Australian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan in what is reported to have been an attack by a member of the Afghan security forces,  a ‘‘green on blue’’ attack.    :(

Defence has confirmed that a number of Australians were slain. It is understood they were with the NATO-led force in Afghanistan in southern Oruzgan province.

The Defence confirmation follows reports an individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon against International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) members in Oruzgan, killing three.
Afghanistan ... troops seldom come into contact with locals.

A soldier in Afghanistan.

In its statement, Defence said: ''Defence can confirm that Australian Defence Force (ADF) personnel have been killed in Afghanistan.     :(

''Defence is currently in the process of informing the Next of Kin of the ADF personnel involved.

''Defence requests you respect the highly sensitive nature of this notification process.


''The Acting Chief of the Defence Force will make a statement once this process is complete.''

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has altered her engagements at the Pacific Island Forum on the Cook Islands amid speculation she is preparing to make a statement.

About 1550 Australian Defence Force troops are deployed in the province as part of the International Security Assistance Force.

ISAF says an individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon against ISAF members in southern Afghanistan, killing three.

There has recently been a rise in ‘‘green on blue’’ attacks in Afghanistan. Two US soldiers were killed earlier this week.     :(

Retired major general Jim Molan told the ABC yesterday that such attacks could increase as international forces prepare to withdraw by 2014.

‘‘The probability of them increasing is high,’’ he said.

Australia has lost 33 soldiers in Afghanistan since February 2002. Most recently, Sergeant Blaine Flower Diddams from the

Special Air Service Regiment was killed during a small arms engagement with insurgents in July.

According to ISAF, this year more than 30 insider attacks have killed 45 coalition troops, making up about 14 per cent of the overall death toll in the war for 2012.    :(

The commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, US General John Allen, said last week the causes of the surge in insider attacks were varied, and that Taliban infiltration accounted for about a quarter of the incidents.

A Pentagon assessment last year found serious tensions between the coalition forces and their Afghan counterparts, with relations plagued by cultural clashes and deep mistrust.

Last year, four Australian soldiers were killed by Afghan troops in two attacks.

In October, three Australian soldiers were killed by an Afghan Army sergeant when he turned a machine gun on them during a parade.

In May, army cook Andrew Jones was shot by a rogue Afghan soldier at a patrol base.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/australians-killed-in-afghanistan-20120830-251og.html#ixzz24z7YvTNM

Lots of 'green on blue' attacks.

That's because the coalition keep killing their families.

And no one wants to be called a towel head by their so called friends.

Maybe they made them play AFL, that would drive anyone to go postal.

The Afghani soldiers have a pretty good inkling of what the coalition of the killing think of them, and Muslims in general.

Training Afghani's was always a bad idea and was always going to be a failure.

I feel sorry for the families of the dead soldiers, but when the boys and girls go off to fight terror, it's always a likely possibility.

No LOL today Pansi?

Ain't no fortunate son's.

I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway..

R.I.P. I wish it was more.

FFS, just get out of the place. I don't go tipping our hand in with out allies so recklessly next time.

G Washington, farewell address, 1796:

"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils"

We should never had been there.

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more.

How exactly are they heroes?

SOB

My sincere condolences to the families of the brave Australian soldiers serving with our NATO forces in Afghanistan.

I have joined this forum from Scotland to make this post. British and Australian forces are serving with NATO-ISAF in Afghanistan but most of the military and funding comes from our American friends and allies and so I am addressing myself to the leadership role that all partners in this mission might hope from the USA and NATO generally.

NATO & Afghan forces. Green-on-blue insider attacks. The solution.

Split up the Afghan green force into two distinct forces -
[list bull-greenball]

a national Afghan army which Afghans pay for and is commanded by the Afghan president and whichever general he/she wants to appoint. (“dark green”)

a NATO-ISAF auxiliary force of Afghans and others, funded by the US and other NATO countries and international donors. This would be commanded by our generals. (“light green”)

The Afghan National Army, the “green” force is rotten, if not to its core then to much of the periphery. Some of the green is more like gangrene (gan-green, get it! )

The problem I see is in the disconnect between the political control (Karzai) and the funding (mostly from the USA but anyway internationally funded).


Quote:

Wikipedia: Afghan National Army The new Afghan National Army was founded with the issue of a decree by President Hamid Karzai on December 1, 2002

Karzai as the “duly” (ahem) elected president of Afghanistan is perfectly entitled to run an Afghan national army but Afghans should pay for that themselves.

Afghanistan is a poor nation and could not afford that much of an army but if they paid for it themselves, at least the Afghan national army would likely be honest, accountable to Afghans and take on limited tasks – secure the presidential palace, military headquarters and might be up to defending the capital Kabul and surrounding land, maybe.

