http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-06/gillard-pulls-out-of-christian-lobby-speech/4246382

Mr Wallace made the remarks in Tasmania yesterday during a debate with Greens leader Christine Milne on the merits of same-sex marriage.

"I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the homosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that it has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience.

"The life of smokers is reduced by something like seven to 10 years and yet we tell all our kids at school they shouldn't smoke."

This morning, he accused "gay activists" of misrepresenting his comments.

"I was not comparing homosexuality with smoking at all," Mr Wallace said in a statement.

"What I was saying is that on one hand we are vocal on our discouragement of people to smoke and on the other we are suppressing public dialogue about the health risks associated with homosexuality.

"Instead of more free speech-suppressing vitriol and demonisation from the gay activists, there needs to be an open and honest debate before Parliament changes the definition of marriage."

Ms Gillard was listed as the key note speaker at the ACL conference, but has been facing pressure to pull out of the event.

"I believe yesterday's comments by Jim Wallace were offensive," she said in a statement today.

"To compare the health effects of smoking cigarettes with the many struggles gay and lesbian Australians endure in contemporary society is heartless and wrong.

"Although everyone is entitled to their own view, these statements reiterated again today on behalf of ACL are totally unacceptable."



Demonisation

The Greens have applauded the Prime Minister's decision, saying she should never have agreed to speak at the ACL conference.

"The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio.

But Mr Wallace said he was disappointed by Ms Gillard's decision to pull out of the event, describing it as a blow to free speech.

"This is a victory for the demonisation tactics of gay activism and its constant misrepresentation and spin of anything that is said by people who support marriage as between a man and a woman," he told ABC radio.

Mr Wallace said he could not understand why his comments offended homosexuals or the Prime Minister.

There are currently two bills before the House of Representatives aimed at legalising same-sex marriage - one from Greens deputy leader Adam Bandt, the other from Labor backbencher Stephen Jones.

Labor MPs have been given a conscience vote on the legislation, but Coalition MPs are expected to follow the party's position on the issue, which does not allow for any change to marriage laws.

A final vote on the legislation is not expected until later this year, although at this stage it appears the legislation will struggle to get the support it needs to pass the house.

There are health risks associated with going up the bum!

  :o :o :o :o :o

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o

That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left?

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o

You didn't realise till now? You better stop going bareback then, unless you're the top.

Whether you are for or against:

(1) Gay marriage
(2) Abortion
(3) Carbon emission impact of humans
(4) Alcohol
(5) Illegals
(6) Aborigines

You should be able to have a say without being demonised.

What is demonising?

It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views

Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they
have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio."




They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO
have an undue amount of influence with the Minister.


>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I thought this thread must have been about phony tony, demonising free speech in the Liberal party while letting Barny numnuts say as he pleases as Abbott is a gutless prick. I bet he  willingly bent over for the priests too, just like he offered up to Windsor.

I am in favor of democracy, free speech, transparency and accountability on all the issues...nothing should happen on poofter marriage, the carbon tax or cubbie house sale without national interest accountability and a referendum...we have to press harder for full compliance with constitutional democracy.... :) :)

Kat wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:07pm:

Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio." They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO have an undue amount of influence with the Minister. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

the more I read about POWER in certain so called religious groups the more fearful I become..Scientology being the biggy..

but they all seem to me to have the POWER to brainwash...


unless you are Amish... most of these followers lead perfectly[ on the surface] normal every day lives..

yet they are governed by all accounts morning noon and night..I am so shocked to hear where perfectly normal people are lead into a life of subservience almost as if they are in some sort of trance. are they weak or what??

this to me isnt religion or what it should be.. its POWER

I would like to say that I believe bad behavior must be punished whether it is online or in real life - there is no place for corruption, child porn, threatening, unchaste and immoral conduct or lawlessness... People should know the same laws apply online as offline... :) :)

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:07pm: Quote: - "The Prime Minister should not be going anywhere near the Australian Christian Lobby because they're a private company, they have no affiliation churches and their whole focus is to attack the gay community," Senator Milne told ABC radio." They also fervently support internet censorship, and, sadly, they DO have an undue amount of influence with the Minister. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( the more I read about POWER in certain so called religious groups the more fearful I become..Scientology being the biggy.. but they all seem to me to have the POWER to brainwash... unless you are Amish... most of these followers lead perfectly[ on the surface] normal every day lives.. yet they are governed by all accounts morning noon and night..I am so shocked to hear where perfectly normal people are lead into a life of subservience almost as if they are in some sort of trance. are they weak or what?? this to me isnt religion or what it should be.. its POWER

I agree with you cods. I'm a an atheist for all intents and purposes, but I respect people's spirituality, it's orgainised religions that are evil, not spiritualality.

So what your implying is the Christian lobby can say what they like but the pm must attend their conference whether she wants to or not.
Doesn't that constitute a denial of freedom of association?
Her free will to choose who she speaks to or what she attends seems to be forgotten, I look forward to the next time tony is forced to speak at the lesbian transsexual and gay lobbies next function.

I have to admit...I and the overwhelming majority of moderate middle Australians are more frightened by the violence, lawlessness and corruption that organized militant Atheism (Communism) brings to the table than organized religion...  Organized religion brings the full spectrum of views to the table...organized militant Atheism however...well you know the pathology they present...simply a world with no restraint, no consequences, no accountability, no transparency, no democracy, no rights, no protection from the bad behavior of others... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:26pm:

I am in favor of democracy, free speech, transparency and accountability on all the issues...nothing should happen on poofter marriage, the carbon tax or cubbie house sale without national interest accountability and a referendum...we have to press harder for full compliance with constitutional democracy.... :) :)

I do not usually respond to the fruit loop brigade but do you have any idea how much a referendum costs.....Why bother when the result will be ignored and the question will be loaded towards a preferred outcome anyway???

