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Title: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13842130/govt-cautions-business-over-carbon-tax/

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet has warned that businesses which hike the cost of their goods under the guise of the carbon tax will be caught.

"I heard about one pie shop for example that was going to put their pies up some extraordinary amount," Mr Combet told ABC television, noting food prices will increase by less than half a cent in the dollar.

"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

The government was in discussions with electricity companies to have them include information breaking down the actual cost increases of the carbon tax with every bill, Mr Combet said.

He also conceded that there could be implementation problems when the carbon price takes effect.

"I'm working hard to make sure that there are not ... but you never know, something might emerge."

Opposition climate spokesman Greg Hunt says the cost impact of the carbon tax will be ten per cent.

"On day one what we'll see is the price of turning on your lights, of opening the fridge, of turning on the television, of using your heating or cooling, go up," he told ABC television.

The coalition would repeal the carbon tax within 12 months if elected to government, he said.

Australia's biggest carbon emitters, fewer than 500 in number, will pay $23 for every tonne of carbon they put into the atmosphere from July.
This will be followed by a market-based emissions trading scheme in 2015, with an aim to cut 160 million tonnes of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere by 2020.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:37am

Why are we not surprised that Labor policies seems to have implementation problems

Unlimited Bank Guarantees
Pink Batts
BER
Budgets
$1000 give aways
TV top box
NBN
Laptops for schools

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by cods on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am

is he going to have a spy in every pie shop for gods sake..

from what I have read the average person isnt concerned about the price of a pie..

its the price of their utilities that are worrried sick about..

do you think people combet actually have any idea of what is going on under their very nose..

power prices have been going up and up and up. they never stop going up...

I dont give a stuff what they use as an excuse..

my bills never ever come in less than they did last qtr.,.

explain that combet??????

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

Not only that - the electricity price impact everyone. Doctors, dentists, basic food products etc. It will be passed on

Now Combet wants the electricity companies to itemise the extra costs they will charge? Well this action of itemising will cost money so that's an added expense they will pass on

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by cods on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

thats what I am saying what excuse are they giving for the past 12 months increases???..

I had a leaflet telling me about rate increases its a while back now.. but they said there and then the increase was due to the CARBON TAX.. they were having to prepare for it..

what about water rates.. gas..all every day utilities..even petrol has anyone noticed the jump in that price of late....and I read where world prices had dropped...

who is this guy kidding I really do wonder.

they really do live in ivory towers dont they?? or just plain dim

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am

A bit of a stretch even for you isn't it maqqa .... Even Howard said their might be teething problems when the GST was first rolled out ... to be expected with any new policy ..

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:53am

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

Any cost increase in the past 12 months could not possibly be due to the carbon tax, and if you use the services of anyone who has already increased their rates due to carbon tax then your a fool .... carbon tax hasn't started .. any increases up to now are more likely greed and profiteering

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Gist on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:15am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

It could be if they are spending money to prepare themselves for the carbon tax

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:18am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

It could be if they are spending money to prepare themselves for the carbon tax

It could be because they lost to much on the pokies ... or it could be because they have a new mistress to keep ... woulda coulda shoulda doesn't really cut it now does it .

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:20am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:18am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:15am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:45am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am:

It could be if they are spending money to prepare themselves for the carbon tax

It could be because they lost to much on the pokies ... or it could be because they have a new mistress to keep ... woulda coulda shoulda doesn't really cut it now does it .

Better than using union membership money I guess

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If your talking about large corporations like electricity providers etc, then yes, you bet they are greedy ... if your talking about pie shop owners, then no, but not all have increased prices citing its because of a carbon tax that doesn't yet exist ... if carbon tax was going to increase the cost of pies wouldn't every pie shop have to account for it? instead of just one ? how can it affect the one but not the others?

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Who owns these corporations? And what are their mandates? And where does these mandates come from? And what happens if they don't meet these mandates?

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:37am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:24am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:21am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Who owns these corporations? And what are their mandates? And where does these mandates come from? And what happens if they don't meet these mandates?

