Barely noticeable among the normal fluctuations (seasonal use differences, number of people in the house etc) of the yearly bill cycle. The last test of the dreaded Carbon tax Apocalypse, the point where the doom was to finally be brought home has fizzled out again. No wonder the people are turning against Abbott; the boy who cried wolf..

And the Reserve Bank agrees, the carbon tax has had ZERO infaltionary effect on the economy!


Quote:

The federal government says the minutes of the latest Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) board meeting have exposed Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's deceptive scare campaign against Labor's carbon tax. The RBA on Tuesday released the minutes from its September 4 board meeting on monetary policy. "The introduction of the carbon price had not yet had a significant effect on downstream price pressures," the minutes state. "There was no evidence the carbon price had raised medium-term inflation expectations." Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said the minutes proved the opposition leader had been trying to mislead the public. "Mr Abbott said the carbon price would lead to 'unimaginable' increases in the cost of living, but now the carbon price is in the RBA says there is no evidence of any significant inflationary impact," Mr Combet told AAP in a statement. "Mr Abbott has no credible policy to tackle climate change and has been exposed for running a destructive and deceptive scare campaign." The climate change minister insisted Labor was taking economically responsible action to tackle climate change. Householders were being looked after with tax cuts, pension increases and higher family benefits, Mr Combet said. Labor made further gains on the coalition in two opinion polls out this week as anger over the carbon tax waned and Liberal state budget cuts have rebound on Mr Abbott. This material is subject to copyright and any unauthorised use, copying or mirroring is prohibited. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/rba-confirms-abbott-wrong-on-tax-combet-20120918-264dy.html?skin=text-only

Why doesn't the content of the post ever match the heading of the post with you people?

Exactly. These leftards are dumb, Bigol64. How can they not notice the phenomenal rise in their bills?

And it's not just electricity bills, it's everything. I heard on Alan that prices are going to rise 180% - across the board.

It's clear: The economy just can't sustain the carbon tax. Mr Abbott will have to try to do something about it.

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 21^st, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Why doesn't the content of the post ever match the heading of the post with you people?

The heading is about his electricity bill. The post is about his electricity bill. Seems a pretty close match to me. Should there have been more? Less?

Gist wrote on Sep 21^st, 2012 at 5:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 21st, 2012 at 3:04pm: Why doesn't the content of the post ever match the heading of the post with you people? The heading is about his electricity bill. The post is about his electricity bill. Seems a pretty close match to me. Should there have been more? Less?

Big Ol64 thought is was about HIS electricity bill  :D

My first electricity bill post carbon tax was way down on last years for the same period. I'm sure it was misread, but I'm not complaining.

Bigole's prossie could be called leccy.

Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 6:22am:

Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB

Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 6:35am:

[quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB

Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote]


I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section..


I dont expect my first bill until Oct.glad it isnt impacting on everyone though.just the same..Swan will probably want his compensation back...

how could all those experts get it so wrong though???

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 6:53am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:35am: [quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote] I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section.. I dont expect my first bill until Oct.glad it isnt impacting on everyone though.just the same..Swan will probably want his compensation back... how could all those experts get it so wrong though???

I know cods, and pumpkin $4 a kilo, frekkin pumpkin, throw some seeds in the ground and they'll grow like weeds.

It's inflation and the prices will keep going up and up. The rising cost of living. I don't actually see many people buying those expensive veges though, they must be learning to live without them. We're lucky in that we have a wide range so we can still get some cheap fruit and veges, even if they're not our preferred variety.

'Unfair' power price rises under review

Date
    September 22, 2012


MANY households are being overcharged for electricity, the consumer watchdog suspects.     :(

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is investigating the legality of contracts some households have signed with their power supplier.

It wants to know whether consumers are enduring unjustified price rises.

Under contracts many households have signed, there is a clause allowing the company to raise prices whenever it wishes.     :(


Sometimes price rises may be justified but the ACCC has received a rising number of complaints about unjustified rises.

''We are investigating the issue,'' its chairman, Rod Sims, said. ''We will take note of how companies are passing through higher costs.''

Referring to the need to pass on changes in network charges - which rise as part of a regular government review, and which are automatically passed on to all customers - Mr Sims said: ''We have no problem with contracts allowing retailers to vary their price.

''There are some contracts which give the right to increase prices for any reason. We are looking to see if this can be an 'unfair contract' which is not allowed under the law.     :o

''Much depends on how this clause is used. If it is used to recoup the original discounted offer, we would be concerned. It has been brought to our attention, with a number of complaints.''

As part of the investigation, the watchdog is also looking at the lack of transparency with some price rises.

With more and more families on individual contracts, they often have no way of knowing whether a decision by their electricity company to raise charges midway through a contract is valid or not.     :(

This could result in electricity companies having to advertise planned price rises.

For the consumer group Choice, the way households have become locked into electricity contracts with their supplier free to raise prices is similar to banks blocking customers on variable mortgages from moving to cheaper lenders, which has now been banned.

''How meaningful is the contract if the retailer has the discretion to raise prices at any time?'' Matt Levey from Choice said.

''You sign up to get 10 per cent off, yet they can raise the prices at any time - and charge you a fee if you move.''     :(

Electricity companies point to the record number of households changing supplier as proof of increasing competition.

''Switching doesn't necessarily have positive outcomes for consumers,'' Mr Levey said. Following recent steep power price rises, Choice has launched a campaign, Take the Power Back, urging consumers to write to their state and federal energy minister seeking reform.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/unfair-power-price-rises-under-review-20120921-26c59.html#ixzz278mTE0df

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:04am:

cods wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:53am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:35am: [quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote] I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section.. I dont expect my first bill until Oct.glad it isnt impacting on everyone though.just the same..Swan will probably want his compensation back... how could all those experts get it so wrong though??? I know cods, and pumpkin $4 a kilo, frekkin pumpkin, throw some seeds in the ground and they'll grow like weeds. It's inflation and the prices will keep going up and up. The rising cost of living. I don't actually see many people buying those expensive veges though, they must be learning to live without them. We're lucky in that we have a wide range so we can still get some cheap fruit and veges, even if they're not our preferred variety.

pansi they keep telling us it isnt inflation.. look at the interest rate??...this is what I mean pumpkin.. used to be a weed..almost.
I dont even look to be honest.. too depressing.lucky me I guess I am only one.. but what do the families do .. they have little choice.. I have noticed even Aldi isnt CHEAP any more..which is where I used to buy fruit and veg..I wanted brussel sprout last week $9. they had about half a dozen in the bin..as you say no ones buying.... I was always a fresh is best person..but that long gone..I havent the back for growing. and never had any success anyway..


and we dont have the roadside stalls like we once did.

