There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones.

It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop.

Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please.

Who cares man?  Jews are not beyond criticism, there is much those people are guilty of and should be held accountable for.

Terrorist jews are terrorists.

Israel needs to be stopped from their atrocities.

SOB

what the hell is the deal with philosemitic lapdogs like hicks anyway?

it's the most bizarre phenomeon ever. the white european gentile jewish running dog.

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

what the hell is the deal with philosemitic lapdogs like hicks anyway? it's the most bizarre phenomeon ever. the white european gentile jewish running dog.

Its a great example of how easy it is to manipulate people.
If I had as much hypocrisy as him my head would explode.

... wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. Who cares man?  Jews are not beyond criticism, there is much those people are guilty of and should be held accountable for.

You can criticise without being anti-semitic.
Sadly for certain people on here, that seems a little hard for them to do.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:26pm:

... wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:19pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. Who cares man?  Jews are not beyond criticism, there is much those people are guilty of and should be held accountable for. You can criticise without being anti-semitic. Sadly for certain people on here, that seems a little hard for them to do.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a joke.

wtf is anti-semitism????

you yourself equate criticism of israel and anti-zionism with it. so it must be a pretty broadly encompassing term, like 'racism'.

The Israeli's and the Jews, Anti-Semitism, Anti-Zionism, whatever, they are guilty of much wrong doing and should be called to account for it.

"An anti-semite is a man a Jew doesn't like." ~ Joe Sobran

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please.

I do agree with you Andrei, I dislike any negative racial stereotyping, and wish people could try a bit harder to avoid it.
If they have issues about actions of the Israeli government, they should say so, and not stereotype all jews as being equally culpable for what they believe they do wrong.
Similarly with muslims, and christianity, target the aspects you disagree with, but do not just try and paint them as all being equally culpable for all the wrongs you attribute to whichever system you disagree with.
It is acceptable to use a racial/cultural descriptor if it most fairly identifies the particular group you have issue with, so long as it is not then used as a catch all to try and demean others outside the specific group you wish to denounce.
I think when people do that, they cross the line from trying to highlight areas they believe need to be reformed, and into just trying to promote a general hatred for a group they take issue with.

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

"An anti-semite is a man a Jew doesn't like." ~ Joe Sobran

The word anti-semite is generally used when a legitimate question or concern is raised about Jewish/Israeli actions and someone cannot answer it without being a hypocrite.

Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way.
Still even at that point I was labeled anti-semetic and this is the same anywhere you go or whatever forum you go on.
People refuse to accept reality in regards to this issue.
I have spent my whole life listening to people say stuff like 'kill the terrorists' or whatever. Just they cant face the fact when the side they are own is worse then the 'terrorists' they are said to be fighting.
I think this analogy sums up my frustration well, imagine yourself in this position:
There are two football teams who play exactly the same, extremely dirty and are constantly making illegal tackles and starting punch ups or whatever.
One of these teams is constantly called out for its actions, the public knows they are wrong and is critical of them.
The other team who does exactly the same thing is supported and people are not critical of them, and if a question is raised about their playing then people label them and ignore all legitimate concerns.
Wouldn't that piss you off?

No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with.
You do need to try and avoid doing so.
You can argue very strongly against Israeli policies you disagree with, without declaring anything about individuals, specifically relating to their racial or cultural heritage.

How would you think of people who used racist language against aborigines, or negroes, or palestinians even?
I assume you'd think they were being unfair, and insensitive, if not downright offensive, so I expect from that perspective you could appreciate that calling individuals "jew-boy", is certainly not an example of you at your best.
You can be much better than that.

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:29pm:

"An anti-semite is a man a Jew doesn't like." ~ Joe Sobran

“an anti-Semite is someone who dislikes Jews more than is absolutely necessary"
-HL Mencken

it's funny how you follow up the sobran quote with the mencken quote; a lot of people have said that sobran was the mencken of the modern era.

mozzaok wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with. You do need to try and avoid doing so. You can argue very strongly against Israeli policies you disagree with, without declaring anything about individuals, specifically relating to their racial or cultural heritage. How would you think of people who used racist language against aborigines, or negroes, or palestinians even? I assume you'd think they were being unfair, and insensitive, if not downright offensive, so I expect from that perspective you could appreciate that calling individuals "jew-boy", is certainly not an example of you at your best. You can be much better than that.

So why do we not hold the same standards for people who do the same thing with Muslims etc??
There is about 100 threads a week stereotyping Muslims or Islamists, and for some reason people find this acceptable.

Sorry but Avram, if he really is who he claims to be is a terrorist and deserves no sympathy or kind words from me.

I agree PP I dislike a great deal of the anti-muslim rhetoric I have seen over the years, and I personally would be considered by most as being anti-Islam, which would be true enough, as I am anti-religion, across the board, but aspects of Islam are absolutely unacceptable to me, to a greater degree than many other dogmas.
If I am alerted to racial hatred being preached anywhere, I will try to address the issue.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way.

Such as making a list of jokes making fun of the holocaust.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:39pm: Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way. Such as making a list of jokes making fun of the holocaust.

gonna cry bro

I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are bad except when avram refers to the jews that raid gaza then i have to refer to the jews that murder ppl in gaza because he referred to them as jews. Thing is mostly its referred to in the supposedly acceptable manner but ppl take issue anyway. I really dont use the word "zionists" very often because it doesnt convey my meaning. ISRAEL as a country is who is doing the bad stuff. @ least the politicians and military. Why should i refine it any more? Yanks are referred to as the yanks or the americans or the us. UK is referred to as uk, Israel is referred to as israel.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are badSOB

PP has called a Jewish poster "Jew boy", called all Jews "scum" and stated on here that Jews "deserved the holocaust".

When you add the fact he also stated it was unfortunate the 9/11 terrorists didn't kill more US citizens, you realize overall he is quite a despicable individual.

All in all though anti-semitism is wrong and this board should not in any way encourage it.

I've seen Islam operating in many parts of the world, and I know many highly educated Muslims whom I respect.  Predominantly Muslim societies generally tend to be very over-civilised and overly polite rather than anything else, but then no two countries are the same. 

The part I object to is that of imposing religious laws on an otherwise free society. The religion itself is just another religion. The way that apostates are treated in practice is no different to that of certain fundamentalist Christian cults, such as the Brethren. (of course, that doesn't justify it)

I think that religious freedom, including the freedom to choose your own or "no religion" should be a basic human right.

The criticism of Islam is overdone on Oz Politics, however it reflects a general prejudice in society at large, and it should be voiced.

The other thing I object to is hypocrisy. Some of the reasons given by Christians for condemning Islam can equally be applied to other non- Christians.   

When it comes to Judaism, I'd say that it's perfectly ok to criticise the religion, or the zionist policies of Israel, but when it comes to criticisng an entire ethnicity, that's where you cross the line into bigotry -  that's how I interpret it personally at least. 

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:20pm:

I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are bad except when avram refers to the jews that raid gaza then i have to refer to the jews that murder ppl in gaza because he referred to them as jews. Thing is mostly its referred to in the supposedly acceptable manner but ppl take issue anyway. I really dont use the word "zionists" very often because it doesnt convey my meaning. ISRAEL as a country is who is doing the bad stuff. @ least the politicians and military. Why should i refine it any more? Yanks are referred to as the yanks or the americans or the us. UK is referred to as uk, Israel is referred to as israel. SOB

You can criticise Israel without being bigoted about Jews.
How is posting a set of jokes making fun of the holocaust and calling people "Jew Boy" - a well known offensive and derogatory remark to someone Jewish - criticising Israel??

Answer - it isn't.

