Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580

Houston, "we don't have a problem"

Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives.

Guildford wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

Houston, "we don't have a problem" Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives.

Yeah, no thanks to Gillard or Bowen.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:13am:

Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:08am: Houston, "we don't have a problem" Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives. Yeah, no thanks to Gillard or Bowen.

Actually no thanks to ANY politician.

Guildford wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:13am: Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:08am: Houston, "we don't have a problem" Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives. Yeah, no thanks to Gillard or Bowen. Actually no thanks to ANY politician.

Actually, thanks to the Coalition. They've had this same policy consistently for over a decade and have proven what everyone knew all along - Gillard and Bowen royally screwed up!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:18am:

Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:16am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:13am: Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:08am: Houston, "we don't have a problem" Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives. Yeah, no thanks to Gillard or Bowen. Actually no thanks to ANY politician. Actually, thanks to the Coalition. They've had this same policy consistently for over a decade and have proven what everyone knew all along - Gillard and Bowen royally screwed up!

Are you suggesting the independent panel wasn't independent, and was doing the oppositions bidding?

Guildford wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:18am: Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:16am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:13am: Guildford wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:08am: Houston, "we don't have a problem" Sorry just had to do it. Im just happy that sonething will be done for these people who risk their lives. Yeah, no thanks to Gillard or Bowen. Actually no thanks to ANY politician. Actually, thanks to the Coalition. They've had this same policy consistently for over a decade and have proven what everyone knew all along - Gillard and Bowen royally screwed up! Are you suggesting the independent panel wasn't independent, and was doing the oppositions bidding?

No, not at all. I mean, thanks to the Coalition for having a good policy for the panel to examine. I wonder if the panel would've come up with it if such a policy had never existed.

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Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580

As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!!

>:( >:( >:(

The basis of a democratic state is liberty.
Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580

It won't work. OP is lucky to have several retired admirals. These admirals have stated clearly that it won't work.

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 7:54am:

Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics

Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats

We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

If people come here illegally, are not seeking genuine refuge and only coming here with the intention of living off the taxpayer, effectively stopping the immigration of people who are actually seeking genuine refuge, then their dying means nothing to me. I couldn't care less.

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

I would like to think the boats will be towed to Nauru.. until they stop the people smugglers must be quaking in their boots.. be prepared for an onslaught of boats..until this stupid bloody govt gets Nauru ready..

I wonder if Angus will get his big kiss from juliar next time they meet???? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

any bets on Bowen losing his job??????


someone got it awfully wrong!!!!

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:54am: Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water.

we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17am: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:54am: Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water. we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place..

but that something you lefties will have to deal with...

Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here.


you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont..


but I do.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

That's why the Malaysian Solution didn't pass the High Court - the same policy leftards supports

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:32am: Maqqa wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17am: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:54am: Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water. we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place.. but that something you lefties will have to deal with... Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here. you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont.. but I do.

why bring Murdoch into this?

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:32am: Maqqa wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17am: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:54am: Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water. we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest maybe we will have an armada instead of one ship out there john..who knows..it will come at a price thanks to this govt dismantling it in the first place.. but that something you lefties will have to deal with... Australia has rights.. yes we do.. we have a right to protect our border and pick and choose who we allow to come here. you might not mind a bunch of criminals in a foreign country making a fortune out of telling us who we will take in and who we wont.. but I do.

be it one boat or an armada it makes no difference  ... try to turn back an Indonesian boat in Indonesian waters and it can be considered an act of war ... we cannot do it .. either legally or morally ....

At the end of the day, I would like to think we all care about what is best for these poor people who risk their lives.

Hence why a policy deterring them from getting into these boats is to be welcomed.

Removing Nauru and bringing Christmas Island back into the immigration zone was two of the worst mistakes the Government made on asylum policy.

Big Win for Abbott
Huge loss for Gillard

Win for common sense

Loss for obstinate stupidity

HIGE LOSS for the Greens :)

There is simply no legal entitlement to just get on a boat and come to Australia and no legal obligation on Australia to accept anyone not a citizen of this country... :) :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work...

Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT


Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved".

However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said.