::) ::) ::)

The collusion between the media and government on this BS, fabricated issue is astounding. 

Hopefully this sorry saga opens a few more eyes.   

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:26pm: I am in favor of democracy, free speech, transparency and accountability on all the issues...nothing should happen on poofter marriage, the carbon tax or cubbie house sale without national interest accountability and a referendum...we have to press harder for full compliance with constitutional democracy.... :) :) I do not usually respond to the fruit loop brigade but do you have any idea how much a referendum costs.....Why bother when the result will be ignored and the question will be loaded towards a preferred outcome anyway??? ::) ::) ::)

Because we dont want to be dictated to by militant unelected committees... :P :P

Quote:

Mr Wallace made the remarks in Tasmania yesterday during a debate with Greens leader Christine Milne on the merits of same-sex marriage. "I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the homosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that it has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience.

Anyone who supports this cretin deserves to be ridiculed.....It is the views of religious nut jobs like Wallace that helps drive these shameful statistics.....If Wallace accepts there is a health problem with homosexuals then why is he not advocating more support for them.....Wallace represents all that is bad about religion!!!

>:( >:( >:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

So what your implying is the Christian lobby can say what they like but the pm must attend their conference whether she wants to or not. Doesn't that constitute a denial of freedom of association? Her free will to choose who she speaks to or what she attends seems to be forgotten, I look forward to the next time tony is forced to speak at the lesbian transsexual and gay lobbies next function.

hahahaha... trouble is smithy she is the PM..PRIME MINISTER OF ALL AUSTRALIANS>

white black brown all religions.. come what may
the same will apply to Tony.Obama or Cameron..

who they insult in private is their business of course...but as PM they should at least show some good manners.

we all hate crawling dont we... well its the same with showing their ignorance..

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Quote: Mr Wallace made the remarks in Tasmania yesterday during a debate with Greens leader Christine Milne on the merits of same-sex marriage. "I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the homosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that it has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience. Anyone who supports this cretin deserves to be ridiculed.....It is the views of religious nut jobs like Wallace that helps drive these shameful statistics.....If Wallace accepts there is a health problem with homosexuals then why is he not advocating more support for them.....Wallace represents all that is bad about religion!!! >:( >:( >:(

And the link between him stating a fact and this rant is......?

Love that you turkeys always talk about the 'bigotry' of religious folk, and then come out with this bullshit.

Forgive him father, for he knows not what he does.

I like this wallace guy - he has principles and sticks to them, unlike his wishy-washy weak-willed detractors.

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Quote: Mr Wallace made the remarks in Tasmania yesterday during a debate with Greens leader Christine Milne on the merits of same-sex marriage. "I think we're going to owe smokers a big apology when the homosexual community's own statistics for its health - which it presents when it wants more money for health - are that it has higher rates of drug-taking, of suicide, it has the life of a male reduced by up to 20 years," he told the audience. Anyone who supports this cretin deserves to be ridiculed.....It is the views of religious nut jobs like Wallace that helps drive these shameful statistics.....If Wallace accepts there is a health problem with homosexuals then why is he not advocating more support for them.....Wallace represents all that is bad about religion!!! >:( >:( >:(

Because the behavior is the problem...just like it is with smoking - its a matter of taking personal accountability for the consequences of bad behavior and poor choices and changing./..personally, I think most were either poorly raised or abused and are deeply traumatized and disturbed individuals but the responsible thing is to not let the same mistakes be passed on to the next generation... :) :)

Maqqa wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:05pm:

Whether you are for or against: (1) Gay marriage (2) Abortion (3) Carbon emission impact of humans (4) Alcohol (5) Illegals (6) Aborigines You should be able to have a say without being demonised. What is demonising? It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views

you mean like you do of anyone associated with the ALP?

John Smith wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:05pm: Whether you are for or against: (1) Gay marriage (2) Abortion (3) Carbon emission impact of humans (4) Alcohol (5) Illegals (6) Aborigines You should be able to have a say without being demonised. What is demonising? It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views you mean like you do of anyone associated with the ALP?

Oh yeah. Anyone supporting the ALP is a pedophile. Just ask longidiot.  >:(

who are the ACL  , who funds them and what are they aimimg to achieve.
didnt someone say they're a company??

i think they seem to have breeched copyright by using the word christian without the backing of the major christian players.

steve jobs would sue their asses if they called themselves the australian apple lobby and just started mouthing off.

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:49pm: So what your implying is the Christian lobby can say what they like but the pm must attend their conference whether she wants to or not. Doesn't that constitute a denial of freedom of association? Her free will to choose who she speaks to or what she attends seems to be forgotten, I look forward to the next time tony is forced to speak at the lesbian transsexual and gay lobbies next function. hahahaha... trouble is smithy she is the PM..PRIME MINISTER OF ALL AUSTRALIANS> white black brown all religions.. come what may the same will apply to Tony.Obama or Cameron.. who they insult in private is their business of course...but as PM they should at least show some good manners. we all hate crawling dont we... well its the same with showing their ignorance..

So the pm must speak at every conference he/she is asked to attend?
As I said will you demand tony speak at the next white power conference if invited or will you suddenly defend his right to refuse.
I'm also interested in the good manners comment, she has declined to speak which I'm sure was conveyed in a congenial way(do you have evidence it wasn't ) leaving the conference enough time to organize a replacement.
Wouldn't it be ironic if they asked Abbott  :D



Quote:

well its the same with showing their ignorance.

Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left?

DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER!

