil, India et al because of our ban when Indonesia was exposed as torturing our cattle to death...as "Facebook exploded with outrage!"  We need Indonesia for nothing. We give them $500m every 52 weeks in aid, and get $300m back in meat trade. We'd be better off giving our farmers and others in the industry here the $500m, the extra $400m to build Islamic schools in Indonesia 'to stop terrorists' we shovel up there, and the extra billions in special aid, as Indonesia spends it on buying subs and warships etc. 14 yr old girl in pakistan shot in the head and body because she was campaigning for an education. really sad and not a word from our govt?? Doctor who helped the US, by DNA testing, to establish that bin Laden was indeed bin Laden living in Pakistan [near the military base and no one saw a thing lol]...is being tortured in prison in Pakistan. Pakistan is a disgrace, and we should boycotting Islamic Pakistan every way we can, including cricket.

it sounds so easy... go and ask the cattle man or sheep man what he thinks about that idea...

do you not think we have already discussed the slaughter of the animals.here??? of course they have.

these countries wont have it..

we do not only export animals to these countries?? its bigger than that.

we have to bargain for these markets..

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:45am: that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous SOB Sliced beef in the major supermarket's deli "Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". LOL Sliced beef!!!

Yeah imported then "sliced" here . . .  so they can stick australia in the label somewhere @ least.

SOB

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:51am:

We'd buy more lamb here, but it costs too much. And all the good lamb is being shipped off to terrorist-central Pakistan...probably as cheap as chips over there. ie; Mumbai terror attacks.

I agree lamb is a shocking price I cant afford it..b ut we wont get it anymore than we did during the boycott of Indonesia..... they will slaughter and bury the animals..because no one wants to feed them and they wont sell them for bugger all..to Coles or Woollies..we live in a strange world.. millions starving and we bury our fruit and vegies and even our meat when we cant get a good price for it..

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:36am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:28am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:26am: cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. They worship the cow? How can that be when you lot keep saying its a muslim country? SOB you are right it is mostly muslim.. not all though,..its India where they worship the cow. that really has very little to do with the topic. You brought it up saying that they were hypocritical torturing sheep and not cows. SOB how about we say it was a mistake...you are making a big thing out of it..I said you were right..isnt that enough? there are Hindus in Pakistan..and whilst they may not worship the cow as such  they do not eat it..no matter how hungry or poor they are..or even how hungry the beast is. its just a comment thats all.. I like bambu would like to see all animals treated with respect, I prefer animals to most humans I guess thats why.

Well yeah i agree but the thing is that the story was dealt with with the cows and now the media has moved on to greener pastures (so to speak). Its going to take a lot of noise to make them pay attention again (media and government).

SOB

Who eats cows?
I reckon only junk food outlets use cow meat for human consumption

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:45am: that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous SOB Sliced beef in the major supermarket's deli "Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". LOL Sliced beef!!! Yeah imported then "sliced" here . . .  so they can stick australia in the label somewhere @ least. SOB

In the supermarket;

Sliced leg ham..."Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients".
Ham.

I don't eat it...pigs are people.

www.savebabe.com

http://www.savebabe.com/jackie.php

'Jackie O speaks out for pigs'

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 2:33pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:55am: bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:45am: that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous SOB Sliced beef in the major supermarket's deli "Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". LOL Sliced beef!!! Yeah imported then "sliced" here . . .  so they can stick australia in the label somewhere @ least. SOB In the supermarket; Sliced leg ham..."Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". Ham. I don't eat it...pigs are people. www.savebabe.com http://www.savebabe.com/jackie.php 'Jackie O speaks out for pigs'

if you are vegetarian bambu I can understand  you wanting to stop the trade however it isnt that simple..

I like pigs too but I am not vegetarian .

btw I dont like what we do to battery hens either? I splash out on free range eggs but have been told its not all we have been lead to b elieve it is???

