i can't recall one.

Hiding labor corruption.

Paying back the unions.

As opposed to liberal success in the past?
What successes do you think the libs will have if they win next term?

The word 'success' is a subjective one sprint.
I'm sure the Labor/Greens lot will use a very different assessment tool to the rest of us. :)

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

i can't recall one.

If they had, would you recall it? Would you even acknowledge it?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:18pm:

i can't recall one.

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Australian economy leads the world Jessica Wright April 18, 2012 . http://www.bobsmeat.com/Portals/0/BlueRibbon.jpg Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF - which issued its World Economic Outlook in Washington overnight - said it expected the Australian economy to expand by 3 per cent this year as fiscal tensions from Europe and the United States continue to ease. The body stated that after a major setback last year with the Eurozone crisis, the global prospect of far more stable financial conditions was gradually improving. The update said that it expects the Australian economy will outstrip growth over all other advanced economies over the next two years, noting we live in a region where exposure to troubled European banks was less than for other parts of the world. But it also warned that Australia was exposed to risk if economic conditions in the Middle East caused another oil price spike. The organisation revised up its global growth forecasts, with the global economy expected to grow by 3.5 per cent in 2012, up from 3.3 per cent in the January update. A forecast of global growth of 4.1 per cent in 2013 has also been revised up from 3.9 per cent. Global growth continues to be underpinned by solid growth in Asia, the report said. China's economy was expected to grow 8.2 per cent in 2012 and 8.8 per cent in 2013, while India was expected to grow 6.9 per cent in 2012 and 7.3 per cent in 2013. These forecasts were broadly unchanged from the IMF's January update. The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" The government has hit out at Opposition leader Tony Abbott for ''getting it wrong'' on the IMF growth forecasts. During a morning doorstop, Mr Abbott said the IMF report showed the local economy was ''underperforming'', as they had downgraded the economic growth forecast. ''It forecasts 3 per cent for the current financial year and it looks like we are going to get 2 per cent,'' Mr Abbott said. ''This is an underperforming economy and it's underperforming because of the poor economic management of the current government.'' But Mr Abbott's assertion was not correct, according to a spokesman for the Treasurer, who said the growth forecast of 3 per cent in 2012 had been the same since the start of the year. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html#ixzz1sRHuTZEi

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

Quote: Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" i It's ALL in the GROUNDWORK ... OECD praise for Canberra's stimulus package Tim Colebatch September 17, 2009. THE Federal Government has won glowing support for its controversial economic stimulus, with the Western world's leading think tank saying the strategy will save up to 200,000 jobs. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's annual employment outlook says Australia will be one of the Western countries to suffer least in the global financial crisis. And it says the Government's stimulus has already had a strong effect in cushioning the downturn, undermining Opposition attacks on the size of the program. Its data shows Australia spends just 0.01 per cent of GDP on training its unemployed - the equal lowest in the OECD along with Mexico and the Czech and Slovak republics. They show the Howard government cut spending on active labour market programs in its last two years as the skills shortage became more acute. By contrast, the OECD report singles out the Rudd Government's stimulus measures for praise. It estimates Australia's stimulus has been the third largest in the Western world at 5.4 per cent of GDP, exceeded only by Korea (6.1) and the US (5.7). ''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says. http://www.theage.com.au/business/oecd-praise-for-canberras-stimulus-package-20090916-froi.html#ixzz1sRapvr8k

Quote:

..........''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says.............

true, they spent a lot of money

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

The word 'success' is a subjective one sprint. I'm sure the Labor/Greens lot will use a very different assessment tool to the rest of us. :)

What metric would you use?????  ::) ::) ::)  :-?

Successful at running up debt and deficits.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:28pm:

Quote: ..........''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says............. true, they spent a lot of money

I'll take that as a "no" to my question then - which is hardly surprising.

Hey! I got that photo of you, AP, lolly and Sean processed. Here ya go:

http://www.ipltracker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/male-cheerleaders.jpg

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:28pm:

Quote: ..........''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says............. true, they spent a lot of money

... and given the PREMIUM RESULT - worth EVERY CENT !!!

I hardly think so.

Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon...

Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ......

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE  .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ...

That's true, but unfortunately it looks like we may get him at the next election anyway.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

I hardly think.

I've amended your quote to what you meant to say, no need to thank me

TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE  .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ... That's true, but unfortunately it looks like we may get him at the next election anyway.

nahhh, I don't see it .... the libs will have a leadership challenge before the next election ... they just cannot afford to keep all of Abbotts promises

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:10pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE  .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ... That's true, but unfortunately it looks like we may get him at the next election anyway. nahhh, I don't see it .... the libs will have a leadership challenge before the next election ... they just cannot afford to keep all of Abbotts promises

I hope you're right.

lol, the Ninja keyboard warrior strikes again!

You are harsh on Gillard

Her one and only success is knifing Rudd - even then she could get that right either and he rose to challenge her again

Maqqa wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

You are harsh on Gillard Her one and only success is knifing Rudd - even then she could get that right either and he rose to challenge her again

she had a bad teacher ... she watched abbott do it to turnbull first, and copied him  ... if she had checked she would have noticed Turnbull was still waiting for his chance to give the knife back ... I'll give him one thing, he's a very patient man , but times running out for abbott ....

