A SENIOR union official who is suing Opposition leader Tony Abbott for allegedly implying he is a union thug deliberately drove his car at a building site manager following a violent protest in Melbourne this morning, a court has heard.

How funny is that.

CFMEU assistant secretary John Setka also allegedly hurled abuse at Grocon employees during a protest in Melbourne where construction workers trampled on police officers.

Grocon has asked the Victorian Supreme Court to extend injunction orders against the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union after hearing evidence about the violent clash outside Grocon's Myer Emporium building site on Lonsdale St this morning.

The company's Victorian operations manager Brian McAdam told judge Anthony Cavonough he had recognised Mr Setka at the CBD protest and saw him directly confront a group of about 90 Grocon employees who were trying to enter their worksite.

"Mr Setka has then verbally abused our people," Mr McAdam told the court.

Trampled police spray worker blockade

"It's not language I like to use, but he yelled out 'f..king dog."'

Mr McAdam said Mr Setka had also called the workers "scabs", to which some of them replied "We just want to work".

A police officer then advised the Grocon employees to go back inside their office building.

The protest has now broken up, but Mr McAdam said he had heard one of the union organisers on a loudspeaker saying "Back here tomorrow boys for more fun."

Mr McAdam said Mr Setka had arrived at one of Grocon's Footscray developments around 9.30 and told a security guard he wanted to speak to management.

Grocon's executive project manager Frank Bortoletto went outside and told Mr Setka he was in contravention of court orders which were posted on the building site fences.

"He then said that we don't care about such things and then began to verbally abuse Mr Bortoletto," Mr McAdam told the court.

"'Dog' and 'rat', and the usual sort of stuff."

Mr McAdam said Mr Bortoletto turned to leave before Mr Setka accelerated the vehicle, striking the project manager on the leg.

Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year.

Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug.

A magistrate threw out assault and obstruction charges against Mr Setka and a former union official two days after Mr Abbott's speech to the Master Builders.

The Myer Emporium protest briefly escalated at around 7.00am when the crowd pushed back against mounted police, with reports of some police horses being punched.

Victoria Police commander Rick Nugent said one group of officers on foot fell on to the ground as the workers surged forward.

"They were under the feet of a number of union people but they don't appear to be injured," he said.

"Capsicum spray was used, I understand, by our members on the front line, and it was used at the time the members were being trampled by union members and in fear of their safety.

"I understand that the use of the capsicum spray enabled members to get back onto their feet and get back with their members."

Lonsdale Street has now reopened to traffic and the workers have dispersed.

Commander Nugent said no workers had been arrested at this morning's protest, but arrests could follow if instances of violence were seen on video footage.

"It wasn't a violent confrontation per se which we're pleased about," he said.

"I haven't reviewed all of the footage but at this stage we're comfortable that they behaved reasonably appropriately.

"If they have punched horses, then that's not appropriate."

Justice Cavanough has agreed to extend the existing injunction against the CFMEU. The union did not attend the hearing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/unionist-drove-car-at-site-manager-after-grocon-protest-court-hears/story-fn59noo3-1226459889599

Classy.

I heard Setka being interviewed by John Faine on the ABC today.

I was quite shocked, Faine went feral and called him out for being a thug, implied he was telling lies about Grocon's behaviour.

Not the usual pinko crap you get from Faine.

Faine also queried Setko about his friendship with Mick Gatto.

Wow, those Union thugs sure know how to utilise their (limited) vocabulary! Scab, dog, rat. I wonder if they know any five-letter words?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 29^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Wow, those Union thugs sure know how to utilise their (limited) vocabulary! Scab, dog, rat. I wonder if they know any five-letter words?

These idiots look like they are back in the early 1900's and thugs like nothing you want to see in this day and age.

I wonder if we will get a fight between the CFMEU and Police union for them hurting each others members. I'd pay to go see that.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

[b][size=14]A SENIOR union official who is[highlight] suing Opposition leader Tony Abbott for allegedly implying he is a union thug

My advice to the Nobility is you better mind yourself because there is an avalanche of law suits heading your way for constitutional & economic crimes... :) :)

So what? Doesnt mean abbott can get away with slander.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:25am:

So what? Doesnt mean abbott can get away with slander. SOB

Your ignorant reply always make my day.   ;D  ;D  ;D

The defence for slander is if it is the truth.