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 2:33pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:55am: bambu wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:48am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 9:45am: that is a kinda point. We import crap meat and export the best stuff. Ridiculous SOB Sliced beef in the major supermarket's deli "Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". LOL Sliced beef!!! Yeah imported then "sliced" here . . .  so they can stick australia in the label somewhere @ least. SOB In the supermarket; Sliced leg ham..."Made in Australia from local and imported ingredients". Ham. I don't eat it...pigs are people. www.savebabe.com http://www.savebabe.com/jackie.php 'Jackie O speaks out for pigs' if you are vegetarian bambu I can understand  you wanting to stop the trade however it isnt that simple.. I like pigs too but I am not vegetarian . btw I dont like what we do to battery hens either? I splash out on free range eggs but have been told its not all we have been lead to b elieve it is???

Its not difficult to get organic free range ethically killed meat these days so there's no excuse for anyone to support cruelty to animals.

Hang on
When the beef trade with Indo was suspended for the very reason of cruelty AP and the rest of you guys were up in arms.
She was ruining our export trade, yet now it seems as if you guys want it stopped.
Do you value sheep more than cows??
It seems so.

The live export trade is the equivalent of the slave trade in modern day, they can mouth platitudes of improved practice all they want the fact remains these animals are destined for a cruel extended painful death.
Ban it, to hell with the few 100 or so that profit from it.

If animals must be killed in a certain way for religious reasons, why not employ people of the same faith here in Australia to kill the animals humanely and in accordance with their religious beliefs and then send the bodies abroad in refridgerated containers aboard ships? Everyone wins then. If we can transport LPG by tanker over the ocean, it shouldn't be too hard to transport refridgerated livestock I'd think?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

If animals must be killed in a certain way for religious reasons, why not employ people of the same faith here in Australia to kill the animals humanely and in accordance with their religious beliefs and then send the bodies abroad in refridgerated containers aboard ships? Everyone wins then. If we can transport LPG by tanker over the ocean, it shouldn't be too hard to transport refridgerated livestock I'd think?

If you actually read the quaran it states the animal must be in a quite environment and not see the blade.
The cut must sever the the two arteries in the neck and the windpipe.
It must be treated with respect bordering on reverence.
None of this goes on in any of the countries we export to apparently on the basis of religious belief.
YouTube Egyptian slaughter house, rewatch the Indonesian footage and the Pakistan debacle.

It's about money mate nothing else.
Again hypocrisy thy name is liberal

Belated or not its good to see you advocating decency with this, lets hope it continues if trade is once again suspended.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Hang on When the beef trade with Indo was suspended for the very reason of cruelty AP and the rest of you guys were up in arms. She was ruining our export trade, yet now it seems as if you guys want it stopped. Do you value sheep more than cows?? It seems so. The live export trade is the equivalent of the slave trade in modern day, they can mouth platitudes of improved practice all they want the fact remains these animals are destined for a cruel extended painful death. Ban it, to hell with the few 100 or so that profit from it.

It should be suspended again but good luck getting ppl riled up a second time. The story ran its course (as dictated by the media). Perhaps the government will do something but I doubt it. They only did something last time because it was a big thing in the news.

SOB

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 11:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 10:15pm: If animals must be killed in a certain way for religious reasons, why not employ people of the same faith here in Australia to kill the animals humanely and in accordance with their religious beliefs and then send the bodies abroad in refridgerated containers aboard ships? Everyone wins then. If we can transport LPG by tanker over the ocean, it shouldn't be too hard to transport refridgerated livestock I'd think? If you actually read the quaran it states the animal must be in a quite environment and not see the blade. The cut must sever the the two arteries in the neck and the windpipe. It must be treated with respect bordering on reverence. None of this goes on in any of the countries we export to apparently on the basis of religious belief. YouTube Egyptian slaughter house, rewatch the Indonesian footage and the Pakistan debacle. It's about money mate nothing else. Again hypocrisy thy name is liberal Belated or not its good to see you advocating decency with this, lets hope it continues if trade is once again suspended.

