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Title: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by falah on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:41pm
US soldier Bowe Bergdahl 'was disgusted with Afghan war and ashamed to be American'
A United States soldier being held prisoner by the Taliban after disappearing from his base had told his parents he was disgusted with the Afghan war and ashamed to be American. Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, now 26, has been held for almost three years and is the only American soldier held by the insurgents, after going missing in a south eastern province of Afghanistan. The American military has never detailed the events of his disappearance, but there were reports at the time that he had just walked off his base in Paktika province after completing a guard shift. His family, from Hailey in Idaho, have now released an email he sent days before his disappearance in which he spoke of his disillusion with the American military. "The future is too good to waste on lies," he wrote in the email obtained by Rolling Stone magazine. "And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be American. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting." Sgt Bergdahl criticised his superiors, calling his battalion commander a "conceited old fool", and said the American army was composed of "liars, back-stabbers, fools, and bullies". He concluded by saying: "I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting." His disappearance triggered an intense manhunt as troops were pulled off planned operations to search for him. At the time, Afghan officers taking part in the search said they had been told Sgt Bergdahl had suffered some form of breakdown. A Taliban statement said he had been captured after falling behind on a patrol. He is not classified as a deserter and is listed as "missing-captured." Since his capture, he has appeared in a number of hostage videos released by the Taliban, in which he has pleaded for his release. He is believed to be held in northwestern Pakistan. His parents have recently begun giving interviews about their son's imprisonment after becoming frustrated with the failure of official efforts to free him. American officials had tried to broker his freedom in a swap for five Taliban leaders currently held in Guantánamo Bay US military prison in Cuba. The transfer had been conceived as a "confidence building measure" to kick start wider talks between the enemies to find a political settlement to the conflict. The initiative appears to have stalled in the face of opposition in Congress to concessions to the Taliban. Meanwhile the number of American troops who have died in the decade-long conflict on Thursday passed 2,000 according to the icasualties website, which compiles casualty figures. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9319215/US-soldier-Bowe-Bergdahl-was-disgusted-with-Afghan-war-and-ashamed-to-be-American.html |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 7:30am
<<"The horror that is America is disgusting".>>
..................................................... That's right mate. A lot of American's feel ashamed to be American. How the hell did he de-program himself? Maybe he's in safer hands where he is, if he gets back to the US he'll end up being a cell mate for Bradley Manning. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Chard on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:34am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 7:30am:
It's called "Stockholm Syndrome". Google it, noob. Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 7:30am:
If that was the case then why would our government offer to trade five Taliban prisoners we got at Gitmo for SGT. Bergdahl? What will most likely happen if he's released is that his enlistment will be up, he'll get demobbed, evaluated for veterans disability, given a n Honorable Discharge, and he'll probably spend the rest of his life collecting a couple of thousand dollars a month in VA benefits. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:36am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 7:30am:
My mother is American and she is very proud of America. My family is American they are very proud of America. My sister studies in New York she is very proud to be there. Every USA person I have meet before has always been very proud of their country just like I am too. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Chard on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:39am Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:36am:
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:51am Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:36am:
I thought you said you were jewish? Oh thats right JEWISH IS YOUR RELIGION. Also I thought you said you were born in israel. . . . . ???? SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Chard on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:51am:
You do know there's this thing called dual citizenship, right? It's actually quite common for Americans and Israelis to have citizenship in both countries. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:23pm Chard wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:02pm:
Fair enough. He didnt say that though. He just went on about his "homeland" giving me the impression it was his nationality. Its just a religion though. SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:30pm
<<If that was the case then why would our government offer to trade five Taliban prisoners we got at Gitmo for SGT. Bergdahl?>>
............................................................ Are they some of the ones that were pronounced innocent ten years ago, but for some reason never released? Innocent, but still locked-up: Guantanamo prisoners stay behind bars years after being cleared for release Of the 169 international terror suspects still stuck behind bars at one of the world’s most notorious jails, 87 have been long-approved for release, some as far back as during the George W Bush administration. British journalist Andy Worthington writes on his website this week that not only has US President Barack Obama failed to keep his promise of closing down Gitmo, but his administration has had serious problems with processing prisoners. http://www.infowars.com/innocent-but-still-locked-up-guantanamo-prisoners-stay-behind-bars-years-after-being-cleared-for-release/ |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:33pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:51am:
It could be Walter's cousin. Andrei Hicks aka Walter Mitty |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:35pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:51am:
I am born in Tel Aviv of Israeli father and USA mother. My grandparents after WW2 go to USA on mother side and Israel on father side because of the Nazi atrocities. I have both Israeli and American passports. Because of people like you and pansi1951 it is hard for us to travel the world on Israeli passports. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:38pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
I doubt there's too many places you'd be game to travel with Israeli passport. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:39pm
Because of people like you.