Unless you accept that trying to run down another human being is not thuggish behaviour then your post is valid.

But as per usual it is wrong.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:25am: So what? Doesnt mean abbott can get away with slander. SOB Your ignorant reply always make my day.   ;D  ;D  ;D The defence for slander is if it is the truth. Unless you accept that trying to run down another human being is not thuggish behaviour then your post is valid. But as per usual it is wrong.  ;D

When he said it it hadnt happened. He was slandering when he said it. Looks like you are the "ignorant" one.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:11am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:56am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:25am: So what? Doesnt mean abbott can get away with slander. SOB Your ignorant reply always make my day.   ;D  ;D  ;D The defence for slander is if it is the truth. Unless you accept that trying to run down another human being is not thuggish behaviour then your post is valid. But as per usual it is wrong.  ;D When he said it it hadnt happened. He was slandering when he said it. Looks like you are the "ignorant" one. SOB

So,SOB, are you saying that this thug hadnt indulged in thuggish behaviour before?
Perhaps he did so this time to validate Abbott; politics makes strange bedfellows indeed...

Quote:

A magistrate threw out assault and obstruction charges against Mr Setka and a former union official two days after Mr Abbott's speech to the Master Builders.

Abbott is a flake.....I notice not a single member of the Coalition are taking up this bullshit about Julia Gillard.....That is left to the nut jobs on the Internet who are safe to throw mud with impunity.....You are all cowards like the Coalition!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:46am:

Quote: A magistrate threw out assault and obstruction charges against Mr Setka and a former union official two days after Mr Abbott's speech to the Master Builders. Abbott is a flake.....I notice not a single member of the Coalition are taking up this bullshit about Julia Gillard.....That is left to the nut jobs on the Internet who are safe to throw mud with impunity.....You are all cowards like the Coalition!!! >:( >:( >:(

The allegation on this and gillard have come from labor members, ex-police, lawyers. It is the nutjobs that are trying to cover for gillard because they love labor corruption. It is the internet that is helping to keep alive an issue of integrity of our PM.

There is no place for Australia to have a PM with such poor judgment if that is at worst that gillard is guilty of.

The Heartless Felon wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 7:33am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 7:11am: BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:56am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 5:25am: So what? Doesnt mean abbott can get away with slander. SOB Your ignorant reply always make my day.   ;D  ;D  ;D The defence for slander is if it is the truth. Unless you accept that trying to run down another human being is not thuggish behaviour then your post is valid. But as per usual it is wrong.  ;D When he said it it hadnt happened. He was slandering when he said it. Looks like you are the "ignorant" one. SOB So,SOB, are you saying that this thug hadnt indulged in thuggish behaviour before? Perhaps he did so this time to validate Abbott; politics makes strange bedfellows indeed...

There wasnt any proof and i dont know if he engaged in it before - neither did you - neither did abbott. He was slandering the guy.

SOB

Its not slander if they are SOB.

He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction.

At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug.

Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point.

Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try.

Not a thug hey SOB,

"
Early in his reign at Grocon, in 2002, Daniel tried to push through a Howard government era non-union agreement that was overwhelmingly rejected by workers. The following year Setka was convicted and fined $500 for threatening to ''fix up'' a Grocon employee, one of the only convictions that stemmed from the Cole royal commission into the building industry."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-personal-the-union-hothead-and-grollo-heir-20120828-24yxb.html#ixzz24yjwQz6Q

If thats not a thug, I dont know what is.

and again

"Yesterday, he was accused in court of driving a car at a Grocon manager in Footscray."

More thuggish language when addressing people

When a group of construction workers held a rally outside the Melbourne headquarters of the building industry watchdog on a winter's day in 2010, they were addressed by a union official, John Setka, who promised a war of attrition. His language was lurid and vengeful:

''We know who's winning this battle. We're winning this battle, not them rats … There's no other way of putting it, they are f------s … They are poo …

''We're proud, we're construction workers … you're not working in some warm office like them f------s up there. And they've got the balls to try and prosecute us … Those rats, dogs, whatever they are, just remember one thing, when this is all over, and they don't exist any more, they've got to work elsewhere and we'll remember them because we know every f---ing one of them. We will never forget them.''


