I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months..

and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well..

at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly..

bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere..


no pain no shame.

pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair!

They'll keep doing it until they have a revolution on their greedy hands.

it doesnt help with respect does it?

I don't think the general public have much respect for pollies these days. They seem to be remembered for their lies more than their policies. Very few people trust them and they only vote because they are forced to.

Our parliament on both sides is a joke and it is clear that they don't give a stuff about the people of Australia.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 7:16am:

I don't think the general public have much respect for pollies these days. They seem to be remembered for their lies more than their policies. Very few people trust them and they only vote because they are forced to. Our parliament on both sides is a joke and it is clear that they don't give a stuff about the people of Australia.

I am with you there and this pay increase is almost an insult..they wont get the compensation haha.. so they get this instead..

they treat us as if we came down with yesterdays shower..and I dont like that.

after this boat debacle.. and the fact they have walked away from it.. after shedding the mandatory tears..I could not be more disgusted I am afraid.

big fat holiday big fat pay increase.. and what do we get?.. bugger all.

The only politician to criticize the pay rise is Christine Milne from the Greens.....The ALP and Coalition just idle up to the trough without so much as a squeal!!!

>:( >:( >:(

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

The only politician to criticize the pay rise is Christine Milne from the Greens.....The ALP and Coalition just idle up to the trough without so much as a squeal!!! >:( >:( >:(

Well good on her. It's a shame she's not prime minister.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 7:51am:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 7:45am: The only politician to criticize the pay rise is Christine Milne from the Greens.....The ALP and Coalition just idle up to the trough without so much as a squeal!!! >:( >:( >:( Well good on her. It's a shame she's not prime minister.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  ;D

you won't be laughing when we rise from the ashes of  the next great depression. What happens after capitalism? Have you even thought about it? I very much doubt it. You probably believe that growth is everlasting.

The way up will be built on the foundations of green technology and sustainability.

Does that sound like the sort of economy that would suit the righties who can only understand growth at all costs?

The death of capitalism will mean the death of the Liberal Party and all that is associated with it.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

you won't be laughing when we rise from the ashes of  the next great depression. What happens after capitalism? Have you even thought about it? I very much doubt it. You probably believe that growth is everlasting. The way up will be built on the foundations of green technology and sustainability. Does that sound like the sort of economy that would suit the righties who can only understand growth at all costs? The death of capitalism will mean the death of the Liberal Party and all that is associated with it.

hehe can someone get him his pills.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

you won't be laughing when we rise from the ashes of  the next great depression. What happens after capitalism? Have you even thought about it? I very much doubt it. You probably believe that growth is everlasting. The way up will be built on the foundations of green technology and sustainability. Does that sound like the sort of economy that would suit the righties who can only understand growth at all costs? The death of capitalism will mean the death of the Liberal Party and all that is associated with it.

It was a full moon last night.

Capitalism is doing just fine. Capitalism enables you to own a computer and surf the interwebs.

I'm going survivalist, hiding out in my fortified compound.

... wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

I'm going survivalist, hiding out in my fortified compound.

I thought I saw you on Discovery Channel the other week.
Do you drink your own Pee?

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

... wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:50am: I'm going survivalist, hiding out in my fortified compound. I thought I saw you on Discovery Channel the other week. Do you drink your own Pee?

I don't mind a tipple every now and again.

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 7:45am:

The only politician to criticize the pay rise is Christine Milne from the Greens.....The ALP and Coalition just idle up to the trough without so much as a squeal!!! >:( >:( >:(

it doesnt stop them TAKING IT THOUGH..

so dont kid yourself phil.. all those tears in the senate yet off they went.. its all words with them..

sorry they suck you in.

they can chain themselves to a tree when it comes to saving a tree.. yet what do those who are drowning get...yeah thats right a few phony tears..doesnt that do a lot of good?

btw another boats in trouble..being towed back whence it came..

you know I might just get used to a country run by the greens.. all I have to do is ask and I shall receive thanks to the greens.

they love giving out pay rises.. [as well as taking them].. they love putting up taxes but as jobs go then there wont be too many feeling the pain of paying taxes..so I can live with that.

the new green way is fewer jobs.. people who still have a job  will be working from home as cars will be illegal..unless windup.everything will be clean and sweet.. I quite like the idea.

cods wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 6:05am:

I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months.. and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well.. at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly.. bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere.. no pain no shame. pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair!

It's disgusting, cods.

Good to see Tony and Warren come out and criticise this, good on them!

cods wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 6:05am:

I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months.. and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well.. at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly.. bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere.. no pain no shame. pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair!

Cods,
When the Pollies get a rise, their salaries are often compared to CEO's who are often paid considerably more than the Pollies and therefore we should pay the Pollies more.

Well, I have no problem with CEO's, Pollies or anyone else getting large pay packets!

However, I would say that any & all of those pay packets, bonuses, incentives & any other "advantages" be conditional on those individuals earning their remuneration, by way of returning true value to their shareholders, their constituents or simply those they work for, particularly over the medium to longer term & NOT just the short term!

