In the hadith it claims Muhammad spoke to Moses and it was Moses who told Muhammad to ask Allah for a reduction in the amount of times a muslim has to pray because Allah originally set it at 50 times per day.


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I passed by Moses who asked me "What has Allah enjoined on your followers?" i replied "he has enjoined 50 prayers on them, Moses said Go back to your lord and appeal for a reduction for your followers will not be able to bear it,So i went back to Allah and requested for futher reduction and half of it was reduced, I again passed by Moses and he said return to your lord for your followers will not be able to bear it,So i returned to Allah and he said, these 5 prayers they are all equal to 50 for my word does not change. http://sunnah.com/bukhari/8

Falah-Abu
Bukhari is considered pretty solid with the sunni side of Islam, do you really think Muhammad spoke to Moses,Allah and the other prophets as this hadith claims?

Why did allah originally set the prayer number to 50 then reduce it to 5 , was Muhammad making it up as he went along?

Yes. Propeht Muhammed (peace & blessings of God upon him) ascended to Heaven as did Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).

God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't.

He'd be more damn merciful if he cut it down to one.
I mean what more can you say? Just make it one long prayer about 5 minutes and that's it. You can't go bothering god all the time he won't think any more of you.
Why don't muslims organise someone to have another chat with him and see if they can get a better deal?
It can be done, just needs a bit of commonsense.
I'm serious.

falah wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Yes. Propeht Muhammed (peace & blessings of God upon him) ascended to Heaven as did Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't.

I reckon he should have made you pray 50 times a day.

bludger wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:

He'd be more damn merciful if he cut it down to one. I mean what more can you say? Just make it one long prayer about 5 minutes and that's it. You can't go bothering god all the time he won't think any more of you. Why don't muslims organise someone to have another chat with him and see if they can get a better deal? It can be done, just needs a bit of commonsense. I'm serious.

Common sense??? I keeel you!!!!!

This is also mentioned, albeit briefly in Surah 97 and the Night of Power.

Why are we arguing about fiction books?

falah wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Yes. Propeht Muhammed (peace & blessings of God upon him) ascended to Heaven as did Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him). God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't.

Have you committed blasphemy but making a typo in the word prophet?

SOB

It is just an observation on my part, but how can anyone ask something of someone who has never lived?

falah wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't.

So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:17am:

falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then.

what strange logic

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 5:45am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:17am: falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then. what strange logic SOB

How can a mind, immutable - non-contingent - in the absolute, change?

I think the passage says that he didn't change his mind. Rather, he fixed things so that 5 equals 50.

Phew.

For some reason that reminds me of Abu and Falah's 'arguments'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 4:17am:

falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then.

Obviously God Almighty planned this all along. But He lets us know what His rights are, and how Merciful He is by letting us know that He could have made 50 prays compulsory.

By allowing things to occur as they did, God demonstrates to us that more prayers are desirable to him. If one follows the prophetic prayers as taught by Prophet Muhammed (God's peace & blessings upon him), they equal about 50 units of prayer per day. Praying 5 times per day is considered the bare minimum.

Well if they did have a cozy chat I doubt if they had anything interesting to say.

falah wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 8:42am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:17am: falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then. Obviously God Almighty planned this all along. But He lets us know what His rights are, and how Merciful He is by letting us know that He could have made 50 prays compulsory. By allowing things to occur as they did, God demonstrates to us that more prayers are desirable to him. If one follows the prophetic prayers as taught by Prophet Muhammed (God's peace & blessings upon him), they equal about 50 units of prayer per day. Praying 5 times per day is considered the bare minimum.

So what happens when you miss morning prayer Falah, does satan urinate in your ears?

Should we interpret that as satan being unhappy with those who miss morning prayer by his urinating in muslims ears?

Wo are you really worshipping when sura 4:82 says the Quran is not from Allah and satan urinates in the ears of those who miss morning prayers?
http://quran.com/4/82



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Narrated Abdullah  A person was mentioned before the prophet and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer, The Prophet said "Satan urinated in his ears" http://sunnah.com/search/satan-urinates

Have muslims considered using ear plugs as a satan urination prevention device?

I thought Islam forbade jokes?

Or was Muhammed serious?

freediver wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:52pm:

I thought Islam forbade jokes? Or was Muhammed serious?

Deadly, imo.

Is there any 'Hadith science' comparing the health benefits of Satan urine to that of camel urine? Perhaps Satan urine could be used to treat sleep disorders? Does goat urine count as a more convenient substitute?