Remember Setka's words when talking about the Australian Building and Construction Commission: ''When they don't exist any more … we'll remember them because we know every f---ing one of them. We will never forget them.''

And guess who is Setco's lawyers in his defamation case.........

Not a thug hey SOB

A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.


In a separate case in 2010, Mr Setka was fined $6000 for ­threatening two Bovis Lend Lease managers.

And look who his best mate is.
Last night Mr Setka’s ally, underworld figure Mick Gatto, appeared to threaten the company with retaliation in the future if chief executive, Daniel Grollo didn’t compromise.

“The union have got long memories, and unless he plans on not building any more, I think there is going to be a problem there,” Mr Gatto told Channel 7 news. Grocon’s Myer construction site in Melbourne is still blockaded by union supporters despite a court ordering free access to the site.

Mr Setka received strong support from Mr Gatto, who told ABC Radio he been a mate of Mr Setka’s since he become involved with the building industry 20 years ago.

“He has been primed up for the top position and I think he is the ideal man for the job, someone like him should be running the country, to be honest,” Mr Gatto said.

And so it continues...I heard on the ABC this morning that one bloke on the building sites in the dispute is paid $130,000.00 a year "to boil the kettle and keep the kitchen clean..."

maybe this guy learnt from Bill Shorten wasnt he the guy that organised the "thugs" to ram the parliament house doors down?????????..

or is that just being vocal..

We all pay big time for these lazy bully scum. The cost comes to us via the cost of goods. $130000 for a kitchen job. Dam, thats robbery of my money for higher costs of goods.

Meanwhile, Mr Setka's personal "rap sheet" has also been published today - The Australian newspaper lists nearly 40 convictions, including assault and criminal damage. The story also links Mr Setka to underworld figure Mick Gatto - who also speaks to Jon, and says Mr Setka's priority is worker safety.


can we assume if he drove his car at someone that was all in the name of worker safety???????

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:37am:

We all pay big time for these lazy bully scum. The cost comes to us via the cost of goods. $130000 for a kitchen job. Dam, thats robbery of my money for higher costs of goods.

I guess its all in the name of

FAIRWORK.Inc.

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try.

You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time.

SOB

Quote:

Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year. Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug.

I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue.  Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory.  Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation.


Quote:

A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.

This is a very worrying development.  Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public.  Is the source of the leak being investigated?

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:04am:

Not a thug hey SOB,

Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time.

why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB

oh sob I do feel sorry for you....


this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over...

this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers.

surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are?

he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone.


would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man???

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:04am: Not a thug hey SOB, Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time. why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl? SOB

He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third.

He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.

ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID.

Difficult to understand?

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:07am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:58am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:04am: Not a thug hey SOB, Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time. why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl? SOB He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third. He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID. Difficult to understand?

He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count.

Frances wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

Quote: Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year. Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug. I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue.  Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory.  Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation. [quote]A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest.

This is a very worrying development.  Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public.  Is the source of the leak being investigated?[/quote]




ah here we go again kill the messenger..


ok we can see you prefer this type of person.. Setka..as an upright aussie person.. well done..

like I asked sob would you like one of yours to grow up like this man????


a simple question I think... as this man is setting an example.. Head of the CFMEU. is no baby shakes. he has a loud voice.. and he sets the tone..


so I ask again is this the type of person you would like to mentor a child of yours????


I would think the record of this man would be in ever newspaper archive..almost 40 convictions..

I know I know. you support him so let it be.

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:07am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:58am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:04am: Not a thug hey SOB, Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time. why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl? SOB He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third. He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID. Difficult to understand? He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count.

of course  a ALP star in the making...

can we look forward to him on the front bench before long?

e seems to have a way with him that gets results......just dont get in the way when he is driving.its your fault.