I've always been for decency - for the animals AND farmers. I'd like to see an end to the live export trade, but not at the expense of people's jobs if possible. Surely there is a way to end live export AND meet the religious obligations of this country's clients abroad.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 14^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 11:39pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 10:15pm: If animals must be killed in a certain way for religious reasons, why not employ people of the same faith here in Australia to kill the animals humanely and in accordance with their religious beliefs and then send the bodies abroad in refridgerated containers aboard ships? Everyone wins then. If we can transport LPG by tanker over the ocean, it shouldn't be too hard to transport refridgerated livestock I'd think? If you actually read the quaran it states the animal must be in a quite environment and not see the blade. The cut must sever the the two arteries in the neck and the windpipe. It must be treated with respect bordering on reverence. None of this goes on in any of the countries we export to apparently on the basis of religious belief. YouTube Egyptian slaughter house, rewatch the Indonesian footage and the Pakistan debacle. It's about money mate nothing else. Again hypocrisy thy name is liberal Belated or not its good to see you advocating decency with this, lets hope it continues if trade is once again suspended. I've always been for decency - for the animals AND farmers. I'd like to see an end to the live export trade, but not at the expense of people's jobs if possible. Surely there is a way to end live export AND meet the religious obligations of this country's clients abroad.

It has nothing to do with religion.

SOB

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Hang on When the beef trade with Indo was suspended for the very reason of cruelty AP and the rest of you guys were up in arms. She was ruining our export trade, yet now it seems as if you guys want it stopped. Do you value sheep more than cows?? It seems so. The live export trade is the equivalent of the slave trade in modern day, they can mouth platitudes of improved practice all they want the fact remains these animals are destined for a cruel extended painful death. Ban it, to hell with the few 100 or so that profit from it.

Amen.

I wanted her to make the ban permanent.

This story is going to be on ABC 4 Corners program tonite.

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/201211/s3625704.htm

Sarah Ferguson journalist reporting.

Time to stop all live exports of our sheep and cattle.

Time to cross Pakistan off our Christmas card list, cut it loose, never play cricket with it again, and punish it.

That's Pakis for ya.

They have no right to sell lamb cheaper over seas than for domestic consumption...meat export should be reduced to increase supply in the domestic market and reduce prices... :) :) :)

Well I hadnt really thought about it much before but why do we export live animals anyway? Wouldn't it be cheaper and more productive to kill them first then export frozen meat? This must be the reason so many abattoirs are closing around the country.

SOB

Sign the petition to prosecute the company responsible and for the government to stop live export.

http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/end-live-exports?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTEwMjc=

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:11am:

Sign the petition to prosecute the company responsible and for the government to stop live export. http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/end-live-exports?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTEwMjc=

Signed . . . . not real happy about giving them my mobile number though

SOB

I wouldn't vote for a party that kills ( aids and abets) millions of innocent people every year, let alone allows the torture of animals.
................................................................

The Greens have a bill in both houses of Parliament, and an open invitation to Labor and the Coalition to get it passed. Greens Senator and animal welfare spokesperson Lee Rhiannon has been working hard to build support and keep the pressure up. Can you help by taking the animal exports pledge?


http://greensmps.org.au/content/pledge-your-support-today

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:46am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:11am: Sign the petition to prosecute the company responsible and for the government to stop live export. http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/end-live-exports?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTEwMjc= Signed . . . . not real happy about giving them my mobile number though SOB

Thanks spot, every signature helps. I just give a false number, if they want to contact you they can do it via email. I never give my phone number or address out on the internet.

cods wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:12am:

its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree.

It is the Indians who worship cows, not the Pakistanis.

We are taught not to be racists.

Well, it's hard to look up to a people who allow brutal  behaviour to dumb animals. Don't they have anyone in that country to control this practice?

Anyway, for what reason would they behave like this? A sort of sport?

Political correctness has gone too far--

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:46am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:11am: Sign the petition to prosecute the company responsible and for the government to stop live export. http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/end-live-exports?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTEwMjc= Signed . . . . not real happy about giving them my mobile number though SOB Thanks spot, every signature helps. I just give a false number, if they want to contact you they can do it via email. I never give my phone number or address out on the internet.

