I've got the killer flu H3N2
I'm getting worse, every day. Temp 39 & rising unless I use Panadol.
The doctor prescribed Tamiflu but all chemists
were sold out & it was ordered for me to pick up today
which is outside the 72 hour window -
so it will be a waste of $47.
Chemists are totally unprepared for the epidemic - they are useless
money making pricks.

At: supermarkets, chemists, workplaces, Dr's surgerys
people are coughing & sneezing uncontrollably -
spreading this killer disease.

Don't go to work - stay indoors, your life could depend on it.
The media is covering it up.




http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-11/australians-warned-of-killer-flu-season/4123184


Quote:

Updated July 11, 2012 21:09:06 Australian doctors are warning people to protect themselves against a potentially deadly flu virus which has killed seven people and put dozens in hospital. Doctors have warned the predominant H3N2 strain is associated with increased mortality. And authorities are concerned not enough people are being vaccinated against it, with 8,000 people already diagnosed with the flu this winter.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

I've got the killer flu H3N2 I'm getting worse, every day. Temp 39 & rising unless I use Panadol. The doctor prescribed Tamiflu but all chemists were sold out & it was ordered for me to pick up today which is outside the 72 hour window - so it will be a waste of $47. Chemists are totally unprepared for the epidemic - they are useless money making pricks. At: supermarkets, chemists, workplaces, Dr's surgerys people are coughing & sneezing uncontrollably - spreading this killer disease. Don't go to work - stay indoors, your life could depend on it. The media is covering it up. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-11/australians-warned-of-killer-flu-season/4123184 Quote: Updated July 11, 2012 21:09:06 Australian doctors are warning people to protect themselves against a potentially deadly flu virus which has killed seven people and put dozens in hospital. Doctors have warned the predominant H3N2 strain is associated with increased mortality. And authorities are concerned not enough people are being vaccinated against it, with 8,000 people already diagnosed with the flu this winter.

poor diddums, princess. I have it too and it sucks. But Im not having a whinge about it. It taking panadeine and getting loits of rest. do the same.

Poor bobby. Aussies have no hygeine etiquette. People coughed all over me on my trip to Bne, then I end up sick when I get to Thailand for my holiday. No worries here though, plenty of cheap drugs, no script needed, but that doesn't help you, does it. Keep up the liquids, heaps of fluids and plenty of paracetamol to keep your temp in check. I've always said when the sh1t hits the fan we're on our own.

Can you believe they ran out of Tamilflu, bloody hell! who's looking after the people?

We should start wearing face mask to keep the germs out, better for our own protection.

Every flu is a "pandemic" and "the big one". The stupid vaccinations they urge you to get are not for the one going around Never is. In fact they are prolly a scam.

I had the bad one last year. Hope i dont get it this year too.

SOB

You will be fine, although it could give you a predisposition to similar strains later on.
Prevention is better then cure tho for future reference.

Tamiflu pffft.

Good food, water, rest and a teaspoon of cement will fix you right up.

If I don't make it , it was nice knowing all of you.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 9:25am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 8:36am: I've got the killer flu H3N2 I'm getting worse, every day. Temp 39 & rising unless I use Panadol. The doctor prescribed Tamiflu but all chemists were sold out & it was ordered for me to pick up today which is outside the 72 hour window - so it will be a waste of $47. Chemists are totally unprepared for the epidemic - they are useless money making pricks. At: supermarkets, chemists, workplaces, Dr's surgerys people are coughing & sneezing uncontrollably - spreading this killer disease. Don't go to work - stay indoors, your life could depend on it. The media is covering it up. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-11/australians-warned-of-killer-flu-season/4123184 Quote: Updated July 11, 2012 21:09:06 Australian doctors are warning people to protect themselves against a potentially deadly flu virus which has killed seven people and put dozens in hospital. Doctors have warned the predominant H3N2 strain is associated with increased mortality. And authorities are concerned not enough people are being vaccinated against it, with 8,000 people already diagnosed with the flu this winter. poor diddums, princess. I have it too and it sucks. But Im not having a whinge about it. It taking panadeine and getting loits of rest. do the same.

time to call in another miracle from your paranormal friend :D LOL

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

If I don't make it , it was nice knowing all of you.

Is this how you got it?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_in0lPyljD1E/SwG3215etLI/AAAAAAAAABs/sHoogfRSSmw/s1600/swine-flu.jpg

SOB

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

If I don't make it , it was nice knowing all of you.

I know how you feell booby... this particular flu is quite nasty and far worse than anything Ive had before. chronic joint pain and headaches that just wont stop. But you will live to annoy us another day!!!

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 11:30am: If I don't make it , it was nice knowing all of you. I know how you feell booby... this particular flu is quite nasty and far worse than anything Ive had before. chronic joint pain and headaches that just wont stop. But you will live to annoy us another day!!!

Well - I think I'll survive  - no thanks to Julia Gillard.

How come all the wholesale suppliers have run out of Tamiflu?

The Govt.  the military, the police & important public servants in hospitals have 5 minute access to these life saving drugs - why?
because they were hoarded after the SARs outbreak & the H1N1 outbreaks.

Joe average in the street can't get them in the vital 72 hour window to save their life.

Ordinary taxpayers - pay for the Govt to hoard these drugs for themselves -
it doesn't matter if we die. We are all disposable.

When will Julia Gillard & her cronies face trial for gross
criminal negligence & the deaths of perhaps 1000's of Australians
from their failure to release their stockpiles when we have an epidemic?


Tony Abbott needs to step out & say that he would release
these life saving drugs to save people's lives.
Labor has no values anymore.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 1:46pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2012 at 11:30am: If I don't make it , it was nice knowing all of you. I know how you feell booby... this particular flu is quite nasty and far worse than anything Ive had before. chronic joint pain and headaches that just wont stop. But you will live to annoy us another day!!! Well - I think I'll survive  - no thanks to Julia Gillard. How come all the wholesale suppliers have run out of Tamiflu? The Govt.  the military, the police & important public servants in hospitals have 5 minute access to these life saving drugs - why? because they were hoarded after the SARs outbreak & the H1N1 outbreaks. Joe average in the street can't get them in the vital 72 hour window to save their life. Ordinary taxpayers - pay for the Govt to hoard these drugs for themselves - it doesn't matter if we die. We are all disposable. When will Julia Gillard & her cronies face trial for gross criminal negligence & the deaths of perhaps 1000's of Australians from their failure to release their stockpiles when we have an epidemic? Tony Abbott needs to step out & say that he would release these life saving drugs to save people's lives. Labor has no values anymore.

they probably sold most of it to the chinese  really cheap :(

but just imagine how much lost revenue because of lost productivity :(

Bioweapons, Dangerous Vaccines,
And Threats Of A Global Pandemic
By Stephen Lendman
7-7-9

Although international law prohibits the use of chemical and bacteriological weapons, America has had an active biological warfare program since at least the 1940s. In 1941, it began secret developmental efforts using controversial testing methods. During WW II, mustard gas was tested on about 4000 servicemen. Biological weapons research was also conducted. Human subjects were used as guinea pigs in various other experiments, and numerous illegal practices continued to the present, including secretly releasing toxic biological agents in US cities to test the effects of germ warfare.

The Hague Convention of 1907 banned chemical weapons usage, and the 1928 Geneval Protocol prohibited gas and bacteriological warfare. The 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) "Prohibit(ed) the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and Their Destruction." The 1989 Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act "implement(ed the) Prohibition of the Development, Production, and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and Their Destruction...."

In 2001, the Bush administration rejected the 1972 BWC, took advantage of a loophole allowing "prophylactic, protective or other peaceful uses," continued a secret Clinton administration bioweapons initiative, and asserted its right to spend multi-billions illegally to develop, test and stockpile "first-strike" chemical and biological weapons that potentially can kill millions.

In his August 14, 2008 article titled, "The Pentagon's alarming project: Avian Flu Biowar Vaccine," F. William Engdahl cited:

"alarming evidence accumulated by serious scientific sources that the US Government is about to or already has 'weaponized' Avian Flu. If reports are accurate, this could unleash a new pandemic on the planet that could be more devastating than the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic which killed an estimated 30 million people worldwide before it eventually died out. Pentagon and NIH experiments with remains in frozen state of the 1918 virus are the height of scientific folly" unless something more nefarious is afoot in collaboration with Big Pharma to produce weaponized viruses and/or dangerous mandatory vaccines that, at the least, can cause serious autoimmune diseases or, as some allege, a Swine Flu or other viral pandemic.