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 1:18pm: i can't recall one. buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:14am: Australian economy leads the world Jessica Wright April 18, 2012 . http://www.bobsmeat.com/Portals/0/BlueRibbon.jpg Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF - which issued its World Economic Outlook in Washington overnight - said it expected the Australian economy to expand by 3 per cent this year as fiscal tensions from Europe and the United States continue to ease. The body stated that after a major setback last year with the Eurozone crisis, the global prospect of far more stable financial conditions was gradually improving. The update said that it expects the Australian economy will outstrip growth over all other advanced economies over the next two years, noting we live in a region where exposure to troubled European banks was less than for other parts of the world. But it also warned that Australia was exposed to risk if economic conditions in the Middle East caused another oil price spike. The organisation revised up its global growth forecasts, with the global economy expected to grow by 3.5 per cent in 2012, up from 3.3 per cent in the January update. A forecast of global growth of 4.1 per cent in 2013 has also been revised up from 3.9 per cent. Global growth continues to be underpinned by solid growth in Asia, the report said. China's economy was expected to grow 8.2 per cent in 2012 and 8.8 per cent in 2013, while India was expected to grow 6.9 per cent in 2012 and 7.3 per cent in 2013. These forecasts were broadly unchanged from the IMF's January update. The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" The government has hit out at Opposition leader Tony Abbott for ''getting it wrong'' on the IMF growth forecasts. During a morning doorstop, Mr Abbott said the IMF report showed the local economy was ''underperforming'', as they had downgraded the economic growth forecast. ''It forecasts 3 per cent for the current financial year and it looks like we are going to get 2 per cent,'' Mr Abbott said. ''This is an underperforming economy and it's underperforming because of the poor economic management of the current government.'' But Mr Abbott's assertion was not correct, according to a spokesman for the Treasurer, who said the growth forecast of 3 per cent in 2012 had been the same since the start of the year. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html#ixzz1sRHuTZEi buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:31am: Quote: Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" i It's ALL in the GROUNDWORK ... OECD praise for Canberra's stimulus package Tim Colebatch September 17, 2009. THE Federal Government has won glowing support for its controversial economic stimulus, with the Western world's leading think tank saying the strategy will save up to 200,000 jobs. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's annual employment outlook says Australia will be one of the Western countries to suffer least in the global financial crisis. And it says the Government's stimulus has already had a strong effect in cushioning the downturn, undermining Opposition attacks on the size of the program. Its data shows Australia spends just 0.01 per cent of GDP on training its unemployed - the equal lowest in the OECD along with Mexico and the Czech and Slovak republics. They show the Howard government cut spending on active labour market programs in its last two years as the skills shortage became more acute. By contrast, the OECD report singles out the Rudd Government's stimulus measures for praise. It estimates Australia's stimulus has been the third largest in the Western world at 5.4 per cent of GDP, exceeded only by Korea (6.1) and the US (5.7). ''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says. http://www.theage.com.au/business/oecd-praise-for-canberras-stimulus-package-20090916-froi.html#ixzz1sRapvr8k

how lame is this latest Buzzard embarrassment? Even this is an examplog of labor incompetence.  Australia had the worlds bext economy in 2007 but by a far wider margin. Hardly a success. The best you could say is that they didnt TOTALLY stuff it up.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

As opposed to liberal success in the past? What successes do you think the libs will have if they win next term?

well without a crystal ball you had better ask gillard for hers as she is now making promises for the year 2020...LOL..

however Howard did free East Timor..

he did stop the pillaging of the waterfront..has anyone noticed its been very quite on the waterfront ever since..

of course that took backbone... not money...like this lot like to throw around...

TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon...

had all of that bar the carbon price in 2007 - and better. lower unemployment and higher economic growth.

gold_medal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon... had all of that bar the carbon price in 2007 - and better. lower unemployment and higher economic growth.

nope, all three were higher when Howard left office ....

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how lame is this latest Buzzard embarrassment? Even this is an examplog of labor incompetence.  Australia had the worlds bext economy in 2007 but by a far wider margin. Hardly a success. The best you could say is that they didnt TOTALLY stuff it up. [/quote]

no we didn't we were in the top 5, but never FIRST

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

gold_medal wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:14pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon... had all of that bar the carbon price in 2007 - and better. lower unemployment and higher economic growth. nope, all three were higher when Howard left office ....

unemployment was 3.9%. current it is 5.4% economic growth was also higher than it is currently. And I will give you the inflation one because fast growing economies often have to deal with inflation. and interest rates are only lower now because the economy is sluggish - not exactly something to crow about.

try again - this time with facts.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

how lame is this latest Buzzard embarrassment? Even this is an examplog of labor incompetence.  Australia had the worlds bext economy in 2007 but by a far wider margin. Hardly a success. The best you could say is that they didnt TOTALLY stuff it up. [/quote]

no we didn't we were in the top 5, but never FIRST[/quote]

actually not true. and by the way, there is no premiership table for economies that you can call upon. They are dubbed this by fairly debatably consensus or opinion among some organisations.


and your rather nebulous 'in the top 5' is the same as saying that Hawthorn are 'in the top 5'.
try again.

how lame is this latest Buzzard embarrassment? Even this is an examplog of labor incompetence.  Australia had the worlds bext economy in 2007 but by a far wider margin. Hardly a success. The best you could say is that they didnt TOTALLY stuff it up.




another retailer going into receivership today OJAY been in business for 40 years something like that...

the trouble is GM.. people like buzz are rusted on they believe every silver platitude that comes out of swans mouth..whe says its the BEST IN THE WORLD>>


have either of them taken a GOOD LOOK AT THE REST OF THE WORLD???????


we should HAVE NO DEBT... the mining bonanza has only just started  to slow down.. they have had five long years of massive money coming into this country..........

and what do they do they waste most of it..and then they borrow to cover it all up...

now as you will noticed!!!! but dont expect buzz to... all we get are promises that could eventuate in the year 2020.. assuming they ever get off the ground that is..


now where is all this money going??????????????

as I realize it is still pouring in from the mining sector.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ......

