EVEN if the carbon price is repealed by a Tony Abbott government, it is likely to be brought back again within a few years, according to a survey of experts who work for the heaviest-polluting companies.

The latest study of expectations about the climate change laws, by the Australian National University's Crawford School of Public Policy, found 40 per cent thought the scheme would be repealed by 2016. But 79 per cent expected a price on carbon to be in force by 2020.

''An overwhelming majority think there will be a carbon price in the medium to long term, but more than half the experts from liable entities think the legislation will be repealed along the way,'' said the economist Frank Jotzo, the author of a report on the survey.

'It really puts the spotlight back on to the uncertainty that is dominating the area.''

The Opposition Leader, Mr Abbott, has given a ''blood pledge'' to repeal the carbon price scheme if elected, either with the support of a defeated Labor party or after a double dissolution election over the issue. The survey received 76 responses from big emitters, the carbon finance and investment sector and other experts.

Dr Jotzo said he did not claim the survey was representative of all companies liable for the tax, but that the respondents were responsible for more than half the emissions covered by the scheme.

Among the big emitting companies directly charged the $23-a-tonne tax, slightly more than half expect it to be rolled back. Big emitters paying the tax were twice as likely to believe the scheme would be repealed as investors.

Other findings included 70 per cent of those surveyed believed the bipartisan emissions target of a 5 per cent cut below 2000 emissions levels by 2020 would still be in place in 2015. A quarter thought the target would become more ambitious. Hardly any thought it would be scrapped.

Three-quarters did not expect the Australian scheme to have linked with the seven-year-old European system by 2018. However, 60 per cent thought Australian businesses would be trading carbon permits with Europeans by 2020.

Seven out of 10 representatives from the big emitters said their companies had already cut emissions in anticipation of the carbon price, and 84 per cent said they expected to make cuts over the next three years.

Dr Jotzo said it suggested big emitters were not holding back in starting to cut emissions, but the extent of the action was likely to be limited by uncertainty over its future.

The ANU report follows a survey by multinational GE and The Economist finding that three-quarters of senior executives polled expected the scheme to survive, but only a third believed the opportunities created by carbon pricing would outweigh the longer-term risks of the scheme.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/big-polluters-convinced-carbon-price-is-here-to-stay-20120704-21hix.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

You're a fool.

The poll says nearly 80% expect a carbon tax to be in force, not that they want it. Expectations and desires are entirely different things!

They expect a price because they are rational. They know global warming is a reality and they know the price mechanism is the best way to deal with.

Can you name one business or country that is planning off the assumption that global warming is not real. I can name plenty that are.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

The poll says nearly 80% expect a carbon tax to be in force, not that they want it. Expectations and desires are entirely different things!

Even Mr Abbott thinks a carbon tax is logical.

So what is the purpose of repelling and then returning a carbon price?

How much money will it cost tax payers to try and repel via a DD and then court challenges and compensation payouts.

How much Liberals?

MOTR wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

They expect a price because they are rational. They know global warming is a reality and they know the price mechanism is the best way to deal with. Can you name one business or country that is planning off the assumption that global warming is not real. I can name plenty that are.

As I said, the poll stated that these people "expect" a carbon tax, not that they "want" it. Two entirely different things. If you'd asked me yesterday if I expect QLD to win the state of origin match last night, I'd have said yes I expect it but I hope not. See the difference now? This poll is hardly a ringing endorsement of the carbon tax and it does not say public opinion has shifted behind the carbon tax.

I'd say it's not a ringing endorsement of Tony's desire to remove the price on carbon.

how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future.

you are a joke.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 8:32am:

how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future. you are a joke.

is that like the imagining Whyalla would be wiped of the face of the earth?

79% of crown Corporate executive employees surveyed is an irrelevant survey.   After repealing the Carbon Pricing will be subject to High Court class action against the Crown a citizens referendum - end of story, end of carbon price.  The crown may not act in a manner contrary to  the  rights and interests of citizens natural rights under  the law.  The rule of law, democracy, you know about that stuff.

The Crown is skating in thin ice with conspiracy to over turn the rule of law.

So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway.

Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again.

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:10am:

So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway. Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again.

A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world?

____ wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am: So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway. Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again. A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world?

That is the only reason I would vote for a coalition government bringing in an ets. I would support that.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 8:32am:

how desperate do you pro-CT people have to get? now you are imagining things, misinterpreting comments and trying to predict the future. you are a joke.

Trying to predict the future? Whoa! Unheard of!!

NOBODY here would ever try to tell us the results for an election that's a couple of years off as though it's all done and dusted!

Would they??  :D :D

Julia Gillard is likely to face conspiracy charges for subversion of the rule of law and the rights of Australian citizens and go to gaol.

So they surveyed 10 companies out of thousands and thousands of companies in Australia

7 out of these 10 companies believe CT will come back

Therefore this MUST represent the general consensus

Maqqa wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

So they surveyed 10 companies out of thousands and thousands of companies in Australia 7 out of these 10 companies believe CT will come back Therefore this MUST represent the general consensus

Amongst the bigger polluters it is ... and they will be the biggest payers of this carbon price.



So I ask once again, how much would a DD cost. How much will legal litigation and compensation cost.

Is this illogical since a carbon price will be erected after this flight of fancy the Libs want to take Australia.

No wonder Costello thinks Abbott is an economic illiterate.

These criminal executives will likely be sacked and go to gaol.

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 10:24am:

____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am: progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am: So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway. Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again. A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world? That is the only reason I would vote for a coalition government bringing in an ets. I would support that.

AH yes so you would follow the rest of the world but you would never take decisive action to put your country in a leading position and do what is right by setting an example. Yep about covers the typical liberal mentality, don't do anything.

nairbe wrote on Jul 5^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:24am: ____ wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:23am: progressiveslol wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:10am: So 79% believe that we could get a labor government by 2020, that would lie to them and they will end up with an ETS anyway. Sounds possible. After all, we all know the new labor party and it is possible they could get elected again. A coalition government, if the rest of the world back a price on carbon, would a coalition government follow the world? That is the only reason I would vote for a coalition government bringing in an ets. I would support that. AH yes so you would follow the rest of the world but you would never take decisive action to put your country in a leading position and do what is right by setting an example. Yep about covers the typical liberal mentality, don't do anything.

Sorry, you must think I am suckered in by the pseudo science of catastrophic mann-made climate change. No, if the world does an ETS, then Australia (I) have little choice.

If the world does not follow the path of the pseudo science mann-made climate change, then I am dead against an ETS.

You sound like labor with their policies on the run. Lets do it now because everyone else is too dumb to figure out what us really really really smart people have that if you do something early, then you are setting yourself up for the future. Der, it can also set yourself up for failure. Labor all over. Nutty greens all over.

Lets get in early on something the world is walking away from. Genius.

Its simple a matter of legality, and the Crown does not have the power or the right to economically disadvantage citizens and subsidize foreign people and States.  It does not get any clearer than that, somebody is going to gaol for this.