Now the issue is this – to secure all of Afghanistan, even to secure our supply routes, we need lots of troops and it makes sense to have some kind of Afghan force to help us – but we need a bigger and better green force than the Afghans can afford to pay for. (Also why would a national Afghan force want to prioritise defending our supply routes? They wouldn’t want to.)

So the West, NATO needs to pay for some green Afghan forces – that’s a good idea, if, if, if, if and only if, those green forces we are paying for are auxiliary to NATO-ISAF – run by NATO-ISAF – under the control of a NATO general, maybe an American general if you could find a good one to do it.

That way we would only recruit capable Afghans into the green force we pay for and interact with daily. We’d be sure our green troops were loyal – wouldn’t shoot our blue troops.

No way would we have any incentive to spend our own money on disloyal incapable Afghans in green uniform so we would not do it, if we had political and military control over our green forces, which we would have if they were called “The NATO-ISAF Afghan auxiliary force” – with no pretence of them being an Afghan national force under Karzai.

However, some idiot has come up with the idea of paying Afghans to have an army funded by us but controlled by Karzai so there is no accountability. The people in charge, deciding who to recruit, can recruit bad soldiers because they get paid more by the US for soldiers, whether they be bad soldiers or not.

Why wouldn’t Karzai and this guy

Lt. Gen. Sher Mohammad Karim, Commander of the Afghan National Army

recruit junkies, thieves, murderers and agents for the Taliban into the Afghan National Army?

Why wouldn’t they recruit anybody they can find into the Afghan national army if, for every soldier they can name, they get paid more US dollars?

Where’s the incentive for Karzai and Karim to recruit only good soldiers? There isn’t any incentive at all.

Again the US ends up funding corruption.

If a green soldier kills a blue then who gets held responsible in the chain of command?

Nobody gets held responsible.

Who should get held responsible? The US and NATO should. We should blame ourselves for paying anything for an army which we do not have any political control over.

What on earth does Panetta (and what did Gates before him) think he is (was) doing trusting this guy Karzai and his general Karim with billions of US tax-payer dollars to pay for a green army?

Why are NATO defence ministers happy with the poor leadership from NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen and the NATO Supreme Allied Commander Admiral James Stavridis? Shouldn’t the NATO leaders have spotted this fatal flaw in green troop organisation and tried to re-organise green forces as I suggest here, if they know what they are doing (which they don’t)?

The competent answer to green on blue attacks is to split up the Afghan army into two distinct forces -
[list bull-greenball]

a national Afghan army which Afghans pay for and is commanded by the Afghan president and whichever general he/she wants to appoint. (dark green)

a NATO-ISAF auxiliary force of Afghans and others, funded by the US and other NATO countries and international donors. This would be commanded by our generals. (light green)

So there should be two green armies – each of a different shade of green. Karzai’s dark green he would use to defend himself and his capital. Our light green we would use to defend our supply routes and to support our operations in Afghanistan generally.

Only when the Afghan economy had grown to the point that they could afford to pay for a big enough army to defend the whole country would we transfer our light green army over to Afghan national control and then we could leave Afghanistan in the hands of Afghans.

So long as we are paying for an Afghan force we must retain political control over it otherwise it fuels corruption and does little or nothing to help to fight the enemy we are trying to defeat and the green-on-blue attacks simply undermine political support for the whole Afghanistan / Pakistan mission.

Peter Dow, August 2012

My AfPak military strategy blog - "Sorry, you are not allowed to post messages containing active links to websites or images before you have posted 40 normal messages"

Five Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.    :(

Date
    August 30, 2012 - 2:20PM





Diggers killed by Afghan

The Australian Defence Force has confirmed that three Australians have been killed in a "green on blue" attack at the hands of an Afghan soldier.    :(



Five Australian soldiers have been killed in two separate incidents in Afghanistan in the past 24 hours.

Sources have confirmed two Australian soldiers have also been killed in a US Black Hawk crash in Afghanistan this morning (Australian time).    :(

Earlier today the government confirmed three Australian soldiers were killed and two injured in a rogue attack in Afghanistan by someone wearing an Afghan army uniform.
Members of Australia's Special Operations Command move through the Garmab Valley, in Oruzgan Province.

Members of Australia's Special Operations Command move through the Garmab Valley, in Oruzgan Province. Photo: Australian Defence Force

Defence Personnel Minister Warren Snowdon confirmed that the three soldiers died following an an attack on NATO-led troops at a base in southern Oruzgan province at 10.30 pm yesterday.
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"Three Australian solders have been killed as a result of a green on blue incident and two have been injured," Mr Snowden told the ABC.