We might have to go frozen with the veges cods. I've heard that NZ get the veg from China then package them, so country of origin could be wrong, not sure. I'm over trying to find out where foodstuffs originate. I haven't got food poisoning yet, so I'm not all that worried now.

Aldi are still cheapest supermarket in town, far cheaper than the big two. They've had 250g punnets of strawberries, big dark red, delicious strawbs for $1 for weeks now. The next cheapest I have seen was $1.50, that doesn't look like much, but it's a 50% mark up.

Remember when we could eat the cheapest mince meat? now it's only fit for animal food. You'd have to cook it for a week to get the fat out before it could be used for human consumption.

As for fruit and vegies what we dont grow ourselves we buy from the organic markets..Its been many years since we've bought fruit and veg from a supermarket
As for meat there is an organic ethical butcher on Magill Rd not far from Chris Pynes office thats well worth a look.

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:04am: cods wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:53am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:35am: [quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote] I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section.. I dont expect my first bill until Oct.glad it isnt impacting on everyone though.just the same..Swan will probably want his compensation back... how could all those experts get it so wrong though??? I know cods, and pumpkin $4 a kilo, frekkin pumpkin, throw some seeds in the ground and they'll grow like weeds. It's inflation and the prices will keep going up and up. The rising cost of living. I don't actually see many people buying those expensive veges though, they must be learning to live without them. We're lucky in that we have a wide range so we can still get some cheap fruit and veges, even if they're not our preferred variety. pansi they keep telling us it isnt inflation.. look at the interest rate??...this is what I mean pumpkin.. used to be a weed..almost. I dont even look to be honest.. too depressing.lucky me I guess I am only one.. but what do the families do .. they have little choice.. I have noticed even Aldi isnt CHEAP any more..which is where I used to buy fruit and veg..I wanted brussel sprout last week $9. they had about half a dozen in the bin..as you say no ones buying.... I was always a fresh is best person..but that long gone..I havent the back for growing. and never had any success anyway.. and we dont have the roadside stalls like we once did.

Who, exactly, is telling you it isnt inflation?

SOB

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 6:53am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:35am: [quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote] I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section..

FOOD AND NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES GROUP (+0.6%)

The food and non-alcoholic beverages group rose in the June quarter 2012. The main contributors to the rise were vegetables (+5.2%), fruit (+3.8%), snacks and confectionery (+3.2%) and take away and fast foods (+1.0%). The rise in vegetable and fruit prices was mainly due to cooler weather conditions with rain and flooding affecting crops in the eastern states. This rise was partially offset by falls in cakes and biscuits (-2.8%), bread (-3.1%) and other food products n.e.c. (-2.6%).

Over the twelve months to the June quarter 2012, the food and non-alcoholic beverages group fell 3.2%


http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/6401.0Main%20Features4Jun%202012?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=6401.0&issue=Jun%202012&num=&view=


The SMART shopper ONLY buys fruit & veg in season

"Spuds" at fifty cents a kilo - can't be beaten

The SMART shopper ONLY buys meat when it is marked down between 25 to 40% - and then takes the WHOLE LOT home to put in the freezer

Buy smaller amounts of good quality food instead of large quantities of junk and you'll be healthier, wealthier and much wiser  :)

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 9:26am:

As for fruit and vegies what we dont grow ourselves we buy from the organic markets..Its been many years since we've bought fruit and veg from a supermarket As for meat there is an organic ethical butcher on Magill Rd not far from Chris Pynes office thats well worth a look.

sounds wonderful and lucky you.. that has all gone by the wayside on this side of the continent..we have whats called markets in ACT but in fact they are just shops.. and in most cases their fruit and veggies are dearer than anywhere else..why would you bother? but people still do thinking is fresher than anywhere else... ha,ha..

organic again costs the earth here..sad really because its the only thing that has any flavor as far as I am concerned..however as I say I dont even look...its too depressing..

as pansi says half the frozen doesnt come from where they claim it does.. dont know about anyone else but the thought of veggies being grown in sewage farms.. is a proper turn off for me..and thats where they grow in China..

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:26am:

Buy smaller amounts of good quality food instead of large quantities of junk and you'll be healthier, wealthier and much wiser  :)

you wish.. junk food is about the cheapest buys..

happy meals here I come... :D :D :D

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:32am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 11:26am: Buy smaller amounts of good quality food instead of large quantities of junk and you'll be healthier, wealthier and much wiser  :) you wish.. junk food is about the cheapest buys.. happy meals here I come... :D :D :D

Don't do it cods, fast food has no food value, it's full of trans fats, it will shorten your life. It's ok for an occasional treat???? but don't make a habit of it.

Buy a loaf of grain bread, vegemite and a block of cheese, that's lunch for a week and much better for you and probably cheaper than seven happy meals.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 11:26am:

Buy smaller amounts of good quality food instead of large quantities of junk and you'll be healthier, wealthier and much wiser  :)

... but this NEVER occurs to DIM-WITTED WHINGERS

I do a mental costing of each meal as I am cooking
It usually comes out at around $2 for a gourmet grade, "all you can eat" sized serve

( ... the same serve of junk food is THREE to FOUR TIMES the cost)








Quote:

Over the twelve months to the June quarter 2012, the food and non-alcoholic beverages group fell 3.2%.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/6401.0Main%20Features4Jun%202012?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=6401.0&issue=Jun%202012&num=&view=

I know Cods struggles with basic comprehension sometimes but I thought this had been explained to her several times .... tomatoes are a summer fruit ... it is not summer therefore the only fresh tomatoes are those that have been in deep freeze (not very fresh) or those grown in green houses (limited) ... hence prices go UPPPPP .... wait a few more months ...