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:16pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:15pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:39pm: Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way. Such as making a list of jokes making fun of the holocaust. gonna cry bro

Nope. I just find it offensive.
As would any other decent person.

you're not a decent person though

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are bad except when avram refers to the jews that raid gaza then i have to refer to the jews that murder ppl in gaza because he referred to them as jews. Thing is mostly its referred to in the supposedly acceptable manner but ppl take issue anyway. I really dont use the word "zionists" very often because it doesnt convey my meaning. ISRAEL as a country is who is doing the bad stuff. @ least the politicians and military. Why should i refine it any more? Yanks are referred to as the yanks or the americans or the us. UK is referred to as uk, Israel is referred to as israel. SOB You can criticise Israel without being bigoted about Jews. How is posting a set of jokes making fun of the holocaust and calling people "Jew Boy" - a well known offensive and derogatory remark to someone Jewish - criticising Israel?? Answer - it isn't.

You laughed @ the first one about germans giving them gas. Comon sure you did.

Its okay to joke about anyone and everyone else though isnt it. I bet you like muslim jokes. Maybe jokes about women. How about all those usama jokes when he got murdered?

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are bad except when avram refers to the jews that raid gaza then i have to refer to the jews that murder ppl in gaza because he referred to them as jews. Thing is mostly its referred to in the supposedly acceptable manner but ppl take issue anyway. I really dont use the word "zionists" very often because it doesnt convey my meaning. ISRAEL as a country is who is doing the bad stuff. @ least the politicians and military. Why should i refine it any more? Yanks are referred to as the yanks or the americans or the us. UK is referred to as uk, Israel is referred to as israel. SOB You can criticise Israel without being bigoted about Jews. How is posting a set of jokes making fun of the holocaust and calling people "Jew Boy" - a well known offensive and derogatory remark to someone Jewish - criticising Israel?? Answer - it isn't.

He stopped doing that when he was asked to. I havent seen him do it again.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:40pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are bad except when avram refers to the jews that raid gaza then i have to refer to the jews that murder ppl in gaza because he referred to them as jews. Thing is mostly its referred to in the supposedly acceptable manner but ppl take issue anyway. I really dont use the word "zionists" very often because it doesnt convey my meaning. ISRAEL as a country is who is doing the bad stuff. @ least the politicians and military. Why should i refine it any more? Yanks are referred to as the yanks or the americans or the us. UK is referred to as uk, Israel is referred to as israel. SOB You can criticise Israel without being bigoted about Jews. How is posting a set of jokes making fun of the holocaust and calling people "Jew Boy" - a well known offensive and derogatory remark to someone Jewish - criticising Israel?? Answer - it isn't. He stopped doing that when he was asked to. I havent seen him do it again. SOB

The fact you have to ask someone to not call another Jew Boy or to not celebrate the deaths of innocents shows the sort of person he is.

Asking someone to show common decency eh?

Top bloke he must be....

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

you're not a decent person though

That's a subjective thought.
I find jokes about the holocaust to be very disgusting.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:44pm: you're not a decent person though That's a subjective thought. I find jokes about the holocaust to be very disgusting.

Thats your personal opinion. Some ppl find whinging disgusting. Some ppl find smoking disgusting. Thing is he was making a point with those jokes. They werent meant to be funny.

SOB

Quote:

I find jokes about the holocaust to be very disgusting.

That's a subjective thought.

Quote:

Thing is he was making a point with those jokes.

no i'm pretty sure he was trying to be funny

and it was funny so there

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 1:17pm:

There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please.

There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is.
Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway.

Who? Friyay?

Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB

Political Puppet and his desire to gas Avram.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:39pm: Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way. Such as making a list of jokes making fun of the holocaust.

So what you people make just as sick jokes all the time, get over it.


Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:22pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are badSOB PP has called a Jewish poster "Jew boy", called all Jews "scum" and stated on here that Jews "deserved the holocaust". When you add the fact he also stated it was unfortunate the 9/11 terrorists didn't kill more US citizens, you realize overall he is quite a despicable individual. All in all though anti-semitism is wrong and this board should not in any way encourage it.

Avram is a jew boy and I have stated that I only dislike the terrorist or terrorist supporting jews.
I have explained the holocaust one many times but if you feel the need to lie and take my words out of context to try and win an argument then clearly your argument is not very water tight.

You are a hypocrite. Stop pretending to care about people.
You care WHO does something not WHAT they do.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB Political Puppet and his desire to gas Avram.

No I have stated I would be happy to drop a bomb on him instead as he things this method is acceptable

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway.

Avram is a terrorist and I reserve my right to want the death penalty for people like him.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB Political Puppet and his desire to gas Avram.

Hmmm. The instance where I saw gassing mentioned it was PP telling avram to gas HIM.

Why is tolerator and yourself and the other ppl who think they are so much better than the rest of us allowed to just insult and insult and be rude and insult instead of answering questions but the minute someone insults a jew its bad?

Are you religious? Is that it? God told you you have to defend the jews?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB Political Puppet and his desire to gas Avram. Hmmm. The instance where I saw gassing mentioned it was PP telling avram to gas HIM. Why is tolerator and yourself and the other ppl who think they are so much better than the rest of us allowed to just insult and insult and be rude and insult instead of answering questions but the minute someone insults a jew its bad? Are you religious? Is that it? God told you you have to defend the jews? SOB

Read correctly, idiot. Insult all you like. I said I think the line should be drawn when you openly state you want to kill another forum member.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:25pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:22pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB Political Puppet and his desire to gas Avram. No I have stated I would be happy to drop a bomb on him instead as he things this method is acceptable

Yeah well, discussion boards aren't really the place for that sort of thing.

We are talking about a terrorist here.
While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality.
This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism.
Get a grip and set some priorities.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities.

I don't share your righteous indignation.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. I don't share your righteous indignation.

Well then don't pretend to give a shyt about how people feel

How who feels?

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

How who feels?

You care who does something not what they do

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:42pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. I don't share your righteous indignation. Well then don't pretend to give a shyt about how people feel

Perhaps your empathy could be put to better use in your local community, rather than futilely clutching at your pearls on behalf of people you'll never meet, living 10,000 miles away. 

Just a thought.

... wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:43pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:42pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. I don't share your righteous indignation. Well then don't pretend to give a shyt about how people feel Perhaps your empathy could be put to better use in your local community, rather than futilely clutching at your pearls on behalf of people you'll never meet, living 10,000 miles away.  Just a thought.

please we have invaded countries for far less

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do

I am not sure what that even means.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do I am not sure what that even means.

Because you do not care about other people doing the same to Muslims for example.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

... wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:43pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:42pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. I don't share your righteous indignation. Well then don't pretend to give a shyt about how people feel Perhaps your empathy could be put to better use in your local community, rather than futilely clutching at your pearls on behalf of people you'll never meet, living 10,000 miles away.  Just a thought. please we have invaded countries for far less

I don't follow.
Who is "we"? 
Far less than what?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities.

When and where?
No he hasn't.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:15pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:39pm: Mozzak I think you will find if you look back when I first raised these issues on this forum I was speaking in a perfectly acceptable and politically correct way. Such as making a list of jokes making fun of the holocaust. So what you people make just as sick jokes all the time, get over it. Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:22pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 2:20pm: I havent seen anyone say that "jews" are badSOB PP has called a Jewish poster "Jew boy", called all Jews "scum" and stated on here that Jews "deserved the holocaust". When you add the fact he also stated it was unfortunate the 9/11 terrorists didn't kill more US citizens, you realize overall he is quite a despicable individual. All in all though anti-semitism is wrong and this board should not in any way encourage it. Avram is a jew boy and I have stated that I only dislike the terrorist or terrorist supporting jews. I have explained the holocaust one many times but if you feel the need to lie and take my words out of context to try and win an argument then clearly your argument is not very water tight. You are a hypocrite. Stop pretending to care about people. You care WHO does something not WHAT they do.

You do know that is a racially offensive insult don't you?
Do you not know this or are you deliberately trying to be racially insulting?

lol @ andrei acting all indignant over somebody else using 'racially offensive' language

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

We are talking about a terrorist here.While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities.

