Germany bans ultaconservative Islamic organization, raids homes and mosques - NY Daily News




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By The Associated Press Thursday, June 14, 2012, 10:47 AM BERLIN — German authorities launched a nationwide crackdown Thursday on an ultraconservative Islamic organization, raiding homes, meeting halls and mosques, while banning one related group and opening in an investigation of two others. Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich said he had banned the Salafist organization Millatu Ibrahim, saying that it has been calling on Muslims to fight against Germany’s “constitutional order.” The raids, conducted by 850 police officers in seven of Germany’s 16 states, focused on two other groups — DawaFFM and DWR, whose initials are the German abbreviation for “The True Religion” — to determine whether evidence exists to ban them as well. Friedrich said a “comprehensive collection of evidence” had been seized — videos, laptops, cellphones and other things. “All these things will be evaluated over the coming days, and we will see to what extent the evidence is sufficient to ban the two organizations which are being investigated,” he said. Friedrich said authorities believed there are “preparations for the founding of replacement organizations” and warned that anyone who does so can expect to face prosecution.

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"There was movement at the station, for the word had passed around...."
Banjo P.

Are some people and 'authorities' in the West, 'waking up' to ISLAM / moslems ??



The actions of >> MAINSTREAM << moslems in following the dictates of >> MAINSTREAM << ISLAM, as guests within non-moslem host nations = = sedition and treason, against those non-moslem states.


Dictionary;
dictate = =
1 state or order authoritatively.         control or decisively affect; determine.
2 say or read aloud (words to be typed or written down).





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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39


And non, and on, and on it goes.......





ISLAM mandates a never ending enmity and hatred, from moslems, towards those who choose not to accept ISLAM [to towards those are not moslems].

WE [non-moslems] WILL NEVER, EVER, CHANGE THAT ASPECT OF ISLAM.

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB

Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities,   ....for decades !!!

They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos.
/sarc off

Dejavu

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:53pm: They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities,   ....for decades !!! They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos. /sarc off

Are they ultrarightwing? Really? Dont you think they are left wing? With their helping the homeless etc?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:53pm: They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB Yeah SOB, i can't understand how The Salvation Army, has escaped the notice of the Australian authorities,   ....for decades !!! They are dangerous people, those bloody religious Salvos. /sarc off Are they ultrarightwing? Really? Dont you think they are left wing? With their helping the homeless etc? SOB

Banging, their drums, and playing their trombones on the street, AND, reading their 'religious' bibles.

You can't get any more ultrarightwing than that SOB.



Reading bibles ???

Isn't that a dead 'give away' ???

Errr,  ....ultraconservative !!



i.e.
People like you SOB, amaze me.

'Projecting' that there is a clear moral equivalency between
1/ moslems [who promote and encourage violence and murder, against 'unbelievers'], and
2/ Christians ?



SOB,

You are really, unhinged [i.e. you own an irrational mind].

OR, you are clearly, just another moslem.

Turks make up about 5% of the German population. They tend to be the focus of the neo Nazis and similar extreme conservative groups. A lot of the immigration happend post-WWII, but there is a long history of it.

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby.

Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 5:57pm:

I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby. Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right SOB

Hmmm.

I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'.

Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby.

I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly  [and not 'behind closed doors'].

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 6:58pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:57pm: I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby. Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right SOB Hmmm. I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'. Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby. I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly  [and not 'behind closed doors'].

Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really. Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 6:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:57pm: I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby. Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right SOB Hmmm. I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'. Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby. I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly  [and not 'behind closed doors']. Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really. Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1. SOB

Self expression and open debate can act as a relief [safety] valve, in society.



But what you are proposing, is exactly what moslems also propose, which is;
That those who disagree with, or, 'insult' them or ISLAM, should not have a voice in society - AT ALL - i.e. moslems believe in teh total banning of the expression of all views which are deemed [by them!] to be un-ISLAMIC views.

That is why there is no healthy scrutiny of what 'ISLAMIC' potentates and dictators do [and of what they can do], once they seize power.

Political fascists kill their critics.

And, so too, ISLAMISTS also are want to kill their critics.

Because ISLAM too, is a form of political fascism.

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 7:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 7:12pm: Yadda wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 6:58pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 5:57pm: I will ignore your weird rant yadda and point out that what is considered "ultra-right-wing" would be the german equivalent of the yank "tea party" type organisations. There the far-right NPD party then theres the HNG (which they did ban already - good). There are more but i dont know all the parties in germany. Those are just political groups. The churches that have politics are the worst because they lobby. Heres a wikipedia article on far right xtian groups http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right SOB Hmmm. I'm happy for churches and other groups, to 'lobby'. Often people who 'lobby' can reveal interesting, and sometimes truthful information, to those people who they are trying to lobby. I don't see anything wrong with lobbying, if it is done openly  [and not 'behind closed doors']. Well thats what the muslims were doing too. All lobbying is done behind closed doors though really. Anyway my point was that ALL the ultrarightwing religious groups should be shut down not just 1. SOB Self expression and open debate can act as a relief [safety] valve, in society. But what you are proposing, is exactly what moslems also propose, which is; That those who disagree with, or, 'insult' them or ISLAM, should not have a voice in society - AT ALL - i.e. moslems believe in teh total banning of the expression of all views which are deemed [by them!] to be un-ISLAMIC views. That is why there is no healthy scrutiny of what 'ISLAMIC' potentates and dictators do [and of what they can do], once they seize power. Political fascists kill their critics. And, so too, ISLAMISTS also are want to kill their critics. Because ISLAM too, is a form of political fascism.