John Smith wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 1:33pm:

I know Cods struggles with basic comprehension sometimes but I thought this had been explained to her several times .... tomatoes are a summer fruit ... it is not summer therefore the only fresh tomatoes are those that have been in deep freeze (not very fresh) or those grown in green houses (limited) ... hence prices go UPPPPP .... wait a few more months ...

Don't be silly, John Smith. Clearly there is one thing and one thing only that can cause price inflation; the dreaded CARBON TAX!

My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter.

That's not expensive I suppose.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 1:51pm:

My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose.

Well apparently the electricity bills are going up anyway because of the greedy electricity companies not because of the carbon tax.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 1:51pm:

My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose.

Compared to how much for the same quarter last year? I'm guessing no less than $640. I'm sure an extra $0.75 out of the daily budget is really breaking the proverbial camels back for your poor tenants, huh?  ::)

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. Compared to how much for the same quarter last year? I'm guessing no less than $640. I'm sure an extra $0.75 out of the daily budget is really breaking the proverbial camels back for your poor tenants, huh?  ::)

$710 for one quarter of gas.
That's alright is it?

Guess how much compensation they get to help pay the bills?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

$710 for one quarter of gas. That's alright is it?

No, it's absurd. Either you're telling porkies or your tenants need to learn how to better manage their gas consumption. Either way, the issue isn't the total amount but rather the difference for what they would have paid for the same gas during the same quarter in the previous year. The fact of the matter is that, at most, the carbon tax might have added $70 or so to their quarterly bill (probably much less seeing as we're talking about gas rather than electricity). And if they are people who are earning enough to not warrant compensation (as I'm assuming that's what you are insinuating with your following post) then I hardly think an additional $0.75 on top of their daily budget is exactly breaking the bank. Do you?

It is absurd but that is the cost of running your gas heating through winter.

You're right. It is a disgrace.

Why should they pay a cent for an increase from a carbon tax?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 1:51pm:

My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose.

What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year.

Running a family home.
I have a copy of the bill.
The supply period is July 5 - Aug 31.

Total including GST $774.19

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year.

Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year

Small increase in power usage, bill up by nearly 50% for me.

Don't know what is to blame but it is a dam big increase.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year

I kid you not. I have it.
I'll take off the sensitive bits and show you later.

It's obscene what you guys pay for utilities in Australia.
They ran a family home for 5 through winter.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:48pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year

They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:53pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can.

Andrei must be a hands on landlord..I wouldn't have a clue what any of our tenants bills are.. nor do I care  :D

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:53pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can.

Oh yes, only silver spooners can and do waste water.

What a wank of a comment. ::)

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Small increase in power usage, bill up by nearly 50% for me. Don't know what is to blame but it is a dam big increase.

Ah! I see what's happening here, the rightards are getting billed twice as much as the lefties.

I'm waaaaay left and my bill was lower than it has been for years (sssshhhh!!!!! don't tell the leccy company.....they misread the metre)

Not so much hands on, I need the utility charges because if the way I have structured the financing of the house.

The tenants are good people though. They're from Manchester.

adelcrow wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can. Andrei must be a hands on landlord..I wouldn't have a clue what any of our tenants bills are.. nor do I care  :D

He must be paying their utility bills for them  lol!!!!!   

Do you pay for their petrol too andrei?

Pansi you wouldnt have a clue how to tax structure a house investment best so you're best not even trying.

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can. Oh yes, only silver spooners can and do waste water. What a wank of a comment. ::)

Average wage earners can't afford to, so yes the wealthy are wasters.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:52pm: Small increase in power usage, bill up by nearly 50% for me. Don't know what is to blame but it is a dam big increase. Ah! I see what's happening here, the rightards are getting billed twice as much as the lefties. I'm waaaaay left and my bill was lower than it has been for years (sssshhhh!!!!! don't tell the leccy company.....they misread the metre)

Just stating it like it is, nothing more.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 3:01pm:

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:56pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:48pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:44pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. What the hell were they doing? Hitler wouldn't have used that much gas in a year. Thats more than double our gas bill and my missus runs the gas heating like she wants a summer heatwave for 12 mths of the year They're probably silver spooners, I've seen them leave the sprinkler on 24/7, no matter that we're in a drought. They waste valuable resources because they can. Oh yes, only silver spooners can and do waste water. What a wank of a comment. ::) Average wage earners can't afford to, so yes the wealthy are wasters.

Water costs sweet FA brains. ::)

Dont drag it off topic.

The starting post is how bills are not an issue.

I have here in front of me a gas bill for July 5 - Aug 31 for $774.
Now you tell me there isn't a significant cost there?

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:56pm: FriYAY wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:52pm: Small increase in power usage, bill up by nearly 50% for me. Don't know what is to blame but it is a dam big increase. Ah! I see what's happening here, the rightards are getting billed twice as much as the lefties. I'm waaaaay left and my bill was lower than it has been for years (sssshhhh!!!!! don't tell the leccy company.....they misread the metre) Just stating it like it is, nothing more.

All the building work we are having done on our place on the south coast is costing no more after the carbon tax so I cant see the issue.
In fact the housing slowdown means we have tradies lining up to do the work where as this time last year it was the opposite..good for consumers and good for employers.

So adel, why is the gas bill not much short of $800 then???

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 3:05pm:

So adel, why is the gas bill not much short of $800 then???

I have no idea but like I said..my missus wants to live in a perpetual summer and our bill is less than half that.
Maybe you're tenants never leave the house and leave the gas on flat out 24/7..?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 3:05pm:

So adel, why is the gas bill not much short of $800 then???

Because they used an awful lot of gas?

or they have a gas leak which could turn out to be seriously dangerous.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 1:51pm:

My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose.

WELL, he's just as big FOOL as YOU are
And just as much money to burn - it would seem - in heating a VERY LARGE old house ( ... probably lacking basic insulation) in its entirety to a balmy 24 degrees, 24/7, all the Melbourne winter long

What a MASSIVE personal emissions foot-print
He SHOULD be paying more for the indulgence - and NOT be compensated

I'VE never had a gas bill of $700
I've never HEARD of anyone getting a gas bill of $700

We mix in VERY DIFFERENT CIRCLES

( ... I don't rub shoulders with "the rich" so much these days)

Tired of all the "I'm hard done by" WHINGING

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Dont drag it off topic. The starting post is how bills are not an issue. I have here in front of me a gas bill for July 5 - Aug 31 for $774. Now you tell me there isn't a significant cost there?