Heh i did that im just wondering why they want it though

SOB

olde.sault wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

cods wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 8:12am: its so barbaric. what surprises me is they worship the cow how can that be when other animals are treated so appalling.. the govt did stop the live animals to Indonesia and look what happened there?????? I think we need to send our own vets or whatever to these countries and show them how it should be done..they usually employ the lowest of workers because they wont pay decent money...so why should they care.. its a catch 22 we need their business but we also need to be in charge when they arrive and until they are slaughtered. I cant bear to think of what happens to them..we cant just keep turning a blind eye I agree. It is the Indians who worship cows, not the Pakistanis. We are taught not to be racists. Well, it's hard to look up to a people who allow brutal  behaviour to dumb animals. Don't they have anyone in that country to control this practice? Anyway, for what reason would they behave like this? A sort of sport? Political correctness has gone too far--

Political correctness? What has Pc got to do with it?

SOB

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

Hang on When the beef trade with Indo was suspended for the very reason of cruelty AP and the rest of you guys were up in arms. She was ruining our export trade, yet now it seems as if you guys want it stopped. Do you value sheep more than cows?? It seems so. The live export trade is the equivalent of the slave trade in modern day, they can mouth platitudes of improved practice all they want the fact remains these animals are destined for a cruel extended painful death. Ban it, to hell with the few 100 or so that profit from it.

it doesn't matter what they do., they will cry about it ... they don't know how to look at an issue without their political glasses on ... brainwashed fools

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:00am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:46am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:11am: Sign the petition to prosecute the company responsible and for the government to stop live export. http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/animals/end-live-exports?t=dXNlcmlkPTcwODc0MyxlbWFpbGlkPTEwMjc= Signed . . . . not real happy about giving them my mobile number though SOB Thanks spot, every signature helps. I just give a false number, if they want to contact you they can do it via email. I never give my phone number or address out on the internet. Heh i did that im just wondering why they want it though SOB

so they can call you to ask for donations down the track ....

sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ...

You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely.

All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped.

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ...

Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it.

The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight.

Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd.

But you still love kicking obese people in the head right Adolf...there is always someone you can hate, blame and kill for being the messenger you don't want to hear... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

But you still love kicking obese people in the head right Adolf...there is always someone you can hate, blame and kill for being the messenger you don't want to hear... :) :)

Only you fatboy & only because you choose to wear your disability as a badge of honour, claim as much as you can, & scam where possible.

Have you claimed to be aboriginal yet?

Instead of being grateful for what you are given you demand more.

You are a wart on the arse of society :D

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped.

All live exports to all countries must be stopped

adelcrow wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped

No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet
would treat animals like that.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet would treat animals like that.

Just ban the whole sorry practice and slaughter the animals here where the whole industry can be monitored

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet would treat animals like that.

To me, how they're killed is trivial compared to the conditions they are kept in during ttransit.  After spending a month unable to turn around, with their snout buried in another sheeps crappy areshole, they'd probably welcome death.

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:25pm: adelcrow wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet would treat animals like that. To me, how they're killed is trivial compared to the conditions they are kept in during ttransit.  After spending a month unable to turn around, with their snout buried in another sheeps crappy areshole, they'd probably welcome death.

I'd agree
Death is probably a relief

Still the horror & fear of watching whats is happening to others & knowing your next plus the actual pain of substandard blades & cuts is a terrible thing to endure for that relief.

adelcrow wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:25pm: adelcrow wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet would treat animals like that. Just ban the whole sorry practice and slaughter the animals here where the whole industry can be monitored

Until all killing rooms have CCTV that's on 24 hours & monitored by an independent body with records kept for up to 3 years stuff will continue to happen as we saw on the Central Coast only this year.

I do have some sympathy for those that do this work, it must be soul destroying.

We are happy to be filmed walking the streets & in other employment places, what has the industry got to hide?

But with everything it's us that is to blame, we want cheap meat, cheap vegies & cheap sh!t period.

Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change.

Same with our manufacturing until we buy the $600 Australian made whatever instead of the $400 Chinese version jobs continue to walk out the door no matter what party is in power.