Gist wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:05pm: Whether you are for or against: (1) Gay marriage (2) Abortion (3) Carbon emission impact of humans (4) Alcohol (5) Illegals (6) Aborigines You should be able to have a say without being demonised. What is demonising? It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views you mean like you do of anyone associated with the ALP? Oh yeah. Anyone supporting the ALP is a pedophile. Just ask longidiot.  >:(

I have never seen where macca has labeled anyone..for being a lefty..... an idiot maybe???

however may I suggest you read skippy and read his language when referring to anyone that dares disagree with his views...the conga line of bitches is usually picked up by others...

its all a form of bullying you know? kids still do it in the playground... and now on facebook.;..

cowardly but it does work...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:42am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER!

and gist think longy had a problem...LOL

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL

Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:55am:

cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse...

It's an Abbott thing.

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Gist wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:39pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:05pm: Whether you are for or against: (1) Gay marriage (2) Abortion (3) Carbon emission impact of humans (4) Alcohol (5) Illegals (6) Aborigines You should be able to have a say without being demonised. What is demonising? It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views you mean like you do of anyone associated with the ALP? Oh yeah. Anyone supporting the ALP is a pedophile. Just ask longidiot.  >:( I have never seen where macca has labeled anyone..for being a lefty..... an idiot maybe??? however may I suggest you read skippy and read his language when referring to anyone that dares disagree with his views...the conga line of bitches is usually picked up by others... its all a form of bullying you know? kids still do it in the playground... and now on facebook.;.. cowardly but it does work...

Do you actually have a point? Do you think for once you could focus long enough to make it?

Gist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:55am: cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse... It's an Abbott thing.

Adel has a thing for Abbott's arse? Who would've known!!! :o

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Gist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:55am: cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse... It's an Abbott thing. Adel has a thing for Abbott's arse? Who would've known!!! :o

I doubt it, I suspect it's more a thing about Abbott selling his arse freely to anyone and everyone. Just ask Tony. I'm sure he'll give you conga line people a good rate!

Gist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:34am: Gist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:55am: cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse... It's an Abbott thing. Adel has a thing for Abbott's arse? Who would've known!!! :o I doubt it, I suspect it's more a thing about Abbott selling his arse freely to anyone and everyone. Just ask Tony. I'm sure he'll give you conga line people a good rate!

You doubt it, but you can't rule it out completely, can you?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

Gist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:35am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:34am: Gist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:29am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:55am: cods wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:51am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:42am: adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm: There are health risks associated with going up the bum!   :o :o :o :o :o That throws a spanner in the works when it comes to Abbotts negotiating style..if he cant offer up his arse what has he got left? DANGER, DANGER! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! DANGER, DANGER! and gist think longy had a problem...LOL Adel does seem to have some weird, perverse thing about offering up his arse... It's an Abbott thing. Adel has a thing for Abbott's arse? Who would've known!!! :o I doubt it, I suspect it's more a thing about Abbott selling his arse freely to anyone and everyone. Just ask Tony. I'm sure he'll give you conga line people a good rate! You doubt it, but you can't rule it out completely, can you?

I was under the impression from FD that to call any politician  a paedo/gay was against his rules... and can get one banned...


gist and skip have the same vocabulary..demonise anyone that disagrees with them... so scary conga line... are you afraid AP?????? :D :D

Have you ever thought of taking remedial reading classes cods?

That's a pointless question Gist. She can't read it.  :-[

aquascoot wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

who are the ACL ... ?

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2011 at 5:54pm:

longweekend58 wrote As a Christian I also find the ACL quite daft ... and Jim Wallace quite silly. the ACL has a place but sometimes they really DONT represent us that well.

It's basically a "gang of three" inspired by American fudamentlist pentacostals




Quote:

Three men from different denominational affiliations and backgrounds founded the Australian Christian Coalition (ACC) in 1995. At the time of the founding, two of them resided in Canberra and one in Brisbane. The lobby group was the brainchild of John Gagliardi, a lay leader of a large Pentecostal church in Brisbane, who stated that the vision was to create an organisation that would have influence in the political arena, on behalf of all Christians, no matter what denomination. Promotional material stated that the purpose of the groups was to make a stand against ‘humanistic legislation’ and ‘minority groups’. Gagliardi’s background was in journalism, and he held positions as Editor of the Townsville Bulletin and as anchorman for the Channel 10 news. Gagliardi had a double Masters in business and politics, he owned and operated a business in Brisbane. John McNicoll was a retired Baptist Minister turned lobbyist in Canberra before becoming involved in the Australian Christian Coalition. John Miller, who worked with a number of community and government organisations in Victoria and the Australian Capital Territory, held leadership positions within his independent, community-based church. Although the ACC board was cross denominational, according to research carried out by the Christian Research Association, the Coalition was largely supported by Pentecostals.

"Westboro Baptists" in a collar and tie (and a full set of teeth) - if you like


http://www2.celebritysmackblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/westboro-baptist-church.jpg




Mainstream, moderate Christian (and Catholic) churches in Australia have largely disassociated themselves from the lobby group

MOST bewidering, is the amount of "puff" the media give them as the "voice" of Australian Christianity

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief

You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face.

The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest. 

It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books. 

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face. The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest.  It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books.

Has the meaning of tolerance changed?
What about forgiveness?
Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone.
Mr Wallace isn't adhering to Christian beliefs, his spitting in their face.

