Hes being extradited! :( Sad day for freedom.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Hes being extradited! :( Sad day for freedom. SOB

Sucks to be him.
I see indefinite detention and torture in his future.. Proof that freedom is already dead

Yeah :(

They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america.

SOB

Yep, if we can't have openness  and transparency in journalism, what hope?

Just like in the middle east, the west have colluded to kill freedom and democracy.

I expect the International Human Rights Commission would be part of the oligarchy, no help there.

Today is a bad day for democracy, freedom and justice.

And the sheeples follow baa baa

Download the Press Summary of the judgment

Download PDF of the UK Supreme Court judgment

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

Yeah :( They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america. SOB

What I cannot understand, is, why would Sweden extradite him to America?
If he is guilty of any offence in Sweden, he should stand trial there, if he is prosecuted, cop the fine or imprisonment, but after that, he should be allowed to go wherever he wants to.
Is Sweden so undemocratic to act as a lackey for the USA, similar to Asutralia?

hawil wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 6:42pm: Yeah :( They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america. SOB What I cannot understand, is, why would Sweden extradite him to America? If he is guilty of any offence in Sweden, he should stand trial there, if he is prosecuted, cop the fine or imprisonment, but after that, he should be allowed to go wherever he wants to. Is Sweden so undemocratic to act as a lackey for the USA, similar to Asutralia?

I think Sweden has an extradition treaty with the USA.

hawil wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 6:42pm: Yeah :( They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america. SOB What I cannot understand, is, why would Sweden extradite him to America? If he is guilty of any offence in Sweden, he should stand trial there, if he is prosecuted, cop the fine or imprisonment, but after that, he should be allowed to go wherever he wants to. Is Sweden so undemocratic to act as a lackey for the USA, similar to Asutralia?

Yeah. Apparently their agreement with the yanks is worse than ours. Ours @ least specified "terrorism" but theirs doesnt. Not does UKs (which they are discovering now).

Seems to me though that they can possibly NOT give him over. Its within their power. I saw some talking head last night saying he doesnt think they will but when you think about it - why trump up these silly "minor rape" (not using a condom apparently) charges to get him there if they arent planning on handing him over?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 7:23am:

Yeah. Apparently their agreement with the yanks is worse than ours. Ours @ least specified "terrorism" but theirs doesnt. SOB

Is their anything stopping the US from accusing Assange of terrorism?

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 7:23am: Yeah. Apparently their agreement with the yanks is worse than ours. Ours @ least specified "terrorism" but theirs doesnt. SOB Is their anything stopping the US from accusing Assange of terrorism?

Accusing him? No. They can accuse him of terrorism and lock him up for the rest of his life.
But they probably can not charge him with it in a court of law.

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:05am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 7:23am: Yeah. Apparently their agreement with the yanks is worse than ours. Ours @ least specified "terrorism" but theirs doesnt. SOB Is their anything stopping the US from accusing Assange of terrorism?

Espionage is just as bad. Once they get him extradited for that they can change it to terrorism if they want but the point the yanks are making ATM with all these extractions is that they can do it on any yank law they want. they are setting precedents all over the place.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:42pm:

They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america.

It's ridiculous that he never committed that crime in America -- as far as I know anyway.

Apparently he may get another shot @ an appeal. I dont think the UK is happy about their international "agreement" with the eu being misused by the yanks. Too bad they already signed ACTA.

SOB

Smuggle Drugs Into Bali, Get Full Australian Government Support

http://images.watoday.com.au/2008/08/15/181610/corby.jpg


Expose US War Crimes, Get hung Out To Dry

http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/dynamic/00906/N094492130764474570_906814t.jpg

I doubt she smuggled any drugs BTW

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 11:03am:

Apparently he may get another shot @ an appeal. I dont think the UK is happy about their international "agreement" with the eu being misused by the yanks. Too bad they already signed ACTA. SOB

I regard signing ACTA as an act of treason.

There is no other way to describe it.....

Kat wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 11:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 11:03am: Apparently he may get another shot @ an appeal. I dont think the UK is happy about their international "agreement" with the eu being misused by the yanks. Too bad they already signed ACTA. SOB I regard signing ACTA as an act of treason. There is no other way to describe it.....

Oh well who needs freedom anyway

They just said on QT that assange is facing the death penalty in america? WTF? For espionage i suppose? ....

SOB

Smart move, it was just too risky to go to Sweden where he would have been extradited to the US and held without charge forever.

Come on Ecuador! Save this man who's only crime was exposing corrupt governments and organisations.

I would imagine that he made prior contact to establish their position in this matter.
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Assange seeks asylum at Ecuador embassy

WIKILEAKS founder Julian Assange sought asylum overnight at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

Ecuador's Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said in Quito the "government is examining the request", AFP reported.

On its Twitter account, WikiLeaks said Mr Assange was "under the protection of the Ecuadorian embassy in London."

Last week, the UK's Supreme Court dismissed an appeal from his lawyers asking to reopen an appeal into his extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for alleged sex crimes involving two women.

The 40-year-old Australian reportedly fears that if he is sent to Sweden, he will then be extradited to the US for prosecution over charges associated with his WikiLeaks website, which released hundreds of thousands of classified diplomatic cables revealing US secrets.

The Ecuadorian embassy in London released a statement confirming Mr Assange was seeking asylum there and "as a signatory to the United Nations Universal Declaration for Human Rights, with an obligation to review all applications for asylum, we have immediately passed his application on to the relevant department in Quito".

"While the department assesses Mr Assange's application, Mr Assange will remain at the embassy, under the protection of the Ecuadorian Government.

"The decision to consider Mr. Assange's application for protective asylum should in no way be interpreted as the Government of Ecuador interfering in the judicial processes of either the United Kingdom or Sweden."

http://www.news.com.au/technology/assange-seeks-asylum-at-ecuador-embassy/story-e6frfro0-1226402397348

Ah! I remember, they talked on RT.
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President Of Ecuador, Where Assange Now Seeks Asylum, Is A WikiLeaks Fan And Calls Assange 'Persecuted'

As WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange seeks asylum in the unlikely destination of Ecuador to avoid extradition and questioning over alleged sexual misconduct in Sweden, he may have one fan in the South American country: its president.

But Assange may be hoping the president of the country, Rafael Correa, will follow up with a statement more like the one he made to Assange two months ago: ”Cheer up! Cheer up! Welcome to the club of the persecuted!”

Those were a few of the closing words of Correa’s interview with Assange in April, when the two spoke for his television show the World of Tomorrow on the Russian-government funded network RT. Correa agreed to a 75 minute one-on-one interview with Assange, performed remotely from Assange’s studio in London. For the most part, the interview consisted of Correa promoting his policies, railing against the press in his country, and explaining his move to close an American military base in Ecuador. (See the video here and the full transcript here.)