If they don't meet these mandates the CEO's don't get ther multi million dollar bonus's on top of their already multi million dollar salaries ... as for who owns them, I guess that depends now doesn't it

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by adelcrow on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:39am

Its no different from when the GST was introduced.
The governement has to make sure dodgy businesses are not gouging consumers and blaming the new tax for it.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Gist on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

If they have put up their price today by one cent then yes, they are greedy business owners. There is no tax. They haven't paid it. So they should NOT jack up prices for a figment of their imagination.

If on 1st July their prices rise then they are justified in passing on the increase. And ONLY the increase, not some mythical amount above and beyond that. If they do so then yes, they are greedy business owners.

And you well know that this is the case.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:41am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:39am:

Its no different from when the GST was introduced.
The governement has to make sure dodgy businesses are not gouging consumers and blaming the new tax for it.

The difference is Howard took the issue to an election and the people cast their vote in favour of it.

As such they accept any issues that arise out of it

Gillard is doing this against the people's will!

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Gist on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:46am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Passing it on when it exists? Yes, that's justified. Passing on some imaginary, non-existent tax? Not justified. Passing on the tax plus more as well? Also not justified.

Pretty basic really.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by adelcrow on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Just as the GST cost more than just the tax for businesses to implement it..but all those costs have been factored in so consumers are not gouged.
Howard had to belt a few businesses around the set a few examples and Gillard will be no different.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

The difference is Howard to his change of policy to an election - Gillard didn't.

While you advocate that the hiccups are the same - I am saying because of the above difference Gillard's hiccups should be and will be condemned more than Howard.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

You keep repeating that as if it is going to make a difference ... Howard took the GST to an election, and several business' got hammered for price gauging.. Gillard didn't and the same thing is happening ...doesn't that proves that if it goes to election or not it has no bearing on the rip of merchants ....

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by salad in on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

[...]

"If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you," he said, referring to the consumer watchdog.

[...]

Is that the same ACCC that has made life a living hell for the petrol companies? Is that the same ACCC that has been merciless in its pursuit of Woolies and Coles in an attempt to reign in their predatory practices? Be Vewwy Vewwy afraid.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:03am

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

Great point - Petrol Watch and Grocery Watch

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

It's the same ACCC that Howard used to prevent price gauging after the GST was introduced

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Of course it will make a difference.

The LIBs will go to the next poll with a clear message "We will repeal the carbon tax"

Votes will be cast - the difference will be made!!!

Look back at the election after the GST was introduced. Did any Labor leader dared to campaign against the GST? NO!!!

That's the difference

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by adelcrow on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am

The Greens went to the election with a carbon tax as policy and either of the major parties was always going to have to negotiate with the Greens over the issue when they got in.
Just as whoever gets in at the next election will have to do the same thing..Labor or Coalition.
If you think the issue of carbon pollution will just go away because Abbott has decided to play politics with a very important issue you are very much mistaken.
The Greens will still have the balance of power in the Senate no matter who grabs power next time around and with a stable supporter base no amount of DD's will dislodge them.
So I would stop buying Abbotts constant lies and spin and get with the program.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:06am

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:04am:

salad in wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

It's the same ACCC that Howard used to prevent price gauging after the GST was introduced

Now Labor is in - they stuffed it up with their useless Petrol Watch and Grocery Watch

The same with the FWA - Labor has made a mockery of this department as well with the Thomson case

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:07am

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:59am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Now your just blowing smoke out of your arse ... it has nothing to do with the topic

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Maqqa on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:07am

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 10:05am:

And did the Greens get the majority vote? NO!!!

The only reason why they have a say now is because Gillard gutted the Australian people the same way she gutted her leader in Kevin Rudd

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by Gist on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:56pm

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

Soo... basically, despite the title you really have nothing to say about any supposed problems with the carbon tax. You just want to cry some more about losing the election by saying the same old things you've been saying since you lost. Got it.

Title: Re: Combet admits carbon tax problems
Post by John Smith on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:58pm

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:50am:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:43am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 9:14am:

Gist wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 8:58am:

Come off it maqqa. John is right - exactly the same thing happened when Howard introduced the GST. That isn't due to the implementation of a tax, it's due to greedy business owners taking advantage.

Are you then saying they are all greedy business owners?

Gillard was clear in saying that business will be looking to transition to the carbon tax. This costs money. Therefore as justified in passing it on.

that about sums up what I take from it as well .....I think he's been staring at that image of the joker for to long .....