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:50am:

Gist wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:39pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:34pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:05pm: Whether you are for or against: (1) Gay marriage (2) Abortion (3) Carbon emission impact of humans (4) Alcohol (5) Illegals (6) Aborigines You should be able to have a say without being demonised. What is demonising? It is about labelling a person as inherently evil for expressing any views you mean like you do of anyone associated with the ALP? Oh yeah. Anyone supporting the ALP is a pedophile. Just ask longidiot.  >:( I have never seen where macca has labeled anyone..for being a lefty..... an idiot maybe??? however may I suggest you read skippy and read his language when referring to anyone that dares disagree with his views...the conga line of bitches is usually picked up by others... its all a form of bullying you know? kids still do it in the playground... and now on facebook.;.. cowardly but it does work...

you should try reading with your eyes open .... it's much more enlightening

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:23am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face. The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest.  It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books.  Has the meaning of tolerance changed? What about forgiveness? Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. Mr Wallace isn't adhering to Christian beliefs, his spitting in their face.

The meaning of tolerance has been amplified by a factor of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,637.  Tolerance means accpeting the existence of something - it doesn't mean you have to like it. 

Step back for a second - he's not advocating killing every homo, or anything that is in the slightest way "extreme".  As far as I can tell he accepts that homos exist (tolerance) he just doesn't belive they have any right to the institution of marriage.  And he's right.  If I say 16 year olds have no right to drink alcohol, does it follow that I "hate" 16 year olds? 

He just opposes a phony, fabricated wedge issue that spits in the face of his beliefs - why should anyone be expected to 'tolerate" that?  THIS is why I say Tolerance is a synonym for cowardice - Only the cowardly would stand idly by while their most deeply held beliefs are pood upon. 

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:42pm: who are the ACL ... ? buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 2nd, 2011 at 5:54pm: longweekend58 wrote As a Christian I also find the ACL quite daft ... and Jim Wallace quite silly. the ACL has a place but sometimes they really DONT represent us that well. It's basically a "gang of three" inspired by American fudamentlist pentacostals Quote: Three men from different denominational affiliations and backgrounds founded the Australian Christian Coalition (ACC) in 1995. At the time of the founding, two of them resided in Canberra and one in Brisbane. The lobby group was the brainchild of John Gagliardi, a lay leader of a large Pentecostal church in Brisbane, who stated that the vision was to create an organisation that would have influence in the political arena, on behalf of all Christians, no matter what denomination. Promotional material stated that the purpose of the groups was to make a stand against ‘humanistic legislation’ and ‘minority groups’. Gagliardi’s background was in journalism, and he held positions as Editor of the Townsville Bulletin and as anchorman for the Channel 10 news. Gagliardi had a double Masters in business and politics, he owned and operated a business in Brisbane. John McNicoll was a retired Baptist Minister turned lobbyist in Canberra before becoming involved in the Australian Christian Coalition. John Miller, who worked with a number of community and government organisations in Victoria and the Australian Capital Territory, held leadership positions within his independent, community-based church. Although the ACC board was cross denominational, according to research carried out by the Christian Research Association, the Coalition was largely supported by Pentecostals. "Westboro Baptists" in a collar and tie (and a full set of teeth) - if you like http://www2.celebritysmackblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/westboro-baptist-church.jpg Mainstream, moderate Christian (and Catholic) churches in Australia have largely disassociated themselves from the lobby group MOST bewidering, is the amount of "puff" the media give them as the "voice" of Australian Christianity

thanks for that,  interesting bit of research

sound like typical loud mouth show ponies.
they should be ignored.

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:33am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:23am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face. The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest.  It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books.  Has the meaning of tolerance changed? What about forgiveness? Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. Mr Wallace isn't adhering to Christian beliefs, his spitting in their face. The meaning of tolerance has been amplified by a factor of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,637.  Tolerance means accpeting the existence of something - it doesn't mean you have to like it.  Step back for a second - he's not advocating killing every homo, or anything that is in the slightest way "extreme".  As far as I can tell he accepts that homos exist (tolerance) he just doesn't belive they have any right to the institution of marriage.  And he's right.  He just opposes a phony, fabricated wedge issue that spits in the face of his beliefs - why should anyone be expected to 'tolerate" that?  THIS is why I say Tolerance is a synonym for cowardice - Only the cowardly would stand idly by while their most deeply held beliefs are pood upon.

How are poofs pooing on Christianity?
From what I see its the so called Christians demonizing poofs & everything else that doesn't fit in the narrow little box.

Where in the new testament does it say go forth & ridicule/demonize/ostracize all who don't agree?
Or a we back at the OLD Testament & wouldn't that make him a Jew or Muslim rather than Christian?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:58am:

... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:42am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:33am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:23am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face. The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest.  It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books.  Has the meaning of tolerance changed? What about forgiveness? Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. Mr Wallace isn't adhering to Christian beliefs, his spitting in their face. The meaning of tolerance has been amplified by a factor of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,637.  Tolerance means accpeting the existence of something - it doesn't mean you have to like it.  Step back for a second - he's not advocating killing every homo, or anything that is in the slightest way "extreme".  As far as I can tell he accepts that homos exist (tolerance) he just doesn't belive they have any right to the institution of marriage.  And he's right.  He just opposes a phony, fabricated wedge issue that spits in the face of his beliefs - why should anyone be expected to 'tolerate" that?  THIS is why I say Tolerance is a synonym for cowardice - Only the cowardly would stand idly by while their most deeply held beliefs are pood upon.  How are poofs pooing on Christianity? From what I see its the so called Christians demonizing poofs & everything else that doesn't fit in the narrow little box. Where in the new testament does it say go forth & ridicule/demonize/ostracize all who don't agree? Or a we back at the OLD Testament & wouldn't that make him a Jew or Muslim rather than Christian?

You're forthing at the mouth again.  Calm down and think about whether preserving the fundamentals of marriage can really be construed as "ridicule/demonizing/ostracism."