All those million litres of urine going to waste. It could be put to much better use watering lemon trees.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2012 at 3:42pm:

falah wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 8:42am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:17am: falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then. Obviously God Almighty planned this all along. But He lets us know what His rights are, and how Merciful He is by letting us know that He could have made 50 prays compulsory. By allowing things to occur as they did, God demonstrates to us that more prayers are desirable to him. If one follows the prophetic prayers as taught by Prophet Muhammed (God's peace & blessings upon him), they equal about 50 units of prayer per day. Praying 5 times per day is considered the bare minimum. So what happens when you miss morning prayer Falah, does satan urinate in your ears? Should we interpret that as satan being unhappy with those who miss morning prayer by his urinating in muslims ears? Wo are you really worshipping when sura 4:82 says the Quran is not from Allah and satan urinates in the ears of those who miss morning prayers? http://quran.com/4/82 Quote: Narrated Abdullah  A person was mentioned before the prophet and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer, The Prophet said "Satan urinated in his ears" http://sunnah.com/search/satan-urinates     Have muslims considered using ear plugs as a satan urination prevention device?

Typically the retarded ones, as usual, miss the point.

Satan does not urinate in people's ears because they miss prayers.

People miss prayers because Satan urinates in their ear.

In Muslim countries the call to prayer is announced every morning. Satan tries to stop some people from hearing the prayer.

The satanic spirits do not inhabit the same physical realm as humans. They are created from the smokeless flame. One does not expect to perceive the urine of satanic spirits in the same manner as the creature of our physical realm.

Falah, is Satanic urine a good cure for sleep disorders? How do it's medicinal properties compare with that of camel urine? Is goat urine an effective substitute?

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Falah, is Satanic urine a good cure for sleep disorders?

You tell me. Afterall, you are the one who is in league with Satan.


freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

How do it's medicinal properties compare with that of camel urine? Is goat urine an effective substitute?

You mock the medicinal value of such medicinal practice. But do you think it is strange that the American pharmaceutical giant Wyeth uses horse urine in its medicines?


Is it hilarious that Whyeth, valued at about $70 billion uses horse urine?

Are you retarded Freeeliar? Are your parents brother and sister?


i imagine that you look abit like the kid playing banjo in the Deliverance movie.

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/werdsirom/deliverance-banjo-kid_2-1.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

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You tell me. Afterall, you are the one who is in league with Satan.

How would I know Falah? I only just heard about Satan urinating in people's ears.


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You mock the medicinal value of such medicinal practice.

I am asking you about it Falah.


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But do you think it is strange that the American pharmaceutical giant Wyeth uses horse urine in its medicines?

Obviously it is strange if the Koran recommends camel urine instead. Or Satan urine. What were they thinking? Perhaps camel urine is Allah's second great gift to Muslims after all that oil. Can you recommend any Saudi pharmaceutical companies to invest in?

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Falah, is Satanic urine a good cure for sleep disorders? How do it's medicinal properties compare with that of camel urine? Is goat urine an effective substitute?

Now you're takin' the piss...

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:52am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 9:44pm: Falah, is Satanic urine a good cure for sleep disorders? You tell me. Afterall, you are the one who is in league with Satan.

SO does this mean that FD can piss in the ears of sleepless Muslims and that will cure them??

If I am in league with Satan, can I do it too?
I'm here to help.

count me in, drinking a glass of water now to aid the cause :-)

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 8:16pm:

Obviously it is strange if the Koran recommends camel urine instead. Or Satan urine. What were they thinking?

Freeliar, in order to support your lies, Can you demonstrate where the Quran says to use any type of urine?

Of course you cannot because you are a liar.

Are you aware that you are lying or do you do it so often that you actually cannot tell whether you are lying or telling the truth?

falah wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2012 at 8:16pm: Obviously it is strange if the Koran recommends camel urine instead. Or Satan urine. What were they thinking? Freeliar, in order to support your lies, Can you demonstrate where the Quran says to use any type of urine? Of course you cannot because you are a liar. Are you aware that you are lying or do you do it so often that you actually cannot tell whether you are lying or telling the truth?

It's a hadith, actually:

Hadith 1:234 Narrated Abu Qilaba:

Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle."

Islam = Koran + hadith.


http://www.jesusandmo.net/strips/2009-03-10.jpg

Falah, I am asking you, not telling you. Is Satan urine a cure for sleep disorders?

falah wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 12:52am:

freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 9:44pm: Falah, is Satanic urine a good cure for sleep disorders? You tell me. Afterall, you are the one who is in league with Satan. freediver wrote on Jun 4th, 2012 at 9:44pm: How do it's medicinal properties compare with that of camel urine? Is goat urine an effective substitute? You mock the medicinal value of such medicinal practice. But do you think it is strange that the American pharmaceutical giant Wyeth uses horse urine in its medicines? Is it hilarious that Whyeth, valued at about $70 billion uses horse urine?