Alarming News about Baxter International

On February 27, 2009, various news agencies including Helen Branswell in the Canadian Press, reported:

Baxter International that "released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed (today) that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses." The WHO said the incident occurred at the company's research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria, but claimed "that public health and occupational risk is minimal" thus far. What's not known, however, "are the circumstances" behind the incident that, according to some, raise suspicions while others call it a willful criminal act. More on that below.

The contaminated product, "a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 (Avian Flu) viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company....Avir Green Hills Biotechnology." It then "sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany."

The problem was discovered when The Czech Republic company discovered that ferrets innoculated with the product died. "Ferrets shouldn't die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses." Public health authorities called it a "serious error" that showed "the H5N1 virus in the product was live." But Baxter "has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event." Christopher Bona, the company's global bioscience communications director, did confirm that the material was a "live....experimental virus" made at the Orth-Donau research laboratory.

Security experts expressed alarm that something this serious could happen, calling the co-mingling (or reassortment) of human H3N2 with H5N1 avian viruses a dangerous practice that should never occur because of the potentially devastating effects to human health. "If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people," who, in turn, could transmit it to enough others to potentially cause a pandemic. So far, nothing this extreme has happened, but a future threat remains.

As Medical Director of the Natural Solutions Foundation, Dr. Rima Laibow warns about dangerous, toxic drugs and vaccines. On March 6, 2009, she posted a "Pandemic Flu Emergency Action eAlert on her healthfreedomusa.org web site stating:

"World media (outside America) are reporting that Baxter Pharmaceuticals has admitted that it 'accidently' contaminated various vaccine batches with Avian Flu viruses. These batches were shipped to 18 countries. Clearly, either 1. stupidity and incompetence (are to blame) or 2. intentional contamination of flu vaccine lots was at work."

Many Avian Flu vaccines compete with each other, yet they're "profitable ONLY if used in huge numbers." Although "Avian Flu has been slow to be become pandemic by 'jumping the species barrier' to humans in large numbers," might Baxter's "accident" be a way to do it? If so, Big Pharma will score "One of the biggest wins in history."

In fact, it already has after the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy (CIDRAP) reported that Congress (in mid-June) "approved $7.65 billion for battling pandemic influenza, more than three times what the House and Senate had earlier proposed." Unsurprisingly, it was part of "a $106 billion (Iraq and Afghanistan war) supplemental appropriation bill" to open a new front at home in the form of dangerous vaccines - perhaps to be mandated for everyone.

Laibow sees a "manipulated disaster of unprecedented magnitude precipitated by unprecedented avarice and greed," and adds that "Baxter International Inc. is no stranger to recalls and lethal contaminations." Its record includes producing faulty infusion and volumetric pumps, HIV-2 tainted Albumin Buminate 5 percent, faulty dialysis machine tubing and blood-cleaning filters, and various other products that should make everyone leery of its soon-to-be-released Swine Flu vaccine. Along with similar ones from other pharmaceutical companies, these drugs cause serious autoimmune diseases and absolutely should be avoided, even if mandated.

Laibow expresses great alarm in stating:

"Baxter mixed a virus which has a hard time infecting people (H5N1 Avian flu) with one that infects them easily ("Seasonal Flu") in a medium which can promote mutations of the H5N1 virus into a type which can infect us easily. What will be in the vaccine you are forced/coerced/threatened into allowing into your body? Who knows?"

What is known are our constitutional and Nuremberg Code rights. The Fifth Amendment protects against abusive government authority in stating that "No person shall....be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...." The Eight Amendment prohibits "cruel and unusual punishments." Depriving someone of health is tantamount to the latter as well as life by harming and potentially shortening it.

The Nuremberg Code requires voluntary consent of human subjects without coercion, fraud, deceit, and with full disclosure of known risks. It also affirms that experiments should avoid "all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury," and should never be conducted if there's "an a priori reason to believe death or disabling injury will occur" or harm to human health.

The FDA as an Industry Front Group

As stated on its web site, the FDA is mandated to protect human health and well-being.

As an agency in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), "The FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy, and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation's food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation."

Run by officials of the industries it "regulates," it fails on all counts. Byron J. Richards is a clinical nutritionist and founder of Wellness Resources. In his book "Fight for Your Health: Exposing the FDA's Betrayal of America," he discusses FDA complicity with Big Pharma, dangerous drugs worth billions of dollars to the industry, and the serious risks to people who use them. He states:

"The FDA has put into mothballs its federal mandate to protect the public. In order to foster drug sales, the FDA hides important medical data from the public and from doctors, including the risks of heart attacks, suicide, seizures, and serious mental-health debility. Even worse, the FDA has changed sides. They are actively undermining the rights of citizens to claim damages if injured by drugs. And they are seeking to remove safety barriers to drug testing. They are planning to expose many individuals to unproven drugs, a new form of human experiment" that may rise to a higher level if HHS mandates dangerous Swine Flu vaccines for all Americans despite no forensic evidence of an outbreak or even a single proved death attributable to H1N1.

Yet, in advance of what looks to be coming, on June 11, the WHO declared that "The world is now at the start of the 2009 influenza pandemic (in) decid(ing) to raise (its) influenza pandemic alert from phase 5 to (its highest) phase 6" level.

Dr. Laibow advises that everyone has a "right to say "NO!" to vaccinations and other treatments that (they) do not want. The Police Power of the State ENDS at my skin and yours!" If a pandemic erupts, as a longtime natural health practitioner, she advises what she'll use herself - Nano Silver as well as vitamins, minerals, and herbs like echinacea that boost 

that boost the immune system, unlike dangerous vaccines that destroy it. For more information, she directs individuals to the web site: <http://www.nutronix.com/naturalsolutions>www.nutronix.com/naturalsolutions.

WHO, CDC, and Canada's Public Health Agency (PHAC) Fearmongering Misinformation

Besides declaring its highest Level 6 influenza pandemic alert on June 11, the BBC reported on July 3 that WHO's Director-General, Dr. Margaret Chan, warned that the spread of swine flu is "unstoppable" while admitting that most cases are mild and many people recover unaided.

On June 25, Daniel DeNoon in WebMD Health News reported that CDC's influenza surveillance chief, Dr. Lyn Finelli, said: "Right now, we are estimating over 1 million (Swine Flu) cases in the US" in 2009 affecting about 6% of households in major cities. She, too, admitted that the vast majority of cases have been mild but avoided the fundamental issue - that no forensic evidence attributes a single death globally to Swine Flu and all or most known instances may be ordinary viral influenza or common colds, bad enough to cause fever (at times high) and discomfort, last several days and then pass for most people.

With no proof, Finelli cited 3065 Swine Flu hospitalizations and 127 deaths. In a June 26 telebriefing, Dr. Anne Schachat, CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases director, cited no verifiable forensic documentation in saying:

"The novel H1N1 (Swine Flu) influenza is continuing to spread here in the United States and around the globe. The key point is that this new infectious disease is not going away. In the US, we're still experiencing a steady increase in the number of reported cases (and they're just) the tip of the iceberg." She added that vaccines are being hurriedly produced. No decisions have been made about "which populations" will need them, but "it's very important for states and communities to begin intensifying their efforts on planning to administer a vaccine should such be necessary in the fall," especially for "young people including school children, pregnant women, babies, and adults, particularly younger adults with those underlying conditions...." That said, it "doesn't mean we've finalized any vaccine recommendations."

On June 21, Canada's National Post published Sharon Kirkey's Canwest News Service report headlined, "Vaccinate Canadians under 40 and (aboriginal) natives first: experts." She added that "Under Canada's official pandemic plan, the entire population would ultimately be immunized against H1N1 swine flu," but not at once as vaccines will only be available in batches.

Canada's Public Health Agency (PHAC) "is working on a priority list," effective for all provinces and territories. Gymnasiums will be used for mass vaccinations of school children, but no final decisions have been made.

In a June 26 news release, PHAC reported that "The Government of Canada today launched a three-year public education campaign to encourage parents to have their children immunized against certain diseases before the age of two. The Honorable Leona Aglukkaq, Minister of Health, made the announcement at the annual meeting of the Canadian Paediatric Society" saying that "Immunization is one of the best tools we have to protect the health of our children."