"This happened at around 10:30pm on Wednesday evening in Afghanistan at a base. I'm unclear as yet as to the circumstances of it."
An Australian soldier on patrol near Baluchi Valley, Afghanistan.



His confirmation followed reports that three International Security Assistance Force members were killed by a person wearing an Afghan National Army and a Defence statement that reads:

''Defence can confirm that Australian Defence Force personnel have been killed in Afghanistan.

''Defence is currently in the process of informing the next of kin of the ADF personnel involved.

''Defence requests you respect the highly sensitive nature of this notification process.

''The acting Chief of the Defence Force will make a statement once this process is complete.''

Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who is in the Cook Islands for the Pacific Islands Forum, is expected to give a media conference later today. She has cancelled her afternoon appointments at the forum.

About 1550 ADF troops are deployed in Afghanistan as part of the International Security Assistance Force.

ISAF said an individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon against ISAF members in southern Afghanistan, killing three.

The shootings will place more pressure on commanders of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan, who have been keen to paint an optimistic picture of the readiness of Afghan National Security Forces to increasingly assume the security lead across their beleaguered nation.

There has recently been a rise in ‘‘green on blue’’ attacks in Afghanistan. Two US soldiers were killed earlier this week.    :(

Retired major general Jim Molan told the ABC yesterday that such attacks could increase as international forces prepared to withdraw by 2014.

‘‘The probability of them increasing is high,’’ he said.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said the news of the deaths was a "terrible, terrible tragedy".

"This is a black day for our military forces," he told reporters in Melbourne.

Mr Abbott said his thoughts and prayers were with those who had been killed, their families and comrades.

He added it would not be appropriate to comment more specifically before acting chief of the Defence Force Air Marshal Binskin spoke.

Up until today Australia had lost 33 soldiers in Afghanistan since February 2002. Most recently, Sergeant Blaine Flower Diddams, of the Special Air Service Regiment, was killed during a small arms engagement with insurgents in July.

According to ISAF, this year more than 30 insider attacks have killed 45 coalition troops, making up about 14 per cent of the overall death toll in the war for 2012.

The commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan, US General John Allen, said last week the causes of the surge in insider attacks were varied, and that Taliban infiltration accounted for about a quarter of the incidents.

A Pentagon assessment last year found serious tensions between the coalition forces and their Afghan counterparts, with relations plagued by cultural clashes and deep mistrust.

Last year four Australian soldiers were killed by Afghan troops in two attacks.

In October, three Australian soldiers were killed by an Afghan Army sergeant when he turned a machine gun on them during a parade. The Afghan soldier was immediately shot dead.

In another incident in November, an Afghan soldier shot and wounded three Australians. He escaped and remains on the run.

In May last year, army cook Andrew Jones was shot dead by a rogue Afghan soldier at a patrol base.

With Agencies

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/five-australian-soldiers-killed-in-afghanistan-20120830-251og.html#ixzz250AoMBe3

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB

It is by all means right to question the politics and events that sends any of our soldiers into battle.

But to question the bravery of a dead solider (assuming of course that there is no evidence of any inhuman or traitorous behaviour of that solider) is just low. WTF is wrong with you?

Our politicians sent these kids over there to die in Bush's war of revenge so our politicians should bring them home

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

Lots of 'green on blue' attacks. That's because the coalition keep killing their families. And no one wants to be called a towel head by their so called friends. Maybe they made them play AFL, that would drive anyone to go postal. The Afghani soldiers have a pretty good inkling of what the coalition of the killing think of them, and Muslims in general. Training Afghani's was always a bad idea and was always going to be a failure. I feel sorry for the families of the dead soldiers, but when the boys and girls go off to fight terror, it's always a likely possibility.

Do you like these nasheed videos Pansi, this one has english subtitles so you can read the words  to understand the enemy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfTTWi-SwUg

Quantum wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:20pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB It is by all means right to question the politics and events that sends any of our soldiers into battle. But to question the bravery of a dead solider (assuming of course that there is no evidence of any inhuman or traitorous behaviour of that solider) is just low. WTF is wrong with you?

I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice.

"Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning. 

They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one. 

Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.   

... wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:49pm:

I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.

Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch.


When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet.

How anyone can defend any pollie that sends our kids off to die just to keep GW Bush happy is beyond me.
Bring them home and apologise and compensate the families of the dead and maimed and make sure this never happens again..shame Howard shame

We can send the Bill to the Greens & the Meritocracy..take it out of their Super... 8-) 8-)

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:54pm:

... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:49pm: I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.    Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch. When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet.

yeah I knew you'd get all up in arms about that.  Would it further raise your hackles if I pointed out that I did excatly the opposite of 'pass judgment' while you did judge them heroes, by virtue of choosing to enlist of the army?  I bet it will. Touchy dam subject, but it needed to be said.