Right. So turn it over and tell us how the same bill from the same quarter in the previous year was.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:46pm:

Running a family home. I have a copy of the bill. The supply period is July 5 - Aug 31. Total including GST $774.19

How many MJ's are they consuming in that period and how much is it per MJ?

Electricity bills have been going up every single bill for years . . .

SOB

The carbon tax is all about the retirement funds of the Fascist State... :) :)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Electricity bills have been going up every single bill for years . . . SOB

Yup. The impost of the carbon price to consumers is so small as to be well within the range of normal price fluctuations, hence why it has had ZERO inflationary pressure on the economy thusfar :)

The Carbon Tax is a strait out impost on Families, pensioners, the disabled and workers for the benefits of the Oligarchical Fascist State dictatorship and its massive salaries, perks and retirement benefits... :) :)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. Compared to how much for the same quarter last year? I'm guessing no less than $640. I'm sure an extra $0.75 out of the daily budget is really breaking the proverbial camels back for your poor tenants, huh?  ::) $710 for one quarter of gas. That's alright is it?

my son and family had an elec bill for $800 they have wood heating wood he goes out and collects and chops himself.. so lighting and water...everyone out all day..go figure.

I have been told that sometime they guess what the bill will be?

you would think in this day and age we had something we could read ourselves...and work out how much we are heading for??.

after all we know when we need petrol for the car.

for me even reading the bloody bill is almost impossible.

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 5:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm: Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. Compared to how much for the same quarter last year? I'm guessing no less than $640. I'm sure an extra $0.75 out of the daily budget is really breaking the proverbial camels back for your poor tenants, huh?  ::) $710 for one quarter of gas. That's alright is it? my son and family had an elec bill for $800 they have wood heating wood he goes out and collects and chops himself.. so lighting and water...everyone out all day..go figure. I have been told that sometime they guess what the bill will be? you would think in this day and age we had something we could read ourselves...and work out how much we are heading for??. after all we know when we need petrol for the car. for me even reading the bloody bill is almost impossible.

Have they got a huge in-ground swimming pool? running the filter for eight hours a day will chew it up. People I know that have pools have cut down to four hours a day.

I can't really think of anything else that would get you an $800 bill. That's....like....humungous!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 6:21pm:

I can't really think of anything else that would get you an $800 bill. That's....like....humungous!

Perhaps cods' son is growing something in the attic. Those hydroponic lights use a huge amount of power! ;D

cods wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 5:57pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm: Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 1:51pm: My tenants latest gas bill in Australia is $710 for the quarter. That's not expensive I suppose. Compared to how much for the same quarter last year? I'm guessing no less than $640. I'm sure an extra $0.75 out of the daily budget is really breaking the proverbial camels back for your poor tenants, huh?  ::) $710 for one quarter of gas. That's alright is it? my son and family had an elec bill for $800 they have wood heating wood he goes out and collects and chops himself.. so lighting and water...everyone out all day..go figure. I have been told that sometime they guess what the bill will be? you would think in this day and age we had something we could read ourselves...and work out how much we are heading for??. after all we know when we need petrol for the car. for me even reading the bloody bill is almost impossible.

$800..it should be a quarter of that at the most

my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo?

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:21pm:

my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo?

What percentage or amount of that bill is due to carbon tax?

I just got mine and it was $470 for the quarter ... not sure what cods' son is doing, but I'd be checking that attic ....

Mine was $35 ..... credit.

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:21pm:

my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo?

Are you comparing to the same quarter in the previous year? I think not  ::)

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:21pm: my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo? Are you comparing to the same quarter in the previous year? I think not  ::)

i do. there is a graph on the bill showing previous quarter and same quarter the previous year. i may be only seven but i can read a bill.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:21pm: my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo? What percentage or amount of that bill is due to carbon tax?

that is the big question isn't it.

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm: Bertram wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:21pm: my energy bill - electricity and gas - went up from about $490 to $690. does that make me a libbo? Are you comparing to the same quarter in the previous year? I think not  ::) i do. there is a graph on the bill showing previous quarter and same quarter the previous year. i may be only seven but i can read a bill.

and on that graph is the usage the same or is it different? the graph on my bill shows usage, not $$$$  , my bill was up $50 on last quarter, but I'm thinking thats good since with a new born in the house I had the air con. going a little to warm up the place over winter , which i never used the quarter before ...

I'm still waiting to see the effects of the carbon tax ..... sounds like the liberal version of the Y2K bug?

what's the point of the carbon tax if it makes no difference to people's bills - ie their energy use.
that's another question isn't it?

Bertram wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 10:38pm:

what's the point of the carbon tax if it makes no difference to people's bills - ie their energy use. that's another question isn't it?

Its not meant to affect ordinary ppls energy use. It is meant to stop the big guys from making too much pollution. Of course this is not going to work because everyone was compensated and they passed on the costs. Whole thing cancelled out.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 5:17am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 10:38pm: what's the point of the carbon tax if it makes no difference to people's bills - ie their energy use. that's another question isn't it? Its not meant to affect ordinary ppls energy use. It is meant to stop the big guys from making too much pollution. Of course this is not going to work because everyone was compensated and they passed on the costs. Whole thing cancelled out. SOB

so it's just an accountants' picnic? how much does it cost to run a system that is calculated to make no difference?

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 9:25am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 5:17am: Bertram wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 10:38pm: what's the point of the carbon tax if it makes no difference to people's bills - ie their energy use. that's another question isn't it? Its not meant to affect ordinary ppls energy use. It is meant to stop the big guys from making too much pollution. Of course this is not going to work because everyone was compensated and they passed on the costs. Whole thing cancelled out. SOB so it's just an accountants' picnic? how much does it cost to run a system that is calculated to make no difference?

but it does make a difference .. energy suppliers have already announced record investments in renewable energies, numbers they wouldn't have considered before the carbon tax was announced .... and that number would be even higher if they didn't think Abbott would repeal the carbon tax once he won office ...

what's the record investment in renewables? not wind i hope.
solar? hydro?

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 9:45am:

what's the record investment in renewables? not wind i hope. solar? hydro?