From what I have ever read about him, he's a young man from Israel who is studying in Australia for a year.
He has served in the IDF like 90% of his countrymen have on national service.

How is he a terrorist?
Where has he said he killed anyone, let alone innocent or not.

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

lol @ andrei acting all indignant over somebody else using 'racially offensive' language

You don't think that is a racially offensive?
That insult would see him arrested in several European nations.

He's a jew.
He's a boy.

He's a jew boy.

As you were.  Nothing to see here.

Name one country he'd be arrested in for saying "jew boy".

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. When and where? No he hasn't.

Well he has told me he went on raids on gaza

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do I am not sure what that even means. Because you do not care about other people doing the same to Muslims for example.

Since when have I called for Abu or Falah to be killed?

... wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

He's a jew. He's a boy. He's a jew boy. As you were.  Nothing to see here. Name one country he'd be arrested in for saying "jew boy".

OMG. I agree with tolerator. The world is upside down. (he will change his mind now)

SOB

... wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

He's a jew. He's a boy. He's a jew boy. As you were.  Nothing to see here. Name one country he'd be arrested in for saying "jew boy".

You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go.

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:59pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do I am not sure what that even means. Because you do not care about other people doing the same to Muslims for example. Since when have I called for Abu or Falah to be killed?

They arent terrorists are they?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:09pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. When and where? No he hasn't. Well he has told me he went on raids on gaza SOB

That translates to him killing people and innocent ones too does it?

Quote:

You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go.

That didn't answer his question mate.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:10pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:59pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do I am not sure what that even means. Because you do not care about other people doing the same to Muslims for example. Since when have I called for Abu or Falah to be killed? They arent terrorists are they? SOB

Avram is?
Again, where is the proof?

He served in Cast Lead. That makes him a terrorist?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:11pm:

... wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:07pm: He's a jew. He's a boy. He's a jew boy. As you were.  Nothing to see here. Name one country he'd be arrested in for saying "jew boy". You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go.

Who cares what offends yanks. This is australia.

SOB

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Quote: You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go. That didn't answer his question mate.

If its not racially offensive then nobody there would mind I assume?
Just head around that neighbourhood and just refer to them that way.

I'm sure they won't be offended and I am sure he'd have a lovely time.

Maybe call them kikes as well whilst you're at it?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:11pm: ... wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:07pm: He's a jew. He's a boy. He's a jew boy. As you were.  Nothing to see here. Name one country he'd be arrested in for saying "jew boy". You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go. Who cares what offends yanks. This is australia. SOB

Yep I am sure the people of Caulfield would love it too.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:09pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:01pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:39pm: We are talking about a terrorist here. While I use extreme communication methods to try and get you idiots to face reality. This guy has actually killed innocent people and committed acts of terrorism. Get a grip and set some priorities. When and where? No he hasn't. Well he has told me he went on raids on gaza SOB That translates to him killing people and innocent ones too does it?

Dont know yet he hasnt answered my questions. He went on raids to gaza though. He says rachel corrie deserved what she got. He certainly seems to be shaping up that way. If he killed ppl on his raids into gaza then he is a terrorist imo. Like I said he hasnt answered me yet though.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:12pm: Quote: You head out to the lower East side in NYC and loosely start using that description and see how you go. That didn't answer his question mate. If its not racially offensive then nobody there would mind I assume? Just head around that neighbourhood and just refer to them that way. I'm sure they won't be offended and I am sure he'd have a lovely time. Maybe call them kikes as well whilst you're at it?

It's patronising, at worst. 

use of the term would attract an "oi vey" at worst.

I can 100% assure you, the groups of young Jewish men would give a tad more than an oi vey to being called that.

In fact in most instances PP would absolutely crap his pants.
The thread where I see him threatening Avram, a guy who has done a 3 year tour on the West Bank and been in Gaza - I p*ssed myself laughing at that.

I am sure he was frightened to death....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:19pm:

I can 100% assure you, the groups of young Jewish men would give a tad more than an oi vey to being called that. In fact in most instances PP would absolutely crap his pants. The thread where I see him threatening Avram, a guy who has done a 3 year tour on the West Bank and been in Gaza - I p*ssed myself laughing at that. I am sure he was frightened to death....

Then why would he need you to champion him?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:12pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:10pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:59pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:57pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:45pm: How who feels? You care who does something not what they do I am not sure what that even means. Because you do not care about other people doing the same to Muslims for example. Since when have I called for Abu or Falah to be killed? They arent terrorists are they? SOB

Not that we know of. 
Still, back on topic, what's the benefit on a discussion forum of wanting to kill another member?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:19pm: I can 100% assure you, the groups of young Jewish men would give a tad more than an oi vey to being called that. In fact in most instances PP would absolutely crap his pants. The thread where I see him threatening Avram, a guy who has done a 3 year tour on the West Bank and been in Gaza - I p*ssed myself laughing at that. I am sure he was frightened to death.... Then why would he need you to champion him? SOB

I'm giving my opinion.
I laugh at some idiot in Australia throwing around anti-semitic insults and threatening someone who has faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants.

someone who has claimed to have faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants.

and i don't think he has even done that.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:23pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:19pm: I can 100% assure you, the groups of young Jewish men would give a tad more than an oi vey to being called that. In fact in most instances PP would absolutely crap his pants. The thread where I see him threatening Avram, a guy who has done a 3 year tour on the West Bank and been in Gaza - I p*ssed myself laughing at that. I am sure he was frightened to death.... Then why would he need you to champion him? SOB I'm giving my opinion. I laugh at some idiot in Australia throwing around anti-semitic insults and threatening someone who has faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants.

But that's the beauty of the interwebz -

pasty softcocks can tell alpha males that they're not "real men" and retards can mock the intelligence of geniuses.

*shrugs'

'Sjust the way it is...

JC Denton wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

someone who has claimed to have faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants. and i don't think he has even done that.

Israelis are as hard as nails.
They have to be.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:30pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:29pm: someone who has claimed to have faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants. and i don't think he has even done that. Israelis are as hard as nails. They have to be.

LOL.  Don't mess with the Zohan isn't a documentary you know.

... wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:31pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:30pm: JC Denton wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:29pm: someone who has claimed to have faced scenarios that would see the Aussie sh*t his pants. and i don't think he has even done that. Israelis are as hard as nails. They have to be. LOL.  Don't mess with the Zohan isn't a documentary you know.

Mate if you live in a country under consistent attack.
Amongst people which are out to kill you and your way of life.
If you have to spend 3 years in national service amongst these terrorists.

You can't exactly be a soft-c*ck or be bothered by measly little children bandying around insults from a country the other side of the world which has never seen a single day of what you face daily.

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No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with.

This is rampant in discussions with and about Muslims. Perhaps after an Islamic holocaust we will learn our lesson about demonising and dehumanising entire groups of people.

anti semites are hard as nails

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/SkorzenyOtto.jpg/225px-SkorzenyOtto.jpg

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Quote:    No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with. This is rampant in discussions with and about Muslims. Perhaps after an Islamic holocaust we will learn our lesson about demonising and dehumanising entire groups of people.

Annie in your opinion has there been anti-semitic remarks made and directed purely at a poster for being Jewish?

My original point -

Anti-semitism is unacceptable.
It should not be tolerated.
There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish.

This forum must be clear on that.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

My original point - Anti-semitism is unacceptable. It should not be tolerated.There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish. This forum must be clear on that.

But...but I'm the tolerator.  Tolerating is what I do.  Don't take that away from meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

On an unrelated matter, how can you tell a jewish household?

Theres toilet paper hanging on the clothes line.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:38pm: Quote:    No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with. This is rampant in discussions with and about Muslims. Perhaps after an Islamic holocaust we will learn our lesson about demonising and dehumanising entire groups of people. Annie in your opinion has there been anti-semitic remarks made and directed purely at a poster for being Jewish?

