Strike Me Lucky (1934)

The Holocaust made vaudeville star Roy Rene’s Jewish caricatures unacceptable in later years, but this wasn’t the case in 1934.

There is a short clip of it here:

http://aso.gov.au/titles/features/strike-me-lucky/clip1/




http://www.stagewhispers.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox/ReneRoy2NAA.jpg\

http://media1.aso.gov.au/titles/strikeme/strikeme1__jpg_240x180_crop_q85.jpg

Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Jewish_holocaust_museum_elsternwick.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_jPLh0HLfTrA/S-J7YPpV-2I/AAAAAAAByn0/s1f-lPbqxYo/IMG_0015.JPG

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:26am:

Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was.

Haha I wana go there and ask them some questions that they cant answer

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Danby-Carr-285x250.jpg

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:30am:

falah wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:26am: Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was. Haha I wana go there and ask them some questions that they cant answer

yeah I am sure an anti-semite, full of racial hatred like yourself would find it hilarious.

Maybe you could crack some jokes about people being lined up and gassed.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 10:26am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:30am: falah wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:26am: Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was. Haha I wana go there and ask them some questions that they cant answer yeah I am sure an anti-semite, full of racial hatred like yourself would find it hilarious. Maybe you could crack some jokes about people being lined up and gassed.

But if they took it seriously wouldn't they be honest about it?
Its one thing to commit something like the holocaust, its another thing altogether to use something like the holocaust to justify doing it yourself.

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:26am:

Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was.

It must have been quite traumatic for you to see that as a child, Falah.

Were you sad?

Jews are good, Jews are bad!

LOL

The family behind us are a bunch of Jews and they're the nicest people in the street!

The Mums a total biatch but I think she realises I have a problem with women in general!!

It really isnt' because she's a jew if I were to be honest.

THEN THERE ARE THE *UNT JEWS,... BUT SO WHAT: WE'RE ALL *UNTS IF WE WANT TO BE!!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 4:08pm:

The Mums a total biatch but I think she realises I have a problem in general!!

Yeah, we know that.  ;D

falah wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 9:26am:

Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was.

I have been to the one in DC, twice I think. It certainly made an impression.


Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 12:12pm:

falah wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:26am: Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was. It must have been quite traumatic for you to see that as a child, Falah. Were you sad?

I think he used it to develop his plan to assimilating the Shites. Look for his next thesis "Mein Jihad".

Abe Saffron the father of Oxford st

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Saffron

SOB

freediver wrote on May 31^st, 2012 at 7:11pm:

falah wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:26am: Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was. I have been to the one in DC, twice I think. It certainly made an impression. Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 12:12pm: falah wrote on May 31st, 2012 at 9:26am: Anyone else forced to go to the Holocaust Museum as a school student? I was. It must have been quite traumatic for you to see that as a child, Falah. Were you sad? I think he used it to develop his plan to assimilating the Shites. Look for his next thesis "Mein Jihad".

No Freediver, my religion says I am not allowed to imitate disbelievers. Pogroms, holocausts and genocide are for the Catholics and Communists

So what is the correct Islamic term for your plans for the Shites? Mercy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6VEJKd1aA

John Monash was a Yahud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:09pm:

John Monash was a Yahud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash

You mean the genius in charge of the Gallipoli disaster? How many Australians died under his command?


Here are some more:

Frank Lowy
Joseph Gutnick
Richard Pratt
Harry Triguboff
Solomon Lew
Maurice Alter
Ivan Glasenberg
John Gandel

Forbes publishes Australia’s richest
http://www.jwire.com.au/business/forbes-publishes-australias-richest/7769

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/bolter-claims-rich-list-spot/21206

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-20-Richest-People-in-Australia&id=3341915


What do you know? They make up 5 of the top 8 wealthest people in Australia these days. All honest money?



Quote:

Corruption behind Pratt wealth: report Bribery and corruption, systematic tax evasion and currying political favour helped build the cardboard empire of billionaire Richard Pratt, who died last year, according to The Sunday Age. The newspaper says its investigations found that Pratt, a big donor to political parties whose wealth was valued at around $5.2 billion when he died of prostate cancer, was an aggressive pursuer of political favour. The paper says it has unearthed allegations that the cardboard box cartel with Amcor, for which Pratt was fined $36 million, actually started a decade earlier than previously believed, ripping a potential $2 billion out of the Australian economy. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/corruption-behind-pratt-wealth-report-20100725-10q1u.html

falah wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 3:09pm: John Monash was a Yahud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash You mean the genius in charge of the Gallipoli disaster? How many Australians died under his command? Here are some more: Frank Lowy Joseph Gutnick Richard Pratt Harry Triguboff Solomon Lew Maurice Alter Ivan Glasenberg John Gandel Forbes publishes Australia’s richest http://www.jwire.com.au/business/forbes-publishes-australias-richest/7769 http://www.jewishnews.net.au/bolter-claims-rich-list-spot/21206 http://ezinearticles.com/?The-20-Richest-People-in-Australia&id=3341915 What do you know? They make up 5 of the top 8 wealthest people in Australia these days. All honest money? Quote: Corruption behind Pratt wealth: report Bribery and corruption, systematic tax evasion and currying political favour helped build the cardboard empire of billionaire Richard Pratt, who died last year, according to The Sunday Age. The newspaper says its investigations found that Pratt, a big donor to political parties whose wealth was valued at around $5.2 billion when he died of prostate cancer, was an aggressive pursuer of political favour. The paper says it has unearthed allegations that the cardboard box cartel with Amcor, for which Pratt was fined $36 million, actually started a decade earlier than previously believed, ripping a potential $2 billion out of the Australian economy. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/corruption-behind-pratt-wealth-report-20100725-10q1u.html

Australians fought under the Union Jack at Gallipoli that very flag is in the Roseville RSL, the flag we were fighting under might hint at who was in charge.