But he also took a few moments to express his appreciation of WikiLeaks’ work:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/06/19/president-of-ecuador-where-assange-now-seeks-asylum-is-a-wikileaks-fan-and-calls-assange-persecuted/

would you guys be chearing a pawn shop owner who knowingly sold stolen goods? .... Assange deserves whatever he gets ....he knew he was releasing stolen classified information and didn't care ...... you can't just ignore laws under the banner of freedom ... if that was the case, i can shoot someone and say we're a free country, why not .....

John Smith wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

would you guys be chearing a pawn shop owner who knowingly sold stolen goods? .... Assange deserves whatever he gets ....he knew he was releasing stolen classified information and didn't care ...... you can't just ignore laws under the banner of freedom ... if that was the case, i can shoot someone and say we're a free country, why not .....

So you dont care that our country (and several others) signed ACTA and didnt tell us the ppl about it? Assange is a freedom fighter.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 9:18am: would you guys be chearing a pawn shop owner who knowingly sold stolen goods? .... Assange deserves whatever he gets ....he knew he was releasing stolen classified information and didn't care ...... you can't just ignore laws under the banner of freedom ... if that was the case, i can shoot someone and say we're a free country, why not ..... So you dont care that our country (and several others) signed ACTA and didnt tell us the ppl about it? Assange is a freedom fighter. SOB

nope ... the ends don't justify the means ... I'm sure that there are thousands of documents the various Australian governments have signed over the years that I am unaware of ... am I any better off knowing about this one in particular?  especially knowing that he deliberately broke several laws to do so ....

John Smith wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 9:18am: would you guys be chearing a pawn shop owner who knowingly sold stolen goods? .... Assange deserves whatever he gets ....he knew he was releasing stolen classified information and didn't care ...... you can't just ignore laws under the banner of freedom ... if that was the case, i can shoot someone and say we're a free country, why not ..... So you dont care that our country (and several others) signed ACTA and didnt tell us the ppl about it? Assange is a freedom fighter. SOB nope ... the ends don't justify the means ... I'm sure that there are thousands of documents the various Australian governments have signed over the years that I am unaware of ... am I any better off knowing about this one in particular?  especially knowing that he deliberately broke several laws to do so ....

We are supposedly in a democracy. Where we vote and we have the power. Of course this is BS but in theory its what most ppl think we have. Why should govts keep secrets from us??

SOB

It is a tradeoff. Do whatever the US says, get access to some of the overpriced weapons that the US makes.

'cause they want us under their control maybe?

What part of the picture are you missing out on?

Everybody wants control over you, me, and the Sahara desert.

It's up to you to have foresight enough to deny control over your self, your being, your purpose.

Gillards lack of help for Assange is just as bad as Howards lack of help for Hicks.

Both make me sick.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Gillards lack of help for Assange is just as bad as Howards lack of help for Hicks. Both make me sick.

Two prime ministers who have shown absolute disregard for the wellbeing of their citizens. A shame on Australia, and a spit in the face of its people by elected governments.

I think it is repulsive the way Gillard has treated Assange and his mother. It's pathetic how she's afraid to go against the wishes of old mate Obama. Even Canada is game to say no to them and they have closer ties than we have.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 11:25am:

Gillards lack of help for Assange is just as bad as Howards lack of help for Hicks. Both make me sick.

Yes the poor guy.

Kosovo, Bosnia and Afghanistan.
He was just taking in the sights on holiday....

Deleted by Kat.

Trouble is, I see no political party proposing any view to help Assange.

Lib, lab, green, national.  All deafly quiet.  Shame.

Gillard said "it's his choice" regarding seeking asylum in Ecuador. In other words 'don't bring me into it'.

Give credit where it's due, one Greens senator went over to the UK to support him at one of his court cases, maybe more, not sure. If the greens had the power to do so, I think they might let him come home. I don't know if they could be trusted not to extradite him to America though.

He's better off taking refuge in Ecuador, although wherever he goes in the world he will be hunted down by the yanks. They really don't take kindly to the world finding out about their evil deeds.

You can clearly see why America has lost its standing in the world.

We need a thousand Julian Assange's and it still wouldn't be enough. I hope he continues to pursue his journalism and keeps on exposing corruption from his new home.

This is interesting for Assange:

The USA has had rocky relations with Equador.
It's in South America so he's actually going to the American continent -
closer to the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador%E2%80%93United_States_relations


Quote:

Ecuador and the U.S. agreed in 1999 to a 10-year arrangement whereby U.S. military surveillance aircraft could use the airbase at Manta, Ecuador, as a Forward Operating Location to detect drug trafficking flights through the region. The arrangement expired in 2009; current president Rafael Correa vowed not to renew it, and since then the Ecuador has not had any foreign military facilities in the country. In April 2011, Ecuador expelled the U.S. ambassador after a leaked diplomatic cable was shown accusing president Correa of knowingly ignoring police corruption. In reciprocation, the Ecuadorian ambassador Luis Gallegos was expelled from the United States.

The question is - would Assange be safe in Ecuador?

Don't know exactly how the law works in a case like this (or what the end game would be) but could assange just be using Ecuador as a jump point to somewhere else?

I am assuming that it would be impossible to get out of Britain at the moment, but from Ecuador he could probably go many places, including Australia. I'm guessing if he got back into Australia it would force the hand of the government to deal with his issue. I doubt extraditing an Australian citizen to another country would be well accepted, especially when they didnt commit a crime on that nations soil specifically, and where they may face death for it.

http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/images.nature-2/web/c120497.03.04a-600.galapagos.tortoise.jpg

Is - he - here - yet? - I can leak a lot of things, Tortoises live a long time, nobody around here has seen a dead tortoise.

Grey wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:53pm:

http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/images.nature-2/web/c120497.03.04a-600.galapagos.tortoise.jpg Is - he - here - yet? - I can leak a lot of things, Tortoises live a long time, nobody around here has seen a dead tortoise.

And that's one of the things that SHYT me about these useless, out-of-touch-with-reality copywrong 'laws'.

Just on principle, I went to their site, looked at the pic...........then downloaded a copy of it.

Fuggem! Fuggem all!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Hes being extradited! :( Sad day for freedom. SOB

A good day for those who want to see suspected rapists face trial.

Mnemonic wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 6:42pm: They are talking about charging him under "the espionage act" in america. It's ridiculous that he never committed that crime in America -- as far as I know anyway.

He leaked secret US documents to the public so that any would-be terrorist or other nasty could read them.

The US are right to want to put him on trial.

Frankly, I find it disgusting that so many on the Left want to see a man escape being put on trial for rape.  It just reinforces my belief that the Left don't know right from wrong.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

Assange is a freedom fighter.

And a suspected rapist.

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

This is interesting for Assange: The USA has had rocky relations with Equador. It's in South America so he's actually going to the American continent - closer to the USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuador%E2%80%93United_States_relations Quote: Ecuador and the U.S. agreed in 1999 to a 10-year arrangement whereby U.S. military surveillance aircraft could use the airbase at Manta, Ecuador, as a Forward Operating Location to detect drug trafficking flights through the region. The arrangement expired in 2009; current president Rafael Correa vowed not to renew it, and since then the Ecuador has not had any foreign military facilities in the country. In April 2011, Ecuador expelled the U.S. ambassador after a leaked diplomatic cable was shown accusing president Correa of knowingly ignoring police corruption. In reciprocation, the Ecuadorian ambassador Luis Gallegos was expelled from the United States. The question is - would Assange be safe in Ecuador?