So don't blame Gillard or Abbott, BLAME YOURSELF :(

Ive been in enough slaughterhouses through my work to have forced me eat only free range ethically produced animal products these days.
Even most animals killed in this country go through an horrendous ordeal before they are finally put out of their misery and there are much better ways than the production line method used by our large slaughterhouses.
But banning all live animal exports is a start

bambu wrote on Oct 13^th, 2012 at 7:05am:

http://www.borderwatch.com.au/story/364775/ludwig-defends-sheep-exports-in-face-of-slaughter-claims/?cs=8 Agriculture Minister Joe Ludwig has defended the live export trade in the face of reports that Australian sheep have been clubbed, stabbed and buried alive during a brutal culling of animals in Pakistan. As fresh calls are made for the trade to be phased out and banned, Mr Ludwig says the live export trade is an important trade and new animal welfare controls are working. The Karachi edition of The International News reports a video has emerged showing Australian sheep being killed in a brutal and inhumane way. The report by M. Waqar Bhatti reads: ''Like a giant mass of wool, bloodied and filthy, they lay in trenches - slit open, stabbed or clubbed to death, while many still wriggled with some life left in them, soon to be buried alive.'' ##### Ludwig has to go...Gillard must act now and ban all live animal exports from Australia. If she does not, then she stands condemned! From Indonesia, to the Middle East, and now Pakistan. All our poor cattle and sheep...how much longer must they suffer being tortured to death in the Muslim world before they're saved from the horrors they endure on the ships and at their final destinations? How much longer?

These pakis don't care and they are proud of not caring! Ask any of them and they will not deny their cultural attitude: for it is the same as ours!

We pretend to care... just like everyone else!!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd.

OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu.

courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money

It's about the horrific cruelty inflicted on our sheep by Pakistan, the govt of Pakistan involved.

I'm with 'Aussie sheep farmer Bob' from WA who was interviewed on 2GB this morning...he said, para;

"We should stop all aid to Pakistan...and we should boycott playing cricket with them too".

The callers detailed all the alleged atrocities inflicted on women and girls in Pakistan who look at men if they're not married etc.
"Why is anyone surprised they treated our sheep like that when they treat humans like that in some parts of Pakistan? ... international cricket is not played there for fear of terrorist attacks" one caller said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/pakistani-sheep-cull-disgusting-ludwig/story-fnejo58q-1226511431902

Pakistani sheep cull extremely distressing, says National Farmers Federation

FARMERS have branded a cull of sheep of 21,000 Australian sheep by Pakistani authorities "extremely distressing", but say banning the live export trade would erode animal welfare standards worldwide.

#####

What a load of hogwash.
If we're not exporting our animals then no one can possibly torture them to death.
If all countries do the same, then that eliminates a massive amount of animal welfare abuse immediately.

Solution to the problem;

Give all the billions in foreign aid we donate to Pakistan, Indonesia etc straight to our farmers, eliminating the middle man and the animal cruelty.

bASICALLY i don't care if no one cares about me not caring!

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money

You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form.
Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve.
There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up

I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash.
Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it?
It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats.

We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution.

But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis.


Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form. Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve. There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash. Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it? It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats. We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution. But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis. Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change.

I am well aware of the atrocities faced by slaves ... but don't compare slaves to humans ... you can try and justify your comparison all you want ... the two aren't even remotely similar .. next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel .... 


don't get me wrong, I'm all for humane treatment ... I just don't kid myself into thinking that banning live exports will stop sheep being inhumanely treated. like I said before, you may save 20 000 Aussie sheep from a painful death, but you just executed 20 000 from other parts of the world .. the pakis want sheep, not necessarily Aussie sheep .. and yes, I'ts always about money ....

Yes the Italians like the slaves John?  ;)

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:51pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:40pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form. Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve. There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash. Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it? It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats. We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution. But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis. Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change. I am well aware of the atrocities faced by slaves ... but don't compare slaves to humans ... you can try and justify your comparison all you want ... the two aren't even remotely similar .. next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel ....  don't get me wrong, I'm all for humane treatment ... I just don't kid myself into thinking that banning live exports will stop sheep being inhumanely treated. like I said before, you may save 20 000 Aussie sheep from a painful death, but you just executed 20 000 from other parts of the world .. the pakis want sheep, not necessarily Aussie sheep .. and yes, I'ts always about money ....