The Pommy General Haig was in charge of Aussie troops on the western front, he ordered a slow march into machinegun fire at Fromelle.

When General Monash took over Aussies kicked ass on the western front, the French built a statue of an Aussie digger bayoneting a german eagle, Hitler destroyed it in WW2 he found it offensive.

Frank Lowy is the man who gave us Westfield shopping centres along with a pretty good return for those with westfield shares.
If you hate jews you should avoid the westfield shopping centres.

The Jews live in the wealthy Eastern suburbs, the muslims inhabit the shitholes out west, even John Ibrahim a sunni muslim prefers to live with the jews in the Eastern suburbs over the drive by shooting land his family lives in out west

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rBCst4hph0&sns=em

This topic is offensive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=244Str11YNA

http://img.jspace.com/530050_280334228722664_156621957760559_628016_130310399_n-jpeg-m-57618.jpg

How would you like me to post offensive pictures of Australia and its leadership??

http://truthaholics.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/zionism-stop.jpg

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 10:39am:

How would you like me to post offensive pictures of Australia and its leadership??

Start a new thread.

What is wrong with having a look at how Jews are portrayed in our popular culture? The material might be racist but the discussion should not be off limits.

Israel and its war crimes are a part of modern popular culture

http://palestinianfieldnegro.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/israel__criticism_not_allowed_by_latuff2.jpg

Israel accepts criticism and many times has listened to it.
But a lot of this is from anti-semitism and racism.

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Let this be your lesson in why Israel has as strong will as it does.

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Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 10:56am:

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You only care about the Jews killed by the Nazies..not the millions of others?

http://jdlcanada.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/york-hate-cartoon-21.jpg

From this -

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To this -

אנחנו לא יוצאים לך מאחורי

" We never leave you behind "

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I kinda wonder why the hard line ultra nationalist Jews forget that the Nazis murdered and tortured millions of innocent people..most of who were not Jewish
The Holocaust and the treatment of the Jewish people throughout Europe at the time was a disgrace but it does not excuse the ultra nationalist Jewish movements equally appalling behaviour in the Middle East post WW2.
Why are the ultra nationalist Jews taking out their revenge for the holocaust on the Arab people?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:08am:

To this - אנחנו לא יוצאים לך מאחורי " We never leave you behind "

Two people of European descent in the Middle East claiming ownership of Arab land..kinda funny if u ask me

"ultra nationalist"
????


Most Israelis just want one country and to live in peace.

Like me, I do not want more settlements and to have peace with everyone but we will never allow attacks to be not answered.

The ultra that you talk of is so a small minority that they do not be listened.

There is more Arab Israelis that ultra nationals.

You forget this I think.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:13am:

"ultra nationalist" ???? Most Israelis just want one country and to live in peace. Like me, I do not want more settlements and to have peace with everyone but we will never allow attacks to be not answered. The ultra that you talk of is so a small minority that they do not be listened. There is more Arab Israelis that ultra nationals. You forget this I think.

War crimes are war crimes no matter who the perpetrator is

Is attacking a country 4 times - including during Yom Kippur - a war crime?

WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee.

but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad.

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nairbe wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:15pm:

WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad.

Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:29pm:

nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago

Why do you have non white Muslims in your country?
I see them everywhere. I can hear their arabic too.

Should they leave too?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:36pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:29pm: nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago Why do you have non white Muslims in your country? I see them everywhere. I can hear their arabic too. Should they leave too?

I don't expect the Jewish people to move from modern Israel now they are there. I just expect them to stop stealing more land and persecuting the Arab people that have been there for thousands of years..
The idea of a Jewish homeland in post WW2 Germany is well past its used by date but the idea of peace and fair pre colonial borders all over the Middle East (Not just Israel) should be high on the UN's list.
Im not anti Jewish..Im anti colonialist

Quote:

but the idea of peace and fair pre colonial borders

Can you elaborate on these borders?

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 5:29pm:

nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago

That is a historical fact and accepted evidence. does not mean the settlements were accepted then either. I also question you knowledge of Ben if you think he would consider this thread to be any more than disgusting.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 11:13am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 11:08am: To this - אנחנו לא יוצאים לך מאחורי " We never leave you behind " Two people of European descent in the Middle East claiming ownership of Arab land..kinda funny if u ask me

Arabs back to Arabia!

The Middle East is not Arabic, except by conquest.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 6:03pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:36pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:29pm: nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago Why do you have non white Muslims in your country? I see them everywhere. I can hear their arabic too. Should they leave too? I don't expect the Jewish people to move from modern Israel now they are there. I just expect them to stop stealing more land and persecuting the Arab people that have been there for thousands of years.. The idea of a Jewish homeland in post WW2 Germany is well past its used by date but the idea of peace and fair pre colonial borders all over the Middle East (Not just Israel) should be high on the UN's list. Im not anti Jewish..Im anti colonialist

How about - Arabs, bugger off back to Araby?  All 'Arab' lands outside Araby are stolen lands.


Let them bugger off back to Araby before they can demand that the Jews go back to where they came from.

You should go along with that.

Not a bad place for old boys too, dear chap. Nice weather, low taxes, cheap help.

