Post by Gist on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:58am
Who can forget?
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Title: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by philperth2010 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:40am
Honesty is the best policy: Turnbull swipes at Abbott and 'deficit of trust'
MALCOLM TURNBULL has decried the state of political discourse in Australia, saying it had deteriorated to such an extent that the nation suffered "a deficit of trust" and there was an urgent need for honesty in politics. In comments that are bound to be construed as critical of the style of Tony Abbott, Mr Turnbull cited his own keen area of interest, the science of climate change, as a victim of what passed these days for political debate. Delivering a lecture in Perth last night, Mr Turnbull said it was an inescapable fact that greenhouse gases caused the earth to warm. "Politicians and shock jocks, scientists and coal barons, all of them can argue for as long as they like, but they cannot change the physical reality," he said. "I won't linger on climate change – the hopeless, confused, hyper-partisan nature of the debate is too well known to rehearse. Full article here..... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/honesty-is-the-best-policy-turnbull-swipes-at-abbott-and-deficit-of-trust-20120905-25ezm.html |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:48am
Urgent need for honesty in politics ... Malcolm Turnbull. Photo: Supplied
"Politicians and shock jocks, scientists and coal baro THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD when it comes to HONESTY THE BEGINNING OF THE END i WOULD SAY... Abbott as far as I can make out hasnt lied.. he just doesnt accept human caused thats all.. yes Malc.. we do need to clean up our air and our waterways and find better ways of dealing with garbage..and sewage.. for sure... no one doubts that and no one doubts that with the way we are changing at a very fast rate these days... it will all happen eventually .... and throwing money at it wont stop the bloody ice caps melting. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by philperth2010 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:51am
Tony Abbott and the faithful have no problem denying science and ignoring experts when the evidence does not support their bullshit.....One must ask the question who will Tony Abbott listen to if he becomes PM.....I suspect the door will be wide open for the Christian lobby and big business but closed to science and reality.....Abbott will be a complete disaster and Turnbull knows it!!!
::) ::) ::) Ambition drove many men to become false; to have one thought locked in the breast, another ready on the tongue. Sallust (86 BC - 34 BC), The War with Catiline |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by philperth2010 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:54am cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:48am:
Climate change is being treated with contempt by Abbott.....Direct Action is a load of crap that only an idiot would support.....Direct Action will also not work as it relies on unproven science and rubbery figures.....Yet the Conga line refuse to accept Abbott is a flake??? ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Gist on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:07am
Well, if we want to talk about DIShonesty then we should of course remember the words from Temporary Tony himself:
"Sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark." or to rephrase for you cods (because I know you have trouble remembering to the end of such a long sentence), Tony says: "I don't think twice about lying through my teeth" |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:08am
you're wasting your time,Phil, the conga line think climate change is a coniricy. it is easy to fool the stupid.
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Gist on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:11am skippy. wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:08am:
Afraid you're wrong skip. The conga line don't have the wherewithal to think anything. They just believe and rehash everything they get told by the head of the suckholes. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:40am philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:54am:
so what PROVEN science are you talking about when it comes to man made climate change phil??????????? dont forget we have already been through fudging of figures from the so called expert scientists...all sort of gone off the radar now of course.. seems to me we have two side to this coin... and it all comes down to whom you believe... phil you could blind me with science.. you really could I would be one of the idiots when it comes to understanding it.. but in this case I use common sense.. I know not every one believes in that either.. but so help me nothing will ever make me believe throwing money at GW will make it go away.. I also have to wonder.. as its the greens that are the most ardent on human caused GW.. why are they so against building more dams???? I would have thought water would be the one thing that anyone who believes the Al Gore message.. and Flannerys of course...water should be saved at all costs...yet the greens wont have a bar of dams.... I dont call anyone a flake even those that believe I find that rude and uncalled for...everyone is entitled to their opinion... just because we beg to differ doesnt mean you have to be rude. if you looked outside the box once in a while you might actually learn something.. look at what a fool Flannery has made of himself.. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by aquascoot on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:47am
shows how dumb the liberal "faceless men " are that they wont put malcolm in.