I'd expect there to be a higher instance of actual heroes in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean they're all heroes.

... wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:54pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:49pm: I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.    Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch. When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet. yeah I knew you'd get all up in arms about that.  Would it further raise your hackles if I pointed out that I did excatly the opposite of 'pass judgment' while you did judge them heroes, by virtue of choosing to enlist of the army?  I bet it will. Touchy dam subject, but it needed to be said. I'd expect there to be a higher instance of actual heroes in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean they're all heroes.

I actually passed judgement on you.

They didn't just join the friggen army, they died while under fire and as a fully fledged civilian with absolutely no understanding of what that is like, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant..


FFS, think just a little bit before posting again.

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:01pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:54pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:49pm: I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.    Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch. When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet. yeah I knew you'd get all up in arms about that.  Would it further raise your hackles if I pointed out that I did excatly the opposite of 'pass judgment' while you did judge them heroes, by virtue of choosing to enlist of the army?  I bet it will. Touchy dam subject, but it needed to be said. I'd expect there to be a higher instance of actual heroes in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean they're all heroes. I actually passed judgement on you. They didn't just join the friggen army, they died while under fire and as a fully fledged civilian with absolutely no understanding of what that is like, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.. FFS, think just a little bit before posting again.

What rubbish..wrap it anyway you want but all your doing is defending our pollies for using any excuse to kill our young people..

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:17pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:01pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:54pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:49pm: I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.    Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch. When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet. yeah I knew you'd get all up in arms about that.  Would it further raise your hackles if I pointed out that I did excatly the opposite of 'pass judgment' while you did judge them heroes, by virtue of choosing to enlist of the army?  I bet it will. Touchy dam subject, but it needed to be said. I'd expect there to be a higher instance of actual heroes in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean they're all heroes. I actually passed judgement on you. They didn't just join the friggen army, they died while under fire and as a fully fledged civilian with absolutely no understanding of what that is like, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.. FFS, think just a little bit before posting again. What rubbish..wrap it anyway you want but all your doing is defending our pollies for using any excuse to kill our young people..

And you would know this because of your vast experience in the ADF?


If this was about the pollies the OP would have a reference to pollies and not dead soldiers this is nothing more than an opportunity for you and your deadsh1t mates to troll the dead.


Show some respect or bugger off

When everyone is a hero, noone is. 

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:17pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:12pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:01pm: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:54pm: ... wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 4:49pm: I'm gonna have to agree with SOB on this one, even though I believe his intent was tinged with malice. "Hero" is a word used far too freely these days, so as to strip it of all meaning.  They may have performed heroic deeds, we don't know, but simply being in the army does not make one a hero by default.  The same must be said to the "but what about the real heroes" crew - No, doctors, teachers or sick children aren't heroes either, unless they, as an individual, perform deeds or display qualities worthy of the term.  We haven't heard (or at least I haven't) the circumstances of his death - merely dying doesn't make you a hero, it's what you do in life that make you one.  Until such time as evidence comes to light of their heroism, These guys will be just another workplace death to me, no more or less heroic than someone who falls over the edge of their fishing boat and drowns, or gets caught in machinery at the factory they work in.    Spoken like a true civilian, the ability to pass judgement on those who serve is easy from the  safety of your couch. When a civilian has to do their job all while being shot at by someone bent on killing you, then you can have an opinion of what it means to be a hero, until then it's best to be quiet. yeah I knew you'd get all up in arms about that.  Would it further raise your hackles if I pointed out that I did excatly the opposite of 'pass judgment' while you did judge them heroes, by virtue of choosing to enlist of the army?  I bet it will. Touchy dam subject, but it needed to be said. I'd expect there to be a higher instance of actual heroes in the armed forces, but that doesn't mean they're all heroes. I actually passed judgement on you. They didn't just join the friggen army, they died while under fire and as a fully fledged civilian with absolutely no understanding of what that is like, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.. FFS, think just a little bit before posting again. What rubbish..wrap it anyway you want but all your doing is defending our pollies for using any excuse to kill our young people.. And you would know this because of your vast experience in the ADF? If this was about the pollies the OP would have a reference to pollies and not dead soldiers this is nothing more than an opportunity for you and your deadsh1t mates to troll the dead. Show some respect or bugger off

Like I said..wrap it anyway you want but all your doing is defending our pollies and disrespecting those dying for their mistakes

Ol64..you're younger than me so u never served in any wars..bathing in the reflected glory of others?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 11:19am:

cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB

Exactly the way you are not.




The Afghan unit the traitorous, cowardly sh!thead belonged to should be decimated.

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not.

What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens"

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:33pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens"

Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks?