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:41pm
But not Australia I must say.
As ally of Israel, I am proud to say I enter Australia and my student visa is all in my Israel passport and nationality. This is why I enjoy in the immigration office in Sydney my friend and I have ours in view of the Afghans sitting opposite. Let them stare at us, we are never again afraid. The world will never again persecute the Jews. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:48pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
Ppl like me and pansi? How could me or pansi stop you travelling on an israeli passport? SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:50pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:48pm:
People like you and pansi1951 are anti-Jewish, anti-Israel. You call us terrorists, you call us murderers and you ignore all the atrocities that Israel and the Jews fight against. You support Muslim terror and want to see our country not there. Well we ignore you. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:01pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:50pm:
I have never said i wanted israel not there. I have only said they should stop their atrocities. Why doesnt israel want peace? Why are they planning MORE settlements? SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Chard on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:02pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
Don't know and to tell the truth I honestly don't care. Anyways, after reading up on SGT. Bergdahl I'm really suspicious about this email that was sent to his parents. Some of it is linguistic oddities, some of it is the man's background, and some of it is his actions during his captivity. Linguistic oddities: Some of the bits quoted in the OP article like calling his CO a "concreted old fool". I spent six years in the US Army hanging around Infantrymen and for the life of me I've never heard of a line grunt refer to officers like that. No, I don't mean that we never smack talk our chain of command. Soldiers tend to take perverse pleasure in describing at great length and with much vulgarity the manifold failings of the officers appointed over them. If the email had said "Colonel Soandso is an ass kissing paper pushing POG with delusions of competence who'd gladly toss every swinging-dick in this battalion under a bus if it means he can have his first star" I'd find it believable. "Conceited old fool" not so much. Background: Bergdahl's a native of Sun Valley, Idaho. Dude grew up in mountain country at the foot of one of the biggest ski resorts in the US in a state that has the highest per-capita rate of white supremacist membership in the entire country. While Military service tends to knock most of the racist out of people, I really doubt that a clean cut white kid from Idaho would actually sympathize with the Taliban without you holding a figgin' gun to his head (turns out they did exactly that in a couple of the videos they released showing SGT. Bergdahl, who knew...). Actions during captivity: Last year in September he made yet another escape attempt and was recaptured after three days. If SGT. Bergdahl was really down with the Taliban and was so disgusted with his country then why the repeated escape attempts? Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced someone else wrote the email and sent it one SGT. Bergdahl's email. though I wonder if they used a civilian mail provider or if they actually used SGT. Bergdahl's AKO account. Would be pretty damn hilarious if they used his AKO. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:13pm
I don't support Muslim, Israeli or American terror. I can safely declare that I am against all forms of terror.