"You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580




THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say.

The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk

I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin.

I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up  ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk

Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk

Then maybe it is time to end the billions of dollars we give them in aid each year until they are willing to accept the basic notion of accepting responsibility for these boats. After all, we wil only have to do this a few times and the boats wont even try it.

Get tough with Indonesia. They only respond to force and pressure. 30 years of dithering on East Timor acheived nothing until Howard was willing to set up a multi-national force that would do something regardless.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:10pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin. I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up  ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott

Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy!

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:35pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:10pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin. I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up  ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy!

good to see him finally say yes to this ....

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:11pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:35pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:10pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk I saw phony tony claim this morning boats could be towed back and he expects that to be part of any deal he makes, I hope the smug prick demands that, it will be the final nail in the wankers coffin. I knew he would try to find an excuse to not sign up  ... he just cannot accept any solution to the asylum seeker issue ... it's just not in him to say YES. If he doesn't sign up to the recommendations it will be the end of Abbott Abbott has agreed to all 22 recommendations. and why not? most of them are HIS policy! good to see him finally say yes to this ....

Good to see hey. Indefinate detention on Nauru. noice.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk

Australia can turn boats away we are under lawful obligation to citizens as defined under the constitution... :) :)

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580

Why doesn't our navy use the refugee boats for target practice?

The Collins subs could do with a bit more practice.

Verge wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 12:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue.

... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS



The situation is NOW
Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL


It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters


Abbott is either ...

1/  a LIAR

2/  a clever CON ARTIST

3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

Australia has already made its decision, if you are not down with that, I suggest you leave or I call on the Government to deport you... :) :) :)

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

as stated before. take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act according to their obligations. Indonesians dont do anything for anyone unless threatened or paid off. We can do both.

how can a country refuse to accept people it has allowed into their country in the first place then allowed them to leave the country on very sinkable boats???

what would their excuse be not to take them back I wonder?????????????????

as a country whos defence forces far outweigh what Australian has...its ridiculous to even talk about them not being able to stop this..

the facts are they dont want too...


why should we accept the burden???

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

how can a country refuse to accept people it has allowed into their country in the first place then allowed them to leave the country on very sinkable boats??? what would their excuse be not to take them back I wonder????????????????? as a country whos defence forces far outweigh what Australian has...its ridiculous to even talk about them not being able to stop this.. the facts are they dont want too... why should we accept the burden???

That's my point. they have a moral obligation to accept the back. But morality is not something that enters their political decision making. But bribery and corruption does. So take away our aid money until they finally occasinoally actually do something for us in return.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY

DREAM ON

You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid

And nor SHOULD they

The notion is built on IMMORALITY






so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!..

when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES as stated before. take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act according to their obligations. Indonesians dont do anything for anyone unless threatened or paid off. We can do both.

Absolutely, I agree completely.

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

DREAM ON You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid And nor SHOULD they The notion is built on IMMORALITY so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!.. when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess.

The aid to Indonesian schools was started by the Howard government and relaunced by Labor. It builds and expands schools, trains teachers and accredits Islamic schools.

Former foreign minister Alexander Downer told The Age he had established the program to fund schools in Indonesia, to help the Indonesian government run a moderate national curriculum. He was unaware of what changes Labor might have made, but said: ''I wouldn't like to see the program I established cut.''

The program has long been touted as a way of fighting terrorism, by displacing schools that spread anti-West hatred.

Mr Abbott reaffirmed his commitment to a Coalition government bringing aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national income by 2015.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/libs-would-make-indonesian-schools-pay-for-floods-20110208-1alms.html#ixzz23UXHxmor