Was Mr Abbott not a senior minister in the Howard government, when Australia got involved in the illegal Iraq war?.    :(

wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

Was Mr Abbott not a senior minister in the Howard government, when Australia got involved in the illegal Iraq war?.    :(

Hasn't Labor been in power for 5 years?


They have touched (and buggered up ) everything else.

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. The Afghan unit the traitorous, cowardly sh!thead belonged to should be decimated.

Dying doesnt make someone a hero. Nor does volunteering in peacetime to go to another country to kill ppl all for some political agenda.

SOB

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks?

Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks? Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though. SOB

Abbott was a Minister in the government that sent these kids over there...Abbott has blood on his hands

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:51pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks? Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though. SOB Abbott was a Minister in the government that sent these kids over there...Abbott has blood on his hands

You are disgusting and without shame.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:52pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:51pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks? Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though. SOB Abbott was a Minister in the government that sent these kids over there...Abbott has blood on his hands You are disgusting and without shame.

Mind your own business..child killer

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Yep..Israeli soldiers are soooo tough  ;D

The Greens just must be made responsible for what they do and their interfering...  :( :(

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. The Afghan unit the traitorous, cowardly sh!thead belonged to should be decimated. Dying doesnt make someone a hero. Nor does volunteering in peacetime to go to another country to kill ppl all for some political agenda. SOB

Those in Afghanistan didn't volunteer to go there to kill people for a political agenda. They volunteered to join the army to protect Australia. If no one volunteered in peacetime to join the army we wouldn't have a defense force at all.

Do you think Australia should have an army? Think carefully about that answer. If you say;

"yes, we do need an army"... Then how would we get one without volunteers?

However, if you say;

"no, we do not need an army"... Then you're an idiot.

You can question the political reasons behind a conflict without questioning or attacking the people that serve. The people who wear the uniform, and the people who decide where to send them and why, are two different things.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:51pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks? Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though. SOB Abbott was a Minister in the government that sent these kids over there...Abbott has blood on his hands

What does Gillard have on her hands, you fool?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:37pm: adelcrow wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:33pm: Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:19am: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 11:00am: I am so sad.. none of it makes any sense anymore.. but they died HEROS in my book anyway.. R.I.P. I wish it was more. How exactly are they heroes? SOB Exactly the way you are not. What does Tony Abbott think about our kids dying in Afghanistan and Iraq.."sh!t happens" Is Abbott in charge of government policy now? Why don't you ask what 'shake that fat arse, Julia' Julia thinks? Abbott is the one always mouthing off on TV though. SOB

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SO Australia's foreign policy is now shaped by a guy who is on tele, you mind-numbingly stupid, stupid old fvckwit? Anyone on tele is no the fall guy for the Gillard government?

I have never, ever, ever come across anyone as eyewateringly, unspeakably stupid as you. No matter what the topic, you will take a tack that nobody has ever thought of because nobody is a amazingly unmoored as you. It is quite something to behold.

Post away. Amazing.
If Gillard is an organgrinder' monkey, you are the organ grinder's monkey's retarded kid brother called Derek Faye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCC6l16MVGg

... wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

No LOL today Pansi?

Just for you Wes

WAR ON TERROR LOL!!!

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Those in Afghanistan didn't volunteer to go there to kill people for a political agenda. They volunteered to join the army to protect Australia. If no one volunteered in peacetime to join the army we wouldn't have a defense force at all.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Protect australia from what? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

As for needing an army - well we dont need one in other countries ATM. Maybe its a good idea to keep one here prepared though. Most of the benefits howard removed from recruits though so theres not a lot of incentive nowadays to join. If we actually did need the military you watch the incentives come back.


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You can question the political reasons behind a conflict without questioning or attacking the people that serve. The people who wear the uniform, and the people who decide where to send them and why, are two different things.

Blah blah blah blah. I was only pointing out that they arent "heroes" just because they die and they arent heroes for killing ppl either.

SOB

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SO Australia's foreign policy is now shaped by a guy who is on tele, you mind-numbingly stupid, stupid old fvckwit? Anyone on tele is no the fall guy for the Gillard government? I have never, ever, ever come across anyone as eyewateringly, unspeakably stupid as you. No matter what the topic, you will take a tack that nobody has ever thought of because nobody is a amazingly unmoored as you. It is quite something to behold. Post away. Amazing. If Gillard is an organgrinder' monkey, you are the organ grinder's monkey's retarded kid brother called Derek Faye.