You might consider a nice pensione in Dubai. Anyone who's anyone is retiring there these days, dear boy. They tell me Araby's all the rage for seniors of delayed, you know, functioning. They say the health care is marvellous. As is the psychiatric care. So I'm told.

Might be worth a little look-see.

Soren wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2012 at 9:05pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 6:03pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:36pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:29pm: nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago Why do you have non white Muslims in your country? I see them everywhere. I can hear their arabic too. Should they leave too? I don't expect the Jewish people to move from modern Israel now they are there. I just expect them to stop stealing more land and persecuting the Arab people that have been there for thousands of years.. The idea of a Jewish homeland in post WW2 Germany is well past its used by date but the idea of peace and fair pre colonial borders all over the Middle East (Not just Israel) should be high on the UN's list. Im not anti Jewish..Im anti colonialist How about - Arabs, bugger off back to Araby?  All 'Arab' lands outside Araby are stolen lands. Let them bugger off back to Araby before they can demand that the Jews go back to where they came from. You should go along with that.

Beyond extremely week and base bigotry. You are an embarrassment to you country. It is the immigrants that built the country you moron, and it is the current generations that will right the wrongs done to the indigenous owners of the country. People like you live in a fantasy that does not and has never existed.

Consider who was in Palestine when the Israelits arrived. It was diverse and the Israelits have never accepted that diversity, only their superiority. That is what must change, the superiority complex of a slave race.

nairbe wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 9:05pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 6:03pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:36pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:29pm: nairbe wrote on Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm: WOW i read the headline and the first thing i thought of was Ben Lee. but some how all i find is ignorance and hate. very sad. Ben Lee would agree with me...Europeans did not settle the Arab lands more than 2000 yrs ago Why do you have non white Muslims in your country? I see them everywhere. I can hear their arabic too. Should they leave too? I don't expect the Jewish people to move from modern Israel now they are there. I just expect them to stop stealing more land and persecuting the Arab people that have been there for thousands of years.. The idea of a Jewish homeland in post WW2 Germany is well past its used by date but the idea of peace and fair pre colonial borders all over the Middle East (Not just Israel) should be high on the UN's list. Im not anti Jewish..Im anti colonialist How about - Arabs, bugger off back to Araby?  All 'Arab' lands outside Araby are stolen lands. Let them bugger off back to Araby before they can demand that the Jews go back to where they came from. You should go along with that. Beyond extremely week and base bigotry. You are an embarrassment to you country. It is the immigrants that built the country you moron, and it is the current generations that will right the wrongs done to the indigenous owners of the country. People like you live in a fantasy that does not and has never existed. Consider who was in Palestine when the Israelits arrived. It was diverse and the Israelits have never accepted that diversity, only their superiority. That is what must change, the superiority complex of a slave race.

Who were in Israel before the Muslims arrived?

Soren wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

Who were in Israel before the Muslims arrived?

There was no Israel when Muslims arrived. There was only Palestine.


Muslims liberated the Palestinians from the oppressive Byzantine regime.

The poor Palestinians were taxed to the hilt by the Byzantines oppressors.

falah wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:36pm: Who were in Israel before the Muslims arrived? There was no Israel when Muslims arrived. There was only Palestine. Muslims liberated the Palestinians from the oppressive Byzantine regime. The poor Palestinians were taxed to the hilt by the Byzantines oppressors.

Cool. The Jews liberated the other Jews in Palestine from the oppressive Muslims and created Israel.

What's your problem?

Soren wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

falah wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:36pm: Who were in Israel before the Muslims arrived? There was no Israel when Muslims arrived. There was only Palestine. Muslims liberated the Palestinians from the oppressive Byzantine regime. The poor Palestinians were taxed to the hilt by the Byzantines oppressors. Cool. The Jews liberated the other Jews in Palestine from the oppressive Muslims and created Israel. What's your problem?

Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. The European Jew invaders are just land thieves.

Muslims did not steal land in Palestine, Jews did.

Quote:

Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. The European Jew invaders are just land thieves.

Can you elaborate on 'hardly any'?

I do worry about European Jews who are whiter than snow claiming their ancestors came from Israel when its obvious their ancestors came from the same cave my ancestors crawled out of in Northern Europe.

freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Quote: Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. The European Jew invaders are just land thieves. Can you elaborate on 'hardly any'?

About 10,000 Jews lived in Palestine out of a population of 600,000.

Split turns bitter as billionaire's son publicly hits out at wife after affair with rapper

http://images.watoday.com.au/2012/06/06/3353554/art-goldsmith1-420x0.jpg

The son of the billionaire financier Sir James Goldsmith has accused his estranged wife of caring more about her image than their "devastated children" as a split between two of Britain's most illustrious families turned increasingly bitter.

Ben Goldsmith, a millionaire green investor, took to the social networking website Twitter to declare that it was "a bit late" for Kate Rothschild to "fix her reputation", and posted a link to a story detailing her affair with an American rapper.

His outburst came as pictures emerged of the family home in west London, which went on the market just before their final separation for £20 million.

Mr Goldsmith, 31, and his wife, 29, a member of the Rothschild banking dynasty, met as teenagers and married in 2003...

Their marriage ran into difficulties earlier this year, amid claims that Mrs Goldsmith was leading an "increasingly nocturnal" lifestyle since she went into the music industry with a company called Roundtable Records.

She had an affair with the rapper Jay Electronica during a trial separation from her husband, and although they were reconciled the marriage ended last week.

http://images.watoday.com.au/2012/06/06/3353556/art-jayelectronica-420x0.jpg
Jay Electronica ... had an affair with Kate Rothschild.