It seems your subconscious knows the truth even if your conscious thought tries to deny it.

I assume you meant slaves(humans) to animals, this harks back to the religious dogma that our species is somehow above the rest.
Fine, I myself don't believe that there is a God and therefore we are just the most successful lifeform at this point in time.


Quote:

next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel ....

Comparing sentient beings to inanimate objects is getting a little rash ;)

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 7:53pm:

Yes the Italians like the slaves John?  ;)

Avram, I was wondering where you were .... my toilet needs cleaning, hop to it ...

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:31pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:40pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form. Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve. There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash. Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it? It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats. We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution. But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis. Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change. I am well aware of the atrocities faced by slaves ... but don't compare slaves to humans ... you can try and justify your comparison all you want ... the two aren't even remotely similar .. next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel ....  don't get me wrong, I'm all for humane treatment ... I just don't kid myself into thinking that banning live exports will stop sheep being inhumanely treated. like I said before, you may save 20 000 Aussie sheep from a painful death, but you just executed 20 000 from other parts of the world .. the pakis want sheep, not necessarily Aussie sheep .. and yes, I'ts always about money .... It seems your subconscious knows the truth even if your conscious thought tries to deny it. I assume you meant slaves(humans) to animals, this harks back to the religious dogma that our species is somehow above the rest. Fine, I myself don't believe that there is a God and therefore we are just the most successful lifeform at this point in time.

opps, sorry .. yes I meant slaves to animals ...

and don't bring religion into it .. you don't want to know my thoughts on religion, suffice it to say I don't disagree with your views on it. Lots of clutching at straws tonight smithy ... it's not like you.

It is because we are the most successful life form that I am saying Australia banning life sheep export won't achieve anything .. we didn't get to be number one on the food chain by being compassionate ... we are the most violent and vicious life form ever .. that's why we are the most successful ..

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:42pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 8:31pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:40pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form. Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve. There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash. Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it? It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats. We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution. But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis. Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change. I am well aware of the atrocities faced by slaves ... but don't compare slaves to humans ... you can try and justify your comparison all you want ... the two aren't even remotely similar .. next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel ....  don't get me wrong, I'm all for humane treatment ... I just don't kid myself into thinking that banning live exports will stop sheep being inhumanely treated. like I said before, you may save 20 000 Aussie sheep from a painful death, but you just executed 20 000 from other parts of the world .. the pakis want sheep, not necessarily Aussie sheep .. and yes, I'ts always about money .... It seems your subconscious knows the truth even if your conscious thought tries to deny it. I assume you meant slaves(humans) to animals, this harks back to the religious dogma that our species is somehow above the rest. Fine, I myself don't believe that there is a God and therefore we are just the most successful lifeform at this point in time. opps, sorry .. yes I meant slaves to animals ... and don't bring religion into it .. you don't want to know my thoughts on religion, suffice it to say I don't disagree with your views on it. Lots of clutching at straws tonight smithy ... it's not like you. It is because we are the most successful life form that I am saying Australia banning life sheep export won't achieve anything .. we didn't get to be number one on the food chain by being compassionate ... we are the most violent and vicious life form ever .. that's why we are the most successful ..