In fact, all vaccines are dangerous and should be avoided. They contain squalene-based adjuvants that cause a menu of autoimmune diseases in test subjects. In humans they include chronic fatigue, various type rashes, chronic headaches, anemia, aphthous ulcers, seizures, weakness, neuropsychiatric problems, ALS, Raynaud's phenomenon, and multiple sclerosis, among other illnesses and diseases, some causing death.

It's why Dr. Laibow says "No insurance company in the world will insure against" their risks. In America, a special fund "has paid out over 2 billion dollars to parents of children killed or maimed by vaccinations." However, the vast majority of those harmed are never compensated, and US law 'immunizes' drug companies from lawsuits.

Laibow adds:

"In fact, vaccines are explicitly acknowledged NOT to protect against diseases they supposedly are designed to prevent (read the Package Inserts for vaccines, available on line and in your doctors' offices if you doubt that) and often" cause them.

Yet they continue in use because they're so "immensely, enormously and hideously profitable," and Big Pharma has enough clout to proliferate products that "in a rational society (should) be banned forever."

Bioterrorism Criminal Charges Filed

On June 10, Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister filed sweeping criminal charges with the FBI in addition to earlier ones on April 8 with the Vienna State Prosecutor's Office against Baxter AG, Baxter International and Avir Green Hill Biotechnology AG, "for manufacturing, disseminating, and releasing a biological weapon of mass destruction on Austrian soil between December 2008 and February 2009 with the intention of causing a global bird flu pandemic virus and of intending to profit from that same pandemic in an act that violates laws on international organised crime and genocide."

Baxter operates Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) labs that take strict precautions to assure no possibility of accidental H3N2 and H5N1 co-mingling contamination unless something more nefarious is afoot.

BLS-3 personnel are trained in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents and are supervised by competent scientists with extensive experience with them. In addition, these labs have specially engineered design features for added safety.

On its web site, CDC lists four biosafety levels:

-- BLS-1 labs are "suitable for work involving well-characterized agents not known to consistently cause disease in healthy adult humans, and (pose) minimal potential hazard to laboratory personnel and the environment."

-- BLS-2 labs are "similar to Biosafety Level 1 and (are) suitable for work involving agents of moderate potential hazard to personnel and the environment. It differs from BLS-1 in that (lab personnel) have specific training in handling pathogenic agents," and are "directed by competent scientists." In addition, access to the labs are limited, and "extreme precautions are taken with contaminated sharp items...."

-- BLS-3 labs work with "indigenous or exotic agents which may cause serious or potentially lethal disease as a result of exposure by the inhalation route. Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents." Labs also have "special engineering and design features," and follow strict procedures. In addition, protective clothing, equipment, and other extreme precautions are taken.

-- BLS-4 labs are for the most highly toxic and dangerous agents - ones "that pose a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease." As a result, the strictest possible procedures and precautions are always taken.

By combining human influenza H3N2 with bird flu H5N1 virus in its BLS-3 lab, "Baxter produced a highly dangerous biological weapon with a 63 per cent mortality rate. The H5N1 virus is restricted in its human-to-human transmissibility, especially because it is less airborne."

"However when....combined with seasonal flu viruses (easily transmitted by air), a new flu virus is created which is unknown to the human immune system and which will have a severe impact on an unprotected population. A deadly virus of this kind could spread around the world in a short time and (potentially) infect millions and even billions of people."

Baxter (via Avir) "distributed (72 kilos of) contaminated (live bird flu) vaccines using false concealment and a false labels to 16 laboratories in Austria and....other countries at the end of January/beginning of February, potentially infecting at least 36-37 laboratory staff, who (were) treated preventively for bird flu and ordinary flu." On the same day, 18 Avir employees were as well at Vienna's Otto Wagner Hospital.

Burgermeister cited a Baxter-Avir 2006 contract with Austria's Health Ministry for 16 million vaccine doses in case a bird flu pandemic was declared. She maintains that this "laboratory incident shows that national and international authorities are not able to fulfill their obligations to ensure the safety of the Austrian people" and claims that authorities were engaged in a cover-up.

"If a pharmaceutical company can breach laws - and almost trigger a bird flu pandemic, which (potentially could spread worldwide) - without being made accountable for it....then there is, de facto, no rule of law on Austrian territory."

She also contends that Baxter's production system, "namely, the use of 1200 liter bioreactors and vero cell technology," meets "the technical criteria to be classified as a secret dual purpose large-scale bioweapon production facility (able to produce) a huge amount of contaminated vaccine material....rapidly."

"If (this) material were added to the 1200 liter bioreactors, it would replicate and infect the entire batch of vaccine material in (it). Contaminated material could (then) be distributed among sections of the population using false labels and secretly marked batches (able to) infect millions of people."

Burgermeister accused high-level Austrian Health and other Ministry officials of knowledge and support of this practice. Otherwise, controls would have been in place to prevent it. In June, she named drug producers Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi Aventis, world agencies, including the WHO, UN, and CDC, and high-level officials in Austria, other European countries, and America.

Whether or not there's enough evidence to substantiate her charges, her case is vital to alert people globally to the potential health threat they face because inadequate controls are in place if the worst occurs.

It highlights the importance of being alert to this and other potential health hazards given lax government regulations and public complicity with powerful corporate interests, that in alliance show a disturbing indifference to public safety and well-being - worse still because dominant print and broadcast media stoke fear by reporting misinformation to convince people to use dangerous drugs and vaccines they should avoid.

As they say, forewarned is forearmed. Better be safe than sorry. Something nefarious may or may not be afoot, but it's vital to learn the truth, know the risks, and assert your legal right to refuse all dangerous vaccines and other medications, even if mandated.

Stephen Lendman is a Research Associate of the Centre of Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net.

Hi Nail,
The  chemist had to phone around - he said there were 3 wholesalers
in Melbourne -
The first 2 had none left - the 3rd one had only a few packets
& I got one of them.
Even though the place was in Rowville - this side of town -
the wholsalers are not allowed to dispense drugs.
Therefore I had to wait 30 hours to get my Tamiflu.
It's only 1 hours drive away but Govt procedures prevented me or a friend
from picking it up for me.
The chemist was full of weak excuses as to why it couldn't be faster than 30 hours.
Anyway - I missed the vital 72 hours from time of exposure so
the $45  I paid is flushing money down the toilet.

I cannot believe that this country is run by such a bunch of bungling incompetents.
Who would employ people like that?
I wouldn't - they should all be in jail for criminal negligence.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

Hi Nail, The  chemist had to phone around - he said there were 3 wholesalers in Melbourne - The first 2 had none left - the 3rd one had only a few packets & I got one of them. Even though the place was in Rowville - this side of town - the wholsalers are not allowed to dispense drugs. Therefore I had to wait 30 hours to get my Tamiflu. It's only 1 hours drive away but Govt procedures prevented me or a friend from picking it up for me. The chemist was full of weak excuses as to why it couldn't be faster than 30 hours. Anyway - I missed the vital 72 hours from time of exposure so the $45  I paid is flushing money down the toilet. I cannot believe that this country is run by such a bunch of bungling incompetents. Who would employ people like that? I wouldn't - they should all be jail for criminal negligence.

derryn hinch was having a go at an overpayed public servant today. You won't believe what these chairbound idiots get away with :(

http://www.humanheadline.com.au/Hinch-Says/ethics-anyone


Quote:

There are a bunch of public servants knocking off for the weekend just about now who have just completed another arduous week toiling away at their desks in the office of the State Services Authority. I’ve talked to people who used to work there at 3Treassury Place just two doors down from Premier Baillieu’s office. So I have some idea how they have spent their week. Trying to fill in their days, writing position papers and ethical guidelines and brochures and pamphlets which will eventually get printed and read by very few people and then be out-of -date and get pulped. They even design book marks and postcards. And their publications have titles like: Managing Poor Behaviour in the Workplace. Great Manager, Great results And Developing Conflict Resilient Workplaces. They even put out an Ethics Resource Kit. One person who obviously didn’t read the ethics kit, or if she did read it she didn’t follow the suggested guidelines, is the head of the department Karen Cleaves. She’s been away from her desk in recent months – stood down on full pay. It’s about five months since she lied to Police and tried to run interference for her teenaged son after a car accident. Even pretended she had been the driver of the car and took a breath test after her son decamped. He’d just hit a tree in Malvern in her Government-issued car and done about $40,000 worth of damage. The accident happened in February. Ms. Cleave finally fessed up when an eye-witness – who happened to be a QC --  dobbed her in. And she’s been collecting her taxpayer-funded wage of about $25,000 a month ever since. I presume she is still getting it today, even after appearing in Court yesterday, admitting she had lied to Police, been ordered to pay $500 to charity and told to write a letter of apology to the police officer involved. The Acting Premier Peter Ryan says it’s up to the Premier to decide whether Karen Cleave keeps her job when he returns from vacation. She should have been sacked today or at least had her pay stopped and I believe if she had any moral compass she would resign. I mean, how can a person who is in charge of the public service ethics and standards agency, be allowed to stay in the job and adjudicate on other people’s transgressions when she has so deficient herself? There are still a lot of questions about all this? Weeks after  the accident Ms. Cleave finally told Police that she ‘panicked’ because after the accident her  18-year-old son, Morgan, had left the scene and walked home ‘to cool down’. And yet some witnesses say that after the accident two people arrived at the scene. Ms Clease stayed and the son drove away with the other person. According to the Police summary: ‘Cleave states that on seeing Police arrive she immediately panicked as Morgan had left the scene’. Why had he gone, leaving his mother to face the music? In her ‘panic’ she concocted a story about how she had been driving, must have got a flat rear tyre and lost control of the car. The Police summary says there was’ no evidence of any conspiracy to pervert the course of justice’. Really? No evidence that alcohol was involved. Well, there couldn’t be. The driver had scarpered so was not tested and the non-driver, Karen Clease, happily and safely took a negative breathalyser test. Magistrate Simon Garnett noted that references tendered on Ms Cleave's behalf all spoke of her good character and integrity. She showed no integrity that day. And should get no brownie points for ‘fessing up because she didn’t come clean until after Police received a call from a credible witness, Jack Hammond QC. Under the diversion program, which I thought was designed for young first offenders, Cleave walked away from court without a conviction being recorded. I’ll concede, the embarrassment, even public humiliation, and loss of her high-powered, highly-paid job, is punishment. But she should not appear at Treasury Place on the taxpayer’s payroll on Monday. Footnote: This is ironic. Last year, Karen Cleave’s organisation worked closely with Jack Rush QC on that inquiry into the Command, Management and Functions of the Senior Structure of Victoria Police. Imagine if those recommendations were applied to her case.

Hi Nail,
Good story -
there is only one solution:

The public needs to prepare for the next pandemic by stockpiling
their own anti-viral medication - items such as Relenza & Tamiflu.
I don't know if it's legal but you can buy it on the internet - import it here
& then only use it if you have a doctor's prescription.

We all need to prepared & stop relying on our useless government.
This information could save you or a loved one's life.
Get the same protection as the politicians & public servants.

The public needs to prepare for the next pandemic by stockpiling
their own anti-viral medication - items such as Relenza & Tamiflu.

Hope you're on the mend bobby.

Good advice bobby. I'm off to the medicine man today to get some to bring back, you can't rely on our over paid, over fed government to care about our health. I realised how  useless they are when they couldn't even get baby formula and milk into Qld when we had the floods.

Is there anything in the news about our government allowing this situation to occur? It should be at the forefront of the news, bureaucratic incompetence is incomprehensible.

its the flu people!! not the ebola virus.

your get sick and then you recover - just like every other disease you get during your life.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:52am:

The public needs to prepare for the next pandemic by stockpiling their own anti-viral medication - items such as Relenza & Tamiflu. Hope you're on the mend bobby. Good advice bobby. I'm off to the medicine man today to get some to bring back, you can't rely on our over paid, over fed government to care about our health. I realised how  useless they are when they couldn't even get baby formula and milk into Qld when we had the floods. Is there anything in the news about our government allowing this situation to occur? It should be at the forefront of the news, bureaucratic incompetence is incomprehensible.

Yes - it is unbelievable -
when you really need help -
when there is an epidemic -
that will be the time when you can't get the life saving drugs.

Who is responsible?
They should be in jail for life with no parole.
People die because of their incompetence.


By the way -
my temperature went from 39 down to 37 - normal within 8 hours of taking
Tamiflu - it's a miracle drug.
When I get a type A influenza I am normally crook for 6 weeks -
I reckon I'll be back at work on Monday or maybe Tuesday - within a week.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 9:33am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 8:52am: The public needs to prepare for the next pandemic by stockpiling their own anti-viral medication - items such as Relenza & Tamiflu. Hope you're on the mend bobby. Good advice bobby. I'm off to the medicine man today to get some to bring back, you can't rely on our over paid, over fed government to care about our health. I realised how  useless they are when they couldn't even get baby formula and milk into Qld when we had the floods. Is there anything in the news about our government allowing this situation to occur? It should be at the forefront of the news, bureaucratic incompetence is incomprehensible. Yes - it is unbelievable - when you really need help - when there is an epidemic - that will be the time when you can't get the life saving drugs. Who is responsible? They should be in jail for life with no parole. People die because of their incompetence. By the way - my temperature went from 39 down to 37 - normal within 8 hours of taking Tamiflu - it's a miracle drug. When I get a type A influenza I am normally crook for 6 weeks - I reckon I'll be back at work on Monday or maybe Tuesday - within a week.

Gawd. you had the flu. Get over it.

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

its the flu people!! not the ebola virus. your get sick and then you recover - just like every other disease you get during your life.

False - 1000s of people die from the flu every year.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 9:31am: its the flu people!! not the ebola virus. your get sick and then you recover - just like every other disease you get during your life. False - 1000s of people die from the flu every year.

yes, the elderly and the very young. in other words - the weak. they also die from colds and falls. but if youa re healthy - like the vast majority - you get over it. You are squealing like a little girl. grow up and act like a man for a change.

Listen here Longweekend you fool,

http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html


Quote:

1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic kills 700,000 people, due to the H3N2 virus.

Are you saying that all those 700,000 victims were unhealthy old people?
It's time you started trusting a scientist when he tells you something.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Listen here Longweekend you fool, http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html Quote: 1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic kills 700,000 people, due to the H3N2 virus. Are you saying that all those 700,000 victims were unhealthy old people? It's time you started trusting a scientist when he tells you something.

a few years ago when we had the predictable 'killer flu' scaremongering people were terrified by the reports of people dying from the flu. I remember Obama coming out and telling people that EVERY YEAR 300,000 people in the USA died from flu and in fact less people died that year than normal.

you get sucked in by the hysteria and the hype. and yes, he vast majority of the 700,000 were elderly, young or sick - just as it is every year.

Hi Longweekend,
So all the 40 million people who died of the Spanish flu were old, young or sick?
You have a habit of re-writing history.
Apologise because you're wrong.


http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html

Quote:

1918 The “Spanish Flu” pandemic, caused by the H1N1 influenza virus, kills more than 40 million people. The origin of H1N1 remains a mystery, but may have involved incubation in an intermediate host, such as the pig, or another as yet unidentified animal host.

The big one will happen again - it is inevitable.
I have laid forth proof in this thread that the Australian
government is incapable of defending us against another pandemic
because of their extreme incompetence.
Even worse - all the people in power will be saved but
not ordinary people like us unless we stockpile the new miracle drugs for ourselves.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Hi Longweekend, So all the 40 million people who died of the Spanish flu were old, young or sick? You have a habit of re-writing history. Apologise because you're wrong. http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html Quote: 1918 The “Spanish Flu” pandemic, caused by the H1N1 influenza virus, kills more than 40 million people. The origin of H1N1 remains a mystery, but may have involved incubation in an intermediate host, such as the pig, or another as yet unidentified animal host. The big one will happen again - it is inevitable. I have laid forth proof in this thread that the Australian government is incapable of defending us against another pandemic because of their extreme incompetence. Even worse - all the people in power will be saved but not ordinary people like us unless we stockpile the new miracle drugs for ourselves.

I dont see how its the government thats responsible for how much stock chemists keep.

SOB

Quote:

I dont see how its the government thats responsible for how much stock chemists keep.