Menopause bothering you grandma?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 7:35am:

Quote: Those in Afghanistan didn't volunteer to go there to kill people for a political agenda. They volunteered to join the army to protect Australia. If no one volunteered in peacetime to join the army we wouldn't have a defense force at all. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Protect australia from what? HAHAHAHAHAHA! As for needing an army - well we dont need one in other countries ATM. Maybe its a good idea to keep one here prepared though. Most of the benefits howard removed from recruits though so theres not a lot of incentive nowadays to join. If we actually did need the military you watch the incentives come back. [quote]You can question the political reasons behind a conflict without questioning or attacking the people that serve. The people who wear the uniform, and the people who decide where to send them and why, are two different things.

Blah blah blah blah. I was only pointing out that they arent "heroes" just because they die and they arent heroes for killing ppl either.

SOB[/quote]

So what one is it? You in one sentence laught like a fool saying we don't need an army to protect australia, and in the next you say it is a good idea to have one.

The fact that people joined the army is completely separate to the issue of them then being sent to Afghanistan. You seem incapable of separating these two points. Not all our forces are over there.



On another point; It is amazing that the same retards that say we don't need an army and we shouldn't send them anywhere, are also the first to cry and whine that we don't have women on the front line. It shows that it nothing but political point scoring with these bastards;

'Those men in the army are murdering animals who shouldn't be over there killing innocent people. These pigs won't get any respect from me... But we should send women over there so they can serve our nation. Stop discriminating against women who want to protect their country.'

I blame Gillard...this is an illegal and an immoral war, these deaths are all her fault...Gillard must be held morally responsible...she has the blood of Australian soldiers and the grief of their families on her head...Shame on this warmonger...  :( :(

So what one is it? You in one sentence laught like a fool saying we don't need an army to protect australia, and in the next you say it is a good idea to have one.

The fact that people joined the army is completely separate to the issue of them then being sent to Afghanistan. You seem incapable of separating these two points. Not all our forces are over there.

Australia doesnt need protecting in afghanistan. Ppl DONT join the army @ this point in time to "protect australia" they join to go and kill ppl in afghanistan. It is not completely separate @ all - its been how long that afghanistan war has been going on?

the rest of your post was just dribble

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 9:36am:

So what one is it? You in one sentence laught like a fool saying we don't need an army to protect australia, and in the next you say it is a good idea to have one. The fact that people joined the army is completely separate to the issue of them then being sent to Afghanistan. You seem incapable of separating these two points. Not all our forces are over there. Australia doesnt need protecting in afghanistan. Ppl DONT join the army @ this point in time to "protect australia" they join to go and kill ppl in afghanistan. It is not completely separate @ all - its been how long that afghanistan war has been going on? the rest of your post was just dribble SOB

You have just accused everyone who has joined the army this century of being someone who desires to kill others. You really are a disgusting person.

Many people have joined the army in the last tens years who did not do it to go kill people. Many of these people have not been sent to Afghanistan, and many of them who have gone have not shoot a single person. Learn something and try to retain it this time.

As for your brush off about the rest of my post being dribble, that wouldn't have anything to do with you being caught as a hypocrite and political opportunist would it? If men only join the army to murder innocent people, why would you fight for the right for women to also do this under the argument of wanting to protect their country?

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You have just accused everyone who has joined the army this century of being someone who desires to kill others. You really are a disgusting person.

why else would they join when we have invasions going on?


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Many people have joined the army in the last tens years who did not do it to go kill people. Many of these people have not been sent to Afghanistan, and many of them who have gone have not shoot a single person. Learn something and try to retain it this time.

the ones that are too new to go overseas or are in the wrong profession. Most join so they can go fight. Why else would they join? Back just before the invasion of iraq many soldiers left the military so they wouldn't have to go.


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As for your brush off about the rest of my post being dribble, that wouldn't have anything to do with you being caught as a hypocrite and political opportunist would it? If men only join the army to murder innocent people, why would you fight for the right for women to also do this under the argument of wanting to protect their country?

There wasnt any "argument" there it was just childish abuse.

SOB

People join for a number of reasons SOB, but to kill people, come on.

Some do it for the thrill, the adventure, the travel, trade skills, money, and a bit of macho bravado.  Some like the discipline and the mateship.  Patriotism, sense of public duty and sense of just doing the right thing.

I have several school friends in the army, and some are out already, it wasnt for them.

As for joining to shoot someone, a mate had to shoot dead an Iraqi at a checkpoint who turned out to be unarmed.  He left the army straight after the tour was up and it haunts him to this day.  Doesnt sound like a man who wanted to join to kill people does it.

You really need to grow up.

BTW, we were sending troops to the Afghan region two years before Iraq.  Why would they join just to kill people in Iraq?

and some of us join because we receive a letter telling us we have joined.

:)

Verge wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:17am:

BTW, we were sending troops to the Afghan region two years before Iraq.  Why would they join just to kill people in Iraq?