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:30pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES take away their aid money (billions) until they agree to actually act DREAM ON You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid And nor SHOULD they The notion is built on IMMORALITY

it immoral to use foreign aid as a bribe but not to refuse to accept the obligation to look after the refugeesin their own country? Morality isnt just use white fellas doing the right thing. it involves them as well. And if it requires a bit of encouragement and bribery to act morally then so be it.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 2:30pm:

cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:45pm: DREAM ON You won't find ANY COLOUR of government trying to bargain with policy and foreign ( ... humanitarian) aid And nor SHOULD they The notion is built on IMMORALITY so if we find out the money is going on arms and land mines.. thats alright then as it would be immoral to stop the money!!!!.. when we see starving children and very very fat despots.....there is nothing immoral about that I guess. The aid to Indonesian schools was started by the Howard government and relaunced by Labor. It builds and expands schools, trains teachers and accredits Islamic schools. Former foreign minister Alexander Downer told The Age he had established the program to fund schools in Indonesia, to help the Indonesian government run a moderate national curriculum. He was unaware of what changes Labor might have made, but said: ''I wouldn't like to see the program I established cut.'' The program has long been touted as a way of fighting terrorism, by displacing schools that spread anti-West hatred. Mr Abbott reaffirmed his commitment to a Coalition government bringing aid to 0.5 per cent of gross national income by 2015. http://www.theage.com.au/national/libs-would-make-indonesian-schools-pay-for-floods-20110208-1alms.html#ixzz23UXHxmor

i DIDNT say he was GOING to cut the aid. making up that kind of stuffl is the place of labor supporters as we often see on here.

He should cut it though.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm: Verge wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 12:36pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 11:54am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 6:58am: Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... Indonesia has ALREADY ruled this OUT Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 THE Indonesian government has confirmed that it would not accept the towing back of asylum seeker boats to its shores, sources say. The policy puts an incoming Coalition government in Canberra on a collision course with Indonesia after the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, reiterated the stance yesterday. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-rejects-abbott-tow-back-boats-vow-20120705-21k82.html#ixzz23TuInfdk Since indoneasia is so corrupt, I expect them to be bought off on this issue. ... and onward, with the HYPOTHETICALS The situation is NOW Indonesia is UNEQUIVICAL It will NOT "take boats back" once out of Indonesian waters Abbott is either ... 1/  a LIAR 2/  a clever CON ARTIST 3/  in TOTAL DENIAL if the REALITIES Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

and what if they aren't so obliging?

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/10/predator-drone.jpg :) :)

do you plan on bombing them while they are in Indonesian waters or international waters? I'm pretty sure they aren't going to sit on the border for your convenience ....

Any Australian citizen has the constitutional right to defend their borders with force from unobliging invaders... :) :)

skippy. wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess.

What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip?
Call ghostbusters?
The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more.
It worked before, it will work again.
The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way.
And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'.
These boats are leaving from their ports.
Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

take away all indonesian foreign aid until they get with the concept of the mutual obligation. they take our money all the time but when asked to do ANYTHING, they decline.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:49pm:

take away all indonesian foreign aid until they get with the concept of the mutual obligation. they take our money all the time but when asked to do ANYTHING, they decline.

Yes, this is so true. I've been saying this for years now. We give Indonesia so much but what do they ever do for us? If they can't even do this then give them nothing. I wonder how they'd be without all of the money and resources we give them? And they're not even grateful.

sexy_beast wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:23am:

If people come here illegally, are not seeking genuine refuge and only coming here with the intention of living off the taxpayer, effectively stopping the immigration of people who are actually seeking genuine refuge, then their dying means nothing to me. I couldn't care less.

Shame.

Quote:

He says turning back boats heading towards Australia "can be operationally achieved" - but only with certain conditions attached around who processes the people on board. The conditions are not met at the moment - but could be in the future, he says.

What does this mean?

Is the focus here just on our end. Did the panel explore how Indonesia might respond?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:45am:

At the end of the day, I would like to think we all care about what is best for these poor people who risk their lives. Hence why a policy deterring them from getting into these boats is to be welcomed. Removing Nauru and bringing Christmas Island back into the immigration zone was two of the worst mistakes the Government made on asylum policy.

Those who care are happy to lift the refugee humanitarian intake to 20,000 people a year as recommended by the Houston panel.

That would exclude you and Tony.

And you too prevailing. Sorry about that, mate.