He won't be safe anywhere in this world with the yanks after his blood. I don't think he should come back here, Ausmerica will hand him over without a second thought. We are America and whatever they want from us they get.

If he can get out of the UK at least he stands a chance to have some sort of a life, always looking over his shoulder though, for the rest of his life.

Oh the price for truth and justice in the 21st century.

I hope he lives to expose lots more filthy deeds. The more corrupt that the governments of the west get, the more great people like Assange will come forth to enlighten us. We, the people deserve to know the truth!

Remember the first YouTube clip that we saw? American soldiers in a helicopter firing on and killing civilians in Iraq, among the victims were children on their way to school.

You can't hide your filthy secrets America.

Some people like cofgod are happy to remain ignorant about that. Is it too hard for you to watch? It was certainly heart wrenching, but I'm glad I saw it.

Thanks to young heroes like Bradley Manning that we did see that. Let's hope we see all the unnecessary murders of innocent people carried out by the coalition of terror.

Quantum wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:20pm:

Don't know exactly how the law works in a case like this (or what the end game would be) but could assange just be using Ecuador as a jump point to somewhere else? I am assuming that it would be impossible to get out of Britain at the moment, but from Ecuador he could probably go many places, including Australia. I'm guessing if he got back into Australia it would force the hand of the government to deal with his issue. I doubt extraditing an Australian citizen to another country would be well accepted, especially when they didnt commit a crime on that nations soil specifically, and where they may face death for it.

He may want to but I dont think so. Australia is not supporting him and we signed ACTA and other agreements. Our government would hand him over. Of course they may be a fuss but its going to happen sometime. Its happening all over the world. Darn america thinks they can take anyone from anywhere.

Maybe he can go somewhere else from ecuador. He needs to research which places dont have extradition treaties (and arent likely to get them soon). Thing is those countries are the ones that the yanks are @ war with.

SOB

Cofgod wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 3:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 6:22pm: Hes being extradited! :( Sad day for freedom. SOB A good day for those who want to see suspected rapists face trial.

Its a trumped up charge to get him there so the yanks can get him.

SOB

Cofgod wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 3:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 9:34am: Assange is a freedom fighter. And a suspected rapist.

Look up the laws for that country. Its "minor rape" and includes "not using a condom" as minor rape (and other silly things).

SOB

Assange exposed ACTA but its too late for us.We are already signatories.

SOB

This interview with Assanges mother explains it well. The Swedish don't really want him for the rape inquiries, they want him so that they can to extradite him to the USA.

Well worth the read for those who care.

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Assange's mother: Australia puppet govt aided US persecution of Julian

As the Julian Assange case took a turn for the dramatic with his asylum request to Ecuador, in an exclusive interview to RT Christine Assange called the Australian government a puppet of the US that aided and abetted the persecution of her son.

http://www.rt.com/news/julian-sweden-prosecutor-rights-284/

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 7:38am:

Cofgod wrote on Jun 21st, 2012 at 3:47am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 30th, 2012 at 6:22pm: Hes being extradited! :( Sad day for freedom. SOB A good day for those who want to see suspected rapists face trial. Its a trumped up charge to get him there so the yanks can get him. SOB

Have you got any proof of that?

And even if it is, he should hand himself over to the Americans for trial anyway.  He leaked secret US documents for all the world and any terrorist see.

The Americans are not being unreasonable here.  They can hardly be blamed for wanting to put such a dangerous person on trial.

And if a terrorist attack occurred that was as a result of information that Assange leaked then I would not like to be in his shoes.  It wouldn't be wise for him even to walk down the street.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 21^st, 2012 at 9:30am:

This interview with Assanges mother explains it well. The Swedish don't really want him for the rape inquiries, they want him so that they can to extradite him to the USA. Well worth the read for those who care. ....................................................................... Assange's mother: Australia puppet govt aided US persecution of Julian As the Julian Assange case took a turn for the dramatic with his asylum request to Ecuador, in an exclusive interview to RT Christine Assange called the Australian government a puppet of the US that aided and abetted the persecution of her son. http://www.rt.com/news/julian-sweden-prosecutor-rights-284/

Assange's mother WOULD say that, wouldn't she?

They can hardly be blamed for wanting to put such a dangerous person on trial.

How have you come to the estimation that Assange is "dangerous"?

I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion.
Dangerous to whom or what? And how? how is he dangerous? What will telling the truth put into danger?

The only "thing " the truth puts in danger is deadly lies that get people killed. Or am I missing a vital piece of information that you are privy to and hasn't been publicly released yet?

This situation is the product of successive Governments completely shameless laziness when it comes to our own defence forces. We can't afford to piss off the Americans so we allow our own citizens to be witchhunted.

It started with Hicks and it will continue with Assange. Absolutely. Pathetic.

Quote:

They can hardly be blamed for wanting to put such a dangerous person on trial.

How is he dangerous?


Quote:

And if a terrorist attack occurred that was as a result of information that Assange leaked then I would not like to be in his shoes.  It wouldn't be wise for him even to walk down the street.

How could a terrorist attack occur from what he released? However i am surprised there arent more freedom fighters in australia (and other countries) against that ACTA. Of course it doesnt bother you.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 6:49am:

Quote: They can hardly be blamed for wanting to put such a dangerous person on trial. How is he dangerous? [quote]And if a terrorist attack occurred that was as a result of information that Assange leaked then I would not like to be in his shoes.  It wouldn't be wise for him even to walk down the street.

How could a terrorist attack occur from what he released? However i am surprised there arent more freedom fighters in australia (and other countries) against that ACTA. Of course it doesnt bother you.

SOB[/quote]

It's the dumbing down of society. How can people become freedom fighters when they have so much else on their mind, like Angelina Jolie's latest black baby or why you need the latest iphone or are you eating enough greens in your daily diet.

Then we have to sort out what side we will take in the dividing of the nation. It's all about boat people, wars, mining, growth and gay marriage.

Who wants to risk their life fighting for other people's freedoms?

yeah.

Heres the latest. Still waiting to see if he gets asylum. I hope he gets it cause he is really a hero.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-22/assange-speaks-to-abc-from-ecuadorian-embassy/4085564

Spot

Here's some more latest from wikileaks facebook page, no link yet.

The evil terrorist nation known as the USA have threatened to hit Ecuador with trade sanctions if they give asylum to Assange. The American administration must be destroyed to save the world.

Dooley wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2012 at 1:33am:

They can hardly be blamed for wanting to put such a dangerous person on trial. How have you come to the estimation that Assange is "dangerous"?