Did Muhammad presribe horse urine or camel urine falah?

Is there anything mentioned in the Quran-hadith about horse urine?

Drinking camel urine to cure illness is considered Quackery.

falah wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 9:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2nd, 2012 at 3:42pm: falah wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 8:42am: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 1st, 2012 at 4:17am: falah wrote on May 25th, 2012 at 4:32pm: God reduced the amount of compulsory prayers  because He is Merciful. God showed us that He could have made 50 prayers per day compulsory, but he mercifully didn't. So Allah Changes his mind? Cannot be a god, then. Obviously God Almighty planned this all along. But He lets us know what His rights are, and how Merciful He is by letting us know that He could have made 50 prays compulsory. By allowing things to occur as they did, God demonstrates to us that more prayers are desirable to him. If one follows the prophetic prayers as taught by Prophet Muhammed (God's peace & blessings upon him), they equal about 50 units of prayer per day. Praying 5 times per day is considered the bare minimum. So what happens when you miss morning prayer Falah, does satan urinate in your ears? Should we interpret that as satan being unhappy with those who miss morning prayer by his urinating in muslims ears? Wo are you really worshipping when sura 4:82 says the Quran is not from Allah and satan urinates in the ears of those who miss morning prayers? http://quran.com/4/82 Quote: Narrated Abdullah  A person was mentioned before the prophet and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer, The Prophet said "Satan urinated in his ears" http://sunnah.com/search/satan-urinates     Have muslims considered using ear plugs as a satan urination prevention device? Typically the retarded ones, as usual, miss the point. Satan does not urinate in people's ears because they miss prayers. People miss prayers because Satan urinates in their ear. In Muslim countries the call to prayer is announced every morning. Satan tries to stop some people from hearing the prayer. The satanic spirits do not inhabit the same physical realm as humans. They are created from the smokeless flame. One does not expect to perceive the urine of satanic spirits in the same manner as the creature of our physical realm.

The hadith says the man slept till morning could that be why he missed the prayer, where does it say satan caused him to miss prayers?
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/59#80


I like the next hadith in the list-

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The prophet said If anyone of you, when having sexual relations with his wife, say "In the name of Allah,O Allah Protect us from satan and prevent satan from approaching our offspring you are going to give us, and if he begets a child satan will not harm it

Do you say that whyen having sex with your wife falah to keep satan away from your children, do you think it will work, what if they miss morning prayers?


Scroll down a bit further-

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The prophet said If while you are praying ,somebody intends to pass in front of you,prevent him and should he insist prevent him again and if he insists again then fight him (ie prevent him violently) because such a person is like a devil

Falah - if you were praying in the street would you use violence with someone who tried to walk in front of you?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

What do Scroll down a bit further- Quote: The prophet said If while you are praying ,somebody intends to pass in front of you,prevent him and should he insist prevent him again and if he insists again then fight him (ie prevent him violently) because such a person is like a devil Falah - if you were praying in the street would you use violence with someone who tried to walk in front of you?

I don't usually pray in the street. Streets have these fast metal things that roll around on them.

Other places I do not pray include train tracks, tram tracks, airport runways, ski slopes, rodeos and nightclubs.

falah wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 3:00pm: What do Scroll down a bit further- Quote: The prophet said If while you are praying ,somebody intends to pass in front of you,prevent him and should he insist prevent him again and if he insists again then fight him (ie prevent him violently) because such a person is like a devil Falah - if you were praying in the street would you use violence with someone who tried to walk in front of you? I don't usually pray in the street. Streets have these fast metal things that roll around on them. Other places I do not pray include train tracks, tram tracks, airport runways, ski slopes, rodeos and nightclubs.

Would you resort to violence if someone tried to pass in front of you while you were praying like the prophet Mohammad commanded in the hadith?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Would you resort to violence if someone tried to pass in front of you while you were praying like the prophet Mohammad commanded in the hadith?

What you like to do is take things out of context.

Do you know how Muslims pray? Do you know the rules of Islamic prayer? Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him?

What you demonstrate is not a desire to find the truth, but rather, your intention seems to be to deceive by taking any information you can find about Islam and presenting it outside of its context.

Captaindistort wrote Today at 4:50pm:

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Would you resort to violence if someone tried to pass in front of you while you were praying like the prophet Mohammad commanded in the hadith?

What you like to do is take things out of context.