Mr Goldsmith claimed to have discovered incriminating messages on his wife's phone and was arrested and cautioned after slapping her and injuring her leg with a child's toy during a showdown at their home last Wednesday.

Details of their split first appeared in British newspapers on Sunday while Mr Goldsmith was on holiday in Italy with his children and his mother, Lady Annabel, prompting his estranged wife to issue a statement...

http://images.watoday.com.au/2012/06/06/3353553/art-goldsmith3-420x0.jpg

Mrs Goldsmith also said she was "devastated" and that "her main concern now is for her children".

Yesterday, Mr Goldsmith used his Twitter account to reply.

In a message to his 6000 followers, he wrote: "@kateroundtable has hired Project Associates Ltd to fix her reputation (bit late surely?). How about focusing on her devastated children?"../

News of the sale of the couple's home in Kensington also emerged on Monday. Built in 1860 and described as a "unique" villa, it has more than 5600 sq ft of living space spread across four floors, as well as solid oak flooring, a summer house and large garden.

Earlier this year it had been claimed that the couple were hoping to make a private sale, but now the house is being advertised by two estate agents.

Meanwhile, Electronica, who was born Timothy Elpadaro Thedford, returned to Britain from Los Angeles on Monday. He declared on Twitter that "love is on the way"...

http://www.watoday.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/split-turns-bitter-as-billionaires-son-publicly-hits-out-at-wife-after-affair-with-rapper-20120606-1zvme.html

falah wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 3:30pm: falah wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:25pm: Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:36pm: Who were in Israel before the Muslims arrived? There was no Israel when Muslims arrived. There was only Palestine. Muslims liberated the Palestinians from the oppressive Byzantine regime. The poor Palestinians were taxed to the hilt by the Byzantines oppressors. Cool. The Jews liberated the other Jews in Palestine from the oppressive Muslims and created Israel. What's your problem? Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine.

Before the Muslims 'liberated' Palestine from the Byzantines, there were NO Muslims there. 'Hardly' any' is still a whole lot more than none.

SO what's your point?

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

I do worry about European Jews who are whiter than snow claiming their ancestors came from Israel when its obvious their ancestors came from the same cave my ancestors crawled out of in Northern Europe.

Good to see you bvggers are racists, too.

adelcrow do you actually know anything about the population genetics of the european jews (no)

and your statement in itself, regardless of what the actual facts are, is retarded anyway

look at how it could be twisted to demonstrate its absurdity:


Quote:

I do worry about Europeans who are whiter than snow claiming their ancestors came from Africa when its obvious their ancestors came from the same cave my ancestors crawled out of in Northern Europe.

double post

Soren wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 9:08am:

falah wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:35pm: Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. Before the Muslims 'liberated' Palestine from the Byzantines, there were NO Muslims there. 'Hardly' any' is still a whole lot more than none. SO what's your point?

The Muslims did not steal land and force people to leave. The Jews did.

falah wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:08am: falah wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:35pm: Before WWI there were hardly any Jews in Palestine. Before the Muslims 'liberated' Palestine from the Byzantines, there were NO Muslims there. 'Hardly' any' is still a whole lot more than none. SO what's your point? The Muslims did not steal land and force people to leave. The Jews did.

No the Muslims attacked 4 different times, got beaten back because they are cowards and then they cry to the UN because they lost the land from attacking us.

Don't talk to me about Muslims. Cowards and thieves.

falah wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

The Muslims did not steal land and force people to leave.

Not for lack of trying hey Falah - only due to cowardice and incompetence....

It's surprising how often Muslims attempt to credit the inability of Muslims to get away with this sort of thing as some kind of moral high ground.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:00pm: The Muslims did not steal land and force people to leave. Not for lack of trying hey Falah - only due to cowardice and incompetence.... It's surprising how often Muslims attempt to credit the inability of Muslims to get away with this sort of thing as some kind of moral high ground.

Unlike the Zionist Jews, Muslims do not want to steal land. Muslims just want their own land back.

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:24am:

freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:34pm: falah wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:00pm: The Muslims did not steal land and force people to leave. Not for lack of trying hey Falah - only due to cowardice and incompetence.... It's surprising how often Muslims attempt to credit the inability of Muslims to get away with this sort of thing as some kind of moral high ground. Unlike the Zionist Jews, Muslims do not want to steal land. Muslims just want their own land back.

how did Muslims get that land? By conquest - sorry!!- by liberation.

So now the Jews have liberated the land. Why bellyache about it?? Share the opportunity to liberate. Don't hog it. Let others have a go. Only fair. After all, isn't Islam the religion of Fair?
Or was it fear? I forget.

US government betrayed Americans by covering up USS liberty attack

Israel attacked USS Liberty with torpedoes in the Mediterranean 45 years ago, killing 34 and injuring 174 others, but the incident was covered up by the US government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D-Ep7oBE-4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWyjykrLbvU

Press TV has interviewed Franklin Lamb, international lawyer from Beirut on the 45th anniversary of the cover up of the purposeful attack by Israel on USS Liberty. What follows is an approximate transcript of the interview.

Press TV: There are calls still for a thorough investigation after 45 years. And still those who survived that attack saying that they are disappointed, that they want to see this case being investigated. What has stopped that thorough probe into what actually happened?

Lamb: Yes. First I just want to point out that the survivors who have followed this story and published ample material over the last 45 years know this subject best and I think their accounts are very credible.