OK john why the fear of ABBOTT??? what do you see him doing that will change your life so badly..that you sound as if you will up and leave for .....mmmmmm Somalia or Syria anywhere but here with Abbott as PM..

you have to asmit john we have seen the socalled BEST of Labor.. and look at us..we have a mining sector the envy of the world.. yet we are in debt up to our collective eyeballs...we even have gillard making promises for the year 2014/2020...after seeking a report on education... oh thats right it isnt in that direstraights it cant wait a year or 8...

sorry if that sounds harsh... but are you telling me Abbott would be worse than this????

dont forget he has never been leader...and was not even deputy PM like gillard was... she has no excuses.. sorry.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:10pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE  .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ... That's true, but unfortunately it looks like we may get him at the next election anyway. nahhh, I don't see it .... the libs will have a leadership challenge before the next election ... they just cannot afford to keep all of Abbotts promises

Shame lying twice doesnt work.

The spending seems to have bought them a few voting points.

here's one of their forays ......


Quote:

PUBLIC spending on indigenous Australia jumped to $25.4 billion in just two years amid a growing debate over whether the cash is improving education, health and employment for 575,000 people. A surge in school funding tops the spending increases revealed in a federal government analysis that shows total outlays have risen to $44,128 for every indigenous person.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous-spend-topping-25bn/story-fn59niix-1226464295279

and to what benefit ?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

here's one of their forays ...... Quote: PUBLIC spending on indigenous Australia jumped to $25.4 billion in just two years amid a growing debate over whether the cash is improving education, health and employment for 575,000 people. A surge in school funding tops the spending increases revealed in a federal government analysis that shows total outlays have risen to $44,128 for every indigenous person. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous-spend-topping-25bn/story-fn59niix-1226464295279 and to what benefit ?

they get GIVEN nearly the average wage and what do they have to show for it? one of the most primitive and under-achieving cultures on earth.

great investment, aint it?

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Their biggest success as far as I'm concerned is THEY KEPT ABBOTT OUT OF THE PM'S OFFICE .... we all have to be eternally grateful for that. ...... OK john why the fear of ABBOTT??? what do you see him doing that will change your life so badly..that you sound as if you will up and leave for .....mmmmmm Somalia or Syria anywhere but here with Abbott as PM..

if abbott removes carbon and mining taxes, and still plans to keep all his spending promises,  how does he plan on paying for them? cut services? he can't just cut services he will have to eliminate services altogether .... governments job is to set this country up for the future ... you can't do that without infrastructure spending or long term plans .. abbott just has a plan for the election ..... he supports the same reductions in CO2 gasses as lab, but his plan will cost 3 to 4 times as much with that money coming out of other services. Abbott gets in and we're heading for recession ... you can guarantee it

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

you have to asmit john we have seen the socalled BEST of Labor.. and look at us..we have a mining sector the envy of the world.. yet we are in debt up to our collective eyeballs...we even have gillard making promises for the year 2014/2020...after seeking a report on education... oh thats right it isnt in that direstraights it cant wait a year or 8... sorry if that sounds harsh... but are you telling me Abbott would be worse than this???? dont forget he has never been leader...and was not even deputy PM like gillard was... she has no excuses.. sorry.

you forget a small matter called the GFC. ...

no government around the world has been able to do what Gillard has given the circumstances of the global economy .. just because you lead a sheltered life  you don't realise just how bad it is in some countries .

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:

another retailer going into receivership today OJAY been in business for 40 years something like that... the trouble is GM.

Genetic modification ?



I thought Ojay went "bust" because they couldn't pay their "carbon tax" ?iVeteran fashion retailer Ojay collapses
04 September 2012
Cara Waters


Fashion retailer Ojay has collapsed, with David Coyne and Gideon Rathner of Lowe Lippmann appointed as administrators.

Ojay's administration is yet another blow to the fashion industry and follows the recent liquidation of Frat House and the collapse last year of Brown Sugar, Grab Jeans, Belinda International and Bettina Liano.

The fashion retailer was founded in 1976 and has stores in Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and Western Australia, as well as being sold in David Jones.

Coyne said it was too early to reveal details of the administration.

Ojay reduced its prices by 40% last year but the move was not enough to address the fashion retailer's problems.

A spokesperson for Ojay had no comment.

David Gordon, retail specialist at WHK, said the collapse was "very sad news" for the retail sector.

"Ojay were veterans of the apparel game in Australia, with a very good reputation," says Gordon.

"I suppose you would say this is probably quite a telling indication of the impact of the quick-fashion low-price entrants into the market because their product is mostly after-five wear."