We didn't remain the most successful by staying at our most savage either.
Our society has evolved and continues to by suppressing these basic instincts of violence and replacing them with reason, otherwise we'd still be tribes with the games of the roman circus.
My point about market forces is valid and a way to force these still backward societies to progress to the modern world.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 8:42pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 8:31pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:51pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 7:40pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm: sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ... Yeah that's the growers & exporters line John & it's disappointing to see you swallowing it. The fact is the 1st countries to ban slavery, child Labor & the plethora other disgusting practices we used to find normal didn't achieve abolishment of said practices overnight. Taking a stand for what's right takes courage & sometimes costs money, from above you lack the 1st & worship the 2nd. OHH Please.... not what I expected from you smithy ... it's nothing like slavery and to try and compare the two is laugable, a pathetic attempt to play to peoples emotions .... unless of course you eat slaves? .... I'm pragmatic and accept that we eat animals .. you can pretend your steak prefers you to eat it rather than a paki if that makes you feel better..but I'm betting the animals would rather you ate toffu. courage, well, thats for others to decide but as for worshiping money hahaha, not in this life time. .. I see money as a way to help me live, not a reason to live .. as long as i have enough to pay my bills, I couldn't care less .. I've walked away from more than my share of money You seem to be under the impression slaves were respected in some way or form. Slaves were tools with voices no higher in regard than these animals, you couldn't feed or sell one you killed it or let it starve. There are reports of bosses docking pay of workers when children who's job it was to collect scraps of cotton from under the looms were shreeded by them for lost production whilst the mess was cleaned up I am under no illusion where my meat comes from, however I do like to think it received the best death possible, i.e unconcious before the killing slash. Have you watched the british show kill it cook it eat it? It showed the process how it should be done on cows, pigs, sheep, goats. We stop exporting these animals and the reduction in supply will force these countries to change their ways through market forces, less supply, more cost, angry lower/middle classes = political turmoil, not that the Pakis/Arabs don't have this on a regular basis but this just adds another spark, something I'm sure they won't want with such a easy solution. But anyhoo as the post under the one you quoted says its about money, nothing else and we are as much to blame as the Pakis. Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:51pm: Until 90% of us choose the $30p/kg free range beef/bacon/lamb over the $15 factory farmed sausage meat nothing will change. I am well aware of the atrocities faced by slaves ... but don't compare slaves to humans ... you can try and justify your comparison all you want ... the two aren't even remotely similar .. next you'll be telling me that people have no respect for old furniture and smashing it with a hammer to get it to fit in the bin is cruel ....  don't get me wrong, I'm all for humane treatment ... I just don't kid myself into thinking that banning live exports will stop sheep being inhumanely treated. like I said before, you may save 20 000 Aussie sheep from a painful death, but you just executed 20 000 from other parts of the world .. the pakis want sheep, not necessarily Aussie sheep .. and yes, I'ts always about money .... It seems your subconscious knows the truth even if your conscious thought tries to deny it. I assume you meant slaves(humans) to animals, this harks back to the religious dogma that our species is somehow above the rest. Fine, I myself don't believe that there is a God and therefore we are just the most successful lifeform at this point in time. opps, sorry .. yes I meant slaves to animals ... and don't bring religion into it .. you don't want to know my thoughts on religion, suffice it to say I don't disagree with your views on it. Lots of clutching at straws tonight smithy ... it's not like you. It is because we are the most successful life form that I am saying Australia banning life sheep export won't achieve anything .. we didn't get to be number one on the food chain by being compassionate ... we are the most violent and vicious life form ever .. that's why we are the most successful .. We didn't remain the most successful by staying at our most savage either. Our society has evolved and continues to by suppressing these basic instincts of violence and replacing them with reason, otherwise we'd still be tribes with the games of the roman circus. My point about market forces is valid and a way to force these still backward societies to progress to the modern world.

I don't see it happening in the current global climate ... people are strggling O'seas and will sell their mothers if they thought someone would pay cash, nevermind the sheep

John Smith wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

sheep get killed all the time ... not always humanely ... if they don't do it to sheep we supply, they'll do it to sheep from a myriad of other places that will supply them ... trying to do anything will not stop a single sheep from being killed inhumanely, it means different sheep will cop it ...

Yeah. Theres no way to "humanely kill" anything anyway. the reason i signed it is because i dont think we should be sending animals across the ocean alive. Kill them here where our workers have jobs. This is obviously the reason abattoirs are closing and causing whole towns to die.

SOB

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 3:19pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:55pm: You can't trust Mussies to treat animals humanely. All live exports to Muslim nations must be stopped. All live exports to all countries must be stopped No - only Muslims - the most primitive people on our planet would treat animals like that.

Nope. Its not because they are muslim. There are plenty of muslims that wouldn't do that. Its because they are in a non-PC country. Not because of their religion. AND there are plenty of non-muslims that would treat animals that way.

SOB

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

bASICALLY i don't care if no one cares about me not caring!

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