An objective view would show that Wallace and those like him are the ones being ridiculed, ostracized and demonized.  And for what?  The "vibe" of it?  Guess what mate - that vibe is wholly manufactured to get you *ahem* "tolerant" people foaming at the mouth.  Mission accomplished. 

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:58am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:42am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:33am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:23am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:45pm: Yes especially when it is a representative of a group supposed to believe in tolerance, forgiveness and the other platitudes "Christians" use to describe their belief You, and the other 10 million people who use this line of "reasoning" have it arse about face. The concepts of "tolerance" and all poo has been corrupted by the new age religion of egalitotalitarianism.  While most have already sold out, only the real christians - the "good" christians - dare to stand up for their true beliefs.  A good christian (or anyone with any real beliefs or pricniples that didn't come straight out of a press release) doesn't let their deeply held beliefs get steamrolled without a word of protest.  It can't be easy staying true when you belong to THE most persecuted group in western societies, bar none, so I take my hat off to Mr Wallace for having the fortitude to stay true to his path.  He displays the sort of courage leftwads could only read about in books.  Has the meaning of tolerance changed? What about forgiveness? Love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, the meek shall inherit the earth, let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. Mr Wallace isn't adhering to Christian beliefs, his spitting in their face. The meaning of tolerance has been amplified by a factor of 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,637.  Tolerance means accpeting the existence of something - it doesn't mean you have to like it.  Step back for a second - he's not advocating killing every homo, or anything that is in the slightest way "extreme".  As far as I can tell he accepts that homos exist (tolerance) he just doesn't belive they have any right to the institution of marriage.  And he's right.  He just opposes a phony, fabricated wedge issue that spits in the face of his beliefs - why should anyone be expected to 'tolerate" that?  THIS is why I say Tolerance is a synonym for cowardice - Only the cowardly would stand idly by while their most deeply held beliefs are pood upon.  How are poofs pooing on Christianity? From what I see its the so called Christians demonizing poofs & everything else that doesn't fit in the narrow little box. Where in the new testament does it say go forth & ridicule/demonize/ostracize all who don't agree? Or a we back at the OLD Testament & wouldn't that make him a Jew or Muslim rather than Christian? You're forthing at the mouth again.  Calm down and think about whether preserving the fundamentals of marriage can really be construed as "ridicule/demonizing/ostracism." An objective view would show that Wallace and those like him are the ones being ridiculed, ostracized and demonized.  And for what?  The "vibe" of it?  Guess what mate - that vibe is wholly manufactured to get you *ahem* "tolerant" people foaming at the mouth.  Mission accomplished.

Where did marriage come into it?
He was talking about being a poof is more deadly than smoking.
And seeing you wish to bring marriage into it, it's not a christian belief it a pagan one stolen by Christianity like most of their other supposed holy days & rituals.

If the ACL thinks the "gay lifestyle" ( ... whatever the bugger THAT means) is SO "dangerous" ... why do they lobby governments to make it MORE "dangerous" ?





buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 1^st, 2011 at 10:00pm:

A VICTORY for COMMON SENSE and anti-RELIGIOUS ZEALOTRY http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201106/r776476_6648342.jpgi Rip & Roll - Queenslanders Stand Up to Australian Christian Lobby Media Release 1st June 2011 Healthy Communities Welcomes the Return of ‘Rip & Roll’ and Thanks Our Supporters Healthy Communities welcomes the decision of Adshel to reinstate the ‘Rip & Roll’ campaign to bus shelters across Brisbane with immediate effect. In a statement released today, Adshel CEO Steve McCarthy stated “It has now become clear that Adshel has been the target of a coordinated ACL campaign. This has led us to review our decision to remove the campaign and we will therefore reinstate the campaign with immediate effect.”“ We thank Adshel for coming to the correct decision and look forward to working with them in this and future sexual health campaigns” said Paul Martin, Healthy Communities Executive Director. “We’d also like to thank the tens of thousands of supporters who lent their voice, mainly via Facebook and Twitter, to getting the adverts reinstated.  Special appreciation must also go to Michael and his partner who appear in the advert and have been such great advocates for the gay community.” “The response to the removal of the campaign shows that the overwhelming majority of Queenslanders support the need for sexual health promotion, support the gay community and reject stigma and discrimination.” Complaints about the ‘Rip & Roll’ campaign are still to be assessed by the Advertising Standards Bureau in the coming week. http://www.qahc.org.au/rnr

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

why do they lobby governments to make it MORE "dangerous" ?

Because as politically incorrect as it is, they are the Taliban of the west.
They'd do public hangings & everything else the Taliban does if they could get away with it.
Won't be much longer & they will be doing that sh!t in the US, christian fundamentalists seem to grow in political power everyday there.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:11am:

Where did marriage come into it?

His comments were made during a debate about homorriage.  Note how nothing his opponent Milne said (apart from calling him homophobic - such a compelling argument) was reported, and no context was given.  GOTCHA! journalism at it's weakest.   


Quote:

He was talking about being a poof is more deadly than smoking.

And using the statistics that someone provided, he's right.  I wouldn't have represented it that way, but I don't know the context in which it was said.  Shame on him from bringing something more than fluffy platitudes and soundbites to a debate.  He should know logic, facts, tradition and common sense count for nothing these days. 


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And seeing you wish to bring marriage into it, it's not a christian belief it a pagan one stolen by Christianity like most of their other supposed holy days & rituals.

You're right, it's not a uniquely christian insitituion - It's a universal one.  Which makes it all the more silly to set this up as a homo vs christians thing.  It's more like homos vs everyone who ever lived!  And thanks to state and media enforced "tolerance" (cowardice) the homos are winning. 