Gordon says Ojay did not have a presence with stockists such as Myer or wholesale, which would have made the business "extremely vulnerable".




http://www.leadingcompany.com.au/news/veteran-fashion-retailer-ojay-collapses/201209042333

gold_medal wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:17pm: gold_medal wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:14pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon... had all of that bar the carbon price in 2007 - and better. lower unemployment and higher economic growth. nope, all three were higher when Howard left office .... unemployment was 3.9%. current it is 5.4% economic growth was also higher than it is currently. And I will give you the inflation one because fast growing economies often have to deal with inflation. and interest rates are only lower now because the economy is sluggish - not exactly something to crow about. try again - this time with facts.

unemployment was 3.9%. current it is 5.4%

Both numbers are incorrect

Has the rudd/gillard govt had a success?

They got rid of the least honest government we ever had.

They kept the Abbnott disaster out of government.

failure on brown coal power stations

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:35am:

failure on brown coal power stations

how so? were you expecting immediate results from the carbon tax? who told you that? Bolty?

the ALP said they would close them down.
Now they won't and they have given the brown coal stations $1B.

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 4:47pm:

Maqqa wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:41pm: You are harsh on Gillard Her one and only success is knifing Rudd - even then she could get that right either and he rose to challenge her again she had a bad teacher ... she watched abbott do it to turnbull first, and copied him  ... if she had checked she would have noticed Turnbull was still waiting for his chance to give the knife back ... I'll give him one thing, he's a very patient man , but times running out for abbott ....

Time running out?
Abbott hasn't even begun.

Dnarever wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 9:59pm:

gold_medal wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:20pm: John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:17pm: gold_medal wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 6:14pm: TheGreenLight wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Low unemployment, low interest rates and iflation. Putting a price on carbon... had all of that bar the carbon price in 2007 - and better. lower unemployment and higher economic growth. nope, all three were higher when Howard left office .... unemployment was 3.9%. current it is 5.4% economic growth was also higher than it is currently. And I will give you the inflation one because fast growing economies often have to deal with inflation. and interest rates are only lower now because the economy is sluggish - not exactly something to crow about. try again - this time with facts. unemployment was 3.9%. current it is 5.4% Both numbers are incorrect

DNA has correctly pointed out that Longy 's statement was incorrect.

However, the OZ unemployment rate did hit a low of 3.9% in early 2008, shortly after Labor took office and that has since been the low point of Unemployment. Being within a couple of months of the Liberals exiting office, I would still attribute them with the 3.9% low, as insufficient time had passed, for the set trend to change.

Unemployment then started to rise, as the GFC took off & it Peaked around 5.8% in July 2009, before declining to 4.9% in January 2011.

Since January 2011 the Unemployment rate has "traded" between 4.9-5.3%, which is a relatively small range and still low by historical figures over the last 30 years or so, which can also be viewed at the following site. The figure, immediately prior to the recent announce, was at 5.2% and it has now gone down to 5.1%.

As I have said previously, Baby Boomer retirements are playing a substantial part in both the "Unemployment rate" & the "Participation rate" and that will continue for several decades.

With the Boomer generation going into retirement, it can be expected that the Participation rate will be likely to Decline AND IF the Economy stays in the "status quo" bandwidth, then the Unemployment rate will decline to historic & dangerously low rates. That would apply, unless immigration is increased & increased substantially.

However, that course of action is also fraught with difficulties, as Energy, Water & Food run into Supply problems,due to an expanding Population, Climate Change & Peak Energy. 

That said, IF the Local & Global Economy does go into "Recession", then the shedding of jobs which inevitably arises as an Economy slows, may continue to balance out the Unemployment rate?

Btw, notwithstanding numerous comments to the contrary, the OZ Debt to GDP ratio is actually quite LOW, given historical Local & Global standards! 

Unemployment October 2010 - Now
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/australia-unemployment-rate.png?s=aulfunem&d1=20101001&d2=20120930

Good Luck & watch the Debt!

Buzz what would happen if China stopped lending us money??

the gov is spending more than it earns and if the borrowing stops we'd be like Greece and Spain would we not?

This ALP era has been a total failure, it has completely misread the economic realities of the GFC and refused to position the country on an economically sustainable self sufficient footing.  It has failed the workers of Australia, it has failed Australian families while it mas pursued mindless self serving special interest causes... :) :)