He's dangerous to anybody who does not place a high value on freedom, and he's dangerous to anybody who wants to restrict our freedom, and that includes the US and Australia  (sadly). It's a disgrace that he should be seeking asylum in Ecuador. He should be a national hero. Australian people expect the Australian government to support its citizens. Maybe Julia Gillard is a gutless wonder who regards Australia as being under US hegemony, but one day, we'll see a leader with some backbone. 

I was one of many people who downloaded the files so that if anybody threatened to take them offline, they'd have to stand up to thousands of people worldwide first.  You want to take down Wikileaks? Over our dead bodies.

We need to see some global action if Assange is extradited to the US, including a boycott of the US dollar for major trading purposes. If you purchase for a corporation, make your international purchases in Euros or Yen - or anything except US dollars.

The mice are about to roar. If we let this happen, it will be a slippery slope for individual freedom.

Somehow I doubt we will ever get a decent PM. "The ppl" are idiots and seem to be voting for idiots. Look how there are actual abbott supporters out there. Geez theres no hope. We need a bastille day.

And the crash is coming and we wont be able to move an inch - too busy trying to put food on the table to notice whats being taken away by the pollies.

SOB

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:57am:

Here's some more latest from wikileaks facebook page, no link yet. The evil terrorist nation known as the USA have threatened to hit Ecuador with trade sanctions if they give asylum to Assange. The American administration must be destroyed to save the world.

I think you'll find it was the Washington Post suggesting it could happen.

Is the irony of choosing Ecuador the once haven of Europes Nazis  lost on Assange ?

What really pisses me off with Assange is that he did what he could to prod the USA, then once they bite back he cries "not fair". The facts are he published secret documents, whether or not you agree that it was in the public interest is irrelevent, he consequently broke laws.

Wikileaks has spent most of it's time attacking the USA and that comes at a cost.

Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke

Guildford wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 8:57am:

Is the irony of choosing Ecuador the once haven of Europes Nazis  lost on Assange ? What really pisses me off with Assange is that he did what he could to prod the USA, then once they bite back he cries "not fair". The facts are he published secret documents, whether or not you agree that it was in the public interest is irrelevent, he consequently broke laws. Wikileaks has spent most of it's time attacking the USA and that comes at a cost.

Plenty of newspapers have published extracts of the same documents, and there have been many occasions where leaked documents (eg cabonet documents) have been made public.  Assange is an easy target. If they target the newspapers, it might start rumblings of freedom of speech being compromised.

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:16am:

Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke

He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this?

SOB

Assange Seeks Asylum in Ecuador: Australia Betrays Its Own Citizen Journalist

by Dave Lindorff / June 20th, 2012

I’ve long had a fondness of Australia. Since back in the early 1980s, when I worked out of the New York City bureau of the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, flagship of the Fairfax publishing company, writing for several Fairfax publications (including the sadly now defunct National Times and the magazine Business Review Weekly), and got to know a bunch of smart, funny Oz journalists, I’ve come to know the country as a place much like our own in many ways — like the friendliness and lack of artifice of its people and the vast beauty of its still vast wilderness areas.

But where I once also admired what appeared to be a strain of independence in Australia — a willingness to stand apart from America on things like socialized medicine, the death penalty, and the use of land mines in warfare — I have seen the country fall into line with terrible US policies like the invasion of Iraq, the ongoing war in Afghanistan, and most recently the posting of US marines on Australian territory.

I also envied Australia over the years for having something totally lacking in the US: a major labor-based party advocating democratic-socialist policies, that successfully vies for power in running the country. But of late, that party, now headed by Prime Minister Julia Eileen Gillard, has been a shameless and uncritical apologist for US policies, including the so-called “Global War on Terror,” and policies like rendition to and detention at torture centers like Guantanamo and Bagram Airbase.

Most recently, Australia and its Prime Minister Gillard have been strangely passive in allowing the US to attack Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange, an Australian citizen.

Despite credible reports that the US has a secret sealed spying indictment prepared against Assange, currently facing deportation from Britain to Sweden on questionable and probably politically motivated charges of rape, and concerns that the US is prepared to seek to extradite him to the US to face potential capital charges if he is extradited to Sweden, Australia has not done anything to defend its own citizen against such threats. These threats and an unsuccessful appeal of the extradition request in British courts have led to Assange’s latest decision to seek asylum in the Ecuadoran embassy in London.

The most that Gillard has said about Assange’s case by way of “support” is that Australia does not permit extradition to countries where its citizens could face a death penalty, but, of course, the US could always promise not to seek the death penalty in any prosecution of Assange. Gillard also is on record as having stated that Assange is “guilty” of having released secret US documents from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and cables between the US and foreign governments (an astonishing statement since such an action is not even a crime!). The Gillard government in February passed legislation making it impossible for Assange, had he succeeded in defeating Swedish efforts to extradite him from Britain, to return to Australia and avoid a future extradition request from the US.

So it has come to this: A man who has courageously exposed US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan is forced to flee to a Latin American country’s embassy to avoid capture, prosecution in a kangaroo court or perhaps even a military trial, and then imprisonment, torture and maybe even execution by the self-described “leader of the free world” — the country that has committed these war crimes he exposed. And his own country not only won’t help him. It is cooperating in his persecution.

My old employer, the Sydney Morning Herald, using Australia’s freedom of information law, obtained some diplomatic cables showing that the Australian government in Canberra has been working in concert with the Obama administration in the US to facilitate US prosecution of Assange as a spy. The Morning Herald also reports that the Australian government has taken steps to prevent further release of its diplomatic correspondence with the US regarding the Assange case.

I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised by this sell-out by Australia’s Labor Party of its own country’s sovereignty. Today’s Aussie Labor Party is a pale imitation of the party of Gough Whitlam, the first Labor prime minister, elected in 1972. Furthermore, Prime Minister Gillard is surely well aware of how Whitlam, who on taking office pulled Australian troops out of Vietnam, ended conscription, denounced President Nixon and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger as “mass murderers” and “maniacs” for the 1972 Christmas bombings of Hanoi, replaced “God Save the Queen” as the country’s national anthem, established policies giving land rights to aborigines, established a national health care system, spoke out for Palestinian rights and called for an Indian Ocean “zone of peace,” became the target of a successful CIA subversion campaign.

Still, it is sad to see a country’s government betray its own countryman on behalf of a more powerful nation. It’s something we in the US have become almost inured to, as when the US maintained a stony silence as Israeli soldiers murdered a 19 year-old Turkish-American peace activist on the Gaza peace flotilla in 2010. But that’s our own shame.

I had hoped for better from Australia.

At least Australians still have mainstream corporate news organizations that are willing to aggressively report on their government’s vile sell-out of the country’s national dignity.

Meanwhile, please write to the Ecuadoran government and urge them to resist pressure from the Gringo government in Washington and to grant Assange’s request for asylum.

Dave Lindorff writes for ThisCantBeHappening!, the new independent Project Censored award-winning online alternative newspaper.