There is plenty of tax payers money in the Refugee industry and the UNHCR and international aid agencies trade in human flesh... :) :)

MOTR wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 2:26am:

Quote: He says turning back boats heading towards Australia "can be operationally achieved" - but only with certain conditions attached around who processes the people on board. The conditions are not met at the moment - but could be in the future, he says. What does this mean? Is the focus here just on our end. Did the panel explore how Indonesia might respond?

They noted that Indonesia would not agree to take them back which is why they said the policy was practical and gooo but cannot be used. And after all, you just assume Indonesia wont do-operate with anything you ask, It just saves time.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:02pm:

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG !


http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

Angus Houston delivered a second slap in the face to Gillard when he said that turning back boats CAN work... http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580

Wow!  You must be an Olympic archer being able to draw a long bow like that!

Aussies unite against the foreign plot to strip our sovereignty and constitutional rights!!!   Keep the Australian Covenant...:) :)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports?

I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 10:39pm:

skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this.

Howard stopped doing this when boats sunk and people died.

It was John Howard who stopped turning boats around and this decision was forced on him after he had been responsible for people drowning.

John Smith wrote on Aug 14^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:17am: philperth2010 wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 7:54am: Quote: Former chief of defence Angus Houston said turning back the boats could be "operationally achieved". However, "the conditions for turning the boats back do not exist right now," he said. "That may change if we have arrangements with other regional countries that may be prepared to accept boats that are flagged to that particular nation. "You can't turn the boats back unless the country that is responsible for the flagged vessel is prepared to accept them back." The report identifies Indonesia as a "significant country" in regard to points of departure but also said that public statements by its politicians indicated its reaction to a turnback policy would be "negative". http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/turnbacks-will-work-but-under-new-rules/story-e6freuy9-1226449632580 As usual the faithful have completely ignored the whole crux of the argument......Indonesia will not take back asylum seeker boats and have indicated they have no intention to do so.....If everyone treated asylum seekers like Australia where would they go.....Australia is not deterring asylum seekers for any other reason than for domestic political gain.....Treating refugees like criminals is inhumane and persecutes very desperate people for no other reason than to deny them freedom.....Australia has nothing to be proud of and turning the boats back is still a stupid policy!!! >:( >:( >:( The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics Indonesia does have to take the boats - if the boats are in Indonesian waters then they are obligated to take the boats We have boats calling Australian radio station when they are still in Indonesian water. we can't turn back boats that are in Indonesian waters ... only those in international waters, and those Indoensia refuses to take back .... nice try Forrest

Using force on boats in international waters is called piracy, were not allowed to do that either.

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this. eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports? I'd have thought you would know better than that chook.

This has nothing to do with me.
And who really cares about smugglers rights?
They are criminals and nothing more.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:00pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this. eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports? I'd have thought you would know better than that chook. This has nothing to do with me. And who really cares about smugglers rights? They are criminals and nothing more.

Hey, you suggested it.  ::)

And they're only smugglers if they try to smuggle something/one into our waters. Otherwise they're just a boatload of sightseers and can do pretty much what they like in international waters.

Gist wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:55pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:40pm: Gist wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 8:00pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this. eerrmmmmm... that's known as piracy isn't it? Boarding vessels in international waters without cause and stealing their goods, forcing them at gunpoint. Pretty dodgy thing to do don't you think? Do you think Australia officially undertaking piracy against foreign boats could cause grief for Australian nationals in foreign ports? I'd have thought you would know better than that chook. This has nothing to do with me. And who really cares about smugglers rights? They are criminals and nothing more. Hey, you suggested it.  ::) And they're only smugglers if they try to smuggle something/one into our waters. Otherwise they're just a boatload of sightseers and can do pretty much what they like in international waters.

Including country shop somewhere else.
Refugees my arse.
Like all criminals who smuggle contraband, they are subject to being searched on the high seas.

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG ! http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif

Re-read what I said, you dunce!

Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple.

I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 6:22am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:48pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG ! http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif Re-read what I said, you dunce! Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters.

Then you are either stupid or ignorant or both. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's both. Try reading some of the previous posts and see if you can work out why.

