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Message started by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 5:23am

Title: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 5:23am



Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Shane B on Jul 20th, 2012 at 8:21am
It's called weather.


Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Prevailing on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:24am
The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jul 20th, 2012 at 1:08pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 8:21am:
It's called weather.

YOU DON'T KNOW DIDDLY!

THE ANTI-CYCLONES OFF ANTARCTICA HAVE BEEN CHANGING FOR YEARS!!

-->THEY NO LONGER REACH INTO THE COUNTRY LIKE THEY USED TO AND RAINFALL FIGURES PAINT A VERY SCARY STORY!!!

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jul 20th, 2012 at 1:10pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:24am:
The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.

YOU also DON'T KNOW DIDDLY!

THE ANTI-CYCLONES OFF ANTARCTICA HAVE BEEN CHANGING FOR YEARS!!

-->THEY NO LONGER REACH INTO THE COUNTRY LIKE THEY USED TO AND RAINFALL FIGURES PAINT A VERY SCARY STORY!!!

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:34pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:24am:
The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.


These are not one off extreme weather events. They are record highs relative to record lows. How about next time you spend a little intellectual capital and read the graphs.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Shane B on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:37pm
LOL

The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:38pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 8:21am:
It's called weather.


If it was weather, you'd expect a distribution similar to the 1950s. An increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates a climate shift.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:42pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:37pm:
LOL

The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation.


What does record high mean?

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Shane B on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:48pm
But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s??

The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now.


Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:49pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:48pm:
But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s??

The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now.


According to who?

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:51pm
Here's another way to look at it. Each of the 13 months from June 2011 through June 2012 ranked among the warmest third of their historical distribution for the first time in the 1895-present record. The odds of this occurring randomly are 1 in 1.6 million.

Can you name one published climate scientist who is prepared to say the planet isn't  warming.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Shane B on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:58pm
The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice  - no denying that.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 20th, 2012 at 10:08pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice  - no denying that.


I bet you can't even quantify that. Of course it has warmed since the last ice age. What is your point.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by freediver on Jul 20th, 2012 at 10:42pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice  - no denying that.


It was cooling a few decades ago.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:40pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
The planets been warming since we came out of the last ice  - no denying that.


I bet you can't even quantify that. Of course it has warmed since the last ice age. What is your point.

Warming phase der.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by freediver on Jul 21st, 2012 at 7:35am
The denialists have a consistent pattern of picking two points, drawing a straight line between them, and saying that represents the entire pattern of temperature change. We see it all the time with their 'frost this morning, therefor no global warming' type arguments. Quite often this is literal - they give you two dates from the last decade, two temperatures and say that is the trend, but if you plot the data they were taking from the trend is always the opposite. That sort of BS simply cannot stand up to any sort of scrutiny. Eventually they get sick of looking like complete idiots. That is why denialism is on the decline.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Lobbyist on Jul 21st, 2012 at 12:10pm
Note south eastern USA where the drought is.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 21st, 2012 at 1:53pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 12:10pm:
Note south eastern USA where the drought is.


Might be useful if we were experiencing a La Nina event.




And there is little relief in sight.


Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jul 23rd, 2012 at 4:48pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:37pm:
LOL

The graphs tell you nothing about ranges of natural variation.

Shane B knows nothing about 'natural' variation!   ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jul 23rd, 2012 at 4:49pm

Shane B wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 9:48pm:
But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s??

The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now.

Where??

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Upton Sinclair on Jul 28th, 2012 at 9:50pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:40pm:
Warming phase der.


Caused by what? You can't jut hand-wave away all trends since the 1800's on the basis that it is some 'natural' (read: magical) recovery from the LIA. Global temperature only changes in response to something that changes within the system. The changes that resulted in the LIA are well understood, low solar activity combined with high volcanic activity, both those forcings 'recovered' in the early days of the 20th century. As solar input increased and volcanic aerosols declined the temperature increased correspondingly. But in the 1970's, temperatures diverged from the influences that resulted in the LIA and the subsequent recovery. That divergence can only be explained by the observable increase in the greenhouse effect.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm
progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 2:59pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:10pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M&sns=em

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M

Progs doesn't believe El Niņo or La Nina events either.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:33pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 28th, 2012 at 10:52pm:
progs doesn't even accept the planet is warming.