Do you know how Muslims pray? Do you know the rules of Islamic prayer? Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him?

What you demonstrate is not a desire to find the truth, but rather, your intention seems to be to deceive by taking any information you can find about Islam and presenting it outside of its context.

falah wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

Captaindistort wrote Today at 4:50pm: Quote: Would you resort to violence if someone tried to pass in front of you while you were praying like the prophet Mohammad commanded in the hadith? What you like to do is take things out of context. Do you know how Muslims pray? Do you know the rules of Islamic prayer? Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him? What you demonstrate is not a desire to find the truth, but rather, your intention seems to be to deceive by taking any information you can find about Islam and presenting it outside of its context.

It was a simple question falah  how is that taking anything out of context when Muhammad says fight those who try to pass in front of you when praying.

You still have not answered the question why are you avoiding it, do you think avoiding questions makes you look like a snake oil salesman or somewhat credible?

The muslim prayer is a chinese whispers version of an ancient jewish prayer, i wonder who Mo copied for that.

What happens if you fart while praying falah, do you want to tell us what you have to do ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSOVTtYo4hQ

I once saw a muslim man and his heavily pregnant wife enjoying an afternoon in the park. The wife was sitting on a rug, while the husband went off to do something. Then it looked like it was prayer time, so the husband came back to the rug to use it as a prayer mat. He appeared to make his wife get off the rug and leave the area so he could pray. Is there anything in Islam that would require this?

Also, I had an idea for harvesting satanic urine to sell as a cure for sleep disorders, involving empty glass jars and a lot of gaffa tape. Could I claim Islamic legitimacy for selling apparently empty glass jars that actually contain whisps of Satan's urine harvested from the ears of lazy Muslims?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBDXlkARlc

You could always try thinking for yourself Falah, rather than trying to entertain us with silly videos.

falah wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 4:55pm:

Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him?

muslims are praying on the streets in france, russia, italy, everywhere. the french had to ban it last year it was so widespread.

how do they tell whether it is a Muslim praying or a sight-impaired homeless person looking for cigarette butts?

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

how do they tell whether it is a Muslim praying or a sight-impaired homeless person looking for cigarette butts?

Priests look for butts, but not of those that are cigarettes.

When I was uni one of my flatmates had a go at me in font of a girl he liked for always ending my sentences with 'but', so I told him, "but But's your new nickname. But."

Bertram wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

falah wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him? muslims are praying on the streets in france, russia, italy, everywhere. the french had to ban it last year it was so widespread.

Why? Because the oppressive governments forbid mosque construction.


Let's look at the biggest Muslim population in a Christian city; Moscow. Russia only allows 4 mosques in the entire city of Moscow despite two million Muslims living in the city.


Compare that to the Muslim city with the biggest Christian population; Cairo. Cairo has dozens of churches.

falah wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:16pm: falah wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him? muslims are praying on the streets in france, russia, italy, everywhere. the french had to ban it last year it was so widespread. Why? Because the oppressive governments forbid mosque construction. Let's look at the biggest Muslim population in a Christian city; Moscow. Russia only allows 4 mosques in the entire city of Moscow despite two million Muslims living in the city. Compare that to the Muslim city with the biggest Christian population; Cairo. Cairo has dozens of churches.

Lets look at Saudi Arabia churches, bibles and crosses are not allowed. Prayer meetings/singing must be kept very quite or you will be arrested, many people have been and it is the same in the emirates and all the muslim countries in that cesspool area. Egypt has banned the maintenance of churches and the building of new ones. Coptic Christians are the most persecuted peoples in Egypt.

Yes Falah lets compare, but lets do it with TRUTH in our STATMENTS. 

Adamant wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

falah wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:22pm: Why? Because the oppressive governments forbid mosque construction. Let's look at the biggest Muslim population in a Christian city; Moscow. Russia only allows 4 mosques in the entire city of Moscow despite two million Muslims living in the city. Compare that to the Muslim city with the biggest Christian population; Cairo. Cairo has dozens of churches. Lets look at Saudi Arabia churches, bibles and crosses are not allowed. Prayer meetings/singing must be kept very quite or you will be arrested, many people have been and it is the same in the emirates and all the muslim countries in that cesspool area.

These are lies.

Foreigners are permitted to conduct private prayer services, and also carry religious materials such as Bibles for personal use. There are no Saudi Christians, so no need for churches.




Adamant wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 8:21pm:

Egypt has banned the maintenance of churches and the building of new ones. Coptic Christians are the most persecuted peoples in Egypt.

That is also lie. Church building and repairs was difficult under secular nationalist military dictatorship of US-backed Mubarak. Presidential permission was required to undertake such work.