Hopefully a bit of everything .. we aren't going to develop any of them until you put money into them .. sure, some aren't perfect , but put money into them, develop them, change them and the end product will be vastly different to todays options.... look at the first pc? what if someone decided it was cheaper to pay 5 accountants than it was to build a computer that was the size of a room with very limited processing power ... where would we be today?

good point. but there would be a lot more money to invest if people weren't compensated but were made to be mindful of their non-renewable energy use.
it's like if there is a $100 fine for speeding but everyone who is speeding gets compensated but car manufacturers have to pay extra tax for making faster cars. it's a bit silly.

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 10:09am:

good point. but there would be a lot more money to invest if people weren't compensated but were made to be mindful of their non-renewable energy use. it's like if there is a $100 fine for speeding but everyone who is speeding gets compensated but car manufacturers have to pay extra tax for making faster cars. it's a bit silly.

It's not supposed to change consumer behaviour, that's why consumers don't pay the tax, it is designed to change the behaviour of the 500 highest polluting companies who DO pay the tax.

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 10:09am: good point. but there would be a lot more money to invest if people weren't compensated but were made to be mindful of their non-renewable energy use. it's like if there is a $100 fine for speeding but everyone who is speeding gets compensated but car manufacturers have to pay extra tax for making faster cars. it's a bit silly. It's not supposed to change consumer behaviour, that's why consumers don't pay the tax, it is designed to change the behaviour of the 500 highest polluting companies who DO pay the tax.

Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either.

SOB

double post

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either. SOB

A huge body of economic modelling disagrees with your conclusion.

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 3:49pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:07pm: Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either. SOB A huge body of economic modelling disagrees with your conclusion.

Well if i was one of those companies and i was able to pass on the costs i would have no incentive to change my ways.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Well if i was one of those companies and i was able to pass on the costs i would have no incentive to change my ways. SOB

I'll take evidence over common-sense assumptions any day of the week.

As a business you've always got an incentive to cut costs, if you can make a saving on your tax by investing in ways to reduce the impost. And it's not as easy as just passing on the cost, you can only pass on so much before you consumer goes to your competitor who has a vested interest in passing on as little of the cost as possible

i don't get it. the government is paying coal fired power stations compensation. but la trobe uni, which generates its own power, is taxed as a polluter.


Quote:

The program was meant to shut down about 2000 megawatts of highly emissions-intensive generation capacity by 2020. Negotiations involved Hazelwood, Yallourn and Energy Brix power stations in Victoria, as well as Playford in South Australia and Collinsville in Queensland. The Australian Conservation Foundation said it was a ‘‘central plank’’ of Labor’s carbon price regime. ‘‘If these dirty old clunkers are not shut down the companies that own them certainly don’t deserve $5.5 billion in handouts from the taxpayer for nothing,’’ foundation spokesman Tony Mohr said in a statement. Four stations in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley mid-year received the lion’s share of $1 billion to help coal-fired generators cope with the carbon tax. Hazelwood received $266 million and Yallourn pocketed $257 million in the first tranche of assistance from the $5.5 billion energy security fund. Opposition climate action spokesman Greg Hunt says the government had ‘‘contradictory funds’’ - one to shut down power stations and another to help them remain viable. ‘‘It is no wonder the scheme collapsed,’’ he said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/environment/gillard-government-ditches-plan-to-shut-dirty-power-plants-20120905-25eg4.html#ixzz27HGPeSZL


on La Trobe uni:
http://www.wakeup2thelies.com/2012/05/16/la-trobe-university-forced-to-pay-the-carbon-tax-for-producing-cleaner-energy/


the big coal-based power stations get compensation, a university using natural gas to produce its own power gets taxed as a 'a big polluter'.

does this make sense? not to me.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:49pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:07pm: Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either. SOB A huge body of economic modelling disagrees with your conclusion. Well if i was one of those companies and i was able to pass on the costs i would have no incentive to change my ways. SOB

Of course you do Spot. If you reduce your costs, the money saved goes to PROFIT. Which is what you're in business for. So they have a very big incentive to find ways to cut their tax bill. Every big business is always looking for ways to reduce their expenses for this very reason.

go and look at your energy provider's website and look at their charges

your are a farce upton

When companies change to renewable energy they can sell the surplus carbon credits.....Until they reduce emissions they continue paying for their carbon output.....It makes economic sense to reduce emissions reduce costs and sell the credits!!!

::) ::) ::)

Gist wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:56pm: Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:49pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:07pm: Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either. SOB A huge body of economic modelling disagrees with your conclusion. Well if i was one of those companies and i was able to pass on the costs i would have no incentive to change my ways. SOB Of course you do Spot. If you reduce your costs, the money saved goes to PROFIT. Which is what you're in business for. So they have a very big incentive to find ways to cut their tax bill. Every big business is always looking for ways to reduce their expenses for this very reason.

Ahh so they can gouge us further by making more profit by not taking the inflated prices off when they counteract them. Okay I see now.

SOB

Maqqa wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 9:52pm:

go and look at your energy provider's website and look at their charges your are a farce upton

No, the baseless fearmongering campaign you engaged in was a farce. The carbon tax has had zero inflationary impact in the economy so far. Less like a wrecking ball, more like a conker.

Bertram wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2012 at 5:59pm:

on La Trobe uni: http://www.wakeup2thelies.com/2012/05/16/la-trobe-university-forced-to-pay-the-carbon-tax-for-producing-cleaner-energy/

WakeUp2TheLies.com? sounds like a reputable and balanced source of information  ::)

I have already pointed out to you my tenants have been saddled with a near-on $800 bill for gas usage.

Carbon tax?

You're having a laugh guv'nor.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 4:30am:

Gist wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 6:08pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:56pm: Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:49pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 3:07pm: Yet they pass on the cost so it doesnt change their behaviour either. SOB A huge body of economic modelling disagrees with your conclusion. Well if i was one of those companies and i was able to pass on the costs i would have no incentive to change my ways. SOB Of course you do Spot. If you reduce your costs, the money saved goes to PROFIT. Which is what you're in business for. So they have a very big incentive to find ways to cut their tax bill. Every big business is always looking for ways to reduce their expenses for this very reason. Ahh so they can gouge us further by making more profit by not taking the inflated prices off when they counteract them. Okay I see now. SOB

Correct. Except that in a competitive market they can increase their market share by passing on the savings. If they could pick up say an extra $2 worth of net sales by passing on a $1 saving then they are still ahead. (These are numbers plucked out of thin air for the purpose of example)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

I have already pointed out to you my tenants have been saddled with a near-on $800 bill for gas usage. Carbon tax? You're having a laugh guv'nor.