i think it would solve all their problems. he's articulate you could save a fortune not unwinding the carbon tax you could save a fortune not bringing in the rolls royce maternity leave you could save a fortune reducing nbn to fibre to the node. therefore, because its the obvious thing to do, my prediction is, they wont do it ;) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:48am Gist wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:07am:
no not really gist.... I remember quite clearly... he told us he was HUMAN....I dont know about you maybe you can claim to never ever telling a fibby...well who would believe you if it was remotely true... do you really believe gillard was a young naive little girl at 33 and a Lawyer for 8 years??? do you really believe that????? do you really believe she didnt lie when she said. THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD?????? only to back flip within 6 months.. WELL DO YOU? I prefer Abbott when he says yes he has told lies and yes he may stretch the truth... and anyone that believe no pollie would tell a lie has rocks in his head... but I can only guess you cant take the truth.... I understand with all the crap you have sucked up over 5 years and still defend.... finding someone who at least is honest in that regard would be hard for you to understand... keep on worshipping gist....she needs all the support she can get. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:49am aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:47am:
he was also Mr 17% and laughed out of town over UTEGATE by you lot... hilarious.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D you guys cant get it right can you? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Gist on Sep 6th, 2012 at 8:58am
Who can forget?
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 9:52am
I'm interested Cods, what would you call something that is paid for by taxation?
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:13am
Turnbull needs to keep his mouth shut.
The sooner this wet gets disendorsed the better. He can then follow his true calling as the Labor for Wentworth. He's a useless prick. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:16am philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:54am:
says the all mighty phil.... we say its your side that has the rubbery figures after all most of them are working for a govt somewhere and rely on getting the right answer to get their pay.... like your ego skippy you descend to rudeness to bully people into thinking like yourself.. well we shall see wont we... I have seen it so many times through the years where scientists come back and say we got it wrong... some time pure catastrophe is the result.. I would go along with you if this phenomenon had never happened before in the millions of years the world has been evolving.. you and your scientist friends might like to take on board that the world is STILL EVOLVING.. it will never stop evolving..just as one star bursts another appears... I like to think there is a reason for everything that I dont understand...and no I dont understand Mother Nature do you?.. and dont tell me any scientist does either. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Gist on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:17am Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:13am:
Then he's a useless prick with both a brain and a large following. But that's fine... you stick with that useful prick with no brain and even less support. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by aquascoot on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:29am Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:13am:
nah, malcolms blue blood liberal, macquarie bank, media , barrister. tones the labor stooge, trainee priest, big spending, thinks government should fix the carbon problem, doesnt do research before he opens mouth. it is no surprise he is down with jules, as popular as herpes, their personalities (or lack there of) are in perfect sync. i remember thinking that years ago when they used to be on kochies morning show together. i thought they were going to hold hands on the couch :) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:35am Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 9:52am:
not sure that I understand that smithy... if you are asking do I believe in taxation of course I do... I visit a hospital... its paid for out of taxes and I appreciate that.. what would I call something that is paid for by taxation??? a tax funded necessity???????.. I dont know what you mean..are you saying I am complaining about TAXES??????..I am past doing that old bean. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:36am
Here's an idea Shane,
Instead of Turnbull leaving the party he has been a member of since the 70's (probably longer than Tone) Why don't you & Tone & the rest of you piss poor imitations of the GOP bugger off & form your own CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE Party? That would leave the LIBERAL PARTY to funnily enough LIBERALS, not parasitic conservatives who know they'd have no hope on their own. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:38am cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:35am:
No Cods not implying anything, just asking a question I'll ask it again with a little more clarity, Would you consider something funded by taxation a tax? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:40am aquascoot wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:29am:
why do you lefties undermine someone who had tried another career??? what is it with you people.. do you really think someone who has done nothing but be a union rep.. or be a professional politician...is the way we should elect people to high office???. I dont have a problem with anyone be they doctors lawyers or road fixers... as long as they are intelligent..and honest...honesty is something I put above most other things.. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:47am Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:38am:
well look at it this way smithy... every thing the govt spends is a TAX..oh sneaky I know.. like rego for one.. even speeding fines to me its all TAX.. so I cant think of one thing the govt does that they dont use TAXES for..so I guess the answer is yes.. I have always said a TAX IS A TAX IS A TAX no matter what you call it..a levy by any other name is a TAX its what they do with it that bothers me.. so what point are you making smithy?????. can you tell me where the govt gets money from that isnt a TAX on someone or something? who spends TAXES? as far as I know its only the govts of the day sadly in the case of the present one.. we are not getting good value. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:49am Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:36am:
ugh! how ugly is that tirade? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:56am cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:47am:
Then how can Tony tell you he will not have a carbon tax when his direct action is funded by taxation? Is Tony being honest, after all not 10 minutes ago you posted cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:40am:
AS for this cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:49am:
Truth is often ugly, which is why it is avoided. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:59am
Direct action is not always funded by taxation.
I can tell you this from experience. There is a hydro facility outside of Haifa that was built by the Government to improve energy delivery away from traditional source. It was not funded from taxes. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:06pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:59am:
We are not in Israel, Direct Action Australia is funded solely by the Australian Government though taxation. Revenue may come into it once developed but full start up costs are funded by my tax $$$ |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by John Smith on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:12pm
turnbulls getting ready to challenge me thinks !!!!!
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:21pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
I am not telling you that you are. There is no reason Australia could not invest in the same technology and it does not come from taxes. To use taxes is a easy way out and you are not being truthful saying it always costs taxes. It does not. No matter which country it is. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:29pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:21pm:
Don't you understand English? My posts acknowledges that revenue may come into it but Liberal policy is to fund the start up from General revenue. Funniest thing is no tax $$ are being used with Labors CARBON TAX, yet only Tax Dollars are being used by the man promising to abolish the Carbon Tax. ;D |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:32pm
what about grants?
Funded private investment? All of this can come from before the facility is operational? Toyota part funded the hydro facility in Haifa to use water for energy. None of this came from taxes. I think a tax on people for climate action is absurd - from any political party. It is not the people who should pay for any of this. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:35pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:29pm:
We have looked at this tax in the university economics classes and the costs to pay for the penalizing of the larger companies will be passed on to the consumer in Australia. So they pay no tax $$ but they will eventually be paying for this change. The average aussie in the street will pay for the climate action plan. That is not in doubt. I am saying that this should not happen - no $$ from direct action and no $$ from added cost because of a penalty to providers. There are other ways and it is lazy to not look at them. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:39pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
You are right And with the current Labor policy none are However it becomes a different story if the Libs win & get rid of Labors non tax. Like I said Funny, if it didn't actually reveal how glaringly thick the average Aussie must be going on polls. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:41pm
Yes they are.
The carbon tax penalizing the polluters will be passed to the consumer in increased prices and the australian consumer will pay for their penalty this way. So both of your political parties are having your everyday person pay for the cost of climate change - one by passing the costs in bills and living. The other - if they choose direct action by tax - in taxes. However look this way - if they choose direct action by tax - if they dont increase your taxes you see no difference. But with your current Government plan - you are paying more on top? Yes? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
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True the consumer will pay but has the choice, as the market will decide if companies that just pass on the full increase continue to be patronized or if companies that change practice to mitigate costs & therefore are cheaper will win. I know who I'm backing. Also whilst the consumer might not notice a cost funded by tax they will sure notice when services currently funded by that money disappear or cost more. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:48pm
how does the consumer have the choice when all electricity companies will increase their cost?