Quote:

What's In a Name? Civil Unions and Shared Parenting The argument often used against Same Sex Marriage is that it should not be called “marriage” but rather a “civil union” – call it ANYTHING you want, just don’t call it marriage! But advocates for Same Sex Marriage simply refuse to rename it, despite such “civil unions” not really differing from marriage in anything but name. Have you ever asked yourself “why”?

http://no-maam.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/whats-in-name-civil-unions-and-shared.html

A rundown of the agenda behing homorriage.  Anything to with fairness, justice, equality?  Yeh right. 

sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k.

maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it.

its really really boring.

aquascoot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring.

By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations.

So why don't you drop the Gay marriage issue...there is no inherent right for people who live this particular lifestyle to be defined on the same terms as people who live the heterosexual lifestyle under the custom of Marriage... :) :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations.

So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why? 

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations.

47.5% Tax Rate smithy.

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?

I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites.
Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS.

Gay Marriage MEH
I couldn't care less

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?  I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites. Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS. Gay Marriage MEH I couldn't care less

Theres really no point in asking you to look at this objectively is there? 

*sigh*

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?  I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites. Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS. Gay Marriage MEH I couldn't care less

just like the ACL declaring its as a spokesperson for christians (its not)
have gay activists declared themselves spokespeople for ALL gay couples.
i would be fairly certain, a lot of gay couples are perfectly happy and dont see this as a "defining issue of our times"
they probably have a yawn about it as well

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?  I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites. Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS. Gay Marriage MEH I couldn't care less

Why is he a narrow minded bigot and a hypocrite... I don't get where you are coming from, you are not bringing anything rational to the table, just throwing meaningless words and assertions... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:58am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?  I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites. Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS. Gay Marriage MEH I couldn't care less Why is he a narrow minded bigot and a hypocrite... I don't get where you are coming from, you are not bringing anything rational to the table, just throwing meaningless words and assertions... :) :)

Why can't you & it would seem Wes understand that preaching hate, or demonizing a group or individual using the platform of Christianity a religion supposedly advocating universal love & tolerance is hypocritical?
Now if Wallace had come out & said I think gays suck(pun intended) that's fine, his entitled to believe what ever he wants, it's when he makes those statements with his ACL hat on that will make me call him a hypocrite.

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:58am: ... wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:51am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:46am: aquascoot wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 11:38am: sometimes i think these gay couples have just got too much time on their hands and are a bit bored and want to pick fights with society when your average citizen or christian for that matter couldnt give a flying f#@k. maybe if they had kids to raise instead of being stuck in drama queen role play , they wouldnt have time to go on and on and on and on about it. its really really boring. By having us concentrate on issues such as Gay marriage we remain blissfully unaware we are being arse-raped by both government & corporations. So you recognise this, yet still play along?  How?  Why?  I don't play along, it just sh!ts me when people are blatant hypocrites. Jim Wallace is not a Christian, his a narrow minded bigot using a faith to push his hate, it's gays atm but I'm sure women get a decent run as well & of course that old favourite of all religions INFIDELS or NON BELIEVERS. Gay Marriage MEH I couldn't care less Theres really no point in asking you to look at this objectively is there?  *sigh*

I thought I was

Type  s  l  o  w  l  y for me Wes

I still cant get a strait answer from the homosexual lobby what exactly they want and I dont think anyone else really knows either how to make them happy... :) :)

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:20pm:

Why can't you & it would seem Wes understand that preaching hate, or demonizing a group or individual using the platform of Christianity a religion supposedly advocating universal love & tolerance is hypocritical? Now if Wallace had come out & said I think gays suck(pun intended) that's fine, his entitled to believe what ever he wants, it's when he makes those statements with his ACL hat on that will make me call him a hypocrite.

Show me how he's "preached hate" or "demonized" anybody, then we can talk.

I thought I'd explained it a couple oif times already, so in spite of my better judgement, here we go again.

1.  He was in a debate on homorriage.  The platform is there for him to speak about homos.  He did that.
2.  His assertion is backed by ststaistics.  Is it "demonizing" or "hate" if it's true?
3.  No context was provided for the statement.
4.  You are confusing egalitotalitarinsim with christianity.  The interpretation of "tolerance" is very different between the 2 religions.  He acts in accordance with his relgiions interpretation, while you are judging him by your relgions interpretation.  This means it's not hypocrisy.
5.  It is unfair to expect people to have their deepest held beliefs trampled upon, and then blame them for uttering a whimper of protest, especially when done so within the context of a debate which is supposed to be about expressing your POV, not trying not to hurt your opponents overly-delicate feelings. 

Did I miss anything?  probably, but to me it's self evident and doesn't need to be explicitly stated.  I still find it hard to believe anyone buys this poo. 

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

If the ACL thinks the "gay lifestyle" ( ... whatever the bugger THAT means) is SO "dangerous" ... why do they lobby governments to make it MORE "dangerous" ? buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 1st, 2011 at 10:00pm: A VICTORY for COMMON SENSE and anti-RELIGIOUS ZEALOTRY http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201106/r776476_6648342.jpgi Rip & Roll - Queenslanders Stand Up to Australian Christian Lobby Media Release 1st June 2011 Healthy Communities Welcomes the Return of ‘Rip & Roll’ and Thanks Our Supporters Healthy Communities welcomes the decision of Adshel to reinstate the ‘Rip & Roll’ campaign to bus shelters across Brisbane with immediate effect. In a statement released today, Adshel CEO Steve McCarthy stated “It has now become clear that Adshel has been the target of a coordinated ACL campaign. This has led us to review our decision to remove the campaign and we will therefore reinstate the campaign with immediate effect.”“ We thank Adshel for coming to the correct decision and look forward to working with them in this and future sexual health campaigns” said Paul Martin, Healthy Communities Executive Director. “We’d also like to thank the tens of thousands of supporters who lent their voice, mainly via Facebook and Twitter, to getting the adverts reinstated.  Special appreciation must also go to Michael and his partner who appear in the advert and have been such great advocates for the gay community.” “The response to the removal of the campaign shows that the overwhelming majority of Queenslanders support the need for sexual health promotion, support the gay community and reject stigma and discrimination.” Complaints about the ‘Rip & Roll’ campaign are still to be assessed by the Advertising Standards Bureau in the coming week. http://www.qahc.org.au/rnr

I usually scroll right passed your posts due to the idiotic font usage, but I could not resist this one.