On that basis, I would suggest most CEO's & Pollies, FAIL MISERABLY and that most of these Pollies & CEO's should refund most of what they have been given.

I would suggest that the old, reliable "drovers dog" could probably do just as good or as poor a job, just by sitting down all day, wagging its tail!

In short, most of them look no further than their own self interest and that is short term as well.

Few of them would have any idea what the medium to longer term holds for themselves, certainly they have little idea, nor any interest in our long term interests! 

Other than that, I'm sure they're doing a great job?  

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 12:40pm:

cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 6:05am: I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months.. and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well.. at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly.. bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere.. no pain no shame. pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair! Cods, When the Pollies get a rise, their salaries are often compared to CEO's who are often paid considerably more than the Pollies and therefore we should pay the Pollies more. Well, I have no problem with CEO's, Pollies or anyone else getting large pay packets! However, I would say that any & all of those pay packets, bonuses, incentives & any other "advantages" be conditional on those individuals earning their remuneration, by way of returning true value to their shareholders, their constituents or simply those they work for, particularly over the medium to longer term & NOT just the short term! On that basis, I would suggest most CEO's & Pollies, FAIL MISERABLY and that most of these Pollies & CEO's should refund most of what they have been given. I would suggest that the old, reliable "drovers dog" could probably do just as good or as poor a job, just by sitting down all day, wagging its tail! In short, most of them look no further than their own self interest and that is short term as well. Few of them would have any idea what the medium to longer term holds for themselves, certainly they have little idea, nor any interest in our long term interests!  Other than that, I'm sure they're doing a great job?

Yes, CEOs (and various other professions) are payed a lot more than pollies, but the fundamental difference here is that WE pay the pollies.

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 6:05am: I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months.. and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well.. at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly.. bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere.. no pain no shame. pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair! Cods, When the Pollies get a rise, their salaries are often compared to CEO's who are often paid considerably more than the Pollies and therefore we should pay the Pollies more. Well, I have no problem with CEO's, Pollies or anyone else getting large pay packets! However, I would say that any & all of those pay packets, bonuses, incentives & any other "advantages" be conditional on those individuals earning their remuneration, by way of returning true value to their shareholders, their constituents or simply those they work for, particularly over the medium to longer term & NOT just the short term! On that basis, I would suggest most CEO's & Pollies, FAIL MISERABLY and that most of these Pollies & CEO's should refund most of what they have been given. I would suggest that the old, reliable "drovers dog" could probably do just as good or as poor a job, just by sitting down all day, wagging its tail! In short, most of them look no further than their own self interest and that is short term as well. Few of them would have any idea what the medium to longer term holds for themselves, certainly they have little idea, nor any interest in our long term interests!  Other than that, I'm sure they're doing a great job?   Yes, CEOs (and various other professions) are payed a lot more than pollies, but the fundamental difference here is that WE pay the pollies.

I see where you're coming from and it is correct that WE pay more directly for "our" Pollies.

However, we still pay for the CEO's, albeit a little less directly  AND frankly most of their performances are less than stunning, as a quick look at most share prices will confirm.

AND, whilst it is also correct that the OZ share prices have been significantly impacted by Global events, that does not detract from the fact that shareholder value has declined markedly since 2007, whilst CEO's remuneration has continued to head North, just like the Pollies!

john_g wrote on Jul 4^th, 2012 at 12:56pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 12:40pm: cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 6:05am: I see where the pollies have gained another $5000pa.. poor dears only two pay increases in 3 months.. and they elected themselves no more pay freezes.. well well well.. at least we know the Carbon TAX wont be affecting them too badly.. bring on the 1st class travel here there an everywhere.. no pain no shame. pensioners $338  pollies $5000 seems fair! Cods, When the Pollies get a rise, their salaries are often compared to CEO's who are often paid considerably more than the Pollies and therefore we should pay the Pollies more. Well, I have no problem with CEO's, Pollies or anyone else getting large pay packets! However, I would say that any & all of those pay packets, bonuses, incentives & any other "advantages" be conditional on those individuals earning their remuneration, by way of returning true value to their shareholders, their constituents or simply those they work for, particularly over the medium to longer term & NOT just the short term! On that basis, I would suggest most CEO's & Pollies, FAIL MISERABLY and that most of these Pollies & CEO's should refund most of what they have been given. I would suggest that the old, reliable "drovers dog" could probably do just as good or as poor a job, just by sitting down all day, wagging its tail! In short, most of them look no further than their own self interest and that is short term as well. Few of them would have any idea what the medium to longer term holds for themselves, certainly they have little idea, nor any interest in our long term interests!  Other than that, I'm sure they're doing a great job?   Yes, CEOs (and various other professions) are payed a lot more than pollies, but the fundamental difference here is that WE pay the pollies.

Pollies, unlike CEO's have other benefits though that keep on giving long after they have left politics.