Of course the reason why Linden Johnson and Admiral McCain, the father of John McCain, put the lid on this was the relationship between the Zionist lobby and the American government, which during these 45 years has only become stronger.

    So I think the reason why these sailors have been betrayed and their families have been betrayed by their own government goes to the core of the relationship between Israel and the US government that continues and if anything, as your report suggested, has deepened.



The survivors are absolutely right in their courageous work that they've been doing. I've corresponded with three of them over the past few years. They are American heroes who have been betrayed by their government and there must be an investigation and it's up to every American to demand that investigation and let the chips fall where they may.

There is plenty of evidence that is classified that needs to be released and then let the facts follow where they may and then let the American public make the judgment on this issue.

It's a cover up - a classic cover up that betrays the American people.

Press TV: One of the accusations raised here is that some of the survivors say that Israel meant this attack to look like it was an Arab nation who attacked the US ship.

If we consider that allegation correct or if we consider it not correct, the question still remains - Was the US aware that this attack was going to happen, meaning the US government, before it happened or did it just participate in covering it up?

Lamb: I have no knowledge of the knowledge of the US government as they've put the lid on this tightly of what occurred before the attack. But again, the evidence, and the best evidence is the accounts of the survivors and other analysts make it pretty plain that it was intended by the Zionists to present to the Americans, to present to President Johnson, evidence that in fact Egypt had attacked that ship.

And they got away with that for a while. Finally that was exposed and then the Americans made the political - purely political - decision to cover it up. And that ignoble act has last till this day.

I think there are no questions what the facts are on that subject and again we salute on this 45th anniversary of the families of those who gave their life in the service of their country and the courageous men who are now being marginalized every day by their own government in order to preserve the pressure of the Zionist regime and its control over our government.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/06/08/245202/us-covered-up-israel-attack-on-uss-liberty/

according to a tv documentary i saw a couple of years ago the Italian jews tried to do a deal with hitler in exchange for a jewish state.

British PM admits leaving daughter in pub

Britain's prime minister David Cameron has admitted accidentally leaving his eight-year-old daughter in a pub.

A couple of months ago, Mr Cameron and his wife Samantha were lunching at the Plough Inn in Buckinghamshire, near their country residence Chequers.

When they left in separate cars, the PM thought eight-year-old Nancy was with her mum.

But Samantha Cameron thought the girl was with Mr Cameron.

Nancy spent 15 minutes with the hotel staff wondering where her family was.

Talkback callers have joked the incident makes Mr Cameron more human.

Communities secretary Eric Pickles was promoting a scheme overnight to help councils deal with troubled families.

Asked if he drew parallels between them and parents who left their children in a pub, he said: "We're definitely not talking about that, mainly for my job security".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-12/david-cameron-admits-leaving-daughter-in-pub/4065016

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 12:24am:

Unlike the Zionist Jews, Muslims do not want to steal land. Muslims just want their own land back.

You already have Saudi Arabia which is more than what you started with.

So give all the land you stole back kaffir!

Someone need stop open a window.  Smell's racist as f*ck up in this peace.

Also, I am more than happy to provide incredibly offensive Jew jokes on request.

A Catholic priest and a rabbi are seated next to one another on a plane. During the flight, the priest says, "Tell me, rabbi, is it still a requirement of the Jewish faith that you do not eat pork?" "That is the case, yes," says the rabbi. "But tell me, did you ever get tempted - did it ever appeal so much that you couldn't resist and decided to see what, say, bacon tasted like?" the priest goes on. "Yes, father, there was one occasion when, as a young man, the smell of bacon became too much of a temptation and I tasted it," the rabbi admits. "And how did you find it?" asks the priest. "Well, says the rabbi, "Since we are both men of God and being honest with one another, I must confess it was excellent. I enjoyed it very much. But I never ate it ever again." The priest sits back, looking smug. Later during the flight, the rabbi says to the priest, "Tell me, father - is it still a requirement of your own faith that you do not have sexual intercourse?" "Why yes," says the priest, "That is indeed true." "But were you ever tempted, even once, to see what sexual intercourse is like?" the rabbi continues. "Well, as you were so honest with me, I must confess that indeed, once, when I was a young man, I did have sexual intercourse with a woman," the priest tells him. "Beats the hell out of a bacon sandwich, doesn't it?" says the rabbi.

Adamant wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

falah wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 12:24am: Unlike the Zionist Jews, Muslims do not want to steal land. Muslims just want their own land back. You already have Saudi Arabia which is more than what you started with. So give all the land you stole back kaffir!

Abu and Falah want to forcibly mass migrate the Jews out of Israel. They are a bit vague about where to. Obviously if muslims do it then it is not stealing, by definition, which proves that Muslims don't want to steal land.

:D

The mullah, the priest and the rabbi walk into the pub.
The bartender looks up and says, 'Hey, what's this? Some sort of joke??"

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2012 at 9:46pm:

Abu and Falah want to forcibly mass migrate the Jews out of Israel. They are a bit vague about where to. Obviously if muslims do it then it is not stealing, by definition, which proves that Muslims don't want to steal land. :D

I can't believe somebody who lies so blatantly would really want to start up a political party...oh wait a second, that does make sense.

You will make an expert politician Freeliar.

falah wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12th, 2012 at 9:46pm: Abu and Falah want to forcibly mass migrate the Jews out of Israel. They are a bit vague about where to. Obviously if muslims do it then it is not stealing, by definition, which proves that Muslims don't want to steal land. :D I can't believe somebody who lies so blatantly would really want to start up a political party...oh wait a second, that does make sense.