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 1:18pm: i can't recall one. buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:14am: Australian economy leads the world Jessica Wright April 18, 2012 . http://www.bobsmeat.com/Portals/0/BlueRibbon.jpg Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF - which issued its World Economic Outlook in Washington overnight - said it expected the Australian economy to expand by 3 per cent this year as fiscal tensions from Europe and the United States continue to ease. The body stated that after a major setback last year with the Eurozone crisis, the global prospect of far more stable financial conditions was gradually improving. The update said that it expects the Australian economy will outstrip growth over all other advanced economies over the next two years, noting we live in a region where exposure to troubled European banks was less than for other parts of the world. But it also warned that Australia was exposed to risk if economic conditions in the Middle East caused another oil price spike. The organisation revised up its global growth forecasts, with the global economy expected to grow by 3.5 per cent in 2012, up from 3.3 per cent in the January update. A forecast of global growth of 4.1 per cent in 2013 has also been revised up from 3.9 per cent. Global growth continues to be underpinned by solid growth in Asia, the report said. China's economy was expected to grow 8.2 per cent in 2012 and 8.8 per cent in 2013, while India was expected to grow 6.9 per cent in 2012 and 7.3 per cent in 2013. These forecasts were broadly unchanged from the IMF's January update. The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" The government has hit out at Opposition leader Tony Abbott for ''getting it wrong'' on the IMF growth forecasts. During a morning doorstop, Mr Abbott said the IMF report showed the local economy was ''underperforming'', as they had downgraded the economic growth forecast. ''It forecasts 3 per cent for the current financial year and it looks like we are going to get 2 per cent,'' Mr Abbott said. ''This is an underperforming economy and it's underperforming because of the poor economic management of the current government.'' But Mr Abbott's assertion was not correct, according to a spokesman for the Treasurer, who said the growth forecast of 3 per cent in 2012 had been the same since the start of the year. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html#ixzz1sRHuTZEi buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:31am: Quote: Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" i It's ALL in the GROUNDWORK ... OECD praise for Canberra's stimulus package Tim Colebatch September 17, 2009. THE Federal Government has won glowing support for its controversial economic stimulus, with the Western world's leading think tank saying the strategy will save up to 200,000 jobs. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's annual employment outlook says Australia will be one of the Western countries to suffer least in the global financial crisis. And it says the Government's stimulus has already had a strong effect in cushioning the downturn, undermining Opposition attacks on the size of the program. Its data shows Australia spends just 0.01 per cent of GDP on training its unemployed - the equal lowest in the OECD along with Mexico and the Czech and Slovak republics. They show the Howard government cut spending on active labour market programs in its last two years as the skills shortage became more acute. By contrast, the OECD report singles out the Rudd Government's stimulus measures for praise. It estimates Australia's stimulus has been the third largest in the Western world at 5.4 per cent of GDP, exceeded only by Korea (6.1) and the US (5.7). ''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says. http://www.theage.com.au/business/oecd-praise-for-canberras-stimulus-package-20090916-froi.html#ixzz1sRapvr8k

geez the rest of the world must be really stuffed then :D :D

and , lets face it, it is.

european central bank announces it will print money to lend to spain and italy so they can pay back the money they owe to the european central bank.

and world stock markets rally on the news.

they are paying off credit card 11 with credit card 12.

this is going to end badly,  off to my farm to plant more potatoes and up the voltage on the electric fence to 240v :D

I have my Greenhouse underway....we are all going to be very hungry very soon if we dont get rid of this Government and its free trade policies... :) :)

hah, great minds think alike.

I am building a raised vege garden this weekend !!!!!!!

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

hah, great minds think alike. I am building a raised vege garden this weekend !!!!!!!

we will compare photos...when I begin transferring the seedlings from going Greenhouse and get my own patch going...I had a moderate greenhouse malfunction in the high winds the other night... :( :) :) :o

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 1:25pm: hah, great minds think alike. I am building a raised vege garden this weekend !!!!!!! we will compare photos...when I begin transferring the seedlings from going Greenhouse and get my own patch going...I had a moderate greenhouse malfunction in the high winds the other night... :( :) :) :o

Ah, so, a pair of Greenies!!!

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 1:25pm: hah, great minds think alike. I am building a raised vege garden this weekend !!!!!!! we will compare photos...when I begin transferring the seedlings from going Greenhouse and get my own patch going...I had a moderate greenhouse malfunction in the high winds the other night... :( :) :) :o

eeeeeewwwwww, that could be scary.

I am away for 5 weeks, will popst piccies of it then.
Might set it up, plant stuff, see what happens while i am away !!

yes, I am a right wing greeny

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:47pm: Maqqa wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 4:41pm: You are harsh on Gillard Her one and only success is knifing Rudd - even then she could get that right either and he rose to challenge her again she had a bad teacher ... she watched abbott do it to turnbull first, and copied him  ... if she had checked she would have noticed Turnbull was still waiting for his chance to give the knife back ... I'll give him one thing, he's a very patient man , but times running out for abbott .... Time running out? Abbott hasn't even begun.

and he never will .....

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

the ALP said they would close them down. Now they won't and they have given the brown coal stations $1B.

no. the ALP said they would try to buy them out in order to close them down, but there was a limit as to what they would pay for them .....

the power station refusal to sell out just means that they will die slowly for zero compensation rather then ending it quickly with some money in their pockets ...

Shane B wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Successful at running up debt and deficits.

True, Shane B, but what was Keynes' view on this?

How to r00t your country up and create a famine...form a central planning committee and put venerables like Henry in charge of it...,.
::) ::)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

How to r00t your country up and create a famine...form a central planning committee and put venerables like Henry in charge of it...,. ::) ::)

Yes, what was John Howard thinking?

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:31pm: How to r00t your country up and create a famine...form a central planning committee and put venerables like Henry in charge of it...,. ::) ::) Yes, what was John Howard thinking?

Cubbie Station...food & Water security anyone... ::) ::)

Exactly. Maybe those Chinese investors will try to dump their surplus wheat on us.

Unfair competition - very unAustralian, I must say. It's just not cricket.