But its okay to make remarks to falah and abu purely for being muslim? And @ me for being BORG?

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:38pm: Quote:    No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with. This is rampant in discussions with and about Muslims. Perhaps after an Islamic holocaust we will learn our lesson about demonising and dehumanising entire groups of people. Annie in your opinion has there been anti-semitic remarks made and directed purely at a poster for being Jewish?

Purely because he is Jewish? No.

But Avram's Jewishness has been used as a weapon against him because of his beliefs, which is still unacceptable.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

My original point - Anti-semitism is unacceptable. It should not be tolerated. There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish. This forum must be clear on that.

Luckily you and your biased views arent in charge of the forum.

SOB

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:41pm: Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:38pm: Quote:    No PP, it is raised when you use negative stereotyping in a hateful manner, in an attempt to demean individuals that you disagree with. This is rampant in discussions with and about Muslims. Perhaps after an Islamic holocaust we will learn our lesson about demonising and dehumanising entire groups of people. Annie in your opinion has there been anti-semitic remarks made and directed purely at a poster for being Jewish? Purely because he is Jewish? No. But Avram's Jewishness has been used as a weapon against him because of his beliefs, which is still unacceptable.

Especially when he believes killing whole families in homes with bulldozers is acceptable and when he thinks rachel corrie deserved her fate for "being there".

SOB

Yes the anti-semitism is bad and it must stop now.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

But Avram's Jewishness has been used as a weapon against him because of his beliefs, which is still unacceptable.

Which of his views are unacceptable and on what ground?

If they are unacceptable to Muslims, don't bother. Israel is a sovereign country, a recognised member of the UN. Take that as read.
From that point on, what particular views of his are 'unacceptable' and on what grounds?

Soren wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 8:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:51pm: But Avram's Jewishness has been used as a weapon against him because of his beliefs, which is still unacceptable. Which of his views are unacceptable and on what ground? If they are unacceptable to Muslims, don't bother. Israel is a sovereign country, a recognised member of the UN. Take that as read. From that point on, what particular views of his are 'unacceptable' and on what grounds?

Heh. you need baby talk to comprehend?

She was DEFENDING avram. She was saying it was unacceptable to use his jewishness against him because of his beliefs. His jewish beliefs.

Get with the program soren does everything have to be explained in babytalk?

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 5:59pm:

Yes the anti-semitism is bad and it must stop now.

What is an example of supposed antisemitism?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 9:47am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 5:59pm: Yes the anti-semitism is bad and it must stop now. What is an example of supposed antisemitism? SOB

Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult

Pretending to be an ignorant, xenophobic, land hungry, war loving, right wing Zionist, is one of the more dangerous forms of anti-Semitism.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:

My original point - Anti-semitism is unacceptable. It should not be tolerated. There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish. This forum must be clear on that.

Can we apply the same rules to those who hate Muslims, refugees, poor people, the Greens and black skinned people?

Unfortunately the jews are disliked generally all over the world. Members on this board should be able to discuss the reasons why. The Holocaust was 60 years ago and millions of lives - and not just Jewish lives were lost in WWII.

I think equal consideration should be given to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The victims are still suffering today. What about our diggers who were slaughtered - and the innocent Germans and Europeans who were all victims too of a political war.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 9:47am: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 5:59pm: Yes the anti-semitism is bad and it must stop now. What is an example of supposed antisemitism? SOB Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult

What are you a girl?

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:42pm: My original point - Anti-semitism is unacceptable. It should not be tolerated. There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish. This forum must be clear on that. Can we apply the same rules to those who hate Muslims, refugees, poor people, the Greens and black skinned people? Unfortunately the jews are disliked generally all over the world. Members on this board should be able to discuss the reasons why. The Holocaust was 60 years ago and millions of lives - and not just Jewish lives were lost in WWII. I think equal consideration should be given to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The victims are still suffering today. What about our diggers who were slaughtered - and the innocent Germans and Europeans who were all victims too of a political war.

Agreed the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki deserve the status jews have received about 100x more, and there are plenty of others. Anyone who has used such horrible events for leverage and guilt to commit just as bad crimes should be stripped of their innocence.

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

Pretending to be an ignorant, xenophobic, land hungry, war loving, right wing Zionist, is one of the more dangerous forms of anti-Semitism.

Agreed.

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:42pm: My original point - Anti-semitism is unacceptable. It should not be tolerated. There should not be jokes about the holocaust and about people purely for being Jewish. This forum must be clear on that. Can we apply the same rules to those who hate Muslims, refugees, poor people, the Greens and black skinned people? Unfortunately the jews are disliked generally all over the world. Members on this board should be able to discuss the reasons why. The Holocaust was 60 years ago and millions of lives - and not just Jewish lives were lost in WWII. I think equal consideration should be given to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The victims are still suffering today. What about our diggers who were slaughtered - and the innocent Germans and Europeans who were all victims too of a political war.

I didn't make any comment negative about that.
I am pointing out that I find it distasteful that anti-semitism that has sprung up on this board - mainly from PoliticalPuppet but others too.

It is not acceptable and at times is even illegal racial insulting.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:27am:

I didn't make any comment negative about that. I am pointing out that I find it distasteful that anti-semitism that has sprung up on this board - mainly from PoliticalPuppet but others too. It is not acceptable and at times is even illegal racial insulting.

There are lots of things which aren't acceptable to our sensibilities, but if we all stopped offending everyone - it would be very boring. It is acceptable and legal in Australia to express a little hostility towards the Jews, Muslims, aborigines, Africans etc who have all experienced an equal amount of suffering over the centuries.

Why should the Jews be a protected species and immune to insult and criticism?

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:27am: I didn't make any comment negative about that. I am pointing out that I find it distasteful that anti-semitism that has sprung up on this board - mainly from PoliticalPuppet but others too. It is not acceptable and at times is even illegal racial insulting. There are lots of things which aren't acceptable to our sensibilities, but if we all stopped offending everyone - it would be very boring. It is acceptable and legal in Australia to express a little hostility towards the Jews, Muslims, aborigines, Africans etc who have all experienced an equal amount of suffering over the centuries. Why should the Jews be a protected species and immune to insult and criticism?

We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism.

Quote:

It is not acceptable and at times is even illegal racial insulting.

Illegal? Example please. Also I want to see the law.

Meanwhile jews are just wogs in oz.

SOB

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:32am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:27am: I didn't make any comment negative about that. I am pointing out that I find it distasteful that anti-semitism that has sprung up on this board - mainly from PoliticalPuppet but others too. It is not acceptable and at times is even illegal racial insulting. There are lots of things which aren't acceptable to our sensibilities, but if we all stopped offending everyone - it would be very boring. It is acceptable and legal in Australia to express a little hostility towards the Jews, Muslims, aborigines, Africans etc who have all experienced an equal amount of suffering over the centuries. Why should the Jews be a protected species and immune to insult and criticism? We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism.

Judaism is a religion. I do not like religions.

SOB

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism.

Very true - but I've noticed the members who attack the Muslims here don't bother distinguishing between the moderate Muslims and the extremists. They are all lumped in together.

I can see very little difference between the Jews and the Muslims apart from the colour of their robes.

Racial vilification is against the law in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Racial vilification is against the law in Australia.

Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share? 

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Racial vilification is against the law in Australia.

In some instances this law can be enforced where it compromises a job opportunity or causes physical suffering - but generally no. It is hard to prove racial vilification in Australia. It has to be proved first that either of the above actually occurred and then it is left to the discretion of the Judge or magistrate to make a decision.

You can thank John Howard for relaxing the racial vilification laws. He changed them in 2001 to ensure they were ambiguous and would not harm employers.

glee wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Racial vilification is against the law in Australia. Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share?

The Jews and the Muslims are both descendants of Abraham.