Source:  Mathaba.net

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:16am: Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this? SOB

No, I don't have a link .. i watched an interview on tele once and they asked him would he agree to having his private memo's published ... he made some excuse about it not being in the publics interest and therefore he wouldn't like it .... isn't it for the public to determine if it's in their interest? who put him in charge of determining whats public interest and what isn't .. personally, i'd like to see those memo's because I have concerns over his reasons for doing what he does.. i don't trust him

wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Assange Seeks Asylum in Ecuador: Australia Betrays Its Own Citizen Journalist by Dave Lindorff / June 20th, 2012 I’ve long had a fondness of Australia. Since back in the early 1980s, when I worked out of the New York City bureau of the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, flagship of the Fairfax publishing company, writing for several Fairfax publications (including the sadly now defunct National Times and the magazine Business Review Weekly), and got to know a bunch of smart, funny Oz journalists, I’ve come to know the country as a place much like our own in many ways — like the friendliness and lack of artifice of its people and the vast beauty of its still vast wilderness areas. But where I once also admired what appeared to be a strain of independence in Australia — a willingness to stand apart from America on things like socialized medicine, the death penalty, and the use of land mines in warfare — I have seen the country fall into line with terrible US policies like the invasion of Iraq, the ongoing war in Afghanistan, and most recently the posting of US marines on Australian territory. I also envied Australia over the years for having something totally lacking in the US: a major labor-based party advocating democratic-socialist policies, that successfully vies for power in running the country. But of late, that party, now headed by Prime Minister Julia Eileen Gillard, has been a shameless and uncritical apologist for US policies, including the so-called “Global War on Terror,” and policies like rendition to and detention at torture centers like Guantanamo and Bagram Airbase. Most recently, Australia and its Prime Minister Gillard have been strangely passive in allowing the US to attack Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange, an Australian citizen. Despite credible reports that the US has a secret sealed spying indictment prepared against Assange, currently facing deportation from Britain to Sweden on questionable and probably politically motivated charges of rape, and concerns that the US is prepared to seek to extradite him to the US to face potential capital charges if he is extradited to Sweden, Australia has not done anything to defend its own citizen against such threats. These threats and an unsuccessful appeal of the extradition request in British courts have led to Assange’s latest decision to seek asylum in the Ecuadoran embassy in London. The most that Gillard has said about Assange’s case by way of “support” is that Australia does not permit extradition to countries where its citizens could face a death penalty, but, of course, the US could always promise not to seek the death penalty in any prosecution of Assange. Gillard also is on record as having stated that Assange is “guilty” of having released secret US documents from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and cables between the US and foreign governments (an astonishing statement since such an action is not even a crime!). The Gillard government in February passed legislation making it impossible for Assange, had he succeeded in defeating Swedish efforts to extradite him from Britain, to return to Australia and avoid a future extradition request from the US. So it has come to this: A man who has courageously exposed US war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan is forced to flee to a Latin American country’s embassy to avoid capture, prosecution in a kangaroo court or perhaps even a military trial, and then imprisonment, torture and maybe even execution by the self-described “leader of the free world” — the country that has committed these war crimes he exposed. And his own country not only won’t help him. It is cooperating in his persecution. My old employer, the Sydney Morning Herald, using Australia’s freedom of information law, obtained some diplomatic cables showing that the Australian government in Canberra has been working in concert with the Obama administration in the US to facilitate US prosecution of Assange as a spy. The Morning Herald also reports that the Australian government has taken steps to prevent further release of its diplomatic correspondence with the US regarding the Assange case. I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised by this sell-out by Australia’s Labor Party of its own country’s sovereignty. Today’s Aussie Labor Party is a pale imitation of the party of Gough Whitlam, the first Labor prime minister, elected in 1972. Furthermore, Prime Minister Gillard is surely well aware of how Whitlam, who on taking office pulled Australian troops out of Vietnam, ended conscription, denounced President Nixon and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger as “mass murderers” and “maniacs” for the 1972 Christmas bombings of Hanoi, replaced “God Save the Queen” as the country’s national anthem, established policies giving land rights to aborigines, established a national health care system, spoke out for Palestinian rights and called for an Indian Ocean “zone of peace,” became the target of a successful CIA subversion campaign. Still, it is sad to see a country’s government betray its own countryman on behalf of a more powerful nation. It’s something we in the US have become almost inured to, as when the US maintained a stony silence as Israeli soldiers murdered a 19 year-old Turkish-American peace activist on the Gaza peace flotilla in 2010. But that’s our own shame. I had hoped for better from Australia. At least Australians still have mainstream corporate news organizations that are willing to aggressively report on their government’s vile sell-out of the country’s national dignity. Meanwhile, please write to the Ecuadoran government and urge them to resist pressure from the Gringo government in Washington and to grant Assange’s request for asylum. Dave Lindorff writes for ThisCantBeHappening!, the new independent Project Censored award-winning online alternative newspaper. Source:  Mathaba.net

is this guy already receiving orders from Gine Rhinefart? since when is it Gulias fault that we followed the US in the war on terror?

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:16am: Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this? SOB No, I don't have a link .. i watched an interview on tele once and they asked him would he agree to having his private memo's published ... he made some excuse about it not being in the publics interest and therefore he wouldn't like it .... isn't it for the public to determine if it's in their interest? who put him in charge of determining whats public interest and what isn't .. personally, i'd like to see those memo's because I have concerns over his reasons for doing what he says .. i don't trust him

There is a difference between someone's private stuff and a governments "private stuff" because a government shouldn't have private stuff. Not like ACTA etc, The ppl should know about it - its why we pay them. the stuff he published we pretty much need to know. We dont need to know his private business.

SOB

David Lindorff says

"I had hoped for better from Australia."

I have long given up hoping for better from my country.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:16am: Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this? SOB No, I don't have a link .. i watched an interview on tele once and they asked him would he agree to having his private memo's published ... he made some excuse about it not being in the publics interest and therefore he wouldn't like it .... isn't it for the public to determine if it's in their interest? who put him in charge of determining whats public interest and what isn't .. personally, i'd like to see those memo's because I have concerns over his reasons for doing what he says .. i don't trust him There is a difference between someone's private stuff and a governments "private stuff" because a government shouldn't have private stuff. Not like ACTA etc, The ppl should know about it - its why we pay them. the stuff he published we pretty much need to know. We dont need to know his private business. SOB

thats a bullshit pathetic excuse .. he put himself out into the public arena, I certainly didn't put him there ....  the private memo's from an ambassador to the respective PM or president is private ... thats why its called a private memo ... are you claiming gillard or any other world leader cannot have a private conversation ? that everything they do and say to everyone should be public? governments have as much of a right to privacy as everyone else .. otherwise we would be up to World War 12.

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:16am: Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this? SOB No, I don't have a link .. i watched an interview on tele once and they asked him would he agree to having his private memo's published ... he made some excuse about it not being in the publics interest and therefore he wouldn't like it .... isn't it for the public to determine if it's in their interest? who put him in charge of determining whats public interest and what isn't .. personally, i'd like to see those memo's because I have concerns over his reasons for doing what he says .. i don't trust him There is a difference between someone's private stuff and a governments "private stuff" because a government shouldn't have private stuff. Not like ACTA etc, The ppl should know about it - its why we pay them. the stuff he published we pretty much need to know. We dont need to know his private business. SOB thats a bullshit pathetic excuse .. he put himself out into the public arena, I certainly didn't put him there ....  the private memo's from an ambassador to the respective PM or president is private ... thats why its called a private memo ... are you claiming gillard or any other world leader cannot have a private conversation ? that everything they do and say to everyone should be public? governments have as much of a right to privacy as everyone else .. otherwise we would be up to World War 12.