I remember an article similar to this on the ABC's The Drum supporting this poster at bus stops. I made a comment on why don't they show the 'other side' to their lifestyle. The condom in the left hand corner might look 'sexy,' but after it's covered in faecal matter is their lifestyle still 'cool'?

Of course the ABC refused to post my reply.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:34pm:

I remember an article similar to this on the ABC's The Drum supporting this poster at bus stops. I made a comment on why don't they show the 'other side' to their lifestyle. The condom in the left hand corner might look 'sexy,' but after it's covered in faecal matter is their lifestyle still 'cool'?

LOL.

What they fail to acknowledge in their fervour, is that the visceral reaction people have to devaint sex acts like say, 2 girls 1 cup, also applies to homosexuality.

People just don't want to see it.  It's not cultural, or theological - it's a dam inherent, primal instinct. 

My frien, you don't think is sexy?

Old boy faecophile would like very much!

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

1.  He was in a debate on homorriage.  The platform is there for him to speak about homos.  He did that.

Fair enough, no problem


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

2.  His assertion is backed by ststaistics.  Is it "demonizing" or "hate" if it's true?

Apparently his "Statistic" was taken in San Francisco right at the height of AIDS in the early 80's.
Now if we take a statistic that is not 25+ years old but only a year old it shows the rate of poof HIV infection to be lower than Hetro infection rate, should we now ban hetro marriage?


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

3.  No context was provided for the statement.

??


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

4.  You are confusing egalitotalitarinsim with christianity.  The interpretation of "tolerance" is very different between the 2 religions.  He acts in accordance with his relgiions interpretation, while you are judging him by your relgions interpretation.  This means it's not hypocrisy.

I don't have a religion, & tolerance means tolerance whether said by a Infidel such as myself or a God fearing Christian such as Jim.
Saying the word then acting INtolerant or preaching intolerance does make you hypocritical.


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

5.  It is unfair to expect people to have their deepest held beliefs trampled upon, and then blame them for uttering a whimper of protest, especially when done so within the context of a debate which is supposed to be about expressing your POV, not trying not to hurt your opponents overly-delicate feelings.

As we agreed before MARRIAGE is NOT a christian belief rather a idea they liked so adopted(much like the gays now want to).
Let the Gays call it marriage just don't let them use churches of religions that have problems with poofs.
Sure you can marry your boyfriend just not in a catholic church.
Simple, problem solved smacking move on.

It was never more important for parents to bring up their children knowing right from wrong so they never have to suffer the unhappiness of the homosexual lifestyle... :) :)

Trust Buzz to put up queer stuff on here.

Disgraceful!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Apparently his "Statistic" was taken in San Francisco right at the height of AIDS in the early 80's. Now if we take a statistic that is not 25+ years old but only a year old it shows the rate of poof HIV infection to be lower than Hetro infection rate, should we now ban hetro marriage?

So question the validity of his staitistic.  Put forward new statistics - just saying 'duhhh that's hate' and thinking that is a valid refutation is weak.


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

3.  No context was provided for the statement.

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I doubt he just blurted that out.  If his opponent (and I bet she did) referred to the ol' standby position, probably something along the lines of 'there is no difference betwen heteroseuxal and homosexual relationships/outcomes, it would be remiss of him not to rebut this point.  Do you even know what debate is?  The idea is to flesh out the turth, not to see who can be the most vapid, non committal, emotionally correct stooge.  I suspect this lies at the heart of the problem - the complete absence of any logical rgument for homorriage was exposed, so what else is there to do, but attack the whistele blower?  So formulaic, but so effective on the cookie cutter  drones. 


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

4.  You are confusing egalitotalitarinsim with christianity.  The interpretation of "tolerance" is very different between the 2 religions.  He acts in accordance with his relgiions interpretation, while you are judging him by your relgions interpretation.  This means it's not hypocrisy.

I don't have a religion, & tolerance means tolerance whether said by a Infidel such as myself or a God fearing Christian such as Jim.
Saying the word then acting INtolerant or preaching intolerance does make you hypocritical.
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Tolerance has limits.  Egaliatotalitarians elevate this quality to the ultimate virtue - which means if I see someone raping my wife - Tolerate it. 

Decapitate my children - tolerate it. 

Run roughshod over eveything I hold dear - tolerate it. 

See how utterly ridiculous this "tolerance as the ultimate virtue" poo is?

My bible is a little (a lot) scratchy, but I believe Jesus didn't "tolerate" the money lenders.  Theres that 'if your right eye causes yout o sin, pluck it out and cast it from thee" passage - which says to me that if you don't stand against that which is 'wrong' you are damned.  If someone or something is intolerable, it is not just your right, but your duty to oppose it.  otherwise what are you but a coward?  Cowardice or Intolernace...hmmm, a matter of individual preference I guess, but I'll take Intolerance any day of the week.