Do you really HAVE to be a dick? Seriously? Iraq isnt the only place where theres action and you know good and well i didnt mean just iraq.

Ppl may join for "many reasons" but when theres "action" going on (iraq afghanistan indonesia whatever) why join? Seriously its not to protect this country - why do it?

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:25am:

and some of us join because we receive a letter telling us we have joined. :)

Not in australia.

Since you mention it though avram how is being forced to joint the military something to be proud of? How does it make you somehow "better" than  anyone else?

SOB

Serving your country in the military in the most hostile place in the world and keeping your citizens safe is the biggest honor we can have.

We feel very passionate about this and we do not have the luxury you do of sitting back and not being ready all times.

Even now I remain a Reservist to the age of 45.

I am proud to be so. Every one i know feels the same. I dont think you can understand.

I would also say I have met Aussie soldiers, off-duty ones in Tel Aviv and spend the night in a bar with these guys. Afghanistan posted guys too.

Very good guys, very brave guys and they deserve more respect than people like you give (known as sofa critics - making comments from the safety of your lounge).

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:51am:

Serving your country in the military in the most hostile place in the world and keeping your citizens safe is the biggest honor we can have.

So you do support Palestinian 'terrorists'?

No doubt just before the election Gillard will go to Afghanistan. In keeping with the governments support of the majority of the Afghan military and police and the intention to hand control over, after all it's why we are there, that the security for Gillard, and any other politicians, should be turned over to the Afghans...to show confidence in the process to the people in the services who take that risk every day. 
:)

Avram Horowitz wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 11:51am:

Serving your country in the military in the most hostile place in the world and keeping your citizens safe is the biggest honor we can have. We feel very passionate about this and we do not have the luxury you do of sitting back and not being ready all times. Even now I remain a Reservist to the age of 45. I am proud to be so. Every one i know feels the same. I dont think you can understand. I would also say I have met Aussie soldiers, off-duty ones in Tel Aviv and spend the night in a bar with these guys. Afghanistan posted guys too. Very good guys, very brave guys and they deserve more respect than people like you give (known as sofa critics - making comments from the safety of your lounge).

Heh like i said i have seen more than you think but my point is that soldiers arent worth any more respect than anyone else. Of course there are true heroes but you arent one of those. Australia doesnt have any of those anymore either because the only wars we have are manufactured political ones. Anyone that joins up while we are doing these stupid "actions" is an idiot.

SOB

Courage Sacrifice Endurance Mateship

Lest We Forget

RIP

:(

FriYAY wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Courage Sacrifice Endurance Mateship Lest We Forget RIP :(

Sacrifice to who tho?  ;)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:25pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:22pm: Courage Sacrifice Endurance Mateship Lest We Forget RIP :( Sacrifice to who tho?  ;)

For each other.

(now i shall leave you morons to score your cheap points :-[)

FriYAY wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 12:31pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:25pm: FriYAY wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 12:22pm: Courage Sacrifice Endurance Mateship Lest We Forget RIP :( Sacrifice to who tho?  ;) For each other. (now i shall leave you morons to score your cheap points :-[)

Well yes but who is Australia sacrificing too in the first place by being there?

If they were cheap points then you would be able to debunk them directly rather then attacking the people who make the points and that is a fact.

Gillard has not apologized to the families nor expressed true remorse yet...her cold, heartless demeanor and rehearsed stay the course rhetoric is chilling... :( :(

it is a terrible day for Australian troops and Australia, RIP,Aussie soldiers.
My biggest concern is I was all  for nothing, if we stay there we will achieve nothing, if we leave the Taliban will regain control. We should be out of there, should have been long ago. Anyone that thinks we can achieve peace there is a stupid fool , just ask the Russians.

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Gillard has not apologized to the families nor expressed true remorse yet...her cold, heartless demeanor and rehearsed stay the course rhetoric is chilling... :( :(

you really are a brainless turd.

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 1:21pm: Gillard has not apologized to the families nor expressed true remorse yet...her cold, heartless demeanor and rehearsed stay the course rhetoric is chilling... :( :( you really are a brainless turd.

I am just saying what everyone else is thinking...even Andrew Wilke is saying it...Julia Gillard has no humanity, no empathy, she is a cold calculating political animal and opportunist...

Gillard is doing it for all the unmarried barren atheists :( :(

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 1:21pm: Gillard has not apologized to the families nor expressed true remorse yet...her cold, heartless demeanor and rehearsed stay the course rhetoric is chilling... :( :( you really are a brainless turd.

