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Title: Abbotts lies Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 5:33pm
Just more proof that Abbott is a compulsive liar
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-29/whyalla-mayor-downplays-carbon-tax-impact/4100656 |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 5:37pm
Gillard labor have bought some time with some dollarz.
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 5:40pm
Abbott neglected to mention all of the tax cuts and compensation..more lies upon lies
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:16pm
I hope all those people that were having a go at Gillard for lieing now come out and blast Abbott for the same thing ... failure to do so will show them up as the hypocrites they are.
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:19pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 5:40pm:
You seem to have no problem with Gillard being a habitual liar, far worse than Abbott. The difference is that Gillard is in power and is breaking promises that affect us all now and we are powerless to do anything about the effects of those broken promises. Abbott is not yet in power and so if he does break any previous promises they have no effect on us now but you can do something if you feel wronged, by voting for someone else. Gillard's behaviour is reprehensible in the highest degree. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:21pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:19pm:
I support the carbon tax..always have and always will. I dont care who implimented it or how they did it because I support jobs for the future and a smooth transition into a fossil fuel free future |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:23pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:16pm:
Not bldy likely. Did he say 'there will be no' and then do it anyway to gain power. If not, then you are likely to remain upset. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:24pm
We now have a year and a half to bask in the glory of Abbotts constant lies...his chickens are coming home to roost.
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:24pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:19pm:
makes no sense whatsoever ... he doesn't have to be in govt. to be expected to be honest ..what a pissy pathetic cop out of an excuse ...... something my 2 yr old might try ...just pathetic |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:24pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:21pm:
So you have no problem with the thousands of jobs that will be lost due to the carbon tax, or the thousands of jobs that will not be created because of both the carbon tax and mining tax scaring off investment in our country? By the way, we're a very long way off a fossil fuel free world. Probably not in either of our lifetimes unless there is a major leap in technology because solar, wind, hydro and other forms of renewable energy are far too inefficient and expensive to be used on the scale that would be required to provide electricity to a city even the size of Launceston. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:
So he is not allowed to change his mind about something between now and the election if circumstances change? If he does so, does that make him a liar? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Dnarever on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm
What is Tnoy doing trying to destroy towns and industries? What is wrong with this guy?
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by adelcrow on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:
Thats all the neo con supporters have left now Abbotts lies are being laid bare for all to see. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:23pm:
your a hypocrite ... he lied .. plain and simple. .. you can try and justify one lie as worse than the other, but your just playing semantics ... he lied .. no if's or buts ... a lie is a lie is a lie ...... HYPOCRITE |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:27pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Denial is a beautiful thang. You guys have zero clue on what the public is thinking or feeling about Gillard and her lie. Bask in your stupidity while you can. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:27pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:25pm:
To what lie are you supposedly referring? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:28pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:27pm:
As they say, ignorance is bliss... |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by longweekend58 on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:31pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 5:33pm:
you might want to revists those pesky dictionary definitions regarding OPINION vs FACT. Proof stems from facts. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:44pm longweekend58 wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:31pm:
Not according to the ALP's SOP... |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 7:35pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:27pm:
not debating with the public, I'm debating with you ... and your hypocrisy in calling Gillard a liar, but failing to do so with Abbott despite his numerous blatant deliberate lies .... HYPOCRITE |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 7:37pm John Smith wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 7:35pm:
I, like many Australians, are able to define our hatred for circumstance. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:48pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 7:37pm:
so your happy to ignore lies, as long as they suit your political agenda? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:48pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:48pm:
You aren't too bright are you. If I crack you over the head with a 4x2 or tap you on the arm with a finger, which circumstance do you define as being worse. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:50pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:48pm:
under the law they are both assault. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:51pm
make that assault and battery
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:51pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:50pm:
lol see. Thankyou for elaborating your brightness. Dim, almost sereal darkness. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by MOTR on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:51pm
It would depend if you were a leper, progs.