At least Allah gives you permission to tell lies falah..

The shia are free to tell lies according to Abu, they call this doctrine Taqiyya.

The sunni are only allowed to lie in 3 circumstances-
To your wife
In times of war - The west is considered Dar al harb or land of war so allah allows you to tell lies.
To reconcile 2 or more parties.

You are a hypocrite falah

Disbelievers lie all the time. Muslims who fear God Almighty have been commanded not to lie.



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What is the importance of being truthful, both in personal and business relationships, in Islam? Is lying ever considered and "acceptable" action? Praise be to God Being truthful means speaking the truth and also saying things that reflect reality. Being truthful is one of the necessities of a human society, one of the virtues of human behaviour, and brings great benefits, whilst lying is one of the major elements of corruption in human society, and the cause of the destruction of social structure and ties, one of the most evil features of bad conduct, and causes widespread harm. Hence Islam commanded truthfulness and forbade lying. God says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Be afraid of God, and be with those who are true (in word and deeds).” [al-Tawbah 9:119] Ibn Katheer said (2/414): “It means: be truthful and adhere to truthfulness, and you will be among its people and will be saved from calamity, and this will make a way out for you from your problems.” God says (interpretation of the meaning): “… if they had been true to God, it would have been better for them.” [Muhammad 47:21] Abdullah ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: ‘You must be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with God as speaker of the truth. Beware of telling lies, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and striving to tell lies until he is recorded with God as a liar.” (Reported by Muslim, 4721) This hadeeth indicates that truthfulness leads to righteousness, an all-embracing concept that includes all kinds of goodness and different kinds of righteous deeds. Immorality is basically an inclination towards deviation from the truth, and the immoral person is one who is inclined to turn away from the path of guidance. Hence immorality and righteousness are diametrically opposed. Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said: “I memorized from the Messenger of God: ‘Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt, for truthfulness is certainty and tranquillity, whilst lying is doubt and confusion.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2520; al-Nisaa'i, 8/327; and Ahmad, 1/200) In the lengthy hadeeth of Abu Sufyaan describing his meeting with Heraclius, Abu Sufyaan said: “[Heraclius] said, ‘What does he [meaning the Prophet]command you to do?’ I said, ‘He says: worship God alone and do not associate anything in worship with Him, and abandon that which your forefathers did. He commands us to pray, to be truthful, to be chaste and to uphold the ties of kinship.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 1/30 and Muslim, 1773). Hakeem ibn Hizaam reported that the Prophet said: “Two parties to a deal have the option of changing their minds until they part; if they are open and honest, their deal will be blessed, and if they conceal and tell lies, the blessing of their deal will be diminished.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4/275 and Muslim, 1532.) Truthfulness includes being truthful towards God by worshipping Him sincerely; being truthful towards one’s own soul by making it adhere to the laws of God; and being truthful with people in one's words and by keeping one's promises, and in dealings such as buying, selling and marriage, so there should be no deceiving, cheating, falsifying or withholding of information. Thus a person should be the same on the inside and the outside. As regards lying, it is highly forbidden, and is of varying degrees of abhorrence and sin. The most obnoxious form of lying is falsely attributing things to God and His Messenger, because this involves fabrication about the religion and is an act of outrage against God. Hence one of the characteristics of the Prophet is that he truthfully conveyed that which God commanded him to convey. So Godsaid (interpretation of the meanings): “… who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against God, to lead mankind astray without knowledge. Certainly God guides not the people who are oppressive wrongdoers (against themselves)” [al-An’am 6:144] “And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against God? Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, ‘These are the ones who lied against their Lord!’ No doubt! The curse of God is on the oppressive wrongdoers.” [Hood 11:18] Equally bad is lying about the Prophet, as he is reported to have said in the mutawaatir hadeeth: “Whoever lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” (Agreed upon by Bukahri and Muslim). The basic rule with regard to lying is that it is not permitted, but there are certain circumstances in which Islam permits lying to serve a greater purpose or to prevent harm. One of these situations is when a person mediates between two disputing parties in order to reconcile between them, if reconciliation cannot be achieved in any other way. Um Kalthoom  reported that the Prophet said: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people and conveys something good or says something good.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 2495). Another example is a man’s speaking to his wife, or a woman speaking to her husband, with regard to matters that will strengthen the ties of love between them, even if that is accompanied by exaggeration. Asma’ bint Yazeed said: “The Messenger of God said: ‘Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man’s speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying at times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 1862; he said: it is a good hadeeth. See also Saheeh Muslim, 4717). One of the most important forms of both being truthful and lying is in the area of promises and covenants. Being truthful in promises and covenants is one of the characteristics by which the believers are known. Both promises and covenants involve saying something about an issue to confirm that you will do it, especially with regard to one's duties towards God. God says, praising some of His slaves (interpretation of the meanings): “Those who are faithfully true to their trusts/obligations and to their covenants.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:8] “… and who fulfil their covenant when they make it…” [al-Baqarah 2:177] “Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with God [i.e., they have gone out for jihad (holy fighting), and showed not their backs to the disbelievers], of them some have fulfilled their obligations (i.e., have been martyred), and some of them are still waiting, but they have never changed [i.e., they never proved treacherous to their covenant which they concluded with God] in the least.” [al-Ahzaab 33:23] We ask God to make us sincere and truthful in word and deed. And God knows best. [from Saudi Islamic scholar Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid]