The truth is both Abbott and Gillard don't give a toss about our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq or they wouldn't be over there.
Our defence forces should only be used to defend this country and our allies..not sent across the globe to put their lives on the line for badly planned revenge attacks and lies to boost the political prospects of American Presidents.
Gillard, Abbott and Howard have the blood of every single soldier on their hands and I for one don't buy their rehearsed and scripted crocodile tears.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:41pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:30pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 1:21pm: Gillard has not apologized to the families nor expressed true remorse yet...her cold, heartless demeanor and rehearsed stay the course rhetoric is chilling... :( :( you really are a brainless turd. The truth is both Abbott and Gillard don't give a toss about our soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq or they wouldn't be over there. Our defence forces should only be used to defend this country and our allies....

I agree.

Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :(

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :(

The GREENS are against the war in Afgzhanistan, no wonder everyone thinks you're an utter mental case.

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 2:59pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:54pm: Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :( The GREENS are against the war in Afgzhanistan, no wonder everyone thinks you're an utter mental case.

The Greens are heartless opportunists who switch their stance at a moments notice - yesterdays humanitarian mission they supported is today's war they oppose because it is politically expedient for them to do so.  The Greens have no principles...they are shameless and I hold them accountable along with Gillard for these deaths. :P :P

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:03pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:59pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:54pm: Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :( The GREENS are against the war in Afgzhanistan, no wonder everyone thinks you're an utter mental case. The Greens are heartless opportunists who switch their stance at a moments notice -

wrong again, the GREENS have never supported this or any other war, you must like making a tool of yourself, you're very good at it.

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:03pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:59pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:54pm: Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :( The GREENS are against the war in Afgzhanistan, no wonder everyone thinks you're an utter mental case. The Greens are heartless opportunists who switch their stance at a moments notice - wrong again, the GREENS have never supported this or any other war, you must like making a tool of yourself, you're very good at it.

Everyone knows that the Greens are liars who love meddling in other peoples business who speak out of both sides of their mouths at the same time.  You cant help yourself, minding other peoples business is what you control freaks do... 8-) 8-)

Prevailing wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 3:29pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:13pm: Prevailing wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 3:03pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:59pm: [quote author=617C67707970666676747865747C727B7067150 link=1346286891/63#63 date=1346388889]Remember the only reason we are still in Afghanistan is because Gillard & the Greens think the purpose of our military is nation building and forcing freedom and secular democracy on that country no matter how many we have to kill to do it.  They also use the navy as a ferry service for human trafficking... :( :( The GREENS are against the war in Afgzhanistan, no wonder everyone thinks you're an utter mental case. The Greens are heartless opportunists who switch their stance at a moments notice - You cant help yourself, minding other peoples business is what you control freaks do... 8-) 8-)

And yet you want a control-freak economy with protectionism, tarrifs, monopolies and cartels.

She said this back in May. If she had have got her way, these five men would still be alive today.



Greens leader Christine Milne calls for Australian troops to return from Afghanistan


http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/greens-leader-christine-milne-calls-for-australian-troops-to-return-from-afghanistan/story-e6frfku0-1226361895858#ixzz25AaZfwyf

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:40pm:

She said this back in May. If she had have got her way, these five men would still be alive today. Greens leader Christine Milne calls for Australian troops to return from Afghanistan [/url]http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/greens-leader-christine-milne-calls-for-australian-troops-to-return-from-afghanistan/story-e6frfku0-1226361895858#ixzz25AaZfwyf [url]

All troops should have been pulled out of Afghanistan and Iraq in 2007 when Labor rose to power..now Labor has as much blood on its hands as the Libs and Nats.

Sad reality about Afghanistan is we arent going to win what 800,000 Russians couldnt.

Better to just withdraw with tails between our legs than withdraw in body bags.

Its just no winnable.

Verge wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Sad reality about Afghanistan is we arent going to win what 800,000 Russians couldnt. Better to just withdraw with tails between our legs than withdraw in body bags. Its just no winnable.

We will get out when the Yanks get out.  We went there for reasons alliance, and we will leave for the same reasons.

Live with that fact, and save your keyboard.

adelcrow wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Our politicians sent these kids over there to die in Bush's war of revenge so our politicians should bring them home

They are not really kids, and all are voluteers; despite of that, my symphathy goes to their families.
The worst part is, that the USA just attacks or invades any country it wishes to, and the Australian government just jumps on the bandwagon.
Look at the mess the US has left in Iraq, and now they are working towards Iran, or even China.
It is really questionable, who the evil empire is in this world.

You had best hope Romney loses the next election . I heard him say the other day the world needs the USA to be in control to keep it a safe place.

skippy. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2012 at 5:57pm:

You had best hope Romney loses the next election . I heard him say the other day the world needs the USA to be in control to keep it a safe place.

The yanks only ever invade third world crap holes so apart from sending our kids off to die they wont attack a country that can fight back