Hopefully your wasteful tenants have learnt a lesson lol! at them for being idiots. Most sensible and responsible people wouldn't know how to rack up a gas bill that size if they tried.

Really, well interesting when I spoke with him the other week he told me that a lot of the other parents at the local kindergarten have also got some sky-high bills.
Plenty of blame going on the carbon tax he tells me.

But yeah, you stick your head in the sand pansi and just laugh at young families with huge bills if it makes you feel better.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 10:54am: I have already pointed out to you my tenants have been saddled with a near-on $800 bill for gas usage. Carbon tax? You're having a laugh guv'nor. Hopefully your wasteful tenants have learnt a lesson lol! at them for being idiots. Most sensible and responsible people wouldn't know how to rack up a gas bill that size if they tried.

I dont know how to get a bill that size . . ..  and I didnt even get any "compensation" . . ..

SOB

Mate we are better off saving time by putting down things you do know.

What you don't know would fill the doomsday book.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Mate we are better off saving time by putting down things you do know. What you don't know would fill the doomsday book.

Awwww you disagree with something i said again . . .. .  too bad you cant think of actual arguments . .. .

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:41pm:

It is absurd but that is the cost of running your gas heating through winter. You're right. It is a disgrace.

For what is - OBVIOUSLY - a VERY large house in Melbourne's "money belt"
As he has an income that can comfortably fork out $1000 or more in rent - he can WELL afford the non-essential INDULGENCE of heating EVERY ROOM to balmy spring and summer temperatures

Compensation is justly paid to those who to struggle meeting the cost of life's necessities

It is NOT there to subsidise LUXURIES of those who DON'T

Hence, compensation is fairly means tested

I don't know why are you always so anti-people with some money Buzz.

I can only assume there is some envy or something but you're a bit hung up on that subject.

People are struggling out there and the one convo I have had with my mate when we discussed that bill, he did point out there were a few others who had similar bills.
His other big beef was home and content insurance - the Aussie companies landing them with increased premiums for 'natural events' about 6 hours plane ride away too....

;D

Australia - Land of the Rip-Off.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

I don't know why are you always so anti-people with some money Buzz. I can only assume there is some envy or something but you're a bit hung up on that subject. People are struggling out there and the one convo I have had with my mate when we discussed that bill, he did point out there were a few others who had similar bills. His other big beef was home and content insurance - the Aussie companies landing them with increased premiums for 'natural events' about 6 hours plane ride away too.... ;D Australia - Land of the Rip-Off.

Yeah, you hate it so much here you spend your entire crappy waking life here talking about it. Enjoy your miserable life in the cesspit dickwad. Let us know if someone shoots you so I can have a laugh won't you?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

I have already pointed out to you my tenants have been saddled with a near-on $800 bill for gas usage. Carbon tax? You're having a laugh guv'nor.

I think you're having a laugh. How come you won't tell us how many megajoules of gas was consumed in the period covered by the bill? Is it because you know its a stupidly large amount (if the bill even exists) and it wil show you up to being a liar?

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 10:54am: I have already pointed out to you my tenants have been saddled with a near-on $800 bill for gas usage. Carbon tax? You're having a laugh guv'nor. I think you're having a laugh. How come you won't tell us how many megajoules of gas was consumed in the period covered by the bill. And that's because you know its a stupidly large amount (if the bill even exists) and it wil show you up to being a liar.

When I go into the office on monday, I will post you a picture of this bill - after taking off the tenant's details etc.
This bill exists - it is for $780. I kid you not.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

When I go into the office on monday, I will post you a picture of this bill - after taking off the tenant's details etc. This bill exists - it is for $780. I kid you not.

Be sure to photograph both sides so that the price per unit and previous quarters readings are clearly visible

Not relevant.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

Not relevant.

Hahaha... Oh, yes it is. It's highly relevant if there was 10X more gas than average consumed, or if the previous quarter's bill was just as high. You are just being disingenuous. Why are you so desperate to avoid looking at the consumption habits?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

cods wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:13am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 7:04am: cods wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:53am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Sep 22nd, 2012 at 6:35am: [quote author=0A29362D06363F061B362B3E590 link=1348203629/6#6 date=1348258946]Wow the lack of libbos in this thread is telling SOB Maybe their electricity bill didn't go up 200% and they're embarrassed, like Tony  :-[/quote] I wish they could explain the price of tomatoes??spuds.petrol.fruit and veg I mostly walk past  them  now along with the meat section.. I dont expect my first bill until Oct.glad it isnt impacting on everyone though.just the same..Swan will probably want his compensation back... how could all those experts get it so wrong though??? I know cods, and pumpkin $4 a kilo, frekkin pumpkin, throw some seeds in the ground and they'll grow like weeds. It's inflation and the prices will keep going up and up. The rising cost of living. I don't actually see many people buying those expensive veges though, they must be learning to live without them. We're lucky in that we have a wide range so we can still get some cheap fruit and veges, even if they're not our preferred variety. pansi they keep telling us it isnt inflation.. look at the interest rate??...this is what I mean pumpkin.. used to be a weed..almost. I dont even look to be honest.. too depressing.lucky me I guess I am only one.. but what do the families do .. they have little choice.. I have noticed even Aldi isnt CHEAP any more..which is where I used to buy fruit and veg..I wanted brussel sprout last week $9. they had about half a dozen in the bin..as you say no ones buying.... I was always a fresh is best person..but that long gone..I havent the back for growing. and never had any success anyway.. and we dont have the roadside stalls like we once did. Who, exactly, is telling you it isnt inflation? SOB

Bump

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

Not relevant.

In a discussion about the carbon tax and increases in bills it certainly is relevant. It might show that this time last year the bill was for twice as much for all we know!

SOB

Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :)

Absolutely!
I agree with the lunatic.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic.

I wonder if he has a newsletter we could subscribe to?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:04pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic.

The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :)

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :)

Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come.

I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession.