When the price of gas will increase across the companies? They dont have a choice when all of them increase do they? Be honest, costs will increase as a result of your Government's scheme. I have the scheme in the workbook in front of me from our economics discussions in university - it will cost the australian consumer. Now if you do direct action - you only see the increase if they increase tax. If they don't you are not worse than when you began - they simply make room in the budget cutting elsewhere yes? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:49pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:44pm:
It depends what you cut. If you cut foreign aid - how do you notice the difference? You give a lot of foreign aid out. What about in some of your expenditure to politicians? What about cutting back what you give to the UN? There are lots of programs you can cut without hurting your citizens. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:51pm
I should add i dont support Governments taking direct action funded by tax.
I am in favor of the private enterprise schemes which i have mentioned. But i am more in favor of direct action which does not see a tax increase or a increase in cost of living. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:59pm
I se the Jewish sock is commenting in Australian domestic issues, AGAIN, even after claiming she never did. ::)
ACTUALLY can Jews have sox? Brit Milah and all. :D Lucky this is a pretend Jew. ::) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:04pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:49pm:
LOL, we give under the average FA But besides that little detail both parties have pledged to increase FA to above the International Average 0.5% of GNI is the stated bipartisan target. But nothing like getting the racists & xenophobes riled up. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by chicken_lipsforme on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:15pm
Poor Mal.
He's never gotten over being removed as leader of the opposition, and that he is 'yesterdays man' trying to get his dial in the media. He should do his long suffering electorate and party a favour and follow his true calling which is being leader of the ALP. He must think he'll be missed by the Coalition if he walks away or something. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:17pm chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:15pm:
Yet in EVERY poll taken the overwhelming majority of voters want Turnbull to lead the Libs. How do you explain that chookster? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:26pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
Well in my area we are supplied by 2 companies, 1 passed on a 18% increase the other passed on a 11% increase. Which 1 is seeing a spike in new customers do you think? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:33pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:13am:
Yes, Shane B, but even Matty won't put his full support behind Mr Abbott. He declines to answer whether he is 100% behind Mr Abbott. Thoughts? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:41pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:33pm:
LOL good luck with any of those . |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:04pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:26pm:
why should a consumer have to pay anything at all for climate policies? I am not in favor of a consumer paying a single dime for it. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:10pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:04pm:
Does the consumer live within the climate? Nothing in this world is free, there is always a cost. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:11pm
Not always.
Private investment is the best way. Why should consumer pay for increases? No i do not agree. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Avram Horowitz on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:14pm
You need to be strong.
You need to say - this is why we should not pay. There should be private investment. If there is to be taxes to fund - then take from other areas which do not harm your country or the citizens. I don't have a Aussie political view on your parties, it is not my say - but i do have a view on climate change. It should be the world's worst polluters who must take the most action and then other countries work to provide private investment. I just gave you one example of the Hydro plant funded by Toyota. I know several others, my uncle's company is a major investor in a wind power generation funded by investment, USA grants and from Government land lease. No tax, no price increase. Just energy. You are taking the easy option and hitting the taxpayer in both your ideas. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:35pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
Neither is MY option It is the choice I am faced with. I'll take a developed plan over a stupid pipe dream of no cost from a fool. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:11pm skippy. wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:41pm:
Shane B is a qualified economist, Skippy. He's paid good money to have thoughts. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by chicken_lipsforme on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:56pm skippy. wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 1:17pm:
Because Mal is 'nice', and Abbott is effective. And being 'not nice' and effective beats 'nice' and ineffective every day of the week in my book. Mal portrayed himself very well when he was the Opposition leader, but he couldn't make headway against the worst Labor government in modern times. Abbott is another story though. Mal looks good, but can't do the job. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:59pm
Maybe. Abbott does a marvellous job as opposition leader.