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Racial vilification is against the law in Australia. Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share?  The Jews and the Muslims are both descendants of Abraham.

Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he?

glee wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he?

True - but both religions are basically comprised of people predominantly being Arab in ancestry.

glee wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Racial vilification is against the law in Australia. Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share?

Actually Glee, that is a disingenuous argument that is usually promoted by racists, in a poor attempt to partially justify their repugnant, negative behaviour.

The term race is not genetic specific, and encompasses  genetic racial identity, cultural identity, and national identity.

An aussie for instance could come from any number of different ethnic backgrounds, but would be justified in taking offense if somebody said, "I HATE aussies, they are all drunken criminals, and slobs, and all aussies should be banned from our country", as that would be a racist slur, and rightfully considered racial vilification, and a racist comment.

GET IT?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Racial vilification is against the law in Australia.

Digging your own funeral there

mozzaok wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Racial vilification is against the law in Australia. Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share?  Actually Glee, that is a disingenuous argument that is usually promoted by racists, in a poor attempt to partially justify their repugnant, negative behaviour. The term race is not genetic specific, and encompasses  genetic racial identity, cultural identity, and national identity. An aussie for instance could come from any number of different ethnic backgrounds, but would be justified in taking offense if somebody said, "I HATE aussies, they are all drunken criminals, and slobs, and all aussies should be banned from our country", as that would be a racist slur, and rightfully considered racial vilification, and a racist comment. GET IT?

Sorry - not trying to incite anything here.  From my understanding the term "race" is defined by common ancestry.  "Australian" is not a race, but a nationality.  Muslim is a religion, Jewish is a religion.  I was coming at the issue from a biological viewpoint not a cultural one. 

Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:02pm:

Racial vilification is against the law in Australia.

What is "racial vilification"? And show me the law. And show me examples of where anyone broke said law.

If not then YOU are committing slander.

SOB

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:08pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:02pm: Racial vilification is against the law in Australia. Since when has Jewish been a race?  What common genetic ancestry do they share?  The Jews and the Muslims are both descendants of Abraham.

Abraham is a fictional character. That is not an acceptable answer.

SOB

Quote:

Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether.

- Glee

Spot on Glee, you saying it has morphed is spot on, it has become a lot more encompassing than 18th century ideas of race being restricted to Caucusoid, Negroid, or Mongoloid, were, and I think how it is used today works reasonably well, and most people do understand it as it is currently understood, which is why I said where people try to limit it's meaning back to that of 100 years ago or more, usually do so because of their own personal agenda, and their desire to self justify.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:41pm:

mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:15pm: The Jews and the Muslims are both descendants of Abraham. Abraham is a fictional character. That is not an acceptable answer. SOB

That's strange. I thought he was mentioned in the Bible - maybe the OT. To those who are religious - the Bible, Quran and the Siddur/Tanakh or whatever it's called, all contain real life characters. Surely Abraham gets a mention somewhere?

mozzaok wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Quote: Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether. - Glee Spot on Glee, you saying it has morphed is spot on, it has become a lot more encompassing than 18th century ideas of race being restricted to Caucusoid, Negroid, or Mongoloid, were, and I think how it is used today works reasonably well, and most people do understand it as it is currently understood, which is why I said where people try to limit it's meaning back to that of 100 years ago or more, usually do so because of their own personal agenda, and their desire to self justify.

Still fails the test though. Jewish is a religion not a race.

SOB

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:55pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:41pm: mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:15pm: The Jews and the Muslims are both descendants of Abraham. Abraham is a fictional character. That is not an acceptable answer. SOB That's strange. I thought he was mentioned in the Bible - maybe the OT. To those who are religious - the Bible, Quran and the Siddur/Tanakh or whatever it's called, all contain real life characters. Surely Abraham gets a mention somewhere?

Fictional characters cannot be used to define a lineage except maybe micky mouse. If you are religious you can believe whatever you want but it doesnt negate facts and you cant use it in place of facts.

SOB

mozzaok wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Quote: Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether. - Glee Spot on Glee, you saying it has morphed is spot on, it has become a lot more encompassing than 18th century ideas of race being restricted to Caucusoid, Negroid, or Mongoloid, were, and I think how it is used today works reasonably well, and most people do understand it as it is currently understood, which is why I said where people try to limit it's meaning back to that of 100 years ago or more, usually do so because of their own personal agenda, and their desire to self justify.

To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting.
You are not attacking his argument, you are not making any point, you are merely attempting to insult him based on him being Jewish.

That is bigotry. Nothing else.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

mozzaok wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm: Quote: Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether. - Glee Spot on Glee, you saying it has morphed is spot on, it has become a lot more encompassing than 18th century ideas of race being restricted to Caucusoid, Negroid, or Mongoloid, were, and I think how it is used today works reasonably well, and most people do understand it as it is currently understood, which is why I said where people try to limit it's meaning back to that of 100 years ago or more, usually do so because of their own personal agenda, and their desire to self justify. To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting. You are not attacking his argument, you are not making any point, you are merely attempting to insult him based on him being Jewish. That is bigotry. Nothing else.

Unlike calling ppl "stupid" and "idiot" and "uneducated" and "asshole" etcetc etcetc

oh and "beaner" whatever that is

SOB

mozzaok wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:54pm:

Quote: Granted the term "race" has morphed over the years.  Perhaps it is time it was more tightly defined or dropped altogether. - Glee Spot on Glee, you saying it has morphed is spot on, it has become a lot more encompassing than 18th century ideas of race being restricted to Caucusoid, Negroid, or Mongoloid, were, and I think how it is used today works reasonably well, and most people do understand it as it is currently understood, which is why I said where people try to limit it's meaning back to that of 100 years ago or more, usually do so because of their own personal agenda, and their desire to self justify.

I think the way it works today is confusing to be honest.  I would be more than happy to see the "race" dropped out of the term "racial vilification" and just keep the "vilification".  At least that way we concentrate on the individual and not the collective.

Nope.
Totally different.
None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion.

Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable.

If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand.

Is calling refugees that come by boat "human garbage" the same thing?

glee wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:08pm: Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand. Is calling refugees that come by boat "human garbage" the same thing?

Nope.
That is assessing them on their economic value to the country, what they are bringing to the country, disease,crime, problems etc.

It makes no reference at all to their ethnic heritage or racial or religious grouping.
Refugees for example who come to England I would class in similar terms and some are ethnically and racially the same as me.

So no, it is not racial vilification in any way.

mantra wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he? True - but both religions are basically comprised of people predominantly being Arab in ancestry.

That's  incorrect. Most Muslims are not Arabs and very few  jews are Arabs. Arabs form a minority of the Muslim population.

glee wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:08pm: Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand. Is calling refugees that come by boat "human garbage" the same thing?

Yes it's the same thing in my book.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand.

Attacking anybody because of their religion is unacceptable, however criticising a religion is ok.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:08pm:

Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand.

Unacceptable to you that is. Thing is the way anyone uses a racial epithet in this forum is to insult the person it is being used on. It is not in fact insulting a whole race. Same as calling someone an idiot. Meant to insult the person in question. Ppl here all like to insult each other. Its what they do.

Races or religions in another context are used on this forum to refer to a group of ppl. In context to discuss them. EG when discussing xtian atrocities, muslim atrocities or jewish atrocities. Everyone knows that the group referred to is the one committing the atrocities not ALL of that race or religion. Of course there are idiots who cant tell the difference or pretend not to be able to tell the difference.

you know full well that it isnt meant in an all encompassing way like freediver does about muslims.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:23pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:08pm: Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand. Is calling refugees that come by boat "human garbage" the same thing? Nope. That is assessing them on their economic value to the country, what they are bringing to the country, disease,crime, problems etc. It makes no reference at all to their ethnic heritage or racial or religious grouping. Refugees for example who come to England I would class in similar terms and some are ethnically and racially the same as me. So no, it is not racial vilification in any way.