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 8:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 6:22am: buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 15th, 2012 at 6:48pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:02pm: Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. If a boat is OUTSIDE Indonesian waters - it's ALREADY in international waters, you NONG ! http://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/dunce-cap-1.gif Re-read what I said, you dunce! Simple solution - our Navy patrols the waters just outside Indonesian territory and turns boats around before they can enter International waters. Simple. I said the Navy turns around boats BEFORE they enter international waters, i.e. before they leave Indonesian waters. Then you are either stupid or ignorant or both. Which is it? I'm inclined to believe it's both. Try reading some of the previous posts and see if you can work out why.

She is definitely BOTH.

Dnarever wrote on Aug 15^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 10:39pm: skippy. wrote on Aug 14th, 2012 at 9:24am: Indonesia DO NOT have to take the boats back if they don't won't to, are they are signatory to the UN convention for refos? If not they can say tough sh it. you conga line dancers don't care anyway, you would be pissed phony Tony's wedge has been removed, suck it up princess. What is Indonesia going to do with the boats then skip? Call ghostbusters? The last time under Howard, these boats were towed back after being boarded by naval personnel to the 12km line where international waters meet Indon waters, fuel was removed from the boats leaving just enough for a 12km journey back to the Indonesian mainland and no more. It worked before, it will work again. The Indonesians didn't 'like' it then either by the way. And it matters little what the Indonesians 'like'. These boats are leaving from their ports. Only a few need to be taken back, and they in the main will stop coming just like last time when they realise how serious the government is taking this. Howard stopped doing this when boats sunk and people died. It was John Howard who stopped turning boats around and this decision was forced on him after he had been responsible for people drowning.

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. Sound like anyone we know? No, it doesnt. Rudd and Gillard always pushed through with any and all policies regardless of the catastrophe they caused.

The dunce cap is hereby awarded to sh!t-for-brains and gist for possession of a minus IQ and an inability/unwillingness to comprehend simple facts.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

The dunce cap is hereby awarded to sh!t-for-brains and gist for possession of a minus IQ and an inability/unwillingness to comprehend simple facts.

Try reading and comprehension rather than just shooting your fat mouth off about stuff you know nothing about and you won't be so embarrassed in future.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation.

And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder.

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:38pm: The dunce cap is hereby awarded to sh!t-for-brains and gist for possession of a minus IQ and an inability/unwillingness to comprehend simple facts. Try reading and comprehension rather than just shooting your fat mouth off about stuff you know nothing about and you won't be so embarrassed in future.

I said boats should be turned around before they reach International waters. What is so hard to understand about that? You seem to suffer from a severe case of Leftardism!

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder.

Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? As for murder, more people have died under Labor's watch than under the Pacific Solution. Now go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on your head and think about what a dumb sock you are!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:47pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder. Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years?

No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance.

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:47pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder. Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance.

Unfortunatley, you reinterpret anything and everything you read and hear to suit your ideology. 'Turning back the boats' was supported except that it required Indonesian support which would not eventuate. Complain all you like but you just ignore what you dont like.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 5:01pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:47pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder. Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance. Unfortunatley, you reinterpret anything and everything you read and hear to suit your ideology. 'Turning back the boats' was supported except that it required Indonesian support which would not eventuate. Complain all you like but you just ignore what you dont like.

Q: How do you know if gold_medal_liar is lying? A: He's puts up a post.

The advice of the panel was:


Quote:

3.77 Turning back irregular maritime vessels carrying asylum seekers to Australia can be operationally achieved and can constitute an effective disincentive to such ventures, but only in circumstances where a range of operational, safety of life, diplomatic and legal conditions are met: [list bull-blackball] The State to which the vessel is to be returned would need to consent to such a return Turning around a vessel outside Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone (that is, in international waters) or ‘steaming’ a vessel intercepted and turned around in Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone back through international waters could only be done under international law with the approval of the State in which the vessel is registered (the ‘flag State’). A decision to turn around a vessel would need to be made in accordance with Australian domestic law and international law, including non-refoulement obligations, and consider any legal responsibility Australia or operational personnel would have for the consequences to the individuals on board any vessel that was to be turned around. Turning around a vessel would need to be conducted consistently with Australia’s obligations under the SOLAS Convention, particularly in relation to those on board the vessel, mindful also of the safety of those Australian officials or Australian Defence Force (ADF ) personnel involved in any such operation. 3.78 Circumstances have changed since the limited number of turnbacks of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers in Australia over a decade ago. The legal context has changed. The attitudes of many regional governments have evolved, raising the potential cost in terms of bilateral cooperation generally and coordination on people smuggling activities in particular. Furthermore, the pre-emptive tactics of people smugglers have adapted. Irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers can often be quickly disabled or rendered unsafe to foil any attempted turnbacks and to create a safety of life at sea situation. In addition, the potential dangers for asylum seekers and Australian personnel in effecting turnbacks have not diminished. (Attachment 8). 3.79 In implementing a turnback policy, an Australian Government would need to be mindful of the significant operational implications for the ADF . In particular, there must be a complete understanding that the Commanding Officer is best placed to assess the situation to determine if a turnback is feasible, safe and lawful. Furthermore, any implementation of the turnback policy would need to take careful account of the availability of major fleet units that would be suitable to conduct and sustain such operations. 3.80 In the Panel’s view, the conditions noted above and required for effective, lawful and safe turnbacks of irregular vessels headed for Australia with asylum seekers on board are not currently met in regard to turnbacks to Indonesia. That situation may change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place. It would only do so if the conditions outlined above (paragraph 3.77) are fully met and, in particular, if there are changes in the understandings that exist with regional states and if there is clarification of what constitutes safe and lawful conduct by Australian personnel.

Now you show me where in there it says they recommend DOING it. To me that looks like a list of about ten good reasons NOT to do it. Saying it could be done if ten complicated conditions are met is NOT the same as saying that it's a great idea ... unless you're a cheerleader like AP of course.

Looks like it's you that is doing the ignoring longliar.  :P

Gist wrote on Aug 16^th, 2012 at 7:10pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:01pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:47pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder. Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance. Unfortunatley, you reinterpret anything and everything you read and hear to suit your ideology. 'Turning back the boats' was supported except that it required Indonesian support which would not eventuate. Complain all you like but you just ignore what you dont like. Q: How do you know if gold_medal_liar is lying? A: He's puts up a post. The advice of the panel was: Quote: 3.77 Turning back irregular maritime vessels carrying asylum seekers to Australia can be operationally achieved and can constitute an effective disincentive to such ventures, but only in circumstances where a range of operational, safety of life, diplomatic and legal conditions are met: [list bull-blackball] The State to which the vessel is to be returned would need to consent to such a return Turning around a vessel outside Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone (that is, in international waters) or ‘steaming’ a vessel intercepted and turned around in Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone back through international waters could only be done under international law with the approval of the State in which the vessel is registered (the ‘flag State’). A decision to turn around a vessel would need to be made in accordance with Australian domestic law and international law, including non-refoulement obligations, and consider any legal responsibility Australia or operational personnel would have for the consequences to the individuals on board any vessel that was to be turned around. Turning around a vessel would need to be conducted consistently with Australia’s obligations under the SOLAS Convention, particularly in relation to those on board the vessel, mindful also of the safety of those Australian officials or Australian Defence Force (ADF ) personnel involved in any such operation. 3.78 Circumstances have changed since the limited number of turnbacks of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers in Australia over a decade ago. The legal context has changed. The attitudes of many regional governments have evolved, raising the potential cost in terms of bilateral cooperation generally and coordination on people smuggling activities in particular. Furthermore, the pre-emptive tactics of people smugglers have adapted. Irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers can often be quickly disabled or rendered unsafe to foil any attempted turnbacks and to create a safety of life at sea situation. In addition, the potential dangers for asylum seekers and Australian personnel in effecting turnbacks have not diminished. (Attachment 8). 3.79 In implementing a turnback policy, an Australian Government would need to be mindful of the significant operational implications for the ADF . In particular, there must be a complete understanding that the Commanding Officer is best placed to assess the situation to determine if a turnback is feasible, safe and lawful. Furthermore, any implementation of the turnback policy would need to take careful account of the availability of major fleet units that would be suitable to conduct and sustain such operations. 3.80 In the Panel’s view, the conditions noted above and required for effective, lawful and safe turnbacks of irregular vessels headed for Australia with asylum seekers on board are not currently met in regard to turnbacks to Indonesia. That situation may change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place. It would only do so if the conditions outlined above (paragraph 3.77) are fully met and, in particular, if there are changes in the understandings that exist with regional states and if there is clarification of what constitutes safe and lawful conduct by Australian personnel. Now you show me where in there it says they recommend DOING it. To me that looks like a list of about ten good reasons NOT to do it. Saying it could be done if ten complicated conditions are met is NOT the same as saying that it's a great idea ... unless you're a cheerleader like AP of course. Looks like it's you that is doing the ignoring longliar.  :P

Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you?

;D ;D ;D

When you get into big school and learn to read and write English instead of your native Gibberish then maybe I may take your English critique slightly seriously. Now here's some English homework to help you learn - show me where they said anything about it being a good idea. You are to provide a quote from the report itself thank you.

Until you do that take it as a given that you're considered among the lesser morons.

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 7:10pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:01pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 2:14pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:51pm: Gist wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 1:47pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 16th, 2012 at 12:50pm: Another way of looking at it is that Howard recognised a back policy when he saw it and rectified the situation. And yet Abbott doesn't recognise that exact same policy despite having lived through it himself as a minister in that government. Instead he demands against all advice that it be reinstated. That's beyond stupid. That borders on a knowing demand for willful murder. Against all advice? Did Angus Houston not recently advise the government to do what Abbott has been saying for years? No he didn't. If you had actually bothered to read the recommendations of the panel then you would know that. But feel free to continue wallowing in your ignorance. Unfortunatley, you reinterpret anything and everything you read and hear to suit your ideology. 'Turning back the boats' was supported except that it required Indonesian support which would not eventuate. Complain all you like but you just ignore what you dont like. Q: How do you know if gold_medal_liar is lying? A: He's puts up a post. The advice of the panel was: Quote: 3.77 Turning back irregular maritime vessels carrying asylum seekers to Australia can be operationally achieved and can constitute an effective disincentive to such ventures, but only in circumstances where a range of operational, safety of life, diplomatic and legal conditions are met: [list bull-blackball] The State to which the vessel is to be returned would need to consent to such a return Turning around a vessel outside Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone (that is, in international waters) or ‘steaming’ a vessel intercepted and turned around in Australia’s territorial sea or contiguous zone back through international waters could only be done under international law with the approval of the State in which the vessel is registered (the ‘flag State’). A decision to turn around a vessel would need to be made in accordance with Australian domestic law and international law, including non-refoulement obligations, and consider any legal responsibility Australia or operational personnel would have for the consequences to the individuals on board any vessel that was to be turned around. Turning around a vessel would need to be conducted consistently with Australia’s obligations under the SOLAS Convention, particularly in relation to those on board the vessel, mindful also of the safety of those Australian officials or Australian Defence Force (ADF ) personnel involved in any such operation. 3.78 Circumstances have changed since the limited number of turnbacks of irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers in Australia over a decade ago. The legal context has changed. The attitudes of many regional governments have evolved, raising the potential cost in terms of bilateral cooperation generally and coordination on people smuggling activities in particular. Furthermore, the pre-emptive tactics of people smugglers have adapted. Irregular vessels carrying asylum seekers can often be quickly disabled or rendered unsafe to foil any attempted turnbacks and to create a safety of life at sea situation. In addition, the potential dangers for asylum seekers and Australian personnel in effecting turnbacks have not diminished. (Attachment 8). 3.79 In implementing a turnback policy, an Australian Government would need to be mindful of the significant operational implications for the ADF . In particular, there must be a complete understanding that the Commanding Officer is best placed to assess the situation to determine if a turnback is feasible, safe and lawful. Furthermore, any implementation of the turnback policy would need to take careful account of the availability of major fleet units that would be suitable to conduct and sustain such operations. 3.80 In the Panel’s view, the conditions noted above and required for effective, lawful and safe turnbacks of irregular vessels headed for Australia with asylum seekers on board are not currently met in regard to turnbacks to Indonesia. That situation may change in the future, in particular if appropriate regional and bilateral arrangements are in place. It would only do so if the conditions outlined above (paragraph 3.77) are fully met and, in particular, if there are changes in the understandings that exist with regional states and if there is clarification of what constitutes safe and lawful conduct by Australian personnel. Now you show me where in there it says they recommend DOING it. To me that looks like a list of about ten good reasons NOT to do it. Saying it could be done if ten complicated conditions are met is NOT the same as saying that it's a great idea ... unless you're a cheerleader like AP of course. Looks like it's you that is doing the ignoring longliar.  :P Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you?