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:09am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:07am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:58am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:04am: Not a thug hey SOB, Who said he wasnt a thug? I said that abbott was slandering the guy @ the time because he hadnt engaged in thuggish activities @ that time. why do i always have to repeat myself with you ppl? SOB He already had two convictions and was before the court for a third. He also had five convictions for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. ALL BEFORE ABBOTT SAID WHAT HE SAID. Difficult to understand? He was young and naive back then. It doesn't count. of course  a ALP star in the making... can we look forward to him on the front bench before long? e seems to have a way with him that gets results......just dont get in the way when he is driving.its your fault.

They'll only get him into parliament if he expresses an interest in matters parliamentary, Cods, just like they've appointed Brendan Nelson to head the Australian War Memorial because, in part, "he has an interest in  World War 2".

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

Frances wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:58am: Quote: Mr Setka is suing Tony Abbott for defamation over comments the Opposition leader made at a Master Builders Association conference earlier this year. Mr Setka claims he has been "gravely injured" by his public portrayal as a construction site thug. I do not wish to be seen to be endorsing the CFMEU's or Mr Setka's actions, but I find it curious that certain posters are defending Abbott by talking at length about Setka's actions and words, and his association with Mick Gatto and yet no-one seems to have even mentioned in passing what Abbott said that sparked this issue.  Maybe Abbott actually did go too far and said something that was defamatory.  Being pure and innocent is not a prerequisite for being a victim of defamation. [quote]A leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991 shows he was convicted five times of assaulting police. There were multiple counts of assault by kicking and resisting arrest. This is a very worrying development.  Regardless of who we are talking about, criminal histories should not be "leaked" to the media or the public.  Is the source of the leak being investigated?

ah here we go again kill the messenger..


ok we can see you prefer this type of person.. Setka..as an upright aussie person.. well done..

like I asked sob would you like one of yours to grow up like this man????


a simple question I think... as this man is setting an example.. Head of the CFMEU. is no baby shakes. he has a loud voice.. and he sets the tone..


so I ask again is this the type of person you would like to mentor a child of yours????


I would think the record of this man would be in ever newspaper archive..almost 40 convictions..

I know I know. you support him so let it be.[/quote]

Kill the messenger?  If it was information that was publicly available, or that was available under the Freedom of Information legislation, you could say that.  I wouldn't see a problem with revealing it to a wider audience.  However, the report mentioned "a leaked Victoria Police list of Mr Setka’s criminal record up to 1991".  Are you suggesting that it is in order to leak highly personal information about a person's Police record to the public?  With a person such as Mr Setka, of course a number of matters would already be on the public record, but not necessarily all.  Mr Setka is entitled to the same privacy protection as any other member of the public. 

A public servant or a Police officer can't just release information when they feel like it because they think it is in the public interest.  There are certain provisions in place to protect peoples privacy.  This is why we have the Privacy Act 1988 of the Commonwealth and the Information Privacy Act 2000 of Victoria.  I am unfamiliar with the penalty provisions in those pieces of legislation, but I think I would be safe in saying that anyone leaking information about a person's criminal history would leave themselves open to diciplinary action, possible dismissal and maybe even prosecution for a breach of one or both acts.

As to your comment as to me preferring "this type of person", I would have thought that I already made it clear that I do not endorse his actions when I made my earlier post.  I am assuming that you have a level of comprehension at least equal to that of a primary school student - but then again, I could be wrong.....

cods wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man???

Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . .

Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out.

Loyal? WTF are you talking about?

Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him.

SOB

Smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. Assange gets in trouble for letting ppl know about war crimes and the aussie media "leaks" ppls past personal records.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB

His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments.

He didnt slander him at all.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. Assange gets in trouble for letting ppl know about war crimes and the aussie media "leaks" ppls past personal records. SOB

The media didnt leak it.

My tap doesnt leak because I notice it, it leaks because the washer needs replacing.

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all.

How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy?

SOB

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:22pm: Smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. Assange gets in trouble for letting ppl know about war crimes and the aussie media "leaks" ppls past personal records. SOB The media didnt leak it. My tap doesnt leak because I notice it, it leaks because the washer needs replacing.