And you have proof of that?

Seems to me Andrei that you cherry pick what is vilification and what is not, based on your own biases/bigotry and not on any other reason. 

muso wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:22pm: glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he? True - but both religions are basically comprised of people predominantly being Arab in ancestry. That's  incorrect. Most Muslims are not Arabs and very few  jews are Arabs. Arabs form a minority of the Muslim population.

A question I find interesting is which people have closer blood links to the people who inhabited Israel 2000 years ago. The Palestinians or the Jewish immigrants?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:23pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:08pm: Nope. Totally different. None of those singles out a group or person to insult purely based on their heritage/race/religion. Attacking someone because they are Jewish is bigotry and unacceptable. If you need the difference explained to you then you have a long way to go to understand. Is calling refugees that come by boat "human garbage" the same thing? Nope. That is assessing them on their economic value to the country, what they are bringing to the country, disease,crime, problems etc. It makes no reference at all to their ethnic heritage or racial or religious grouping. Refugees for example who come to England I would class in similar terms and some are ethnically and racially the same as me. So no, it is not racial vilification in any way.

This is a demonstration of pure bigotry. Selective in it's understanding and subjective in it's selection. You truly are a completely self absorbed person. It really is sad.

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

muso wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 1:34pm: mantra wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:22pm: glee wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:19pm: Still not a race, like Muslim is not a race.  Anyone can convert to either.  Sammy Davis Junior became a Jew by conversion didn't he? True - but both religions are basically comprised of people predominantly being Arab in ancestry. That's  incorrect. Most Muslims are not Arabs and very few  jews are Arabs. Arabs form a minority of the Muslim population. A question I find interesting is which people have closer blood links to the people who inhabited Israel 2000 years ago. The Palestinians or the Jewish immigrants?

Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis

'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbo9NlGUlrE

What is the ethnic mix in Modern Israel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwSe8ug_doo&sns=em

She is stunning, Grey.

Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism.
In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis.

Israel has several race groups not just Jews.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism. In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis. Israel has several race groups not just Jews.

I thought Jews belonged to many different races.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2ODPLa_IWKg/S28VpGIYwZI/AAAAAAAAANw/MxFEVTeAvRc/s400/ethiopian_jews.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4vH7pWQ5sWE/0.jpg

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 5:50pm: Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism. In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis. Israel has several race groups not just Jews. I thought Jews belonged to many different races. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2ODPLa_IWKg/S28VpGIYwZI/AAAAAAAAANw/MxFEVTeAvRc/s400/ethiopian_jews.jpg http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4vH7pWQ5sWE/0.jpg

Yes.

And do these Jews have as much right to settle in Israel as any other Jew.

http://www.ziomania.com/images/indian%20jew3.jpg

This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years.
There are different opinions about that.

So jews are not a race. Its a religion. Jewish. Religious. Nasty xtian OT religious.

SOB

Quote:

[quote]And do these Jews have as much right to settle in Israel as any other Jew.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years. There are different opinions about that.

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Most of the information available about non-Jewish residents in Israel implies that they are second class citizens and only useful as hired help for lowly jobs or they are slaves, in particular the Ethiopians. Slavery is apparently flourishing in Israel.

Do you know the reason why these people are considered inferior to their Jewish peers?

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 6:20pm:

This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years. There are different opinions about that.

What is your opinion?

MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 8:14pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 6:20pm: This is a interesting question that is talked about in Israel in recent years. There are different opinions about that. What is your opinion?

I think we can have different types of Jewish.
Secular European ancestry like me, orthodox and non European.
Different levels of right of return though so Israel doesn't have problems.

I do not agree they should be told to leave.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting.

I would have thought calling someone a "Jew boy," implied that they were "a Jew who is a boy," that the guy is a little young and makes some rash statements from time to time, which doesn't endear him to those on this forum.

My impression, however, based on his response to one of my posts, is that this guy isn't a kid. I do think, though, that the idiosyncrasies of Israeli society (class warfare?) has influenced much of his world view and leads to him making comments that would be "politically incorrect" in our society.


MOTR wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:37am:

We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism.

Exactly. The problem isn't Judaism. It's Zionism. I've been reading things about Judaism in the last two or three years and Judaism as a religion has far better things to offer than Zionism. Zionism is a recent phenomenon. Judaism has been around far longer than that.

Some Jews are absolutely against Zionism, like followers of the Satmar Rebbe. The Satmar's are an Ashkenazi Haredi group. Haredis are very traditional and conservative Jews. One of the claims of Jewish anti-Zionists is that the Zionists are mainly secular and atheist Jews with very little association with their religion, and that Zionism had "nothing" to do with Judaism. Some anti-Zionists sites even go so far as to claim that "the Zionists funded the Holocaust."

There was a lot more opposition to Zionism in the Jewish collective in the early 20th century, much more than today. The 1st Jewish governor general of Australia was one of those people who opposed Zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Isaacs

....... and then there's Neturei Karta .......... :(


Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 12:40pm:

What is "racial vilification"? And show me the law. And show me examples of where anyone broke said law. If not then YOU are committing slander.

The one example I remember is Catch The Fire Ministries. A Christian preacher likened Muslims to devils and demons and was sued. Anyone remember that?


Grey wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis 'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy.

There's another group: the Mizrahi.

http://www.meforum.org/707/post-zionism-and-the-sephardi-question

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 5:50pm:

Comments can be made on Israel without anti-semitism. In my parents district of Tel Aviv there are shops with African Israelis and also Arsb Israelis. Israel has several race groups not just Jews.

Do you have Pakistani Israelis?

Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege.

No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity.

Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next.

Evidence, thanks. We'd like to see some statistics and reliable quantitative data.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:46pm:

Evidence, thanks. We'd like to see some statistics and reliable quantitative data.

Good one. As every school boy knows, all momentous historical changes occur along lines established by 'social sciences': historical shifts are always looming large in statistics and quantitative data. The Berlin Wall fell due to statistical and quantitative data. So did Constantinople, the Aztec and Inca empires, the Eureka Stockade, the curtain on the Ottomans. All sociology. Of course.

Mnemonic wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:23am: Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:58pm: To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting. I would have thought calling someone a "Jew boy," implied that they were "a Jew who is a boy," that the guy is a little young and makes some rash statements from time to time, which doesn't endear him to those on this forum. My impression, however, based on his response to one of my posts, is that this guy isn't a kid. I do think, though, that the idiosyncrasies of Israeli society (class warfare?) has influenced much of his world view and leads to him making comments that would be "politically incorrect" in our society. MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:37am: We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism. Exactly. The problem isn't Judaism. It's Zionism. I've been reading things about Judaism in the last two or three years and Judaism as a religion has far better things to offer than Zionism. Zionism is a recent phenomenon. Judaism has been around far longer than that. Some Jews are absolutely against Zionism, like followers of the Satmar Rebbe. The Satmar's are an Ashkenazi Haredi group. Haredis are very traditional and conservative Jews. One of the claims of Jewish anti-Zionists is that the Zionists are mainly secular and atheist Jews with very little association with their religion, and that Zionism had "nothing" to do with Judaism. Some anti-Zionists sites even go so far as to claim that "the Zionists funded the Holocaust." There was a lot more opposition to Zionism in the Jewish collective in the early 20th century, much more than today. The 1st Jewish governor general of Australia was one of those people who opposed Zionism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Isaacs ....... and then there's Neturei Karta .......... :( Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:40pm: What is "racial vilification"? And show me the law. And show me examples of where anyone broke said law. If not then YOU are committing slander. The one example I remember is Catch The Fire Ministries. A Christian preacher likened Muslims to devils and demons and was sued. Anyone remember that? Grey wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 4:28pm: Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis 'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy. There's another group: the Mizrahi. http://www.meforum.org/707/post-zionism-and-the-sephardi-question

The terms Sephardic and Mizrahi are virtually interchangeable, though the reality is complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 11:53pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:46pm: Evidence, thanks. We'd like to see some statistics and reliable quantitative data. Good one. As every school boy knows, all momentous historical changes occur along lines established by 'social sciences': historical shifts are always looming large in statistics and quantitative data. The Berlin Wall fell due to statistical and quantitative data. So did Constantinople, the Aztec and Inca empires, the Eureka Stockade, the curtain on the Ottomans. All sociology. Of course.