It's not not the chemists but the wholesalers.
They obviously don't want to have a huge amount of stock
in case they don't sell it.
It should be obvious that the secret govt. stocks should be released in times of epidemics
but they are not.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Hi Longweekend, So all the 40 million people who died of the Spanish flu were old, young or sick? You have a habit of re-writing history. Apologise because you're wrong. http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html Quote: 1918 The “Spanish Flu” pandemic, caused by the H1N1 influenza virus, kills more than 40 million people. The origin of H1N1 remains a mystery, but may have involved incubation in an intermediate host, such as the pig, or another as yet unidentified animal host. The big one will happen again - it is inevitable. I have laid forth proof in this thread that the Australian government is incapable of defending us against another pandemic because of their extreme incompetence. Even worse - all the people in power will be saved but not ordinary people like us unless we stockpile the new miracle drugs for ourselves.

that's why the government is not concerned simply because they know their necks will be saved :(

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Quote: I dont see how its the government thats responsible for how much stock chemists keep. It's not not the chemists but the wholesalers. They obviously don't want to have a huge amount of stock in case they don't sell it. It should be obvious that the secret govt. stocks should be released in times of epidemics but they are not.

What secret govt stocks? And how do you know about them?

SOB

You have to read between the lines:


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/billions-for-tamiflu-may-be-wasted/story-e6frg8y6-1225808819444


Quote:

Earlier this year, the Australian government was claiming credit for having one of the world's biggest stockpiles of anti-flu drugs, including Tamiflu and the Australian-developed rival drug Relenza. The federal government allocated $123.8m in the 2004-05 budget for antiviral medications for pandemic flu, and another $166.5m in the 2008-09 budget for the replacement of expiring medicines and equipment in the national medical stockpile, which now includes 6.1 million courses of Tamiflu. A spokesman for the Department of Health and Ageing declined to say how much the government had spent on Tamiflu.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/swine-flu-drug-stockpiles-inadequate-20090427-ak1c.html


Quote:

The Australian Government has a stockpile of 8.7 million courses of Tamiflu and Relenza, covering about one-third of the population, putting it behind countries such as Britain and France, which have enough courses to treat over half their population. But with each course lasting about one week, Mr Cook said a three month pandemic meant just 5 per cent of the Australian population could be treated with the drug.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/flu-fear-prompts-rush-on-medicines/2005/09/24/1126982269473.html


Quote:

The Federal Government has stockpiled about 4 million doses of Tamiflu and a similar drug, Relenza, in readiness for a flu outbreak. But Health Minister Tony Abbott has said that amount would only be enough to protect a million workers in essential services for about six weeks.

Ok - who are these  1 million workers in essential services?

Who will be saved & who will die?

Can the Govt. show us their list of who gets it?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:43pm:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/flu-fear-prompts-rush-on-medicines/2005/09/24/1126982269473.html Quote: The Federal Government has stockpiled about 4 million doses of Tamiflu and a similar drug, Relenza, in readiness for a flu outbreak. But Health Minister Tony Abbott has said that amount would only be enough to protect a million workers in essential services for about six weeks. Ok - who are these  1 million workers in essential services? Who will be saved & who will die? Can the Govt. show us their list of who gets it?

most of them are useless bits of rubbish word smiths who couldn't even change a car tyre in an emergency !!

I added a poll:

Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic?

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

I added a poll: Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic?

I cant vote because i dont consider that the govt has anything to do with it. Its all to do with big money companies selling vaccines.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 1:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 12:54pm: I added a poll: Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic? I cant vote because i dont consider that the govt has anything to do with it. Its all to do with big money companies selling vaccines. SOB

Well then vote - not sure.

this new strain was developed in

an airforce weapons lab

just like the H1N1

http://www.sp@m.com/united-states/cdc-admits-the-a-h1n1-flu-was-created-in-a-government-lab/blog-67587/

CDC admits the A (H1N1) Flu was created in a government lab

From the CDC website:

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This report describes the successful reconstruction of the influenza A (H1N1) virus responsible for the 1918 "Spanish flu" pandemic and provides novel information about the properties that contributed to its exceptional virulence. This information is critical to evaluating the effectiveness of current and future public health interventions, which could be used in the event that a 1918-like strain reemerges, either naturally or through deliberate release. The knowledge from this work may also shed light on the pathogenesis of contemporary human influenza viruses with pandemic potential. The natural emergence of another pandemic virus is considered highly likely by many experts, and therefore novel insights into pathogenic mechanisms could contribute to the development of prophylactic and therapeutic interventions needed to control pandemic viruses.

What are the reasons for doing these experiments?
The influenza pandemic of 1918-19 killed an estimated 20 to 50 million people worldwide, many more than the subsequent pandemics of the 20th century. The biological properties that confer virulence to pandemic influenza viruses were poorly understood. Research to better understand how the individual genes of the 1918 pandemic influenza virus contribute to the disease process could provide important insights into the basis of virulence. This kind of information will enable us to devise appropriate strategies for early diagnosis, treatment, and prevention, should a similar pandemic virus emerge. Additionally, such research will provide us with general principles with which we can better design antiviral drugs and other interventions against all influenza viruses with enhanced virulence.

Who funded the work described in this article?
Work with the reconstructed 1918 virus was conducted at and supported by CDC. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) all provided support for many other aspects of this research.

When did CDC begin research on the 1918 virus?
CDC studies of the 1918 influenza virus were begun in 2004 with the initiation of testing of viruses containing subsets of the eight genes of the 1918 virus. Previous articles describing the properties of such viruses were published before 2005. Reconstruction of the entire 1918 virus was begun in August 2005.

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TO VIEW THE REST / COMPLETE INFORMATION ON THE CDC'S WEBSITE, CLICK ON http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/ABOUT/QA/1918flupandemic.htm

http://www.nowpublic.com/strange/proof-h1n1-influenza-swine-flu-was-manmade-june-27-09

Proof that the H1N1 Influenza A(Swine Flu) was ManMade June 27 09

This informative video with investigative journalist Wayne Madsen on RT or Russia Today sheds some light on the Swine flu outbreak.  Wayne Madsen through his reporting and researching has found with the help of H1N1 lab experts that this infact was manufactured to resist vaccines.  Thus proving that this strain of influenza is very uncommon and is virtually a "smart bug" .  Mr Madsen outlines the newest mutated versions found throughout the globe as well, I fear that we have not seen the full potential of this pandemic.  Autumn and winter months may bring this influenza into overdrive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5njKdVtHeY

Wayne Madsen - Swine h1n1 flu made in lab

Light - don't tell us these things - they're too scary.

I cant vote because i dont consider that the govt has anything to do with it. Its all to do with big money companies selling vaccines.

________

government monarchies the vatican corporations

news corps private banks secret organisations like

the cfr the trilateral commission the bilderberg group

among others,

all connected through freemasonry

however

is this positive or negative?

connect the truths

namaste

-:)

Light - don't tell us these things - they're too scary.

_________

you may try to run from fear

you will face this ready or not

i suggest stand in that LIGHT that resides within you

bodhisattva

-:)

Light - youtube is full of these scary videos.
No scientist should have anything to do with manufacturing viruses -
it's pure evil.

bodhisattva  to you too.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Listen here Longweekend you fool, http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/avianflu/timeline.html Quote: 1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic kills 700,000 people, due to the H3N2 virus. Are you saying that all those 700,000 victims were unhealthy old people? It's time you started trusting a scientist when he tells you something.

Seriously bobby.....read the timeline...1968 was before Tamiflu was invented....look at the 2003 outbreak.

the 72 hour window is about peak efficiency for the drug...it's NOT a instant death sentnce to go over the 72 hours...

IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB

WTF? You really are an idio.......

Oh, wait......no i agree with that.

;) :)

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

I added a poll: Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic?

I'll be bunkered in out the bush shooting you sick pricks with my slug gun to keep you away.

And roasting kangaroo.

;)

8-)

;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

FriYAY wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 12:54pm: I added a poll: Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic? I'll be bunkered in out the bush shooting you sick pricks with my slug gun to keep you away. And roasting kangaroo. ;) 8-) ;D

And making cockatoo soup??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 2:38pm: IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

I didnt say vaccines. I said the so-called "cures".

However now you mention it - ever noticed how the vaccine is always for last years flu?