But the question is whether he will do a good job as PM. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
I think he'll be a fine Prime Minister. It's always difficult presenting your views and persona from the opposition. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:11pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
Yet the voters want Turnbull, no matter what spin you put it on it, Abbott is hated even more than a person the conga line of suckholes call the worst PM in history. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by adelcrow on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:13pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
Lets hope we never find out |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:16pm skippy. wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:11pm:
Left wingers like Turnbull, that's why his rating for preferred PM is higher. It's all a ruse though as they would never vote for him. Turnbull's beat chance of becoming PM is quitting and joining Labor. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by adelcrow on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:19pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:16pm:
The polls say Turnbull and you fellas wanted a new election based on the polls so why not listen to them now? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:20pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
How are you unsure on Abbott's views or his persona? Been under a rock for the past 15 years? Everyone but you seems to know his ideas on CT, MRRT & Maternity leave it's just when pressed further than "scrap the tax" or we will cover salaries to 150K he gets shakey, I mean it's not as if he hasn't had the opportunity to be heard. On breakfast telly every 2nd morning, at a small business everyday, do you really think no one would turn up & report a presser if he called one, ESPECIALLY if it was to cover his policy instead of cry about Labor? No Shane what you've posted is yet another weak excuse for the hollow-man that is Abbott. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by adelcrow on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:22pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:20pm:
The neo cons conveniently ignore Abbotts political career when he was a govt minister. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:25pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
What do you think of his economic policies, Shane? He'll be in charge of all you Canberra economists when he gets in. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:30pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 11:56am:
he is talking about either taking out of taxes we already pay... or he was talking taxing BIG business.. no more no less than what gillard did when she slammed half the nation with flood levy..[read tax] its like everything else and what I said smithy its what they spend it on that bothers me..like funding half bn school in Indonesia.. no thank you... in fact I resent every penny we give that nation...and this lot cant wait to give them more. as for the tirade.. like most other things was it justified?????????..it did more damage to you than the other party and its good to know that how you really think and feel..a couple of times you have done the same thing and then made out it was some kind of joke..... now we know the TRUTH dont we.. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm
Matty hates Mr Turnbull, Cods. When he comes back to Australia, he'll probably back Mr Abbott 100%.
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:25pm:
I don't support Abbott's direct action plan on global warming - this is expensive and will achieve nothing. I don't sipport paid maternity leave paid for a tax on large business. We shouldn't be susbsidising peoples' lifestyle choices. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:33pm
Right. So he doesn't have your support as party leader?
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:33pm adelcrow wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:13pm:
you have spelt it out.. YOU ARE ALL SCARED WITLESS HE WILL BE A GOOD PM.. THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY FOR 5 years.. NO GOOD OLD AUSSIE SPIRIT WITH YOU MISERABLE LOT IS THERE?.. did your FAIR GO get up and LEAVE? >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:34pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm:
whats matty got to do with anything... |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:35pm
SHAME LABOR SHAME.