In the land of Soren history is an unbroken continuum led by an American Jewish vanguard and the phrase, 'every dog has its day' is unintelligible.
;D

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next.

Lets hope iran gets a bomb hey?

SOB

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next.

Don't choke on your cocoa old boy. This is Dubai.

http://bloggerssheaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dubai-towers.jpg

Mnemonic wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 8:59pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:23am: Jew boy is anti-Semitic insult Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:58pm: To add to that, calling someone "jew boy" is racially insulting. I would have thought calling someone a "Jew boy," implied that they were "a Jew who is a boy," that the guy is a little young and makes some rash statements from time to time, which doesn't endear him to those on this forum. My impression, however, based on his response to one of my posts, is that this guy isn't a kid. I do think, though, that the idiosyncrasies of Israeli society (class warfare?) has influenced much of his world view and leads to him making comments that would be "politically incorrect" in our society. MOTR wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 11:37am: We shouldn't be addressing our hostility towards the Jews when our concerns are about aggressive Zionism not Judaism. Exactly. The problem isn't Judaism. It's Zionism. I've been reading things about Judaism in the last two or three years and Judaism as a religion has far better things to offer than Zionism. Zionism is a recent phenomenon. Judaism has been around far longer than that. Some Jews are absolutely against Zionism, like followers of the Satmar Rebbe. The Satmar's are an Ashkenazi Haredi group. Haredis are very traditional and conservative Jews. One of the claims of Jewish anti-Zionists is that the Zionists are mainly secular and atheist Jews with very little association with their religion, and that Zionism had "nothing" to do with Judaism. Some anti-Zionists sites even go so far as to claim that "the Zionists funded the Holocaust." There was a lot more opposition to Zionism in the Jewish collective in the early 20th century, much more than today. The 1st Jewish governor general of Australia was one of those people who opposed Zionism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Isaacs ....... and then there's Neturei Karta .......... :( Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 12:40pm: What is "racial vilification"? And show me the law. And show me examples of where anyone broke said law. If not then YOU are committing slander. The one example I remember is Catch The Fire Ministries. A Christian preacher likened Muslims to devils and demons and was sued. Anyone remember that? Grey wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 4:28pm: Depends if you're talking about the Sephardim or the Ashkenazi. It's ironic that the Sephardic Jews who have always maintained their meditteranean links are treated as second class Jews by the Zionist/Ashkenazis 'Mano Suave' Trad. Beduin, singer Yasmine Levy. There's another group: the Mizrahi. http://www.meforum.org/707/post-zionism-and-the-sephardi-question

Geez. If soren can call ppl "woman" as an insult and tolerator can call everyone idiots and several ppl have been called "beaners" who cares? Really I see nothing wrong with "jew boy" but I think the "offense" comes from the word jew not the word boy. It seems you are antisemitic if you even mention the word jew nowadays. No matter you are allowed to call muslims all sorts of things.

Judasim is a religion. Xtian is a problem. Islam is a problem. Judaism is a problem. They believe it OLD TESTAMENT of the xtian bible! Thats gotta be a problem. Have you read that thing?

Catch the fire ministries wasnt somebody on this forum. He was accusing someone on this forum of breaking the law.

SOB

Another nice Middle Age scene. This time from Abu Dhabi.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-54zZ50EGUWg/Tbl6oyjbPKI/AAAAAAAACFI/bVaOI4mG3sM/s1600/abu_dhabi_photos.jpeg

Soren wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 10:32pm:

Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next.

HAHAHAHA
How could the Muslims not be successful when they control the financial system?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. HAHAHAHA How could the Muslims not be successful when they control the financial system?

This is successful?

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angeleyes wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:32am: Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. HAHAHAHA How could the Muslims not be successful when they control the financial system? This is successful?

They should have prayed to jebus

muso wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 7:36am:

Another nice Middle Age scene. This time from Abu Dhabi. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-54zZ50EGUWg/Tbl6oyjbPKI/AAAAAAAACFI/bVaOI4mG3sM/s1600/abu_dhabi_photos.jpeg

You are sucked in, like everyone else who is eager to be dazzled by propaganda.

"There are three different Dubais, all swirling around each other. There are the expats, like Karen; there are the Emiratis, headed by Sheikh Mohammed; and then there is the foreign underclass who built the city, and are trapped here. They are hidden in plain view. You see them everywhere, in dirt-caked blue uniforms, being shouted at by their superiors, like a chain gang – but you are trained not to look. It is like a mantra: the Sheikh built the city. The Sheikh built the city. Workers? What workers?

Every evening, the hundreds of thousands of young men who build Dubai are bussed from their sites to a vast concrete wasteland an hour out of town, where they are quarantined away. Until a few years ago they were shuttled back and forth on cattle trucks, but the expats complained this was unsightly, so now they are shunted on small metal buses that function like greenhouses in the desert heat. They sweat like sponges being slowly wrung out.

Sonapur is a rubble-strewn patchwork of miles and miles of identical concrete buildings. Some 300,000 men live piled up here, in a place whose name in Hindi means "City of Gold". In the first camp I stop at – riven with the smell of sewage and sweat – the men huddle around, eager to tell someone, anyone, what is happening to them.

Sahinal Monir, a slim 24-year-old from the deltas of Bangladesh. "To get you here, they tell you Dubai is heaven. Then you get here and realise it is hell," he says. Four years ago, an employment agent arrived in Sahinal's village in Southern Bangladesh. He told the men of the village that there was a place where they could earn 40,000 takka a month (£400) just for working nine-to-five on construction projects. It was a place where they would be given great accommodation, great food, and treated well. All they had to do was pay an up-front fee of 220,000 takka (£2,300) for the work visa – a fee they'd pay off in the first six months, easy. So Sahinal sold his family land, and took out a loan from the local lender, to head to this paradise."
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

Yes, there is insane architecture but it is still a sh!thole with a glass and steel lid.

ive been to dubai, not that muso was even talking about 'dubai' in the first place he was referring to the UAE's more understated, less razzling and dazzling, but richer, capital

dubai is full of foreign workers who are the menial and mental slaves of the arabs who form a minority in the populationthere and just kick back crack open a few tinnies and enjoy the ride

fun place and really can you blame them

if i was an arab shiek id be sittin in my big luxury tent smokin hookah all day with some light skinned persian hunnies all up on my d1ck

angeleyes wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 9:58am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 9:32am: Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. HAHAHAHA How could the Muslims not be successful when they control the financial system? This is successful?

Sarcasm not detected?

dubai/abu dhabi arent shitholes at all for the arabs, the ruling indigenous people of these cities

but yeah i think they should just give their wealth to foreign workers and share it equally with them you should email them the suggestion comrade!!!

muso wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 7:34am:

Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. Don't choke on your cocoa old boy. This is Dubai. http://bloggerssheaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dubai-towers.jpg

Another country that does not like Israeli passport holders.
All over the Arab world they discriminate.

dubai is really cool

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

muso wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:34am: Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. Don't choke on your cocoa old boy. This is Dubai. http://bloggerssheaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dubai-towers.jpg Another country that does not like Israeli passport holders. All over the Arab world they discriminate.

A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here

Quote:

A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here

The yanks wouldn't let us jail an israeli terrorist

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:47pm:

Quote: A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here The yanks wouldn't let us jail an israeli terrorist SOB

Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too.

It makes me wonder what happened to Arthur Harris and Harry Truman.