What the hell did the Afghani's do to you? |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:19pm Chard wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:39am:
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by falah on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:36pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 11:36am:
What is the difference between arrogance and pride? Arrogance has been the downfall of many before you. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:40pm falah wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:36pm:
Arrogance is attacking a country with your friends on their holy day thinking you will win. What happened? Arabs and Muslims run like the cowards they are. How many times before you learn the lesson.... Do not f**k with the Jews. Israel_tank_victory.jpg (83 KB | 29
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Chard on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:58pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
This is a considered a Good Idea™ because depending where in the world you happen to live if you piss off Jews they'll either foreclose on your home or blow it the bugger up. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:12pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:13pm:
Defending your country is not terror. I served in the army for 3 years and saw the result of Muslim terror with my own eyes thank you. What you have said about Israel is a example of some one who lives too far away, do not know the situation and just parrot what is said by other people. The Afghans? I only say because they stare at my passport in the immigration office and then stare at my friend and me. We know what they are thinking. They don't like Israel. That is ok, we don't like them too. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by falah on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm
Israeli War Crimes
White phosphorous similar to napalm used indiscriminately in attacks on Gazans |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:18pm
Are you going to condemn the Shmuel HaNavi suicide bombing of women and children?
Yes or no? |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:18pm
Anyone with a sense of justice doesnt like israel
SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:19pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:18pm:
Are anyone who has no idea like you? You really do not know much about the region, it is obvious. Spend a day with me in the IDF like I did, you would make a mess in your pants in the 1st hour. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:25pm falah wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:16pm:
Were the soldiers who did this convicted of war crimes? |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:28pm
Imagine a Palestinian boy who, as any other boy, liked football, playing in the yard, taunting his sisters, catching flies, running away from the boring lessons at school, etc. All was well with Mohammed Badwan until the the black magic of the Israeli military drastically changed the life of the lad. Here is his picture - during the first encounter with IDF:
The first time the name of the youngster comes up in the Palestinian chronicles is an article (_adalah.org/eng/pressreleases/04_05_03nl.php_) on the Adalah site: Most recently, on 15 April 2004, the Israeli military used Mohammed Badwan, a 12-year-old Palestinian boy from Biddo, West Bank as a human shield. Mohammed was taking part in a demonstration against the construction of The Wall in Biddo. Not nice, agreed. But obviously the boy made a lasting impression on the Zionist aggressors, because a week barely passed, and he is used again - and in the same capacity (but now he is an year older). Electronic Intifada (_electronicintifada.net/v2/article2614.shtml_) knows the details: According to the same sources, on 22nd April 2004, a 13 year old boy called Mohammed Said Essa Badwan/Badran was used as a human shield. Mohammed was peacefully taking part in spontaneous demonstration... It becomes a habit with IDF (or with young Mohammed) apparently. Or, you can say, an innocent mistake in the date - nothing special. But the amazing career of young Muhammad is only budding, just wait a bit. He is used again, now, according to Amnesty International (_amnestyusa.org/annualreport.php?id=ar&yr=2005&c=ISR_) report for 2005: In April, Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a "human shield" during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu. The soldiers placed the boy on the hood of their jeep and tied him to the front windscreen to discourage Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones in their direction. Notice that he is still 13 years old. Again, it could be a clerical mistake, but the boy shows resilience and is highly reusable in his role of a human shield. This is probably why the Zionists decided to put him in some (hitherto secret) suspended animation machine. Apparently his age plays a critical role in their nefarious plans, since the next record of his appearance relates to 2007 (_lists.resist.ca/pipermail/onthebarricades/2008-April/000480.html_): Palestinain children as young as 11 were used as human shields during an Israeli military invasion of Nablus in March 2007. 13 year-old Mohammad Badwan was tied by the arm to an Israeli military jeep... It is Nablus now and three years later, but he is still 13 years old! And March of 2007 sees his return to Bidou in the same role. According to the Live Leak (_liveleak.com/view?i=76d_1173007758_) Israeli human rights activists have accused border police of using a 13-year-old Palestinian as a human shield. Rabbis for Human Rights say that Mohammed Badwan was tied by police to a jeep during a recent demonstration in the West Bank village of Bidou. This was posted in March 2007 too. Surely our boy gets around. Besides, is it possible that he's developed some affinity for a specific border police jeep? Because the picture used is usually the same, sometimes cropped and sometimes not. And if you thought for a moment that the wretched semi-existence of Mohammad, which could be described as frozen - woken up - tied to a jeep - frozen again, has a happy end, you are mistaken, because he was activated again recently - in 2009, according to Pakistani Scandals (_pakistaniscandals.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/palestinian-child-used-as-human-shield-by-israel_): This is what happened to a Palestinian child who joined Teenagers throwing stones at Israeli border police. Muhammad Badwan was grabbed by officers and tied by an arm to the grille covering the windscreen of their security vehicle. Last night the 13 year olds father said the police had illegally used his son as a human Shield to try to stop the demonstrators throwing stones at them. There are more events with different dates where Muhammad participated, but I hope you have got the picture by now. http://simplyjews.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/amazing-life-and-deeds-of-mohammed.html |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:31pm
You spread lies very well Falah.