falah wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13th, 2012 at 12:53pm: The sunni are only allowed to lie in 3 circumstances- To your wife In times of war - The west is considered Dar al harb or land of war so allah allows you to tell lies. To reconcile 2 or more parties. You are a hypocrite falah Disbelievers lie all the time. Muslims who fear God Almighty have been commanded not to lie. Quote: What is the importance of being truthful, both in personal and business relationships, in Islam? Is lying ever considered and "acceptable" action? Praise be to God Being truthful means speaking the truth and also saying things that reflect reality. Being truthful is one of the necessities of a human society, one of the virtues of human behaviour, and brings great benefits, whilst lying is one of the major elements of corruption in human society, and the cause of the destruction of social structure and ties, one of the most evil features of bad conduct, and causes widespread harm. Hence Islam commanded truthfulness and forbade lying. God says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Be afraid of God, and be with those who are true (in word and deeds).” [al-Tawbah 9:119] Ibn Katheer said (2/414): “It means: be truthful and adhere to truthfulness, and you will be among its people and will be saved from calamity, and this will make a way out for you from your problems.” God says (interpretation of the meaning): “… if they had been true to God, it would have been better for them.” [Muhammad 47:21] Abdullah ibn Mas’ood said: “The Messenger of God (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: ‘You must be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man will keep speaking the truth and striving to speak the truth until he will be recorded with God as speaker of the truth. Beware of telling lies, for lying leads to immorality and immorality leads to Hellfire. A man will keep telling lies and striving to tell lies until he is recorded with God as a liar.” (Reported by Muslim, 4721) This hadeeth indicates that truthfulness leads to righteousness, an all-embracing concept that includes all kinds of goodness and different kinds of righteous deeds. Immorality is basically an inclination towards deviation from the truth, and the immoral person is one who is inclined to turn away from the path of guidance. Hence immorality and righteousness are diametrically opposed. Al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib said: “I memorized from the Messenger of God: ‘Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt, for truthfulness is certainty and tranquillity, whilst lying is doubt and confusion[/highlight].” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 2520; al-Nisaa'i, 8/327; and Ahmad, 1/200) In the lengthy hadeeth of Abu Sufyaan describing his meeting with Heraclius, Abu Sufyaan said: “[Heraclius] said, ‘What does he [meaning the Prophet]command you to do?’ I said, ‘He says: worship God alone and do not associate anything in worship with Him, and abandon that which your forefathers did. He commands us to pray, to be truthful[/highlight], to be chaste and to uphold the ties of kinship.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 1/30 and Muslim, 1773). Hakeem ibn Hizaam reported that the Prophet said: “Two parties to a deal have the option of changing their minds until they part; if they are open and honest, their deal will be blessed, and if they conceal and tell lies, the blessing of their deal will be diminished.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4/275 and Muslim, 1532.) Truthfulness includes being truthful towards God by worshipping Him sincerely; being truthful towards one’s own soul by making it adhere to the laws of God; and being truthful with people in one's words and by keeping one's promises, and in dealings such as buying, selling and marriage, so there should be no deceiving, cheating, falsifying or withholding of information. Thus a person should be the same on the inside and the outside. As regards lying, it is highly forbidden, and is of varying degrees of abhorrence and sin. The most obnoxious form of lying is falsely attributing things to God and His Messenger, because this involves fabrication about the religion and is an act of outrage against God. Hence one of the characteristics of the Prophet is that he truthfully conveyed that which God commanded him to convey. So Godsaid (interpretation of the meanings): “… who does more wrong than one who invents a lie against God, to lead mankind astray without knowledge. Certainly God guides not the people who are oppressive wrongdoers (against themselves)” [al-An’am 6:144] “And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against God? Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, ‘These are the ones who lied against their Lord!’ No doubt! The curse of God is on the oppressive wrongdoers.” [Hood 11:18] Equally bad is lying about the Prophet, as he is reported to have said in the mutawaatir hadeeth: “Whoever lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” (Agreed upon by Bukahri and Muslim). The basic rule with regard to lying is that it is not permitted, but there are certain circumstances in which Islam permits lying to serve a greater purpose or to prevent harm. One of these situations is when a person mediates between two disputing parties in order to reconcile between them, if reconciliation cannot be achieved in any other way. Um Kalthoom  reported that the Prophet said: “He is not a liar who reconciles between people and conveys something good or says something good.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 2495). Another example is a man’s speaking to his wife, or a woman speaking to her husband, with regard to matters that will strengthen the ties of love between them, even if that is accompanied by exaggeration. Asma’ bint Yazeed said: “The Messenger of God said: ‘Lying is not permitted except in three cases: a man’s speaking to his wife to make her happy; lying at times of war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 1862; he said: it is a good hadeeth. See also Saheeh Muslim, 4717) One of the most important forms of both being truthful and lying is in the area of promises and covenants. Being truthful in promises and covenants is one of the characteristics by which the believers are known. Both promises and covenants involve saying something about an issue to confirm that you will do it, especially with regard to one's duties towards God. God says, praising some of His slaves (interpretation of the meanings): “Those who are faithfully true to their trusts/obligations and to their covenants.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:8] “… and who fulfil their covenant when they make it…” [al-Baqarah 2:177] “Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with God [i.e., they have gone out for jihad (holy fighting), and showed not their backs to the disbelievers], of them some have fulfilled their obligations (i.e., have been martyred), and some of them are still waiting, but they have never changed [i.e., they never proved treacherous to their covenant which they concluded with God] in the least.” [al-Ahzaab 33:23] We ask God to make us sincere and truthful in word and deed. And God knows best. [from Saudi Islamic scholar Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid]

So what is this greater purpose that allows muslims to tell lies falah, is it to spread Islam?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

The sunni are only allowed to lie in 3 circumstances- To your wife In times of war...