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:53pm MOTR wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:51pm:
Well if you were a leper, you would not have a head after the 4x2, so it would only leave one circumstance. That does not leave a choice of circumstance. But love the thinking outside the box lol. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:21pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:51pm:
so you don't think they are both assault? not sure exactly why you think you'r so bright .... it's a simple concept .. assault is assault is assault as in a lie is a lie is a lie .... what part of that do you have difficulty with? It's fairly simple .... did Abbott lie? if so say so and stop pretending the sun shines through his arse .... |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:24pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:21pm:
I am human. The electorate is human. You sound like a computer. Beep, 4x2 in head beep, touch by 4x2 just same as touch beep of finger. Sorry I cant help you to understand why labor are losing so badly. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:27pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:24pm:
don't try to change the topic ... are you admitting that Abbott lied? its a fairly simple concept .. why do you desist from admitting that Abbott lied? ... what does the truth frighten you so? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:34pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:27pm:
You have gone off on another tangant, not I. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:19pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 2:34pm:
you really do live in your own little world don't you? this started with my putting the call out for Abbott fans to admit that he lied .... the only tangent is happening in that little head of yours ... now, can you kindly admit that he lied, or admit that your a HYPOCRITE .... either will do |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:25pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:19pm:
What lie because I obviously am not effected by a touch from a finger. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:32pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 6:27pm:
don't care what anyone else thinks . ...stops trying to avoid answering ... it really is simple , if I ask my 2 yr old he understands , so why do you struggle so? .... are you dumber than a 2 yr old admit that he lied, or admit that your a hypocrite .. there are only the three choices .. you can't pretend he didn't lie or that one lie doesn't count because it wasn't a pre election promise, or that the dog screwed the chickens mother .... its a simply one, the other or both .. Abbotts a liar or your a hypocrite ... now which is it? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:34pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:32pm:
lol I have not laughed that hard in a long time. I appreciate your attendance. I asked you what lie so I can answer your question. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:34pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:25pm:
lets start with Wyallha will disapear when the carbon tax starts ( it's not quite the quote, but you get the gist of it) |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:35pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:34pm:
Repeated from someone else. A union dude. Not a lie because it was actually said. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:37pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:35pm:
irrelevant that someone else said it .. Abbott said it repeatedly, knowing it was a load of crap .... and never once did he say it was an embellishment ...... if you hit someone after your friend does, will you claim it's not really a hit because someone else hit him first ...... |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:38pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:37pm:
Agree to disagree. Next. I am pretty sure you will get atleast one because ALL pollies lie. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:44pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:38pm:
I know all pollies lie, that's why it's sooooo ridiculous how you all go on about Gillard lying .... finally ... maybe there is hope for you |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:46pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:44pm:
John, you clearly wouldn't know what a lie was if one walked up and hit you over the head with a 6x4. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Dnarever on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:49pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:32pm:
I'll vote C: "all of the above" |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by John Smith on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:53pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:46pm:
well, thats clearly a lie ... we both know you wouldn't get anywhere near me with that 6x4 without you leaving with a funny walk |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 6:03pm John Smith wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 5:53pm:
Clearly you failed comprehension at school, because I said if a lie walked up to you, not if I walked up to you. I have better things to do with my time than go looking for you. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:00pm
Did I read that correctly? A person who.thinks lies can walk is preaching comprehension?
Anyway, putting aside the ridiculous analogies from our dubious friend progressives, the only thing I'll say is that if no one wants to be hit by a 4x2 then the only thing to happen is for the liberals to realise that the only person who will be left with credibility in politics in a years time is turnbull, and to hurry up and toss away the Abbott garbage. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:01pm
And progressives, you off hamburgers with the lot yet? Living without electricity yet? Walking a lot? Or still just lazing around at work watching tv?
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:49pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:01pm:
All of anything I like. But thanks for asking. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by Armchair_Politician on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 9:21pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:00pm:
It's a figure of speech, turd-for-brains... |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by cods on Jul 4th, 2012 at 7:21am
2 July, 2012 9:57AM ACST
Whyalla expected to boom, not bust, under the carbon tax The Federal Government is predicting a jobs and investment boom for Whyalla, despite speculation it would be harmed by the carbon tax. 1 The Federal Government said it could not say whether there would be more Government help for Whyalla's steelworks - but the city's future appears set to thrive. Yesterday Special Minister of State, Gary Gray, was among two Ministers to visit Whyalla to counter claims from the Opposition Leader Tony Abbott that the city would be 'wiped off the map' by the carbon tax. Earlier this year, Steel producer OneSteel received a $64 million Federal assistance advance. Mr Gray says in terms of the carbon tax, it was not appropriate to consider whether more help will be needed, but Whyalla was on track to prosper. "The future holds what the future holds - what we do know is that already there are hundreds of millions of dollars of new investment. "That's going to create jobs, economic activity, a whole new export growth industry out of the Eyre Peninsula and out of South Australia." While Member for Grey Rowan Ramsay welcomed the Minister's visit, he was not convinced that Whyalla could prosper under the carbon tax. He said the Government was not taking seriously the effect the Carbon Tax could have on the steelworks, and other possible investments that underwrite Whyalla's future. "The Government does not understand the decision making processes for international investment." Mr Ramsay questioned what would happen when OneSteel was no longer supported by the $300m Federal assistance, delivered as part of the Steel Transformation Package to offset the carbon tax. "The question needs to be asked, what will happen in three years time when this subsidy runs out and the tax has increased to $29 a tonne?" Looking to prepare for its carbon tax future, as from today the company OneSteel will be known as Arrium. The name change is the result of the company wanting to reflect its broader mining operations, not just steelmaking. would like to borrow their crystal ball for a few hours. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 7:49am progressiveslol wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 8:49pm:
Sounds like you've been touched by the carbon tax, not hit over the head with a 4x2 |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by philperth2010 on Jul 4th, 2012 at 8:01am
Mr Abbott said.....