Soren wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 11:42am:

Sahinal Monir, a slim 24-year-old from the deltas of Bangladesh. "To get you here, they tell you Dubai is heaven. Then you get here and realise it is hell," he says.

Wow, for a while I kept seeing those ads on TV about how great Dubai (or some other Middle Eastern place) was.

Mnemonic wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 2:38pm: Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too. It makes me wonder what happened to Arthur Harris and Harry Truman.

Their message lives on as I believe they were both masons

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 3:22pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 1:17pm: There is far too much of it creeping into this forum, be it on a member site or the General ones. It is offensive and it is wrong and should stop. Debate points, debate views, but leave out the anti-semitic hatred please. There's only 1 poster who takes it too far. I think we all know who that is. Personal death threats I think are not on; not in this environment anyway. Who? Friyay? Thing is last time i saw threats of physical violence was some time ago now. Seems that to keep bringing it back up is a bit stupid. SOB

I would take umbrage to this lie, but considering it is from someone whom I believe that their entire understanding of foreign countries and politics in general could fit on the head of a pin…..i won’t take any offence.

What does this have to do with anti-semitism?

Some body thought jews were untouchable. Its okay to talk about muslims or even xtians bout not jews. He was set straight.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 3:27pm:

Some body thought jews were untouchable. Its okay to talk about muslims or even xtians bout not jews. He was set straight. SOB

OK then.  So this whole thread is a load of crap?

Frances wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 3:27pm: Some body thought jews were untouchable. Its okay to talk about muslims or even xtians bout not jews. He was set straight. SOB OK then.  So this whole thread is a load of crap?

Yup. Basically.

SOB

Nope, it seems others don't understand the difference between freedom of speech and common decency/racial hatred.

It is not acceptable to insult people on here based purely and wholly on their race.

You can disagree with someone's views on here or political viewpoint but laying insults on them purely for the fact they are Jewish is outright anti-semitism and it has no place in a forum or debate of decent people.

We are past the days of "going after the Jews" for being Jewish.

There is too much of it on here (admittedly mainly from one person) and it needs to stop.

It's not acceptable.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

Nope, it seems others don't understand the difference between freedom of speech and common decency/racial hatred. It is not acceptable to insult people on here based purely and wholly on their race. You can disagree with someone's views on here or political viewpoint but laying insults on them purely for the fact they are Jewish is outright anti-semitism and it has no place in a forum or debate of decent people. We are past the days of "going after the Jews" for being Jewish. There is too much of it on here (admittedly mainly from one person) and it needs to stop. It's not acceptable.

Terrorist Jews are terrorists

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:00pm: muso wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:34am: Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. Don't choke on your cocoa old boy. This is Dubai. http://bloggerssheaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dubai-towers.jpg Another country that does not like Israeli passport holders. All over the Arab world they discriminate. A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here

I think he means countries who have been taken over by the Taliban. You know, Holland, France, Germany - some suburbs in Melbourne and Sydney.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:00pm: muso wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 7:34am: Soren wrote on May 26th, 2012 at 10:32pm: Israel is a viable, thriving, successful country despite being under siege. No Muslim country is viable if it is Islamic. That way lies ruin. You can't be Islamic a successful,  post-Middle Ages. Modernity and Islam are deadly enemies. That's the struggle we are living through. Islam is going to die because it cannot survive modernity. Modernity has defeated communism and fascism. Islamism is next. Don't choke on your cocoa old boy. This is Dubai. http://bloggerssheaven.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/dubai-towers.jpg Another country that does not like Israeli passport holders. All over the Arab world they discriminate. A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here

Take Mecca. You can hardly say that's an Islamic state/protectorate.

It's run by Conrad Hilton.

Or Knightsbridge in London.

Sure, it may be owned and run by Saudis, but it couldn't possibly be Islamic - no suicide bombers.

Iraq under Saddam - now THAT was an Islamic state. Wasn't he threatening Amerika and Mother England? Didn't he send planes into the World Trade Centre?

It's okay now.

Brunei - not Muslim. Too rich.

Norway: an emerging Islamic state.

Ask Anders Breivik.

Switzerland: Muslim. That mad Croatian atheist wanted to take the cross off the flag. Can you believe it?

Palestine - Islamic? Hardly.

It's called Israel. All of it.

Indonesia? Can't possibly be Muslim. It's run by slopes.

I am told that obama is a communist muslim

no really somebody keeps trying to tell me this

SOB

Malaysia? It's the biggest tourist destination in South East Asia.

Why would anyone go there if it's a Muslim country?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

I am told that obama is a communist muslim no really somebody keeps trying to tell me this SOB

Interesting. Amerika? It's run by a Muslim - what do you think?

I'd go 50-50.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 2:38pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:47pm: Quote: A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here The yanks wouldn't let us jail an israeli terrorist SOB Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too.

You two are just a class of your own: it's not enough that you are stupid, you are also malicious. That's really something.  I am not surprised at all that you would side with any regime, no matter how hideous, as long as it is as stupid and malicious as you.


I am offering this as free, caring and sharing consultation, not as abuse, you understand. A bit of life coaching.

Soren wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 2:38pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:47pm: Quote: A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here The yanks wouldn't let us jail an israeli terrorist SOB Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too. You two are just a class of your own: it's not enough that you are stupid, you are also malicious. That's really something.  I am not surprised at all that you would side with any regime, no matter how hideous, as long as it is as stupid and malicious as you. I am offering this as free, caring and sharing consultation, not as abuse, you understand. A bit of life coaching.

What regime?

SOB

Mauritius? Yes, I believe they are a Muslim state. Or trying to be, anyway. That's enough.

Good point, old boy.

Soren wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 2:38pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 27th, 2012 at 12:47pm: Quote: A lot of places don't like terrorists, your lucky you dont get life in jail here The yanks wouldn't let us jail an israeli terrorist SOB Obviously because then we would have precedent to jail their terrorists too. You two are just a class of your own: it's not enough that you are stupid, you are also malicious. That's really something.  I am not surprised at all that you would side with any regime, no matter how hideous, as long as it is as stupid and malicious as you. I am offering this as free, caring and sharing consultation, not as abuse, you understand. A bit of life coaching.

Don't like the competition?

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 5:38pm: I am told that obama is a communist muslim no really somebody keeps trying to tell me this SOB Interesting. Amerika? It's run by a Muslim - what do you think? I'd go 50-50.

What on earth makes you think that?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 7:34pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 5:40pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 5:38pm: I am told that obama is a communist muslim no really somebody keeps trying to tell me this SOB Interesting. Amerika? It's run by a Muslim - what do you think? I'd go 50-50. What on earth makes you think that?

Well... there is a picture of their leader in a funny hat. So ii's only natural that people would assume that. Personally, I'm going with muslim but I've got my fingers crossed.

Karnal, don't forget France. France is muslim. I reckon the secret French plan is to deport the last vestiges of christians off to North Africa.

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 28th, 2012 at 5:38pm: I am told that obama is a communist muslim no really somebody keeps trying to tell me this SOB Interesting. Amerika? It's run by a Muslim - what do you think? I'd go 50-50.

Well, actually, according to Muslim law, he is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. Whether Bazza O'Bama Snr practiced Islam or abandoned it (ie became an apostate) doesn't matter as far as Bazza O'Bama Junior's Islamic cred is concerned. There is no leaving of Islam and the father takes precedent.
No wonder the dude bowed to King buggermud al Mahmud like nobody has bowed to anyone for 50 years. Except him again to Emperor Harakiri.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H_rVDlsennM/Se4QTWaDPGI/AAAAAAAANMw/467hQ-_rNCA/s400/obama-bows-to-saudi-king.jpg

http://worldmeets.us/images/obama.bow.Akihito.big_pic.gif

That settles it then. And let's not forget the former president meeting the Taliban as the governor of Texas.

Which one was modernity again?

Excellent work, old boy.