Oh so everyone just simultaneously knew about his record while watching the TV but the TV didnt say it?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:29pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:22pm: Smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. Assange gets in trouble for letting ppl know about war crimes and the aussie media "leaks" ppls past personal records. SOB The media didnt leak it. My tap doesnt leak because I notice it, it leaks because the washer needs replacing. Oh so everyone just simultaneously knew about his record while watching the TV but the TV didnt say it? SOB

Maybe they just read the newspapers at the time of his previous court cases???

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:42pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:29pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:22pm: Smacks of hypocrisy of the highest order. Assange gets in trouble for letting ppl know about war crimes and the aussie media "leaks" ppls past personal records. SOB The media didnt leak it. My tap doesnt leak because I notice it, it leaks because the washer needs replacing. Oh so everyone just simultaneously knew about his record while watching the TV but the TV didnt say it? SOB

*smacks forehead*

Someone will access to the police records leaked it, the media reported it.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB

Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them.

His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record.

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record.

Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . .

Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record. Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . . Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander? SOB

He doesnt need to. That is for when he gets some lawyer to go to court to get it thrown out.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record. Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . . Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander? SOB

Why does he have too?  His response was something like "maybe they need to stop threating people then" or something like that.

How would he know he has been threatening people, oh thats right, two convictions.

You really are struggling with this arent you SOB

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record. Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . . Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander? SOB He doesnt need to. That is for when he gets some lawyer to go to court to get it thrown out.

He does need to back himself up if he is going to slander ppl in public . . . .

SO

Verge wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record. Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . . Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander? SOB Why does he have too?  His response was something like "maybe they need to stop threating people then" or something like that. How would he know he has been threatening people, oh thats right, two convictions. You really are struggling with this arent you SOB

I dont believe you - where are the links?

SOB

It's okay for him to drive a car into at someone - but when called a thug he becomes all weak and defenseless

Not so tough without his car now is he

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 1:46pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:41pm: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 12:19pm: cods wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 10:03am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 9:56am: Verge wrote on Aug 30th, 2012 at 8:49am: Its not slander if they are SOB. He was arrested, charged and before the courts for assult and obstruction. At the time Abbott made his speech he had a reasonable belief that they guy was in fact a thug. Its not slander if its true, and the actions of this guy now further prove the point. Abbott has no case to answer, but nice try. You arent making sense. He made the comment BEFORE the guy engaged in any "thuggish behaviour". It doesnt absolve abbott from slandering @ the time. SOB oh sob I do feel sorry for you.... this man has a record of violence.. Abbott wasnt referring to him trying to run someone over... this man is a UNION THUG...he harks back to the bad old days of painters and dockers. surely you dont support that behavior no matter how loyal you are? he has 6 assault charges against the police..alone. would you like one of yours to grow up to be like this man??? Oh cods i feel sorry for you . . . . Abbott didnt KNOW about those previous convictions and the media brought that out. Loyal? WTF are you talking about? Abbott was calling the guy names. He slandered him. SOB His two convictions and fines in 2003 and 2010 were quite high profile, and Abbott was well aware of them when he made the comments. He didnt slander him at all. How would you know? Did you ask him? Why didnt he mention it when he was asked about slandering the guy? SOB Considering I remember reading about them once all this blew up, Im sure Abbott was well aware of them. His convictions in 2003 and 2010 were a matter of public record. Then you wont have any problems finding links then . . . . Your justifications dont answer the question though. Why didnt abbott mention it when he was told he was being sued for slander? SOB He doesnt need to. That is for when he gets some lawyer to go to court to get it thrown out. He does need to back himself up if he is going to slander ppl in public . . . . SO

You are missing it, he has two convictions for abuse and intimidation.

Thats all the proof he needs.

Two convictions on the public record mate, and he didnt directly call him a thug, he made reference to the very behaviour he was convicted of.

It was quite clever actually.

Funny how many others in the room got what he meant as well.

Three decades of restraint by Unions and bad faith and thuggery by successive Governments and business...the Chickens are coming home to roost... :) :)

''So many of you have got to go onto sites every day and you've got to deal with the John Setkas of this world every day … the last thing you need is home visits.

''Those home visits we know take place. We know they take place because people like Mr Setka have told us that they take place.''

2 convictions, hmmm, lets see shall we SOB.