The restrictions on building churches has been opposed by Muslim groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood has said that they would relax restrictions on building churches if they gain power.

What did the Saudis do to the christians KILL them? My statement on Saud is true!

No churches have been allowed to be built or maintained in the last 20 to 30 years! My statement is true.

Go read Fallacious

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:43pm:

how do they tell whether it is a Muslim praying or a sight-impaired homeless person looking for cigarette butts?

And how do we tell when a thread becomes a merciless assault on someone's religious practice?

I'm not sure who's better or worse: people who ask questions that seek to divide and supress, or people who give answers that do the same. But there is a "better" and "worse" implicit on both sides, and there lies the hypocracy.

You can't claim ownership of "enlightened" values and p!ss on people's form of prayer. It's not Socratic reasoning, it's tribal bigotry.

If the first rule of atheism was to respect supersticion, we wouldn't be heading for the next series of religious wars and pogroms.

Someone posted photos recently of an entire street that was chockers with Muslims praying. It would have been impossible for a non-Muslim to do anything. Where was that taken?

Adamant wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 1:19am:

What did the Saudis do to the christians KILL them?

Christianity never took hold in central Arabia. 1400 years ago central Arabia was populated almost exclusively by pagans and remnants of the monotheistic religion of Abraham and Ismail. Nearly all of these became Muslim. The was the odd Christian, but never a Christian community. Christians were very rare in central Arabia. At least one Christian, Salman al-Farsi, converted to Islam and advised Prophet Muhammed on warfare tactics. He was a Persian who had been captured by pagan Arabs. Muslims purchased his freedom from pagan Arabs when he converted to Islam.

Falah

You should always remember the lies you tell as you never know when they will come back to haunt you!



http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/showthread.php?43799-Christian-Churches-in-Saudi-Arabia

Hardly central Arabia.

If you had looked at the article it mentions a place called Jubail which is one of the far flung corners of modern Saudi Arabia.

Something like 1000 miles from Mecca. Hardly central Arabia.

Too put into context, Yemen, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Egypt, Sudan, South Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Somalia and Israel are closer to Mecca than the church at Jubail in Saudi's far-flung northeast.

If you studied the article further, you might realise that the little church was built centuries before Muslims arrived there. This tiny community of Christians may have already ceased to exist by the time Muslims reached there.

falah wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 4:16pm: falah wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 4:55pm: Do you know that a Muslim is not supposed to block a pathway in the first place? Do you know that a muslim is supposed to use a barrier when praying so that nobody would walk in front of him? muslims are praying on the streets in france, russia, italy, everywhere. the french had to ban it last year it was so widespread. Why? Because the oppressive governments forbid mosque construction.

so why should the europeans facilitate something that is not reciprocated by the muslims? have you ever tried to get council approval for a church in mecca?

having stewie for an older brother - and a step brother at that - i don't often get to have the last word - so thank you, mr falah.

Bertram wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

have you ever tried to get council approval for a church in mecca?

Have you ever tried to build a mosque or a synagogue in the Vatican City?

SO the Vatican is now equivalent to the 'Muslim lands'?? 1000 catholic priests on half a square km balance 1.3 billion Muslims on millions of square kms.


You bvggers are stuck in stupidity and no matter how much your numbers grow, you will always be just a vast mass of morons, insh'allah.

Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:03pm:

SO the Vatican is now equivalent to the 'Muslim lands'?? 1000 catholic priests on half a square km balance 1.3 billion Muslims on millions of square kms.

Yes, only they allowed themselves to be reduced to such a miniscule state. We will not allow such a thing.

A couple of centuries ago, their territory was much larger, and prior to that included the entire Christian world.


Soren wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2012 at 9:03pm:

You bvggers are stuck in stupidity and no matter how much your numbers grow, you will always be just a vast mass of morons, insh'allah.

Grow up you tool.

abu_rashid wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 23rd, 2012 at 9:03pm: SO the Vatican is now equivalent to the 'Muslim lands'?? 1000 catholic priests on half a square km balance 1.3 billion Muslims on millions of square kms. Yes, only they allowed themselves to be reduced to such a miniscule state. We will not allow such a thing. A couple of centuries ago, their territory was much larger, and prior to that included the entire Christian world.

SO is that why it's impossible to get council approvals for churches in 'Muslim lands'?


Anyway, you bvggers can build mosques in 'Christin lands' because there is freedom of religion in the west. There is no freedom of any kind in 'Muslim lands' because freedom is anathema to Islam. But you monsters exploit freedom to advance your dogma of unfreedom. That's how devious you are.