Yup. And by banning them they are doing exactly the same thing. Either ALL should be banned or none.

SOB

Yes Yadda I agree it is about time we stopped anti democratic fascist muslims in their tracks. As most muslims are anarchists I would have no problem in banning islam and make it a punishable offence by law to practice it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/11/muslims-murder-2-children-of-chrisitian-convert-to-punish-him-for-his-disloyalty-to-islam.html

We must ensure that the punishment is just and fair.

http://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/local-news/trial-six-brierfield-men-accused-of-sex-offences-1-4628390

We should not jump to conclusions. Or is that just jumping.

http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Politics/Egypt-Politican-denies-he-was-nabbed-having-sex-in-car_313386528956.html

We should not force them into something that they do not want.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/390397/forced-marriage-15-year-old-accuses-brothers-of-torture/

We must be honest in our dealings with them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156296/British-gangs-raping-sexually-exploiting-vulnerable-white-young-girls-Asian-problem-Crown-prosecutor-admits.html

We must allow them to pray as they wish.


http://www.mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4729:janat-abad-church-in-tehran-closed-following-official-order&catid=36:iranian-christians&Itemid=279


http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Aki/English/Religion/Indonesia-Twenty-churches-face-demolition_313397624162.html

We have to purchase their products no matter who produces them or we will be called racist.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-283354-one-in-every-two-children-in-turkey-employed-as-child-worker.html

But why is it that we have to put up with Hizb ut Tahrir when it has been prescribed as a terrorist organisation overseas, are we dickheads or what?

The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans:



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Salafis came under scrutiny in Germany following a campaign to hand out free copies of the Noble Qur’an to educate Germans about Qur’an. The campaign has sparked fury from German politicians, who accused Salafis of seeking to spread radicalization in the country. http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/457577-germany-swoops-on-salafis.html

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:05pm:

The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans: Quote: Salafis came under scrutiny in Germany following a campaign to hand out free copies of the Noble Qur’an to educate Germans about Qur’an. The campaign has sparked fury from German politicians, who accused Salafis of seeking to spread radicalization in the country. http://www.onislam.net/english/news/europe/457577-germany-swoops-on-salafis.html

I will put my hand up for one MILLION of them electricity is very expensive now and Queensland is bloody cold at the mo.

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:05pm:

The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans:

Poor things.
/sarc off


I wish that i could get my hands on a free supply of Koran's.

I would be listing many of the 'fight the infidel' verses, on the inside front cover, and then giving those Koran's out on the street in every capital city in Australia.

I want everyone in Australia to to read the Koran, to learn how both inane, and violent, the Koran is.

Inane, because the Koran has absolutely no 'narrative structure', like the OT or NT bible.

IMO, the Koran was compiled by and eeeediot.







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"On the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah” (some spell Bismilla) which means "in the name of Allah." (Though it looks more like the character for "Allah")."

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm


http://www.beholdthebeast.com/16479040.jpg

Yadda wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

falah wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 10:05pm: The German government is perecuting Muslim organisations because they were handing out free Qurans: Poor things. /sarc off I wish that i could get my hands on a free supply of Koran's. I would be listing many of the 'fight the infidel' verses, on the inside front cover, and then giving those Koran's out on the street in every capital city in Australia. I want everyone in Australia to to read the Koran, to learn how both inane, and violent, the Koran is. Inane, because the Koran has absolutely no 'narrative structure', like the OT or NT bible. IMO, the Koran was compiled by and eeeediot. Quote: "On the Zola Levitt program, Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist now Christian evangelist, said that when he saw the Greek symbol that is translated in the Bible as 666, he immediately read it as the Arabic character “Bismillah” (some spell Bismilla) which means "in the name of Allah." (Though it looks more like the character for "Allah")." http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm http://www.beholdthebeast.com/16479040.jpg

Yadda have you ever sought the professional help of a psychiatrist?

I hear that have wonderful medications nowadays that can work wonders for people like you.

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:12pm:

I take wonderful medications nowadays that  work wonders for me.

Cant say I have noticed any improvement in your demeanor.

falah wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:12pm:

Yadda have you ever sought the professional help of a psychiatrist? I hear that have wonderful medications nowadays that can work wonders for people like you.

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
Revelation



Walk your path falah.

You are certain.

And when one day, you melt away falah, what will you be certain of, then ?

Hmmm ?

Your righteousness, before your God ?




Walk your path falah.

So basically its another muslim bashing thread. I might go start another xtian bashing one.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 4:53pm:

They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB

I agree. If anyone wants to "overrun" the world and force a different govt over a democratic one ...... they are to be banned

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 7:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 4:53pm: They need to ban the ultraconservative religious organisations not just muslim - all of them. They are ALL dangerous. SOB I agree. If anyone wants to "overrun" the world and force a different govt over a democratic one ...... they are to be banned

Yup.

SOB

Unless of course it is Hamas, in which case spot will simply go into denial.

freediver wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

Unless of course it is Hamas, in which case spot will simply go into denial.

Is hamas handing out bibles in germany?

SOB