I dont know ALL the stuff he exposed. I know he exposed some stuff that we needed to know though. And private memos between "world leaders" that are outlining secret plans that effect us all - yeah we should find out about them

They shouldn't be plotting against their employers (us).

SOB

The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure.

Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing.

The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy.

They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 6:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:34pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:21pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 6:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:34am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:16am: Assange is a self serving cry baby .... he wanted to build his little empire on the grounds of freedom of information and yet objects to anybody publishing any of his private memo's , reeks of hypocrisy ... why does joe public need to know what the ambassador of fcukofistan thinks of the president of nobodygivesashyt... he kicked the tiger and is now crying that the tiger wants to bite back .. what did he think was going to happen? and for all the clowns calling him a hero, hero's don't hide if they believe in what they are doing ..... if he's hiding its because he thinks he has something to hide ... he dealt in stolen goods, he published top secret documents ... they're just two laws that he DELIBERATELY broke He objects to anyone publishing his private memos? Do you have a link for this? SOB No, I don't have a link .. i watched an interview on tele once and they asked him would he agree to having his private memo's published ... he made some excuse about it not being in the publics interest and therefore he wouldn't like it .... isn't it for the public to determine if it's in their interest? who put him in charge of determining whats public interest and what isn't .. personally, i'd like to see those memo's because I have concerns over his reasons for doing what he says .. i don't trust him There is a difference between someone's private stuff and a governments "private stuff" because a government shouldn't have private stuff. Not like ACTA etc, The ppl should know about it - its why we pay them. the stuff he published we pretty much need to know. We dont need to know his private business. SOB thats a bullshit pathetic excuse .. he put himself out into the public arena, I certainly didn't put him there ....  the private memo's from an ambassador to the respective PM or president is private ... thats why its called a private memo ... are you claiming gillard or any other world leader cannot have a private conversation ? that everything they do and say to everyone should be public? governments have as much of a right to privacy as everyone else .. otherwise we would be up to World War 12. I dont know ALL the stuff he exposed. I know he exposed some stuff that we needed to know though. And private memos between "world leaders" that are outlining secret plans that effect us all - yeah we should find out about them They shouldn't be plotting against their employers (us). SOB

a private memo that shows that the US ambassador thinks the the president of buggerofistan is arrogant is hardly your concern .. and by publishing such stuff he puts the diplomatic effort back decades ... i don't like everyone i work with ..but i still work with them ..and I don't tell them they are dicks ... it just makes my job harder if I do

awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what ....

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 7:29pm:

a private memo that shows that the US ambassador thinks the the president of buggerofistan is arrogant is hardly your concern .. and by publishing such stuff he puts the diplomatic effort back decades ... i don't like everyone i work with ..but i still work with them ..and I don't tell them they are dicks ... it just makes my job harder if I do

If the US did not want its secrets exposed, it should have protected them better.

It is not Assange's fault that the US did not protect its own secrets.

falah wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:29pm: a private memo that shows that the US ambassador thinks the the president of buggerofistan is arrogant is hardly your concern .. and by publishing such stuff he puts the diplomatic effort back decades ... i don't like everyone i work with ..but i still work with them ..and I don't tell them they are dicks ... it just makes my job harder if I do If the US did not want its secrets exposed, it should have protected them better. It is not Assange's fault that the US did not protect its own secrets.

Ahh... the old Mufti El Hilali 'uncovered cat's meat' argument: it's not the thief's or rapist's fault. It's the victim's fault. Glorious sharia-compliant minds!

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 8:12pm:

falah wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:47pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:29pm: a private memo that shows that the US ambassador thinks the the president of buggerofistan is arrogant is hardly your concern .. and by publishing such stuff he puts the diplomatic effort back decades ... i don't like everyone i work with ..but i still work with them ..and I don't tell them they are dicks ... it just makes my job harder if I do If the US did not want its secrets exposed, it should have protected them better. It is not Assange's fault that the US did not protect its own secrets. Ahh... the old Mufti El Hilali 'uncovered cat's meat' argument: it's not the thief's or rapist's fault. It's the victim's fault. Glorious sharia-compliant minds!

And who's fault would it be if Wikileaks exposed the dastardly Muselmen?

It did?

Well, that would be the uncovered meat's fault. Common sense, innit.

The dastardly Mohammedan needs to open his mouth and he is exposed.

That's right, old chap. So if I put what he says on the internet, should I have my hands cut off for being a thief?

Shurely shome mishtake.

Enquiring mind wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 8:40pm:

That's right, old chap. So if I put what he says on the internet, should I have my hands cut off for being a thief? Shurely shome mishtake.

If you are laughing while you put on the internet what the dastardly Mohammedan says, yes you will end up in court.
There is no joke in Islam. You quote the Koran AND laugh at the same time, you will be in big trouble, PB.
But who among us can quote the Koran and not laugh??

It is a trap, I tell you.

John Smith wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what ....

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 7:08pm:

The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve.

Heh you missed a post.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 7:14am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB

the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up ....

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 7:49am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:14am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up ....

Nobody knows if he would have published stuff that would actually do damage to security. What he published was stuff we needed to know about.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 7:56am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:14am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up .... Nobody knows if he would have published stuff that would actually do damage to security. What he published was stuff we needed to know about. SOB

The fact that you make a comment like that after earlier admitting that you didn't know everything he published reeks of desperation ... you've no idea what he published apart from maybe a few high profile documents ... and even those i didn't need to know

John Smith, a question:

Do you think the world should not have seen the video of the US military personnel firing on and killing journalists and children in Iraq?

Do you think this footage should have remained a military secret?




He withheld some high profile documents from publication. Let's hope if he does get asylum in Ecuador or somewhere else, he decides to publish those. America doesn't deserve to be treated with due respect. It would go a little way in getting some justice for what they have done to Bradley Manning.

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:56am: John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:14am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up .... Nobody knows if he would have published stuff that would actually do damage to security. What he published was stuff we needed to know about. SOB The fact that you make a comment like that after earlier admitting that you didn't know everything he published reeks of desperation ... you've no idea what he published apart from maybe a few high profile documents ... and even those i didn't need to know

I know (from what pansi said) that he didnt publish anything damaging. Keep up please.

you didnt need to know about ACTA? I bet you havent even checked out the wiki page or anything to see what it is?

SOB

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

John Smith, a question: Do you think the world should not have seen the video of the US military personnel firing on and killing journalists and children in Iraq? Do you think this footage should have remained a military secret? He withheld some high profile documents from publication. Let's hope if he does get asylum in Ecuador or somewhere else, he decides to publish those. America doesn't deserve to be treated with due respect. It would go a little way in getting some justice for what they have done to Bradley Manning.