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:36pm philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 7:40am:
THE EMBARRASMENT OF VOTING LIBERAL IS SOMETHING THE KIDS WILL READ ABOUT AND CONDEMN THEIR OLDIES FOR IN THE FUTURE.... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:36pm cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:34pm:
He's currently in New Zealand, but when he gets back he intends to run for the Liberal Party. This could change the numbers for Mr Abbott. Remember, Mr Abbott only got in by one vote. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:37pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm:
Shano is so compromised! We shouldn't be subsiding lifestyle choices is it shano??????????????????????????????????????????// ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:39pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:33pm:
we are not sheep on the right karnal just as well you left the knowledge part off that ID.. I am with shane regarding paid maternity leave as well.. we give this generation enough..they are worse than any welfare group they really are.. maybe if you didnt agree with the messiah on everything that comes our of her mouth... you would have a different perspective as well.. just because someone us on here or Turnbull doesnt agree with everything that Abbott does.. doesnt mean we dont want him as the Leader.. Abbott doesnt need his boots licked every morning. like some do.I am sure he would prefer honesty to lies and back stabbing. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:39pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:11pm:
Investment, lol... the jews love anything involving that word investment!!! :o :o :o :o |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by cods on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:40pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:36pm:
I know he is in NZ but its the first I have heard of him running he would need to join the Liberal Party first..and then win preference... so dont make things up about him pleaseeeeeeeeeee.. so childish. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:42pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:14pm:
lol,..... jews love that word investment! As for the tax bit: ya tax what doesn't move!! Otherwise you are promoting inefficency in the tax regime!! |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by dsmithy70 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:44pm cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:30pm:
Then how does the bipartisan support to increase foreign aid sit with you? cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:30pm:
I don't think I've ever denied that I am a arrogant son of a bitch, in fact I wear it as a badge of honour. I have very little time for fools, which probably explains my low tolerance for most politicians today, especially Abbott & his bunch of deceitful clowns. Sometime I go overboard but as you know personally I will admit my mistake & apologize to those i have upset or offended. Don't bother with the usual comeback to the deceitful clown remark, I know it, I acknowledge it, but Abbott is lying to you, you know & fail to acknowledge it. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:45pm cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:39pm:
Woof Woof? She hardly posts here anymore. She's a single mother from Queensland. Personally, I find Shane B's analysis much more sober and level-headed. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:45pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 2:35pm:
avram and his crew are chess champions: they think that you-the-citizen are forever bound to play on the monotonous exponential investment chess board which they have, btw, cornered! EFFICIENCY BREEDS SUCCESS!! |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:46pm cods wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:40pm:
You shouldn't be so negative, Cods. They said similar things about Mr Howard once too. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Maqqa on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:49pm
Going through this thread - it seems the lefties are jumping on this like dogs fighting over a bone
Is this the best the left can come up with to discredit Abbott? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:53pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:49pm:
no need for us to discredit the prick he manages that every day himself. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:53pm Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:33pm:
Yes he does, you don't have to agree on everything. I support the need to return to a broad economic reform agenda, and support the Shadow Treasurer's recent comments that a new inquiry into Australia's financial system is overdue. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Maqqa on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:55pm skippy. wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:53pm:
IS this why they are ahead by 10 points on the 2PP? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:56pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:49pm:
maqqa is so embarrassed! |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:57pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:55pm:
Lol, where is the betting market at??????????????????????? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:58pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:57pm:
Coalition odds on to win. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:03pm
Can you bet on individual members? How about candidates for preselection?
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:06pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:58pm:
Give us the numbers buddy: you dodgy libs don't like giving out numbers do ya!! |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by skippy. on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:11pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:55pm:
NO. It is why Gillard, someone you call the worst PM in history, is ahead of I'll do anything for power phony tony. The phony tony catch cry is I'll do anything for power, yes, even that. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Shane B on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:13pm BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:06pm:
Here: Coalition $1.18, Labor $4.50 http://centrebet.com/#Sports/Event/2062830 |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Karnal on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:15pm
I haven't seen any polls on Matty yet. Maybe Mr Turnbull is right.
Political discussion these days can be so irrelevant. |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by aquascoot on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:22pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:13pm:
i'll take the quinella |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:32pm
Alright, we have numbers!
Who's putting the sheep station on what?????? |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by philperth2010 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 5:53pm Shane B wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:32pm:
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by philperth2010 on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:00pm Maqqa wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 4:49pm:
It was Turnbull who came up with it Macca so I fail to see where you get the left trying to discredit Abbott.....Don't blame me for Turnbull criticizing Tony Abbott.....You deny everything don't you Macca....Are you Tony Abbott??? ::) ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Maqqa on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:04pm philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
ffs phil Turnbull is not saying anything new hear QT have always been a farce regardless who is in government the fact that lefties are latching onto it to have a go at Abbott is desperation |
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Title: Re: Turnbull swipes at Abbott Post by Deathridesahorse on Sep 6th, 2012 at 6:05pm
maqqa doesn't know whether he is arthur or marthur!
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