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Title: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by imcrookonit on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:16am
Public servants to rally over Queensland Government job cuts
by: Robyn Ironside From: The Courier-Mail July 06, 2012 PUBLIC servants plan to step up their industrial action against the Newman Government after it was revealed 2000 jobs would be slashed from Queensland Rail. :o A major rally has been planned for outside State Parliament on July 16 to protest job cuts in what is expected to be a precursor to wider industrial action. The Courier-Mail revealed yesterday the Government was considering slashing 2200 jobs from Queensland Rail, one in five positions at Translink, and 500 jobs were to go at the Department of Justice and Attorney-General. :( Similar reductions were being considered in other departments in addition to the about 3000 positions already abolished. Together Queensland state secretary Alex Scott said the rally would be held after work on July 16, to send "a clear message" to Premier Campbell Newman. ;) "This week we've seen the end of permanency in the public sector," said Mr Scott, referring to a directive that allows heads of department to retrench excess staff if they cannot be relocated to another position after four months. "While these job cuts are out of control, we need to make sure we continue to have a system of frank and fearless advice to government ministers independently of the political government." Mr Scott said industrial action was likely in late August or September. Transport Minister Scott Emerson yesterday revealed Queensland Rail executives initially suggested the State Government look at getting rid of train guards. :( As reported yesterday, the Government is now targeting the "bloated executive" of Queensland Rail along with hundreds of positions not related to service delivery. While Mr Emerson would not rule anything out in relation to the jobs of train guards, he said executive managers were told to look "a bit closer to home". |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by John Smith on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:18am
this is just the begining ... by the time Newmans finished you'll have to drive the trains yourself
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by MOTR on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:24am
They are called cars.
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:36am John Smith wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Calm down, he is only trying to stop us going broke after years of labor mismanagement. Here's a little bit of info both labor and greece failed to comprehend, you can't spend more than you earn. It wouldn't be so painful if they weren't so incompetent. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by warrigal on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:38am
lay the blame directly at the feet of the last administration, Anna Bligh and the Labor party
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by warrigal on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:44am
hey mabe they could take some of the useless workers sitting in offices in the Taj mahal QR office in Brisbane and put them out as train drivers and guards, then they actually might be doing somethimg useful.
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by ??? on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:45am
Isn't funny the State Liberals government slashs jobs the uneloyment rate goes up and the Federal Labor Government gets the blame
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by warrigal on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:49am
They wasted the great state of Queensland money, by glorifying the unions and the workers of the State.
now Campbell Newman is the one that has to try to fix it and take us back to the great state we once were. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Swagman on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:01am
Yeah I'll send a message today.
Good job your doing Mr Newman. You should be the PM not just the Boss of Toadland..... :) :) :) :) :) |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:07am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:36am:
So you sack the lowest paid workers and let them claim the dole for NOT working SOB |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by imcrookonit on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:10am
Yes and then blame THEM for being unemployed. :(
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:20am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:07am:
I haven't sacked anyone. I do want to see us not go down the path of greece and other failed states and live within our means. This may seem a totally alien concept to you lefties but this is what normal / good governments do. Unless these public servants are totally unemployable they should find work easy enough; just like the rest of us have to, when we become unemployed. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by longweekend58 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:21am wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:10am:
what do you know about he concept of 'work'? |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by imcrookonit on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:23am
I now more than enough about it. ;)
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:26am wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:23am:
You can sit and watch others do it for hours. ;D |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:33am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:20am:
So with that logic you must oppose: An extra tax burden on business so women on up to 150K will not suffer any salary loss to have a kid. Re-instating the non means testing of the 30% healthcare rebate The issuing of tax revenue to companies to reduce CO2 output, with no benchmarks of achievement required to qualify or retain said funding. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:35am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:20am:
Sure. I was accusing you personally of sacking all those ppl. Noice one. How exactly does sacking low paid public servants make us live within our means? You are just trolling with that last statement. You know its not that easy. Especially for ppl that have been working for years in the same job and now are over 50. SOB |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by imcrookonit on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:35am
Yes you can, or you can even work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week like I used to. :)
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Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:42am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:33am:
You must have a different dictionary to me, there isn't even a random connection between your inane ramble and my post let alone a logical one. You do realise I am talking about Queensland and maintaining a rational budget don't you? |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Swagman on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:43am wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:35am:
.......on the Bob Hawke surf, beer & pool team ;D |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:48am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:35am:
Maybe you should write what you mean. All Queensland public servants are paid out of the Queensland budget, have less, pay less; save more. This is how a budget works. If your glorious labor party didn't go on a mindless spending spree, borrowing millions of dollars and p1ssing it all away, then we would not be having this conversation now would we? Life and employment is the same for everyone, why do the public servants believe they are deserving of cradle to grave employment at the cost of the taxpayer, when the taxpayer does not have that privilege. This is the fault of the blight government and NO-ONE else. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:56am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:48am:
When the heck have i ever said i support labour you stinking lefty? It is not blighes fault that newman has decided to sack them. He has choices. He could choose not to fund a new railway for palmer - that would save a lot wouldn't it? There are other options i am sure rather than putting loads of low paid workers on the dole so you can pay them a couple dollars less (but not stop paying them) SOB |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:59am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:42am:
So how does Greece & failed states come into it then??? Your comparing QLD to countries now? And besides you state you want good financial management, yet seeing as no criticism has been forth coming of the above wealthfare handouts, I can only assume you are just paying lip service to the idea. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by progressiveslol on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:02am
No wonder we get into so much debt. Just listen to the answers that have no clue that public service jobs create massive debt while you have an over supply of them.
How do we keep getting this over supply from a labor government. Is that a constant pay back to the union from the labor government. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:12am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:56am:
You have the whine of a socialist wanting yet another hand out, so you can appreciate the mistake. He has to stop this state hemorrhaging money and going broke, because bligh wasted billions on bullsh1t infrastructure; SEQ water grid for one and a $6 mil winter olympic ski jump for our many many olympic ski jumpers here in QLD. ;D If you aren't smart enough to work out whose at fault for this problem then I pity you going through life so intellectually limited. BTW he has not offered to build a railway for either palmer or rinehart, both of which wanted to build their own personally funded railways; but you would have to understand the complexities of google to know that. We don't need all these superfluous public servant staring out the window, we have more than enough; the ones that are left will have to put in a solid 2 hrs work a day to make up the slack, that's all. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:20am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 9:59am:
For the slow learners (you), I was comparing the poor governance of socialist governments (labor)that couldn't balance the budget of a state school tuck shop, not so much their geo-political structure. The reason I am not comparing our state government budget with your need to bring in this inane non-sequitur of 'wealthfare handouts' is because they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with our or anyone else's state budget, they are federal government issues. Ya dill! |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Spot of Borg on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:25am Quote:
Your contempt for the ppl that were sacked and now have to navigate the dole is inspiring. He still has choices and he chose to take out out of the poor. SOB |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:40am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:25am:
It is not worse for them than it is for you or I, so when I see them crying rivers next time I'm unemployed I'll remember to do the same for them. They'll get a nice big taxpayer funded redundancy, so I think they'll do alright. His only choice is to do what ever is necessary to stop us from going broke, and if it means offing a few of our bloated public service, then so be it. BTW, referring to a well paid public servant as poor is soft c0ck gold. ;D |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Dnarever on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:40am
For anyone who works for a living votes Liberal - they only get what they deserve.