SOB

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 3:21pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 12:54pm: I added a poll: Do you feel safe from the next killer flu pandemic? I'll be bunkered in out the bush shooting you sick pricks with my slug gun to keep you away. And roasting kangaroo. ;) 8-) ;D And making cockatoo soup??

Nah, throw a few yabbies on the BBQ.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB

Read the reseach on Tamiflu before opening your big mouth.
One thing is for sure - if we had a pandemic Julia Gillard
would get her packet of  Tamiflu within 5 minutes of needing it
while you & I would get nothing.

How come on Friday the 13th of July 2012 - according to my chemist -
there were only 2 packets of Tamiflu available for the entire population of 4.5 million people in Melbourne?
I got one of them.
This is a disgrace & someone needs to be held responsible & serve jail time.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 3:55pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 2:38pm: IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... I didnt say vaccines. I said the so-called "cures". However now you mention it - ever noticed how the vaccine is always for last years flu? SOB

What, so chicken soup and rest and lots of fluids don't work???
Wow...basically every one alive to day, isn't then??

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 2:38pm: IMO supposed "cures" dont do anything. The flu just runs its natural course. You can get stuff to make the symptoms easier to live with but it runs its course. SOB Read the reseach on Tamiflu before opening your big mouth. One thing is for sure - if we had a pandemic Julia Gillard would get her packet of  Tamiflu within 5 minutes of needing it while you & I would get nothing. How come on Friday the 13th of July 2012 - according to my chemist - there were only 2 packets of Tamiflu available for the entire population of 4.5 million people in Melbourne? I got one of them. This is a disgrace & someone needs to be held responsible & serve jail time.

If this "tamiflu" you speak of was a wondrous cure for flu then the media would be all over it and it would cost a fortune. No its another placebo. It may reduce the symptoms somewhat but the flu has to run its course.

SOB

Quote:

If this "tamiflu" you speak of was a wondrous cure for flu then the media would be all over it and it would cost a fortune. No its another placebo. It may reduce the symptoms somewhat but the flu has to run its course.

Borg - I know someone like you -
they always take the contrary point of view
just to be a pain in the arse.
The effectiveness of anti viral drugs is a whole new topic
which would take 100 pages to cover & even then you'd disagree
with scientific double blind placebo experiments.

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

__________

another lie by the id gizmo..

forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Quote: If this "tamiflu" you speak of was a wondrous cure for flu then the media would be all over it and it would cost a fortune. No its another placebo. It may reduce the symptoms somewhat but the flu has to run its course. Borg - I know someone like you - they always take the contrary point of view just to be a pain in the arse. The effectiveness of anti viral drugs is a whole new topic which would take 100 pages to cover & even then you'd disagree with scientific double blind placebo experiments.

Hahahaha. Well you are entitled to your opinion but i know ppl like you too. Hypochondriacs we call you guys. You think you are dying when you get a sniffle or a fever.

SOB

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... __________ another lie by the id gizmo.. forgiven namaste

Yeah..right..a 'lie' according to 'Rense.com' and the other assorted loony sites you seem to favour....
Here's a hint wharfy.....IF you recommend it, almost everyone on this forum believes it to be bullshit...

you are forgiven for continuous lies

and attacks

namaste

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

____________

focus on your statement here,

this is a lie

forgiven

namaste

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ____________ focus on your statement here, this is a lie forgiven namaste

And NO it's actually NOT a lie...

Wharfy, basically anyone with an IQ higher than the 'I need help tying my shoes' or the 'how do you make fire' level considers ANYTHING from 'Rense.com', 'InfoWars' or Alex Jones to be complete and total bullshit....

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste

Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers.
Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth
even when it is served to them on a a plate.

Namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:18pm: you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers. Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth even when it is served to them on a a plate. Namaste

Yeah, we prefer REAL 'truth' rather than ...'loopy truth'...

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

____________

focus on your statement here,

this is a lie

forgiven

namaste

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:16pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:18pm: you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers. Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth even when it is served to them on a a plate. Namaste Yeah, we prefer REAL 'truth' rather than ...'loopy truth'...

Gizmo - you are forgiven.
Go and sin no more.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:46pm:

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ____________ focus on your statement here, this is a lie forgiven namaste

aww...no response to 'we prefer real truth'??? I DO understand...the 'truth' you rabbitt on about is ONLY true when people are on the same drugs as YOU....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:46pm: Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ____________ focus on your statement here, this is a lie forgiven namaste aww...no response to 'we prefer real truth'??? I DO understand...the 'truth' you rabbitt on about is ONLY true when people are on the same drugs as YOU....

Gizmo - you're always on the bottle - you drunkard.

Anyway - Tamiflu is one of the new miracle drugs -
not a fake miracle like Longweekend gets in his prayers.

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

____________

focus on your statement here,

this is a mis-truth that you posted

you are forgiven

namaste

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:57pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:46pm: Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ____________ focus on your statement here, this is a lie forgiven namaste aww...no response to 'we prefer real truth'??? I DO understand...the 'truth' you rabbitt on about is ONLY true when people are on the same drugs as YOU.... Gizmo - you're always on the bottle - you drunkard.

Nope, not this time bobby..just 'anti -wharfy bullshit'...let's face it...wharfy is usally full of poo..

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/03/15/tamiflu-s-effects-on-your-brain.aspx

Tamiflu's Effects On Your Brain

The FDA has been reviewing reports of abnormal behavior and other brain effects in more than 1,800 children who had taken the flu medicine Tamiflu.

The symptoms have included convulsions, delirium or delusions, and in Japan, five deaths have been reported in children under 16 as a result of neurological or psychiatric problems. Four were fatal falls, and one was a brain infection in a patient with leukemia.

There have also been nine deaths among older teens and adults, attributed to neuropsychiatric problems or brain infections.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090810/tuk-tamiflu-harmful-to-children-dba1618.html

The True Epidemic Approaching: Mass Tamiflu Poisoning

The purpose of this thread is to provide a general overview of what Tamifluis and a brief look into the forces behind it in light of the latest frenzy of media activity regarding the swine flu.

What is Tamiflu?

Known by the trade name Tamiflu, Oseltamivir is a drug designed to treat flusymptoms after initial onset marketed to all individuals over one year of age. It functions by serving as an inhibitor to the proteins that a virus requires to break out of cells upon mass replication within the cell body - which presumably wind up dieing out within their cellular prison. The end result is that if taken within 48 hours of the onset of symtoms, it can reduce the duration of the illness by about 30% or 1.3 days. It has been recommended as a mechanism to offset symptoms as well as preventativemedication in communities with a suspected outbreak of the so called "Epidemic" flus of the past decade - from Avian Flu to the present Swine Flu.

Who distributes Tamiflu and how is it manufactured?

Oseltamivir is manufactured of llicium floridanum, or Chinese Star Anise, an herb indigenous to southeast Asia. During a 10 step process which takes a year to complete and involves some fairly precarious high explosive work, Shikimic acid is extracted from the plant and serves as the active ingredient in Tamiflu. It is refined into oral capsules as well as a spray for inhalation, and an injectable delivery system is presently being tested.

In a slightly off topic note, a warning was initiated by the FDA back in 2003 to avoid Star Anise teas, which were being marketed increasingly in the wake of the initial flu pandemic fears, due to an outbreak of illnesses including serious neurological effects such as seizures, vomiting, jitteriness and rapid eye movement. It was believed to be caused due to a contamination of Japanese Star Anise, a similar species of tree which is a known poison.

Oseltamivir itself was invented by Gilead Sciences Inc. in 1996, and due to lackluster sales the commercial and manufacturing rights were quickly sold to Roche of Switzerland - named top corporate criminal of the 90's by the Multinational Monitor - in exchange for annual royalties. Four years ago a dispute was settled in which Gilead charged Roche with failing to adequately promote and produce the drug as well as contamination issues and invoked a contract clause to demand the return of all commercial and manufacturing rights, which was settled by a payment of retroactive royalties as well as the creation of a body to promote globalized production of generic Tamiflu - somewhat coicidently in stride with a renewed burst of fear mongering in the media provoking a massive stockpiling of the drug. In the time since, amidst fears of global pandemic, stockpiling has gone global with countries everywhere scrambling to purchase the drug, which sells for upwards of 100$ a dose - with the increased demand leading to Roche outsourcing much of the production process - setting the stage for windfall profits.