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. I wonder if he has a newsletter we could subscribe to?

I just know there will be a guy who believes he is Napoleon in his facility.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession.

Hey, you're actually a pretty funny guy when you're making fun of things I agree with you on ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession.

I DO NOT RECALL EVER ENGAGING YOU

IN CONVERSATION NOR HAVE I INVITED YOU TO DO

SO OR GIVEN LICENSE TO YOU TO CONVERSE WITH

ME IN ANY WAY THROUGH RECIPROCITY NOW GO

AWAY WITH YOUR NASTY TROLLING AND AMUSE

YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A STUFF

WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY....I HOPE THAT THERE IS NO

PART OF SHUT UP AND BUGGER OFF YOU CANNOT

UNDERSTAND... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession. I DO NOT RECALL EVER ENGAGING YOU IN CONVERSATION NOR HAVE I INVITED YOU TO DO SO OR GIVEN LICENSE TO YOU TO CONVERSE WITH ME IN ANY WAY THROUGH RECIPROCITY NOW GO AWAY WITH YOUR NASTY TROLLING AND AMUSE YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A STUFF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY....I HOPE THAT THERE IS NO PART OF SHUT UP AND BUGGER OFF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND... :) :)

Easy now, big guy, you'll have the nurses over to give you one of those calm-down shots if your're not careful

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession. I DO NOT RECALL EVER ENGAGING YOU IN CONVERSATION NOR HAVE I INVITED YOU TO DO SO OR GIVEN LICENSE TO YOU TO CONVERSE WITH ME IN ANY WAY THROUGH RECIPROCITY NOW GO AWAY WITH YOUR NASTY TROLLING AND AMUSE YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A STUFF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY....I HOPE THAT THERE IS NO PART OF SHUT UP AND BUGGER OFF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND... :) :)

Lesson learned

DON'T AGGRIVATE LUNATICS

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:27pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession. I DO NOT RECALL EVER ENGAGING YOU IN CONVERSATION NOR HAVE I INVITED YOU TO DO SO OR GIVEN LICENSE TO YOU TO CONVERSE WITH ME IN ANY WAY THROUGH RECIPROCITY NOW GO AWAY WITH YOUR NASTY TROLLING AND AMUSE YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A STUFF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY....I HOPE THAT THERE IS NO PART OF SHUT UP AND BUGGER OFF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND... :) :) Lesson learned DON'T AGGRIVATE LUNATICS

CLEARLY THE LESSON IS NOT LEARNED,

I DO NOT WANT TO CONVERSE WITH YOU OR ANY OF

YOUR SOX NOW SHUT UP AND GO AWAY... :) :)

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

Bertram wrote on Sep 23rd, 2012 at 5:59pm: on La Trobe uni: http://www.wakeup2thelies.com/2012/05/16/la-trobe-university-forced-to-pay-the-carbon-tax-for-producing-cleaner-energy/ WakeUp2TheLies.com? sounds like a reputable and balanced source of information  ::)

can you not see that the link carries a letter by prof manne of la trobe to the editor of the australian? maybe you can't. here is the letter at that link:

    USING Gerard Henderson as its source, Cut & Paste (12-13/5) suggests I should be ashamed that I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.

    La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria.

    Although I had no role in the decision, the fact that we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel is one reason that I am not ashamed, but proud to be a member of La Trobe University.

    Robert Manne, La Trobe University, Vic



it is one thing to be passionate. it is not the same as being blinkered. you have passed the test for the former with flying colours and you are now within a toucher of the latter. a big disservice to your cause.

Bertram wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 8:30pm:

can you not see that the link carries a letter by prof manne of la trobe to the editor of the australian? maybe you can't. here is the letter at that link:     USING Gerard Henderson as its source, Cut & Paste (12-13/5) suggests I should be ashamed that I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.     La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria.     Although I had no role in the decision, the fact that we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel is one reason that I am not ashamed, but proud to be a member of La Trobe University.     Robert Manne, La Trobe University, Vic it is one thing to be passionate. it is not the same as being blinkered. you have passed the test for the former with flying colours and you are now within a toucher of the latter. a big disservice to your cause.

So you're telling me that LaTrobe has it's own commercial co-generation plant but that you think it should be exempt from paying the carbon price?

Oh, this is too good ;D

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2012/article/la-trobe-university-and-the-carbon-tax


Quote:

LA TROBE UNIVERSITY AND THE CARBON TAX 24 May 2012 La Trobe University has calculated it is about quarter of a million dollars better off under the new carbon tax regime because it produces energy for its Melbourne campus from its own gas-fired cogeneration plant. ‘More importantly, our carbon emissions would be much higher if we were to rely on brown coal generators that supply most of the rest of Victoria,’ says Pro Vice-Chancellor (Sustainability) Professor Carol Adams. ‘So the Carbon Pricing Mechanism highlights our efforts in acting responsibly and looking after the interests of today’s students and those of future generations.’ La Trobe University’s co-generation plant produces electricity along with hot water and heating from the one natural gas energy source. It has operated for nearly two decades and is twice as carbon efficient as brown coal power generation. With some 25,000 staff and students on the Melbourne campus, the plant serves a population the size of a small city. ‘La Trobe is the only university on the carbon tax list because we produce so much of our own energy, sometimes even selling it back into the State grid. But it’s much cleaner and less polluting energy than that produced by other fossil fuels,’ says Professor Adams. Continuous monitoring La Trobe continually monitors its sustainability performance, a process which involves contributions from more than 100 people from all areas of the University. ‘We publish this data annually and are one of the few universities in the world to prepare such a thorough report,’ she says. ‘Our report is verified by external assurers and uses the Global Reporting Initiative at A+ application level.’ The report outlines La Trobe’s environmental, social and economic impact as well as the work it is doing through education, research and community engagement. ‘While we have plans in place to achieve long-term targets, our performance in energy and water consumption, as well as emissions resulting from staff business travel, leave room for improvement.’ To help achieve its energy use target by 2020, La Trobe has joined Victoria’s ‘Greener Government Building Program. Read more about the full range of sustainability activity at La Trobe here: www.latrobe.edu.au/sustainability The latest annual report, ‘Creating Futures’ is available for here: www.latrobe.edu.au/sustainability/report La Trobe’s previous report, ‘Responsible Futures’ won the 'Best First Time' sustainability report award from ‘corporateregister.com global’, the world’s largest directory of non-financial reports  comprising almost 40,000 reports from 160 countries, read more: www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2011/article/sustainability-efforts-awarded