The historical facts are available - they always do this, in many cases a vote for Liberal is a vote for your own unemployment and a vote against your family. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Doctor Jolly on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:48am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:20am:
A lot of these european government have been right wing. The US, with crippling debt has been governed by what we would call right wing for the last 50 years. Greece's problem is not excess public spending, its its inability to collect enough tax (revenue). Ditto italy. Howard would have quite happily run up deficits in the boom times if costello didnt stop him. Being right wing does not mean you run surpluses. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:05am Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:48am:
Correct, being on the 'right' of politics doesn't always mean you run a surplus budget, but our dumb sh1t labor government consistently run a deficit by p1ssing away taxpayer money on cretinous infrastructure projects and bloated bureaucracies. And it is nearly always the responsibility of the right to bring it all back to surplus and in doing so always causes someone pain. I just get angry that these labor morons will always refuse accept responsibility for the fiscal damage they inflict. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by Dnarever on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:13am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:05am:
Correct, being on the 'right' of politics doesn't always mean you run a surplus budget, but our dumb sh1t Labor government consistently run a deficit by p1ssing away taxpayer money on cretinous infrastructure projects and bloated bureaucracies. You understand first of all that in Australia over more than the last 50 years that more Labor governments have produced a surplus than Liberal? Second it is these cretinous infrastructure projects which helps to produce the productivity levels leading to the growth which result in a surplus position. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:21am BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:05am:
A) "dumb sh1t labor government consistently run a deficit by p1ssing away taxpayer", "And it is nearly always the responsibility of the right to bring it all back to surplus", The first EVER surplus in Australian History was delivered by PJ Keating a Labor Treasurer, what happened to the liberals for the 90 odd years before him? B) "cretinous infrastructure projects" - I suppose this comes back to the BER & all those claims of unwanted halls & too small tuckshops. Yet in my area all schools are VERY happy with their allocation, in fact I believe the National figure is a 97% happy, 3% unhappy, about the average in any crowd, there's no pleasing some. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:28am Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:13am:
It's be nice if you could post some sort of evidence when you make these claims, not that I'm calling you a liar, but it would be nice non-the-less. Just wondering how this brilliant infrastructure project was going to meet your criteria of growth and surplus? Although Queensland is renowned for its tropical rainforests and golden beaches washed by warm ocean waves, the Bligh government had wanted the state to be a centre of excellence for snow ski-jumping. Mr Dickson said Labor had approved the development of the 36m high, 10m wide behemoth - complete with hydraulics and purpose-built lift - at the Sleeman Sports Complex, using the centre's new 50m swimming pool as a landing area. "Day by day, week by week the people of Queensland are discovering just how reckless the former government was with taxpayers' money," Mr Dickson said. "The fact that a Winter Olympic training venue was considered a priority at a time when 96 per cent of the Labor government's capital spending programs were being sourced through debt is simply beyond belief. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/m-chandler-ski-jump-facility-planned-by-former-queensland-labor-government-axed/story-e6freoof-1226397650637 |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:38am Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:21am:
You do realise this is about Queensland don't you? I thought the title might have been a dead give away. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by longweekend58 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 1:41pm Dnarever wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 10:40am:
and yet another fact-free, hysterical post from DNA. forgetting that unemployment is typically LOWER under libs than labor. but dont let a fact ruin a good partisan fantasy. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by dsmithy70 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 3:17pm BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 11:38am:
LOL yeah, but its a slow news day, so I thought I'd rile you up a bit ;) The snow jumping is certainly Cretinous, anymore of those examples or is it a one off. As for those surpluses seeing we are talking QLD, can you articulate how many & by whom? ALP = LIB = NAT = And were any posted before a surplus was achieved federally? |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by salad in on Jul 6th, 2012 at 4:27pm wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:16am:
What a load of cobblers. What we need is more migrants because they create jobs. Don't take any notice of the productivity commission because it wouldn't know sh!t from clay. Let's flood the country with job-creating migrants and let's ignore the growing numbers of unemployed or underemployed. Quote:
Australia....you're standing in it. |
Title: Re: On July 16 Send A Clear Message To Premier Newman. Post by BigOl64 on Jul 6th, 2012 at 5:02pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 3:17pm:
ummm, the water grid in SEQ, billions spent for zero need and then millions spent to not be able to pay our doctors and nurses. We had to get special trainers just to maintain our herd of white elephants. As for doing all that research, yeah .... that's not going to happen. My care factor is way too low for that. Just believe that labor were grossly incompetent and totally buggered our state and now Newman has to do the hard yards to get it back in order. Getting slaughtered in the election didn't happen because the were great administrators. |
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