What are the side effects of Tamiflu?



"Adverse drug reactions include: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and headache - rarer reactions include hepatitis and liver disorder, rash, severe allergic reactions, and Stephen-Johnson Syndrome (often fatal detachment of skin)... other ADRs reported in post-marketing surveillance including: toxic epidermal necrolysis (skin falling off), irregular heartbeat, seizure, confusion, abnormal behavior, inability to walk, convulsion, loss of consciousness, hallucination, aggravation of diabetes, and haemorrhagic colitis (digestive disorders)." -From Wikipedia and FDA reports

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

____________

focus on your statement here,

this is a mis-truth that you posted and continue

to avoid addressing

you are forgiven

namaste

See what I mean Bobby...his  last three response have been the same posts.....

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/03/15/tamiflu-s-effects-on-your-brain.aspx Tamiflu's Effects On Your Brain The FDA has been reviewing reports of abnormal behavior and other brain effects in more than 1,800 children who had taken the flu medicine Tamiflu. The symptoms have included convulsions, delirium or delusions, and in Japan, five deaths have been reported in children under 16 as a result of neurological or psychiatric problems. Four were fatal falls, and one was a brain infection in a patient with leukemia. There have also been nine deaths among older teens and adults, attributed to neuropsychiatric problems or brain infections. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090810/tuk-tamiflu-harmful-to-children-dba1618.html The True Epidemic Approaching: Mass Tamiflu Poisoning The purpose of this thread is to provide a general overview of what Tamifluis and a brief look into the forces behind it in light of the latest frenzy of media activity regarding the swine flu. What is Tamiflu? Known by the trade name Tamiflu, Oseltamivir is a drug designed to treat flusymptoms after initial onset marketed to all individuals over one year of age. It functions by serving as an inhibitor to the proteins that a virus requires to break out of cells upon mass replication within the cell body - which presumably wind up dieing out within their cellular prison. The end result is that if taken within 48 hours of the onset of symtoms, it can reduce the duration of the illness by about 30% or 1.3 days. It has been recommended as a mechanism to offset symptoms as well as preventativemedication in communities with a suspected outbreak of the so called "Epidemic" flus of the past decade - from Avian Flu to the present Swine Flu. Who distributes Tamiflu and how is it manufactured? Oseltamivir is manufactured of llicium floridanum, or Chinese Star Anise, an herb indigenous to southeast Asia. During a 10 step process which takes a year to complete and involves some fairly precarious high explosive work, Shikimic acid is extracted from the plant and serves as the active ingredient in Tamiflu. It is refined into oral capsules as well as a spray for inhalation, and an injectable delivery system is presently being tested. In a slightly off topic note, a warning was initiated by the FDA back in 2003 to avoid Star Anise teas, which were being marketed increasingly in the wake of the initial flu pandemic fears, due to an outbreak of illnesses including serious neurological effects such as seizures, vomiting, jitteriness and rapid eye movement. It was believed to be caused due to a contamination of Japanese Star Anise, a similar species of tree which is a known poison. Oseltamivir itself was invented by Gilead Sciences Inc. in 1996, and due to lackluster sales the commercial and manufacturing rights were quickly sold to Roche of Switzerland - named top corporate criminal of the 90's by the Multinational Monitor - in exchange for annual royalties. Four years ago a dispute was settled in which Gilead charged Roche with failing to adequately promote and produce the drug as well as contamination issues and invoked a contract clause to demand the return of all commercial and manufacturing rights, which was settled by a payment of retroactive royalties as well as the creation of a body to promote globalized production of generic Tamiflu - somewhat coicidently in stride with a renewed burst of fear mongering in the media provoking a massive stockpiling of the drug. In the time since, amidst fears of global pandemic, stockpiling has gone global with countries everywhere scrambling to purchase the drug, which sells for upwards of 100$ a dose - with the increased demand leading to Roche outsourcing much of the production process - setting the stage for windfall profits. What are the side effects of Tamiflu? "Adverse drug reactions include: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and headache - rarer reactions include hepatitis and liver disorder, rash, severe allergic reactions, and Stephen-Johnson Syndrome (often fatal detachment of skin)... other ADRs reported in post-marketing surveillance including: toxic epidermal necrolysis (skin falling off), irregular heartbeat, seizure, confusion, abnormal behavior, inability to walk, convulsion, loss of consciousness, hallucination, aggravation of diabetes, and haemorrhagic colitis (digestive disorders)." -From Wikipedia and FDA reports

Thanks Light - that's a good article.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:12pm:

See what I mean Bobby...his  last three response have been the same posts.....

But you have avoided addressing your mistake.
You are forgiven.

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

____________

focus on your statement here,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj0GnuZvDS4&feature=g-vrec

Abraham - How to focus

for id gizmo

forgiven for not yet focusing,however

you will

namaste

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 6:53pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:19pm: Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ____________ focus on your statement here, this is a lie forgiven namaste And NO it's actually NOT a lie...

Liar. You're clearly colluding with the freemason, Lois Pasteur, here.

Forgiven.

yes a blatant lie observed

yet forgiven without judgement

ignorance is no excuse for ignorance

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:39pm:

yes a blatant lie observed yet forgiven without judgement ignorance is no excuse for ignorance namaste -:)

That's right, Light. Lois Pasteur was most ignorant of biology - and so is the field of immunology. All freemasons.

Forgiven.

the correction existed

before the mis-truth was posted

namaste

-:)

Lies, Light. All lies.

We don't have antibodies in the 5th dimension. Why?

Because we have bodies of divine light.

yes all answers are within,case in point

......in accordance with the divine plan

namaste

-:)

True, Light. The divine plan is clearly to deceive us that our cells contain antibodies.

Divine plan forgiven.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 8:12pm: See what I mean Bobby...his  last three response have been the same posts..... But you have avoided addressing your mistake. You are forgiven.

what was my 'mistake'???

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE...

______________

in truth

there is no death

and so it is

namaste

-:)

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

Actually...NO spot, vaccines and 'cures' produce anti-bodies, which assist the body in fighting the virus.....without anti-bodies, you DIE... ______________ in truth there is no death and so it is namaste -:)

seriously....repeating the same post, over and over again doesn't make itany more true...it just makes you look stupid...

you have proven time and again

that your interpretaion of stupid is in fact

genius

and so it is

namaste

-:)

Exactly, Light. This Gizmo id is a ripe one. He thinks he has a body.

Ha!

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 9:22pm:

you have proven time and again that your interpretaion of stupid is in fact genius and so it is namaste -:)

Yeah..my interpretation of YOUR ideas ..is stupid..

And that's genius!

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:26pm:

And that's genius!

Hi Karnal,
Gizmo does hit the bottle every Saturday night.  ;D


Anyway - he is forgiven.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 10:26pm: And that's genius! Hi Karnal, Gizmo does hit the bottle every Saturday night.  ;D Anyway - he is forgiven.

I should hope so. Lucky he doesn't have any of those pesky antibodies to worry about.

Forgiven.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 10:41pm: Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 10:26pm: And that's genius! Hi Karnal, Gizmo does hit the bottle every Saturday night.  ;D Anyway - he is forgiven. I should hope so. Lucky he doesn't have any of those pesky antibodies to worry about. Forgiven.

I have a friend who drinks too much alcohol & he never gets the flu
or a cold yet I'm a teetotaler & I'm always getting sick -
go figure that?

He must have a very healthy body of light.

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:17pm: Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:16pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:18pm: you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers. Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth even when it is served to them on a a plate. Namaste Yeah, we prefer REAL 'truth' rather than ...'loopy truth'... Gizmo - you are forgiven. Go and sin no more.

Nah...sin is fun...

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 10:41pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 10:26pm: And that's genius! Hi Karnal, Gizmo does hit the bottle every Saturday night.  ;D Anyway - he is forgiven.

That's untrue...not every saturday night....every second saturday...and the occasional monday, and friday..

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:16pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:18pm: you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers. Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth even when it is served to them on a a plate. Namaste

Sorry bobby but wharfy has NEVER served up the truth 'on a a plate'....