Temps have been steady since 98, so for now no.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M&sns=em

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y15UGhhRd6M

Progs doesn't believe El Niņo or La Nina events either.

yeh yeh deadhorse :D

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:13pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.


Watch the video, progs. Are you honestly telling us you don't understand the point that is being made.

Do you honestly believe the next significant El Niņo event won't deliver record high temperatures.

I've shown you what the trend looks like minus the short term forcings, yet you still pretend not to follow.


Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by skippy. on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:40pm
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progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.


Wow just wow. ;DI bet you believe that too, that is the sad reality of letting morons express opinion.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Grey on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:44pm

Prevailing wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:24am:
The drought is over in Australia so the scour the globe for any sign of extreme whether conditions to support their Nazi climate change ideology.


Western Australia has had the driest and sunniest July on record.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by skippy. on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:46pm
[quote author=1B2029262D170A480 link=1342725823/9#9 date=1342784901]But What about temperatures in the 1100s or 1600s??

The Roman Warm Period was warmer than now.

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OH LOL sorry prog, you just lost your moron of the day award,clearly dumbassed  by the matty sock, what a pisser matty, lol lol. :D :D

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:49pm

skippy. wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:40pm:
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progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.


Wow just wow. ;DI bet you believe that too, that is the sad reality of letting morons express opinion.

lol good one skip. I dont have to believe it, you dont have to believe it either. It just is.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:51pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.


Watch the video, progs. Are you honestly telling us you don't understand the point that is being made.

Do you honestly believe the next significant El Niņo event won't deliver record high temperatures.

I've shown you what the trend looks like minus the short term forcings, yet you still pretend not to follow.


Departure from homogenized data. 0.4 degrees over a century is not an issue. How much of that is from CO2 as in the other thread.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 29th, 2012 at 5:15pm
I see about 0.5 over the last 30 odd years. Would that be insignificant?

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by progressiveslol on Jul 29th, 2012 at 7:45pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
I see about 0.5 over the last 30 odd years. Would that be insignificant?

Peer-reviewed paper says an actual 0.4 rather than 0.7 over the century because of a bad bias in homogenized data.

0.4 it is.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by freediver on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:11pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 4:06pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 3:39pm:
So you accept that 1998 temperatures were affected by the strongest El Niņo event on record.

Has not warmed since 98. What in that statement do you not understand.


So what you are really saying is, frost this morning, therefore no global warming?

Do you believe that warming only occurs while the record highs are being set and it is decreasing at every other point in time?

Did you ever learn to fit a trend line to measured data in school?


Quote:
Departure from homogenized data. 0.4 degrees over a century is not an issue. How much of that is from CO2 as in the other thread.


Progs you will look less silly if you actually look at the graph before commenting on it.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 5:23am:


I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet. :)

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by MOTR on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:34pm
The pride you take in your ignorance is kind of disturbing. Can you explain how the increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates something other than a climate shift.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by Deathridesahorse on Jul 29th, 2012 at 9:09pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 5:23am:


I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet. :)

chickenlips can't look his kids in the eye!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:12pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 5:23am:


I do hope you are wearing your red crash helmet. :)

chickenlips can't look his kids in the eye!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Now here's a man who wears his red crash helmet daily.
And I know your not employed as a crash test dummy are you. ;D

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:16pm

MOTR wrote on Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:34pm:
The pride you take in your ignorance is kind of disturbing. Can you explain how the increase in record highs relative to record lows indicates something other than a climate shift.


Ask me in two hundred years eh.
Your 50 years of weather changes means nothing in the greater scheme of things, and never did.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by freediver on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:46pm
It means a lot to the people who will be living through the next 50 years.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
It means a lot to the people who will be living through the next 50 years.


Yes, many look to the weather to give them the excuse for their daily gripe.
It's too hot.
It's too cold.
It's rains too much.
I wish it would rain.
I don't like the wind.
I wish it would snow.
I hate snow.
I've heard it all freediver.
The only constant is that weather does change.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by freediver on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:58pm
You left out "my house just got washed away". Whinge whinge whinge.

Title: Re: Why denialism is in decline in the US
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Jul 30th, 2012 at 10:02pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
You left out "my house just got washed away". Whinge whinge whinge.


And the "My volcanic islands sinking".
Along with the "My house blew away".

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