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 4:46pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:39pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 4:31pm: How to r00t your country up and create a famine...form a central planning committee and put venerables like Henry in charge of it...,. ::) ::) Yes, what was John Howard thinking? Cubbie Station...food & Water security anyone... ::) ::)

What does Cubbie Stations massive extraction of water from the MDB to grow cotton have to do with food and water security?

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 1:18pm: i can't recall one. buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 10:14am: Australian economy leads the world Jessica Wright April 18, 2012 . http://www.bobsmeat.com/Portals/0/BlueRibbon.jpg Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF - which issued its World Economic Outlook in Washington overnight - said it expected the Australian economy to expand by 3 per cent this year as fiscal tensions from Europe and the United States continue to ease. The body stated that after a major setback last year with the Eurozone crisis, the global prospect of far more stable financial conditions was gradually improving. The update said that it expects the Australian economy will outstrip growth over all other advanced economies over the next two years, noting we live in a region where exposure to troubled European banks was less than for other parts of the world. But it also warned that Australia was exposed to risk if economic conditions in the Middle East caused another oil price spike. The organisation revised up its global growth forecasts, with the global economy expected to grow by 3.5 per cent in 2012, up from 3.3 per cent in the January update. A forecast of global growth of 4.1 per cent in 2013 has also been revised up from 3.9 per cent. Global growth continues to be underpinned by solid growth in Asia, the report said. China's economy was expected to grow 8.2 per cent in 2012 and 8.8 per cent in 2013, while India was expected to grow 6.9 per cent in 2012 and 7.3 per cent in 2013. These forecasts were broadly unchanged from the IMF's January update. The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" The government has hit out at Opposition leader Tony Abbott for ''getting it wrong'' on the IMF growth forecasts. During a morning doorstop, Mr Abbott said the IMF report showed the local economy was ''underperforming'', as they had downgraded the economic growth forecast. ''It forecasts 3 per cent for the current financial year and it looks like we are going to get 2 per cent,'' Mr Abbott said. ''This is an underperforming economy and it's underperforming because of the poor economic management of the current government.'' But Mr Abbott's assertion was not correct, according to a spokesman for the Treasurer, who said the growth forecast of 3 per cent in 2012 had been the same since the start of the year. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html#ixzz1sRHuTZEi buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 11:31am: Quote: Australia has the strongest economy in the developed world and it is expected to outperform all comers for at least the next two years, according to the International Monetary Fund.   The IMF also forecasts Australia's unemployment rate to remain low at 5.2 per cent in both 2012 and 2013. "With solid growth, low unemployment, contained inflation, strong public finances and a record pipeline of business investment, the Australian economy is the standout performer of the developed world" i It's ALL in the GROUNDWORK ... OECD praise for Canberra's stimulus package Tim Colebatch September 17, 2009. THE Federal Government has won glowing support for its controversial economic stimulus, with the Western world's leading think tank saying the strategy will save up to 200,000 jobs. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's annual employment outlook says Australia will be one of the Western countries to suffer least in the global financial crisis. And it says the Government's stimulus has already had a strong effect in cushioning the downturn, undermining Opposition attacks on the size of the program. Its data shows Australia spends just 0.01 per cent of GDP on training its unemployed - the equal lowest in the OECD along with Mexico and the Czech and Slovak republics. They show the Howard government cut spending on active labour market programs in its last two years as the skills shortage became more acute. By contrast, the OECD report singles out the Rudd Government's stimulus measures for praise. It estimates Australia's stimulus has been the third largest in the Western world at 5.4 per cent of GDP, exceeded only by Korea (6.1) and the US (5.7). ''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says. http://www.theage.com.au/business/oecd-praise-for-canberras-stimulus-package-20090916-froi.html#ixzz1sRapvr8k

WE HAVE A CREDIT CARD TO THE TUNE OF $300BILLION..............$300B I L L I O N DOLLARS THATS IS



and thats called GOOD ECONOMICS



if my house was run on maxed out credit cards would you believe me if I claimed I was  the worlds greatest manager..????????


  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

John Smith wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:47am: the ALP said they would close them down. Now they won't and they have given the brown coal stations $1B. no. the ALP said they would try to buy them out in order to close them down, but there was a limit as to what they would pay for them ..... the power station refusal to sell out just means that they will die slowly for zero compensation rather then ending it quickly with some money in their pockets ...

many years ago the NSW Labor govt offered a friend of mine a price for his land.. they wanted it for roads...it was about half the going rate and he refused...they came back and upped the price nowhere near what he could have got but was again offered the usual take it or leave it..he never forgave the Labor party..

govt have all the power I mean who else is going to buy these almost obsolete.places???...

didnt gillard say..like she always seems to say no one will miss out..

Cods, your friend has held his grudge against the Labor Party all these years. Has he ever stopped to blame the RTA?

Political parties don't involve themselves in state land aquisitions. If they did, they'd be in trouble with the ICAC.

Now that you know, perhaps you could put his mind to rest, dear.

Enquiring mind wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Cods, your friend has held his grudge against the Labor Party all these years. Has he ever stopped to blame the RTA? Political parties don't involve themselves in state land aquisitions. If they did, they'd be in trouble with the ICAC. Now that you know, perhaps you could put his mind to rest, dear.

I am going back about 35 years things were different then and btw govts do decide where the roads will go... like the second airport... they make the decision and the bullets.and someone else fires them....dear.

and he has long passed... and I am sure bis bitterness didnt harm the Labor party though he told everyone that came close to him..