Yeah ppl go on about how manning is a traitor but he exposed war crimes. He is a whistle blower not a traitor.

SOB

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 8:40am:

John Smith, a question: Do you think the world should not have seen the video of the US military personnel firing on and killing journalists and children in Iraq? Do you think this footage should have remained a military secret? He withheld some high profile documents from publication. Let's hope if he does get asylum in Ecuador or somewhere else, he decides to publish those. America doesn't deserve to be treated with due respect. It would go a little way in getting some justice for what they have done to Bradley Manning.

i don't have a problem with him showing war crimes , Assange showing the military killing innocents is justified, but that doesn't justify the rest of it...  its classified government documents and private memo's between diplomats and government officials that present the problem ... all investigative journalist who takes their job seriously will cover war crimes. ..those same journalists will not delierately publish top secret documents just to get their names in the paper ..... that is the difference between real journalists and Assange ... the man has no integrity , he gets on his high horse and preaches about freedom of speach at the expense of everything else ...

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:04am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:56am: John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:14am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up .... Nobody knows if he would have published stuff that would actually do damage to security. What he published was stuff we needed to know about. SOB The fact that you make a comment like that after earlier admitting that you didn't know everything he published reeks of desperation ... you've no idea what he published apart from maybe a few high profile documents ... and even those i didn't need to know I know (from what pansi said) that he didnt publish anything damaging. Keep up please. you didnt need to know about ACTA? I bet you havent even checked out the wiki page or anything to see what it is? SOB

nope ..I don't need to know about it, I still don't really know about it  ... is there anything that has been accomplished by you knowing? did you stop it or did the governments still sign? there are thousands of agreements the govt. signs every year that I'm not aware off ... you may feel that your better off because you know, but your deluding yourself ... NOTHING HAS CHANGED regardless of the fact that you know ... me, i worry about things i can do something about eg. my dinner, my taxes , my car, my wife, my kids  .. things beyond my control, well, its pointless worrying about it  ...... 

John Smith wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:44am: John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:04am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:56am: John Smith wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:49am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:14am: John Smith wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:31pm: awld ahve happend if during the cuban missile crisis the russians and the americans had acess to everything that was said .... the world would have gotten caught up in a nuclear halocaust that didn't need to happen, is what .... Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 7:08pm: The US actually said at one time that Wikileaks didn't release anything that would do damage to their international relations, sort of along the lines that the  cablegate leaks were crap and they couldn't care less. Playing it down or ?????? they seem pretty hell bent on pay back so I'd presume they were well hurt by the exposure. Of course the yanks will play the terrorists know our secrets game, and he's put our national security at risk, they have to keep up with the fear thing. The only thing that puts their national security at risk is the way they piss off other nations and they rebel. They bring it on themselves by treating people like dirt, then they want bucket loads of sympathy. They won't stop interfering in middle eastern politics, so they get what they deserve. Heh you missed a post. SOB the fact that it didn't do damage is irrelevant ... and its not just US interests at play here .... it had the potential to do damage and he did it regardless ... even he said once that he had so many documents even he didn't have time to go through them all before releasing them, they were just being released as they came up .... Nobody knows if he would have published stuff that would actually do damage to security. What he published was stuff we needed to know about. SOB The fact that you make a comment like that after earlier admitting that you didn't know everything he published reeks of desperation ... you've no idea what he published apart from maybe a few high profile documents ... and even those i didn't need to know I know (from what pansi said) that he didnt publish anything damaging. Keep up please. you didnt need to know about ACTA? I bet you havent even checked out the wiki page or anything to see what it is? SOB nope ..I don't need to know about it, I still don't really know about it  ... is there anything that has been accomplished by you knowing? did you stop it or did the governments still sign? there are thousands of agreements the govt. signs every year that I'm not aware off ... you may feel that your better off because you know, but your deluding yourself ... NOTHING HAS CHANGED regardless of the fact that you know ... me, i worry about things i can do something about eg. my dinner, my taxes , my car, my wife, my kids  .. things beyond my control, well, its pointless worrying about it  ......

Oh yeah. Since it came out plenty has been accomplished AND its been stopped by the EU. There were protests and stuff over there. It was already too late here and america. It cant go ahead without the EU though apparently so some good was done that it was outed in the nick of time.

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Apparently America has no interest in Assange, said Bob Carr, the lizard.
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Assange rejects police request to surrender

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has said that he rejects the British police’s request to hand himself in and will remain in the Ecuadorean embassy and continue his appeal for asylum on grounds of political persecution.

­Earlier on Thursday, police issued an order for Assange to appear at a police station to begin the extradition process.

The letter from the Metropolitan Police sent to the Ecuadorian Embassy said it "requires him to attend a police station at a date and time of our choosing. This is standard practice in extradition cases and is the first step in the removal process."

Assange refused to surrender telling BBC: "Our advice is that asylum law both internationally and domestically takes precedence over extradition law, so almost certainly not."

The whistleblower is currently liable for arrest by the UK police should he leave the embassy on the basis that he violated his bail conditions.

He arrived at the Ecuadorian Embassy last Tuesday, appealing for Asylum from the country’s government. Assange hopes to sidestep his removal to Sweden where he is wanted for questioning over allegations of sexual abuse.

He has voiced fears that Stockholm may turn him over to US jurisdiction where he could be tried on charges of espionage. The publishing of thousands of diplomatic wires on the Wikileaks site prompted a wave of aggressive rhetoric from US politicians branding the whistleblower as a terrorist.

The Ecuadorian government has said that it is no hurry to reach a conclusion over Assange’s appeal. President Rafael Correa stressed his government was considering the legal and political consequences of granting asylum and that it had not set a deadline for the decision. He has recalled the UK ambassador to Ecuador to assess the situation.

"We will come to a decision as a sovereign nation which doesn't exclude the possibility of consulting with friendly nations," said the president on Tuesday.

The reason it is taking Ecuador so long to decide is because apart from letters and petitions from activists it is receiving a list of ultimatums and threats from the United States, Sibel Edmonds, the founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, told RT. “The State Department is giving Ecuador plenty to think about by showing what kind of consequences they will be facing, whether it’s economical, whether it’s political.”

Julian Assange said that he sought protection from the Ecuadorian government because he had been abandoned by Canberra.

The Australian government disputes this, arguing that they are powerless to intervene as he has broken no Australian laws.

Asssange has maintained throughout the drawn-out trial that the allegations set against him are depthless and politically-motivated

http://www.rt.com/news/assange-police-letter-extradition-987/

I dont believe the yanks arent interested. Somebody put pressure on to get those stupid sex charges set up.

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Wikileaks will carry on despite crackdown on whistleblowers - spokesman

A systematic crackdown on whistleblowers worldwide will not prevent Wikileaks from exposing illegalities and corruption, press spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson told RT. The project is to open an anonymous drop-box and is calling for more evidence.