Prevailing wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:34pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:27pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:23pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:10pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 2:59pm: Pretending they are compensating you while they are actually robbing you for their own welfare is the common deceptive logic of overarching planned totalitarian dictatorships.... :) :) Absolutely! I agree with the lunatic. The last thing I need or want is support from an ill mannered and poorly raised miserable cretin like you... :) :) Mate you need all the support you can get - from wherever quarter that may come. I would suggest though, it is best they are part of the medical profession. I DO NOT RECALL EVER ENGAGING YOU IN CONVERSATION NOR HAVE I INVITED YOU TO DO SO OR GIVEN LICENSE TO YOU TO CONVERSE WITH ME IN ANY WAY THROUGH RECIPROCITY NOW GO AWAY WITH YOUR NASTY TROLLING AND AMUSE YOURSELF WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A STUFF WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY....I HOPE THAT THERE IS NO PART OF SHUT UP AND BUGGER OFF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND... :) :) Lesson learned DON'T AGGRIVATE LUNATICS CLEARLY THE LESSON IS NOT LEARNED,

You are STILL unaware as to the EXTENT of your LUNACY ?

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24^th, 2012 at 8:43pm:

Bertram wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 8:30pm: can you not see that the link carries a letter by prof manne of la trobe to the editor of the australian? maybe you can't. here is the letter at that link:     USING Gerard Henderson as its source, Cut & Paste (12-13/5) suggests I should be ashamed that I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.     La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria.     Although I had no role in the decision, the fact that we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel is one reason that I am not ashamed, but proud to be a member of La Trobe University.     Robert Manne, La Trobe University, Vic it is one thing to be passionate. it is not the same as being blinkered. you have passed the test for the former with flying colours and you are now within a toucher of the latter. a big disservice to your cause. So you're telling me that LaTrobe has it's own commercial co-generation plant but that you think it should be exempt from paying the carbon price?

not me. prof manne is telling you.

he is saying that the carbon tax, being a blunt instrument, is a stupid thing. you should write to him if you think he is wrong.

Bertram wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

Upton Sinclair wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 8:43pm: Bertram wrote on Sep 24th, 2012 at 8:30pm: can you not see that the link carries a letter by prof manne of la trobe to the editor of the australian? maybe you can't. here is the letter at that link:     USING Gerard Henderson as its source, Cut & Paste (12-13/5) suggests I should be ashamed that I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.     La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria.     Although I had no role in the decision, the fact that we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel is one reason that I am not ashamed, but proud to be a member of La Trobe University.     Robert Manne, La Trobe University, Vic it is one thing to be passionate. it is not the same as being blinkered. you have passed the test for the former with flying colours and you are now within a toucher of the latter. a big disservice to your cause. So you're telling me that LaTrobe has it's own commercial co-generation plant but that you think it should be exempt from paying the carbon price? not me. prof manne is telling you. he is saying that the carbon tax, being a blunt instrument, is a stupid thing. you should write to him if you think he is wrong.

I am not calling you a liar mate but can you highlight the section where he makes this claim.....Thank you???

:) :) :)

I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.

    La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria.

we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel

Bertram wrote on Oct 6^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

I am employed at a university that was 131st of the nation’s top 500 carbon polluters.     La Trobe is on the list for the carbon tax because it produces its own energy from natural gas, a cleaner energy source than other fossil fuels. Our co-generation plant, which has operated since 1993, is twice as efficient as the brown coal generators that supply the rest of Victoria. we are powered by the cleanest burning fossil fuel

he is saying that the carbon tax, being a blunt instrument, is a stupid thing. you should write to him if you think he is wrong.

Yes very good but.....I am not calling you a liar mate but can you highlight the section where he makes this claim.....Thank you???

::) ::) ::)

FriYAY wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2012 at 2:52pm:

Small increase in power usage, bill up by nearly 50% for me. Don't know what is to blame but it is a dam big increase.

buzzanddidj wrote on Oct 10^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 5:11pm: Abbott got sprung lying yet again ;D http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-10/abbott-caught-out-on-use-of-pensioner27s-power-bill/4305908 LIAR, LIAR, LIAR ! 6 hours 26 minutes ago Question Time in Federal Parliament today returned to the more regular themes of the carbon tax and the economy, after yesterday's extraordinary move to try to force Peter Slipper out of the Speaker's role. But Labor says Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has been caught out in his use of a "pensioner's" electricity bill as part of his anti-carbon tax campaign. In questioning the Prime Minister about Hetty Verolme's bill, Mr Abbott said the customer "nearly had a heart attack" when she got her most recent power bill. It had more than doubled since her previous bill to $1,563 for the months of June and July, and Mr Abbott wanted to know what advice Julia Gillard had for the Perth pensioner. He followed up with a supplementary question: "With an $800 increase in just one bill of which 70 per cent is due to the carbon tax, how can the Prime Minister possibly claim that Hetty Verolme's compensation is in any way adequate?" Labor challenged Mr Abbott to table the bill in Parliament so it could verify Mr Abbott's claims, meaning it has now been made publicly available. An electricity consumption graph on the side of the bill shows that most of the increase was due to a dramatic increase in power usage at Mrs Verolme's home. It also includes a note saying that electricity prices had increased on July 1 by 2.255 cents per unit because of the carbon tax, which "represents an estimated increase of 9.13 per cent for an average daily usage of 15.89 units". That is less than the Treasury forecast of a 10 per cent increase in electricity costs because of the carbon tax. "Once again, the Leader of the Opposition caught out just like he was on Whyalla, caught out just like he was on the coal industry, caught out just like he was on lamb roasts, peddling fear (and) peddling reckless negativity," Ms Gillard told Parliament. "The one thing you'll never hear from the Leader of the Opposition is anything that sounds like the truth about carbon pricing. "The Opposition knows that the increase around the country has been what was predicted - 10 per cent or less."

Nazis gonna hate Nazis gonna lie..The Carbon Tax is a Nazi Tax that Monetizes violence and aggression... :) :)