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As we agreed before MARRIAGE is NOT a christian belief rather a idea they liked so adopted(much like the gays now want to). Let the Gays call it marriage just don't let them use churches of religions that have problems with poofs. Sure you can marry your boyfriend just not in a catholic church. Simple, problem solved smacking move on.

That's precisely the reason why we can't give in.  Marriage isn't for anyone to co-opt.  Christians didn't fundamentally redefine marriage - they took its essence and adapted it to their liking. A little tinkering, a little window dressing, but the essence is preserved.  2 homos getting married fundamentally alters what marriage is - they don't, you dont, we don't have the right....and I believe a big motivating factor is just to stick it to religious people.  That's childish, puerile hatred, and thats a poor justification for accommodating their defect.  (yes, defect - lets be honest)

If you child throws a tanty becasue they want say, a lollipop, do you give it to them "just to shut them up'?  I don't - because they learn that throwing a tanty is the way to get what they want.  Stand firm , and nip that entitlement complex in the bud.

My friend, in your country, all are entitled to a lollypop at the doctor's, isn't it.

http://www.acl.org.au/2012/09/mr-jim-wallace-debates-christine-milne-on-gay-marriage-at-utas-lawfest/

Well I can't find a transcript, video or anything which gives any further info or context.  Here is Jim Wallaces address, but nothing from Milne....Though even when she does say something, it's rarely of substance or value.

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

So question the validity of his staitistic.  Put forward new statistics - just saying 'duhhh that's hate' and thinking that is a valid refutation is weak.

Isn't that what I did?

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Now if we take a statistic that is not 25+ years old but only a year old it shows the rate of poof HIV infection to be lower than Hetro infection rate, should we now ban hetro marriage?

... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Apparently his "Statistic" was taken in San Francisco right at the height of AIDS in the early 80's.

And IMO using a 25 year old stat today just because it suits your argument does border on hate.
Never let truth stand in the way of a good gay bashing



... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Tolerance has limits.  Egaliatotalitarians elevate this quality to the ultimate virtue - which means if I see someone raping my wife - Tolerate it. Decapitate my children - tolerate it. Run roughshod over eveything I hold dear - tolerate it. See how utterly ridiculous this "tolerance as the ultimate virtue" poo is? My bible is a little (a lot) scratchy, but I believe Jesus didn't "tolerate" the money lenders.  Theres that 'if your right eye causes yout o sin, pluck it out and cast it from thee" passage - which says to me that if you don't stand against that which is 'wrong' you are damned.  If someone or something is intolerable, it is not just your right, but your duty to oppose it.  otherwise what are you but a coward?  Cowardice or Intolernace...hmmm, a matter of individual preference I guess, but I'll take Intolerance any day of the week.

Your not giving examples of tolerance, your at previalling level using that tripe.
Tolerance is accepting something you might not agree with but does you no harm.
I fail to see how 2 blokes marrying will effect or harm MY lifestyle or marriage in anyway, when you or some church goer can do that IN REAL TERMS  rather than some hypothetical maybe then I will look at my attitude.


... wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

and I believe a big motivating factor is just to stick it to religious people.  That's childish, puerile hatred, and thats a poor justification for accommodating their defect.  (yes, defect - lets be honest)

Your right, of course it's to stick it to religion.
Most groups that come out from under the yolk of persecution & hate usually do try & stick it those that rode roughshod over them.
The church has been persecuting poofs for centuries oddly enough whilst practicing that which they profess as evil themselves.

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Now if we take a statistic that is not 25+ years old but only a year old it shows the rate of poof HIV infection to be lower than Hetro infection rate, should we now ban hetro marriage?

Oh I missed that - My bad.  It was advice for his debating opponent rather than yoiurself, but no matter - no such statistic exists.

pdf file - can't cut and paste, but check it out.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf


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Nationally, 80% of HIV diagnoses are men who have sex with men.

http://www.vicaids.asn.au/hiv-fact-sheet

Need I go on?


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Your not giving examples of tolerance, your at previalling level using that tripe.

Ad hom - exactly the tactics used in the article.

Forgiven.


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Tolerance is accepting something you might not agree with but does you no harm.

Nice revision.  But I can revise too:

Youths hurl bags full of poo at your house - tolerate it.

Single mum in an SUV runs over your dog - tolerate it.

It doesn't harm you does it? face it man - when you don't argue from principle, it's just a game of one-upmanship.  You fabricate a 'nice' definition of tolerance, I'll find an exception. 

PRINCIPLES - they're what the left lacks. 


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I fail to see how 2 blokes marrying will effect or harm MY lifestyle or marriage in anyway, when you or some church goer can do that IN REAL TERMS  rather than some hypothetical maybe then I will look at my attitude.

You might fail to, but Jim Wallace doesn't, and I don't either.
I note there is no onus on homos to justify the "hurt' they experience in "IN REAL TERMS  rather than some hypothetical".  Just vague refernces to nice spunding buzzwords like "tolerance" "equality" and "acceptance" will do for them. 

Double standard noted, but forgiven.


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Your right, of course it's to stick it to religion. Most groups that come out from under the yolk of persecution & hate usually do try & stick it those that rode roughshod over them. The church has been persecuting poofs for centuries oddly enough whilst practicing that which they profess as evil themselves.

You said yourself marriage isn't a christian institution.  So destroying something that applies to everyone, just to needle at a small subset is OK by you?  I believe the term is collateral damage, and I'm not cool with it.

Pakistani Bastard attends your local church - tolerate it.

I think we've reached stalemate.
You care
I don't

Perhaps you agree to tolerate each other.

I disagree!

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

I disagree!

That's not very tolerant.