­However unpredictable the future of Wikileaks, the project has never exposed its informers and is open to cooperation with anyone not afraid of blowing a whistle, Hrafnsson says.

See the interview here:

http://www.rt.com/news/wikileaks-assange-work-hrafnsson-348/

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

I dont believe the yanks arent interested. Somebody put pressure on to get those stupid sex charges set up. SOB

SEXPIONAGE, It seems a popular ploy across Europe too if they want to get rid of a pesky person, see  Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

It's the oldest KGB trick in the book.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 29^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 6:36pm: I dont believe the yanks arent interested. Somebody put pressure on to get those stupid sex charges set up. SOB SEXPIONAGE, It seems a popular ploy across Europe too if they want to get rid of a pesky person, see  Dominique Strauss-Kahn. It's the oldest KGB trick in the book.

Yeah he is looking @ some nasty days ahead anyway imo. Even in ecuador he may have some problems because im sure the yanks can pay for some troubles there.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 30^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 6:47pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 6:36pm: I dont believe the yanks arent interested. Somebody put pressure on to get those stupid sex charges set up. SOB SEXPIONAGE, It seems a popular ploy across Europe too if they want to get rid of a pesky person, see  Dominique Strauss-Kahn. It's the oldest KGB trick in the book. Yeah he is looking @ some nasty days ahead anyway imo. Even in ecuador he may have some problems because im sure the yanks can pay for some troubles there. SOB

Yeah, they had trouble finding Bin Laden, but he blended in, Assange will stick out like a sore thumb. Maybe from Ecuador he can move on to somewhere safer. I thought Russia would have been ideal, but even Putin's too close to the west for comfort. I wouldn't trust him.

From Wikileaks Facebook forum.

http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,12315.0.html
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Wikileaks chief press spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson and RT’s correspondent Sara Firth in front of the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

While the world anticipates the next dramatic twist in Julian Assange’s legal saga, a WikiLeaks press spokesman told RT about the mood inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where Assange is seeking political asylum.

RT: You’ve just been inside and met with Julian Assange. How is he feeling about all of this?

Kristinn Hrafnsson: Well, he is in a good spirits, as always. He is certain he is taking the right move.

RT: It was a dramatic step and very unexpected for a lot of people. Were you aware of what was going on?

KH: I can’t really comment on that. But nothing surprises me anymore in this world.

RT: And how is the mood inside? Is there any sense of what decision is going to be from Ecuador’s government?

KH: Well, you know that he has a lot of goodwill within the Ecuadorian government and the Ecuadorian people. There is a lot of support in Latin America in general. People have actually been on the streets in support of WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks' revelations have done a lot of good in Latin America and in Ecuador as well. But the outcome is uncertain and it will just take days for that to be revealed.

RT: Do you think Assange felt like he was pushed into a corner because, obviously, a lot of legal options have been exhausted?

KH: The legal options here in the UK are exhausted. And it is of course very serious that in a very uncompromising manner the Swedish prosecutor has stated that he would be put into prison, into isolation, upon arrival in Sweden – even though he has not been charged with anything, and is only wanted for questioning. Questioning he has been asked into for a year and a half. He actually has wanted to be questioned. He, I believe, offered the prosecutor to come over here to the embassy to question him.

The more serious question on hand, of course, is the looming threat of extradition from Sweden to the United States. We know that the secret grand jury has been in operation for more than a year and a half gathering information, in a clear attempt to indict Julian and possibly all those in WikiLeaks.

And we have an indication that a sealed indictment is already in place but that is unconfirmed.

RT: Julian has always maintained that this is politically motivated, the case that has been brought against him. You work for WikiLeaks now. How did this affect WikiLeaks?

KH: Julian has been under house arrest for now more than one and a half years. WikiLeaks has continued. But of course the situation has affected WikiLeaks. One of many obstacles that we have to face and fight is the banking blockade for example, where we have a court case, the first of many.

But we have continued and it is extraordinary, of course that despite the house arrest Julian has continued to work and lead the work of WikiLeaks, and will from these new premises while he stays here as well.

RT: There has been a bit of criticism about the fact that breaking the bail conditions means the there has been a lot of money lost that people put up for him. Has he mentioned anything about that?

KH: As far as I know, there is no certainty that the bail money is lost. That is up to some legal interpretation which I am not expert in. But the bail money is not lost, as far as I know, yet.

Well ecuador knows whats going on. If they agree to protect him they may have a bit of a job on their hands.

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I just nominated Julian Assange for Australian of the Year 2012. At least I have a valid address for him this year.

I know that this award is not worth the paper it's printed on, so it's all in fun. He gets a pretty nomination certificate from the country that abandoned him to show his Ecuadorian friends.

What more could an Aussie asylum seeker wish for?

This is a seriously good move by Assange.

It's a shame we don't have a legal eagle of the likes of  Garzon to keep our degenerate pollies on the straight and narrow.
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WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has hired Spanish jurist Baltasar Garzon as a legal adviser as he seeks political asylum in Ecuador, the Andean country's foreign minister, Ricardo Patino, said on Tuesday.

Assange has been taking refuge in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London since June 19. The Australian anti-secrecy campaigner, who enraged Washington in 2010 when his WikiLeaks website published secret U.S. diplomatic cables, is wanted for questioning in Sweden over sex crime allegations.

Assange broke his bail terms and requested asylum in Ecuador. He denies any wrongdoing in Sweden and says he fears that if extradited there, he could be sent on to the United States, where he believes he could face criminal charges punishable by death.

The Ecuadorean government has said it will take as long as needed to make a thorough analysis of Assange's asylum application before making a decision.

"Mr. Assange has requested the services of lawyer Baltasar Garzon to deal with his case. ... Of course he has the right to hire and look for the legal advice that he needs or may need for the asylum request," Patino told reporters in Quito.

Human rights investigator Garzon is best known for ordering the arrest of former Chilean military leader Augusto Pinochet in 1998.

For three decades, Garzon has made a career of tackling the most complex and controversial of cases, winning notoriety as well as a clutch of powerful enemies in Spain's ruling class. Politicians across the spectrum have been implicated or targeted in his investigations over the years.

He also stirred up controversy with an attempt to order an investigation into the killing of tens of thousands of civilians during the dictatorship of General Francisco Franco, who died in 1975.

Patino said he welcomed Garzon's involvement in the Assange case because the Ecuadorean government had "a very good relationship" with the jurist. Garzon is part of an international panel that was set up to oversee the ongoing judicial overhaul in the OPEC-member country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/25/us-ecuador-assange-garzon-idUSBRE86O05G20120725

Im not so sure ecuador can protect him anyway.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

Im not so sure ecuador can protect him anyway. SOB

I'm not so sure anyone can protect him, he will be forever looking over his shoulder. Although the yanks took ten years to find Bin Laden who was sitting at home in his lounge room (so they say) and they're the only ones who really want him.

The National Australia Day Council are happy that I nominate Julian. It makes my heart swell with pride that we have such an outstanding citizen that we can call Australian.
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