"it is not the job of the Opposition to support bad policy". That is why the ALP and Greens will not support Direct Action and dump the ETS in favor of poor policy.....Abbott has ensured he will never get support from the opposition and Australia will remain divided while he is leading the Coalition.....No one can trust Tony Abbott who continues to move the goal posts every time a compromise is offered!!! >:( >:( >:( A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go but where they ought to be. Rosalynn Carter (1927 - ) |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:01am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 7:49am:
Yeh anyone can see that :D ::) |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 1:42pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:01am:
So stop complaining then |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 1:43pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 1:42pm:
The touch from the carbon tax is from the finger of a giant. Hurt more than a 4x2, I know, I got my mate to test it. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:35pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 1:43pm:
But you're still eating hamburgers with the lot, using electricity, driving and don't have to work any harder. Was this giant really just a dwarf in Lilliput land? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:39pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:35pm:
You assume to much. You are still not big on evidence I see. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:44pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:39pm:
What evidence? You said yourself your life hasn't changed. ;D |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:49pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:44pm:
You wouldn't even be able to point that evidence out. You still not big on evidence are you. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:54pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:49pm:
So in other words you just want to have a big whinge about nothing, and now that you've been caught out to be just a big whinge all you can do is come up with some redundant analogies and then attempt to put words together to sound coherent, yet not be able to justify your own argument. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:57pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:54pm:
That rest has done nothing for your stupidity. Try sleeping more at the same time as disappearing. Cant be sure it will help you, but bugger you need it. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:58pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:57pm:
Oh well. Come back talk about the carbon tax when you can actually justify how it's impacted on you. ;D and PS: Not rest; working. :) It's been a hell of 6 months. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:02pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 9:58pm:
My justification is that I voted at an election and was told "there would be no carbon tax" and this dictator decided to dictate to me that she would bring in a carbon tax anyway in order gain her prize of power, like all dictators do. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:18pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:02pm:
Well if you are such a crusader of "truth telling" I guess you're going to need to start donkeying your vote for the remainder of your life ;D. The fact remains that the carbon tax has not impacted your life and the parts that may impact you will be subsidised for you and the parts. And if you're such a big crusader of democracy (even though we all know you're a crusader of only that which you want) then don't take the tax breaks; after all they are nothing more than a bribe from a dictator, right? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:58pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:18pm:
Yes it has impacted my life. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:02pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 10:58pm:
How? You lost your belief in our political system? My friend, surely you're old enough that this wasn't your first experience? But seriously, how? How has it impacted your life?? You're still getting the hamburger with the lot - what else are you worried about in your life? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:03pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:02pm:
Dictators. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:09pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:03pm:
I really don't think you're that dumb that you need a lesson in what a dictator is. And again I point out the highlighted part. So. How has it ACTUALLY impacted your life? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:26pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:09pm:
I now have a dictator as my PM. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:35pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:26pm:
if you take breaking a promise as a sign you have a dictator as your PM then all I can say is that you've been living under an illusion since the time you were able to vote. My friend, truth is your life hasn't been impacted and you simply like to whinge. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:39pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:35pm:
What you said is not the truth. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:51pm progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:39pm:
how's that giant dwarf from lilliput treating ya? Doesn't look like they throw a big enough punch. ;) |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:55pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:51pm:
Well I dont know what you are looking at, but I still have quite the bruise. |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by alevine on Jul 5th, 2012 at 12:03am progressiveslol wrote on Jul 4th, 2012 at 11:55pm:
Need a bandaid? |
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Title: Re: Abbotts lies Post by progressiveslol on Jul 5th, 2012 at 12:07am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 5th, 2012 at 12:03am:
Im good thanks. Not that bandaids help bruises, but the thought was there. |
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