Most of his crap is idiotic conspiraloon rubbish...even worse than nails stupid bullshit

Bobby. wrote on Jul 13^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

I've got the killer flu H3N2 I'm getting worse, every day. Temp 39 & rising unless I use Panadol. The doctor prescribed Tamiflu but all chemists were sold out & it was ordered for me to pick up today which is outside the 72 hour window - so it will be a waste of $47. Chemists are totally unprepared for the epidemic - they are useless money making pricks. At: supermarkets, chemists, workplaces, Dr's surgerys people are coughing & sneezing uncontrollably - spreading this killer disease. Don't go to work - stay indoors, your life could depend on it. The media is covering it up. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-11/australians-warned-of-killer-flu-season/4123184 Quote: Updated July 11, 2012 21:09:06 Australian doctors are warning people to protect themselves against a potentially deadly flu virus which has killed seven people and put dozens in hospital. Doctors have warned the predominant H3N2 strain is associated with increased mortality. And authorities are concerned not enough people are being vaccinated against it, with 8,000 people already diagnosed with the flu this winter.

I don't get sick.

Each winter, when my neighbours get colds and influenza, i don't

Why not ?

Because my immune system is strong [.....i would suppose].

70%-90% of my diet is uncooked, and unprocessed foods.





    DEFINITION of Toxemia and crises of Toxemia:--
    In the process of tissue building--metabolism--there is cell building [anabolism], and cell destruction [catabolism].
    The broken down tissue is toxic and in health--when nerve energy is normal--it is eliminated from the blood as fast as evolved.
    When nerve energy is dissipated, from any cause--physical or mental excitement or bad habits--the body becomes enervated, when enervated, elimination is checked, causing a retention of toxin in the blood or Toxemia.
    This accumulation of toxin when once established will continue until nerve energy is restored by removing the causes.
    So-called disease is nature's effort at eliminating the toxin from the blood.
    All so-called diseases are crises of Toxemia.
    J.  H.  TILDEN


Google...
"TOXEMIA EXPLAINED" pdf

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 7:16pm: it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 6:18pm: you are forgiven for continuous lies and attacks namaste Thanks Light for forgiving these non-believers. Gizmo & Borg have issues with the truth even when it is served to them on a a plate. Namaste Yeah, we prefer REAL 'truth' rather than ...'loopy truth'...

I'm a sceptic, an unbeliever.




Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened.
    - Winston Churchill



"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell








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Luke 7:35
.....wisdom is justified of all her children.

Yadda wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 1:37am:

I don't get sick. Each winter, when my neighbours get colds and influenza, i don't Why not ? Because my immune system is strong [.....i would suppose]. 70%-90% of my diet is uncooked, and unprocessed foods.     DEFINITION of Toxemia and crises of Toxemia:--     In the process of tissue building--metabolism--there is cell building [anabolism], and cell destruction [catabolism].     The broken down tissue is toxic and in health--when nerve energy is normal--it is eliminated from the blood as fast as evolved.     When nerve energy is dissipated, from any cause--physical or mental excitement or bad habits--the body becomes enervated, when enervated, elimination is checked, causing a retention of toxin in the blood or Toxemia.     This accumulation of toxin when once established will continue until nerve energy is restored by removing the causes.     So-called disease is nature's effort at eliminating the toxin from the blood.     All so-called diseases are crises of Toxemia.     J.  H.  TILDEN Google... "TOXEMIA EXPLAINED" pdf

I gave an old paperback copy of TOXEMIA EXPLAINED, to my neighbour and his wife [two unwell people!].

The neighbour later said that both he, and his wife  read it, and said that it made a lot of sense [in explaining why people suffer illness],
......but neither have changed their diet, or curbed their 'overconsumption'.

People do not [.....or rarely] want to know the truth, it would seem.

We would rather be left to our own 'devices', and then afterwards, we will whine, about the 'injustice' of the consequences of our own poor choices, .....as though the consequences of our choices were the fault of some other soul.





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"Many truths are found in sorrow."
Proverb

"Truth's best ornament is nakedness."
Proverb

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14^th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Anyway - Tamiflu is one of the new miracle drugs - not a fake miracle like Longweekend gets in his prayers.

Aha couldn't let it go huh. Well its not a "cure". It just relieves some symptoms while the flu runs its course. If it was a cure it would be all over the news and the media would have a field day "cure for flu found!" When I had the swiny in 1010 it would have been prescribed to me.

http://coldflu.about.com/od/flu/p/fluprofile.htm


Quote:

Is There a Cure?: There is no cure for the flu. There are some prescription antiviral medications, such as Tamiflu, that may help shorten the duration of the illness. However, Tamiflu is only effective if taken within the first 48 hours of the onset of symptoms. Your doctor will determine if these medications are right for you.

SOB

Quote:

Thanks Light - that's a good article.

Yeah well I looked it up to and the side effects of this tamiflu thing are not worth the hassle you are better off suffering through your flu imo. Especially don't give it to children. WTF drug has side effects of "abnormal behaviour". Really .. . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 15^th, 2012 at 4:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2012 at 8:03pm: Anyway - Tamiflu is one of the new miracle drugs - not a fake miracle like Longweekend gets in his prayers. Aha couldn't let it go huh. Well its not a "cure". It just relieves some symptoms while the flu runs its course. If it was a cure it would be all over the news and the media would have a field day "cure for flu found!" When I had the swiny in 1010 it would have been prescribed to me. http://coldflu.about.com/od/flu/p/fluprofile.htm Quote: Is There a Cure?: There is no cure for the flu. There are some prescription antiviral medications, such as Tamiflu, that may help shorten the duration of the illness. However, Tamiflu is only effective if taken within the first 48 hours of the onset of symptoms. Your doctor will determine if these medications are right for you. SOB

As far as I can make out - Tamiflu either kills the virus or
stops it multiplying so fast.
Your body will still build up it's own anti-bodies against the virus.

you may be hooked on tamiflu

are you a self confessed drug addict?

forgiven

namaste

http://www.infowars.com/gene-swapping-vaccines-spawn-lethal-poultry-virus-experts/

Gene-swapping vaccines spawn lethal poultry virus: experts

Reuters
July 14, 2012
Three vaccines used to prevent respiratory disease in chickens have swapped genes, producing two lethal new strains that have killed tens of thousands of fowl across two states in Australia, scientists reported on Friday.
The creation of the deadly new variant was only possible because the vaccines contained live viruses, even though they were weakened forms, said Joanne Devlin, lead author of the paper published in the journal Science.
Devlin and her team discovered how closely related the two new strains were with viruses in the vaccines after analysing their genes.
“What we found was the field viruses … were actually a mixture of the genomes from different vaccine viruses,” said Devlin, a lecturer at the University of Melbourne’s School of Veterinary Science. “They actually combined, mixed together.”

http://tvnz.co.nz/technology-news/gene-swapping-vaccines-spawn-lethal-poultry-virus-experts-4968016

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/world_news/2012/07/questions_over_antibiotics_fed_to_chickens_N2.jpg
Three vaccines used to prevent respiratory disease in chickens have swapped genes, producing two lethal new strains that have killed tens of thousands of fowl across two states in Australia, scientists reported on Friday.

The creation of the deadly new variant was only possible because the vaccines contained live viruses, even though they were weakened forms, said Joanne Devlin, lead author of the paper published in the journal Science.

Devlin and her team discovered how closely related the two new strains were with viruses in the vaccines after analysing their genes.

"What we found was the field viruses ... were actually a mixture of the genomes from different vaccine viruses," said Devlin, a lecturer at the University of Melbourne's School of Veterinary Science. "They actually combined, mixed together."

The viruses emerged in 2008, a year after Australia started using a European vaccine along with two very similar Australian vaccines to fight acute respiratory disease in poultry. The illness causes coughing, sneezing and breathing difficulties in birds, normally killing 5 percent of them.

The two new strains, however, were far more harmful, and since they were created have killed up to 17 percent of chicken flocks across Victoria and New South Wales, the two main chicken rearing states in Australia.

"What could have happened was one chicken was vaccinated with one vaccine and later was exposed to the other vaccine somehow, from nearby chickens," Devlin said.

Agricultural authorities in Australia have been informed of the results of the study, and are considering how to prevent similar cross-overs happening again.

"Use of only one vaccine in a population of birds will prevent different viruses from combining," Devlin said.

"Authorities are reviewing labels on vaccine to change the way vaccines are used and prevent different vaccines being used in one population."