You would make a good Muslim. I hope you can blow things up too, that is a key capability of Muslims along with lying and beating women. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:32pm
Avram,
Were the soldiers who did this convicted of war crimes? |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:34pm
How do you feel about this avram? What of the child?
SOB |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:34pm
Which ones Bobby?
The 13 year old boy who is tied to the jeep in 2003 2004 2007 2009? Yet he is always 13 year old? I wonder if our soldiers are the same age too? Don't believe Palestinians Bobby. They are liars. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Mnemonic on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:39pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:35pm:
I'm not aware of there being any ban on Israeli passports here. Even people from former Cold War adversaries like Russia and China are allowed here. Banning people from potentially hostile countries seems pretty unlikely to become Australian government policy any time soon and Israel isn't hostile to Western countries, let alone Australia. Israel receives criticism not because people hate Israel (or Jews) but because it is being judged by the same standard as other Western countries (like America and Britain). As long as the criticism isn't worse than what America gets, you should feel safe that you're being treated as an equal. Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:50pm:
I very much doubt SOB and pansi are the kinds of people who would throw rocks at synagogues. This is not Europe in the 19th and early 20th centuries. This is Australia, a country that never experienced the kind of class warfare that went on in Europe at that time. That seems to have been what caused anti-semitism in Europe. People treated Jews like a separate class. Even when they tried to assimilate, they were still treated as a separate class. I very much doubt most people who criticise Israel are even hostile to the Jewish community here. It's just politics and they'd be happy sharing lunch or a cup of coffee with any Jew they meet. Criticism isn't the same as sectarianism. Don't take it too personally. People tend to be more hostile to Muslims here. Any pro-Muslim sentiment is just an attempt to counterbalance already existing anti-Muslim sentiment, just like pro-Israel sentiments counterbalance anti-Israel sentiments and vice versa. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:39pm Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:34pm:
The one in the picture dummy - don't try to deny it. The photo doesn't lie. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Avram Horowitz on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:40pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:39pm:
But Bobby - this is a boy who has this picture as part of demonstrations in many demonstrations across 6 years but yet he is still 13 years old? How can that be? |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:54pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
Avram never answers me. He must be a Mossad spy. |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by Jasignature on Jun 9th, 2012 at 3:53pm
Americans are patriotic and proud of themselves.
Truely 'aggressive' people. Australians hate themselves because they are loved by every other nation. Truely 'passive' people. So if you wanna be a true Aussie: go 'self-destruct'. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: US Soldier was disgusted with Afghan war & ashamed Post by falah on Jun 9th, 2012 at 8:25pm
Suicides among US troops top Afghanistan war dead
WASHINGTON -- Suicides are surging among America's troops, averaging nearly one a day this year -- the fastest pace in the nation's decade of war. The 154 suicides for active-duty troops in the first 155 days of the year far outdistance the U.S. forces killed in action in Afghanistan -- about 50 percent more -- according to Pentagon statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The numbers reflect a military burdened with wartime demands from Iraq and Afghanistan that have taken a greater toll than foreseen a decade ago. The military also is struggling with increased sexual assaults, alcohol abuse, domestic violence and other misbehavior... http://www.adn.com/2012/06/08/2496587/suicides-among-us-troops-outnumber.html |
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