hahaha  ;D ;D ;D

you are a funny bugger, I'll give you that.

Gist wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:32pm: Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you? ;D ;D ;D When you get into big school and learn to read and write English instead of your native Gibberish then maybe I may take your English critique slightly seriously. Now here's some English homework to help you learn - show me where they said anything about it being a good idea. You are to provide a quote from the report itself thank you. Until you do that take it as a given that you're considered among the lesser morons.

You just keep up those delusions of yours that this was anything other than a massive policy defeat of Gillard and a truly impressive win by Abbott. Everyone else is saying exactly that. Or have you read any professional credible political analysts saying that Gillard had a win?

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Gist wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:32pm: Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you? ;D ;D ;D When you get into big school and learn to read and write English instead of your native Gibberish then maybe I may take your English critique slightly seriously. Now here's some English homework to help you learn - show me where they said anything about it being a good idea. You are to provide a quote from the report itself thank you. Until you do that take it as a given that you're considered among the lesser morons. You just keep up those delusions of yours that this was anything other than a massive policy defeat of Gillard and a truly impressive win by Abbott. Everyone else is saying exactly that. Or have you read any professional credible political analysts saying that Gillard had a win?

No quote eh? I am truly shocked.  ::) :-?

Gist wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:59pm: Gist wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:57pm: gold_medal wrote on Aug 18th, 2012 at 5:32pm: Comprehension remains a very poor skill in your corner. You really do only read what you want to read. The report identified the practical problems with the policy because they considered it a good idea but one which probably couldnt be implemented because of these reasons. You really dont possess the capacity to interpret and comprehend written English very well, do you? ;D ;D ;D When you get into big school and learn to read and write English instead of your native Gibberish then maybe I may take your English critique slightly seriously. Now here's some English homework to help you learn - show me where they said anything about it being a good idea. You are to provide a quote from the report itself thank you. Until you do that take it as a given that you're considered among the lesser morons. You just keep up those delusions of yours that this was anything other than a massive policy defeat of Gillard and a truly impressive win by Abbott. Everyone else is saying exactly that. Or have you read any professional credible political analysts saying that Gillard had a win? No quote eh? I am truly shocked.  ::) :-?

Why bother? Its not like you can comprehend English that well. Your degrees in art history and cross-stitch must be really useful...

gold_medal wrote on Aug 18^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Why bother? Its not like you can comprehend English that well. Your degrees in art history and cross-stitch must be really useful...

That reminds me!

I especially like that you keep mentioning those two degrees I mentioned. Because you see, YOU were claiming that truth or lie could be told simply by reading any given article. In fact you said:


gold_medal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

You mean you actually have to be TOLD the difference between an opinion peice and factual reporting? Are you seriously suggesting that you ability to comprehend the meaning of words and paragraphs is so limited that you are unsure which is which?

And so I threw that claim in about the two degrees and said:


Gist wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

Now... is that fact or opinion? Surely you can tell the difference.

And obviously you can't tell a feckin' thing because you swallowed it hook line and sinker and seem to think that you can use your obvious stupidity as some kind of taunt against me!

WRONG!  ;D ;D ;D

Moreover, you were obviously too stupid to even comprehend what I said. Maybe if I'd written it in Gibberish?

Ah, yes... once again we see that you're one of the lesser morons. No surprises there anyway. :D :D :D