For the communist central planners and social engineers in the Gillard Government - the sky is the limit...the dumber, the more corrupt, the more undemocratic, the more unscientific, the more dishonest and extreme the better....she has so many misfiring neurons in her head no electrician would go within miles of her...
:D :D ;D ;D :D :D

Cods a household is completely different from running a business or a countries economy.
Any comparison is a waste of energy

The Gillard Government has placed millions of Australians at risk of a planned communist engineered famine by selling out our control of our own food security to international interests and the Chinese Government...the planners have lost the plot...

These planners see things in broad ideological paradigms - the decision on who to allow to work, eat, live is something they believe the planners and social engineers should determine as though they were God... :) :)

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Cods a household is completely different from running a business or a countries economy. Any comparison is a waste of energy

NO IT ISNT..

of course govt is on a grander scale but at the end of the day.. its all budgets and preparing for the future rainy days..

if we all live on maxed out credit cards.. dont you think the govt would be concerned????????

as it is we have one of the highest credit card debts in the world.. thats nothing to be proud of..

and I am certainly not proud of a govt that thinks its ok to have a credit card of $300billion.

that is costing something like $100m a day in interest.


add the States to that and I think we are in a very very bad way.

when this bubble bursts we will not be ready for it thats for sure.

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 5:48pm: Cods a household is completely different from running a business or a countries economy. Any comparison is a waste of energy NO IT ISNT.. of course govt is on a grander scale but at the end of the day.. its all budgets and preparing for the future rainy days.. if we all live on maxed out credit cards.. dont you think the govt would be concerned???????? as it is we have one of the highest credit card debts in the world.. thats nothing to be proud of.. and I am certainly not proud of a govt that thinks its ok to have a credit card of $300billion. that is costing something like $100m a day in interest. add the States to that and I think we are in a very very bad way. when this bubble bursts we will not be ready for it thats for sure.

Its totally different..its like comparing a paddle boat to an aircraft carrier

A planned economy is a failed economy totally inconsistent with the scientific order of the universe - committees are the devil! :) :)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg

Square onions..crazy man  :D

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg Square onions..crazy man  :D

You were not very well raised by your parents were you, is trolling and abusing  people on the internet all you amount to? :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:06pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:04pm: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg Square onions..crazy man  :D You were not very well raised by your parents were you, is trolling and abusing  people on the internet all you amount to? :) :)

You are correct..my parents didnt raise me very well  :D

The gift that just keeps on giving

http://www.anglicansamizdat.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Rowan_Williams.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:06pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:04pm: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg Square onions..crazy man  :D You were not very well raised by your parents were you, is trolling and abusing  people on the internet all you amount to? :) :) You are correct..my parents didnt raise me very well  :D

I can tell you have no sense of right or wrong and no rationally profitable thing to say, you are rude, intemperate, dishonest and wasting your time and ours with your trolling... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:10pm:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:08pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:06pm: adelcrow wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:04pm: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg Square onions..crazy man  :D You were not very well raised by your parents were you, is trolling and abusing  people on the internet all you amount to? :) :) You are correct..my parents didnt raise me very well  :D I can tell you have no sense of right or wrong and no rationally profitable thing to say, you are rude, intemperate, dishonest and wasting your time and ours with your trolling... :) :)

Wow you can read me like a book.. :D

The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:16pm:

The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :)

Could you please quote for us the Section of the Constitution that gives citizen's the right to control their food and water security?

Or did you just make that up?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:16pm: The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :) Could you please quote for us the Section of the Constitution that gives citizen's the right to control their food and water security? Or did you just make that up?

Quote:

The clauses of the 1297 Magna Carta which are still on statute are     Clause 1, the freedom of the English Church.     Clause 9 (clause 13 in the 1215 charter), the "ancient liberties" of the City of London.     Clause 29 (clause 39 in the 1215 charter), a right to due process.         1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.         9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.         29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

:) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:16pm: The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :) Could you please quote for us the Section of the Constitution that gives citizen's the right to control their food and water security? Or did you just make that up? Quote: The clauses of the 1297 Magna Carta which are still on statute are     Clause 1, the freedom of the English Church.     Clause 9 (clause 13 in the 1215 charter), the "ancient liberties" of the City of London.     Clause 29 (clause 39 in the 1215 charter), a right to due process.         1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.         9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.         29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta :) :)

Are you aware that Australia actually has a Constitution?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:48pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:16pm: The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :) Could you please quote for us the Section of the Constitution that gives citizen's the right to control their food and water security? Or did you just make that up? Quote: The clauses of the 1297 Magna Carta which are still on statute are     Clause 1, the freedom of the English Church.     Clause 9 (clause 13 in the 1215 charter), the "ancient liberties" of the City of London.     Clause 29 (clause 39 in the 1215 charter), a right to due process.         1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.         9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.         29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta :) :) Are you aware that Australia actually has a Constitution?