Unlike the disbelievers, Muslims are commanded by God Almighty not to lie.

There is a concession in war. This mean using deceit to win because war is deception. All parties in war use deception to win wars, they use surprise attacks, and intelligence gathering and protection of secrets is considered necessary to win wars.



Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

The west is considered Dar al harb or land of war so allah allows you to tell lies.

Who is it considered darulharb for the citizen of the Islamic state or the citizn of the non-Islamic state?

I am not a citizen of an Islamic state at war with the West, so such a designation would have no relevance to me.

The sort of lying you pretend is allowed in Islam is not allowed. Deception is only allowed in regard to matters directly related to fighting. Even then there are restrictions and Muslims are not allowed to break promises and treaties.



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Deception in war Praise be to God. God has forbidden treachery and has condemned those who do it. God says (interpretation of the meaning): Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before God are those who disbelieve , - so they shall not believe. They are those with whom you made a covenant, but they break their covenant every time and they do not fear God. [The Quran, al-Anfaal  v. 55-6] And the Prophet (peace and blessings of God be upon him) said: “Every betrayer will have a banner on the Day of Resurrection, by which he will be known.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6966; Muslim, 1736) Al-Bukhaari narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: ‘The Messenger of God said: ‘There are four characteristics, whoever has them all is a pure hypocrite: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a promise he breaks it; when he is entrusted with something he betrays that trust; and when he argues, he speaks in an obscene manner. Whoever has one of these traits has a trait of hypocrisy until he gives it up.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3878; Muslim, 58) And it was narrated that Maalik said: “I heard that Abdullah ibn Abbaas said: ‘There is no people who betrays their covenant but God gives their enemies power over them.” [al-Muwatta’, Baab ma jaa’a fi’l-wafa’ bi’l-‘ahd] Yet despite this condemnation of betrayal, Islam allows deception in war in order to attain victory. Al-Nawawi said: “The scholars are agreed that it is permissible to deceive the disbelievers in war in any way possible, except if that would mean breaking the terms of a treaty or trust, in which case it is not permitted. The Prophet said: “War is deceit.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3029; Muslim, 58).  One of the most dangerous elements of deceit is taking the enemy by surprise and catching them unawares before they can get ready to fight. When the Messenger wanted to head for Makkah in order to conquer it, he ordered the Muslims to get ready without telling anyone of his intention until after they had set out for Makkah, and after taking all precautions to prevent news of that reaching the mushrikeen. And the Prophet used to send out many raiding parties, and he would tell them to travel by night and conceal themselves by day so that they could catch the enemy unawares. Although it is permissible to use deception in war, we say that Islam has attained a high standard of ethics with regard to the use of these tricks in war. Among the most prominent examples of that are the following: Umar ibn al-Khattaab wrote to the commander of an army that he had sent out: “I have heard that some men among you look for disbelievers, then when they run to hide in difficult mountainous terrain they say, ‘Do not be afraid,’ then when they catch up with them they kill them. By the one in whose hand is my soul, if I hear that anyone has done that I will chop off his head.” It was narrated that Abu Muslimah said: “ ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab said: ‘By the One in Whose hand is my soul, if any one of you were to point to the sky [i.e., a gesture to imply that he will not harm him] to make a polytheist come down to him and then kill him, I would execute him for that.’” Islam has forbidden treachery, and treachery is not one of the kinds of tricks and deception that are permitted in war. Islamic law makes a distinction between the kinds of deceit that are permitted and that which involves treachery and breaks treaties. See al-‘Allaaqaat al-Khaarijiyyah fi Dawlat al-Khilaafah, 197. from Saudi scholar of Islam, Sheikh Muhammed Salih al-Munajjid

Now let's compare Islam's prohibitions on lying to Judaism.

The Talmud says:

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.


Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.


Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.





Gloats over Christ Dying Young

A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."


There are many other Talmudic lies about Jesus and Mary which are too heinous to reproduce




Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."


Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Out of curiosity, what does any of that bullshit have to do with the thread's topic of representations of Jews in Australian culture?  We get it, some of you hate Jews and some of  you hate Islam. News flash, no one cares, you bigoted dickheads.

Now can we get back to laughing at ethnic stereotypes, please?  Here, I'll get us started...

Q. What's the difference between a Jew and a canoe?

A. Canoes tip.

Abu once explained to me that lying is only permitted in times of war, and that the west has been at war with the Muslim world for over a century. I never could get him to explain what this meant exactly. He did however explain that Shites lie all the time. Shitism allows Shites to lie to Sunnis whenever Sunnis are trying to kill them for being Shites.

I find this one particularly ironic coming from Falah. I am surprised he did not "ellipse" this inconvenient bit out:


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Being truthful means speaking the truth and also saying things that reflect reality.

There's a much simpler way to put it, Freediver.

Just because your holybook says you're not supposed to do something doesn't mean that all adherents to that religion follow all the rules all the time.  The obvious response to that always boils down to "then they aren't a true believer of (insert faith in specific Magical Sky Pixie here)!" That would be a classic Not-A-True-Scotsman fallacy, and fallacy is a fancy way of saying bullshit, ergo religion is bullshit. QED.

Chard wrote on Jun 14^th, 2012 at 3:00am:

and fallacy is a fancy way of saying bullshit, ergo religion is bullshit. QED.

That's a good 'no true Scotsman' argument.