You have your answer...
:) :)

You are living in the commonwealth of Australia...not the Union of communist Unelected committees of Australia under a foreign global Government of our food security... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:48pm: rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:16pm: The communist planners in the Gillard Government has placed every Australian at risk by illegally taking our citizens constitutional right to control our food and water security off us and put it in foreign hands... :) :) Could you please quote for us the Section of the Constitution that gives citizen's the right to control their food and water security? Or did you just make that up? Quote: The clauses of the 1297 Magna Carta which are still on statute are     Clause 1, the freedom of the English Church.     Clause 9 (clause 13 in the 1215 charter), the "ancient liberties" of the City of London.     Clause 29 (clause 39 in the 1215 charter), a right to due process.         1. FIRST, We have granted to God, and by this our present Charter have confirmed, for Us and our Heirs for ever, that the Church of England shall be free, and shall have all her whole Rights and Liberties inviolable. We have granted also, and given to all the Freemen of our Realm, for Us and our Heirs for ever, these Liberties under-written, to have and to hold to them and their Heirs, of Us and our Heirs for ever.         9. THE City of London shall have all the old Liberties and Customs which it hath been used to have. Moreover We will and grant, that all other Cities, Boroughs, Towns, and the Barons of the Five Ports, as with all other Ports, shall have all their Liberties and free Customs.         29. NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.[43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta :) :) Are you aware that Australia actually has a Constitution? You have your answer... :) :)

A loony irrelevant answer - yes.

I guess I will have to be satisfied with that.

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

You are living in the commonwealth of Australia...not the Union of communist Unelected committees of Australia under a foreign global Government of our food security... :) :)

Yes.  We are living in the Commonwealth of Australia which is governed in accordance with the Australian Constitution.

Not the Magna Carta.

The Gillard Government has placed Australia at risk of a famine engineered by an unelected foreign planning committee by illegally ceding sovereign control of our food and water security to foreign undemocratic Governments and central planners... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

The Gillard Government has placed Australia at risk of a famine engineered by an unelected foreign planning committee by illegally ceding sovereign control of our food and water security to foreign undemocratic Governments and central planners... :) :)

By allowing he sale of a cotton farm?

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:00pm: You are living in the commonwealth of Australia...not the Union of communist Unelected committees of Australia under a foreign global Government of our food security... :) :) Yes.  We are living in the Commonwealth of Australia which is governed in accordance with the Australian Constitution. Not the Magna Carta.

You have your answer, our constitution, our law, our commonwealth is inherited from the Magna Carta, you dont knows what you are talking about and dont have the intelligence to formulate a coherent point or back it up so you are not worth my time conversing with.  Stupidity irritates me... :) :)

One sovereign common law and commonwealth for the free citizens of Australia that no foreign Government can legally take from us...WE ARE A COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY FOREVER... :) :)

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:19pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:06pm: Prevailing wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:00pm: You are living in the commonwealth of Australia...not the Union of communist Unelected committees of Australia under a foreign global Government of our food security... :) :) Yes.  We are living in the Commonwealth of Australia which is governed in accordance with the Australian Constitution. Not the Magna Carta. You have your answer, our constitution, our law, our commonwealth is inherited from the Magna Carta, you dont knows what you are talking about and dont have the intelligence to formulate a coherent point or back it up so you are not worth my time conversing with.  Stupidity irritates me... :) :)

I see.  And our genetic material is inherited from single-celled life forms.  Placed in that context your posts start to make more sense!

Except even if the Magna Carta were in any way relevant to Australian Law in the way you seem to think - it still doesn't grant citizen's the right to control their food and water security, does it.  The word "citizen" is meaningless in the context of the Magna Carta.

Don't you think you should stop making things up?

Prevailing wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

One sovereign common law and commonwealth for the free citizens of Australia that no foreign Government can legally take from us...WE ARE A COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY FOREVER... :) :)

Are you sure that the Head of State of a foreign Government can't take that from us?  Our Constitution gives quite a bit of power to the Head of State of a foreign government.

The Gillard Government has no legal right to take control of the citizens of Australias food and water from them now or ever under common law,... :) :)

Note...its the common law...not the communist law... :) :)

adelcrow wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/11/08_07_23_rowan_williams.jpg Square onions..crazy man  :D

Hillarious ... it's almost exactly what I pictured prevailing to look like ... except your guy has more hair ....  ;D ;D

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 3:27pm: Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:47am: the ALP said they would close them down. Now they won't and they have given the brown coal stations $1B. no. the ALP said they would try to buy them out in order to close them down, but there was a limit as to what they would pay for them ..... the power station refusal to sell out just means that they will die slowly for zero compensation rather then ending it quickly with some money in their pockets ... many years ago the NSW Labor govt offered a friend of mine a price for his land.. they wanted it for roads...it was about half the going rate and he refused...they came back and upped the price nowhere near what he could have got but was again offered the usual take it or leave it..he never forgave the Labor party.. govt have all the power I mean who else is going to buy these almost obsolete.places???... didnt gillard say..like she always seems to say no one will miss out..

you're rambling again. ... your example has absolutely no bearing on what we were talking about ... this was never going to be a compulsory buyout .. there are strict guidelines governing compulsory buyouts and I doubt this would meet those guidelines ... I think you'll find the companies are trying to force the govt. to pay ridiculous amounts, and they went to far .... the fact that they are almost obsolete is their problem not the governments.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 4^th, 2012 at 3:28pm:

Quote: ..........''Even though many countries moved quickly to enact large fiscal stimulus packages, these packages generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception,'' it says............. true, they spent a lot of money

Virtually all of it borrowed and none paid back yet...