Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax.

Is it because they are economic illiterates?

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Actually, its more like a levy.

I believe the australian definition of a "levy" is a tax that has a limited life (Howardesqe).

Since the carbon tax levy will be replaced by an ETS in 3 years, its definitely a levy.

Carbon tax, carbon levy. Whats the difference. e will still rally against both and Gillard will still be in the same poo

I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy.

Just don't plant those smacking trees where we want to mine

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates?

It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

If someone decides to dump a lot of pollution into the environment, they buy credits.

Credits !!!


No one pays a tax.

No wonder Abbott is classed as an economic illiterate by Peter costello.

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It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ...

Its a Native Australian tax and after the next election its a toasted tax.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 8:04am:

____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!!

How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax

Answer = $0

How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax?

Answer = $0

How much money will the ATO collect?

Answer = $0

The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

Dnarever wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am:

I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy.

You are kidding right?

A Tax or Levy is legislative payment to the government and is a reduction of your profits

Purchasing carbon credits is also legislative payment to the government and is also a reduction of your profits

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? Answer = $0 in accordance to what the ALP dream up. See the list of 500 How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

Maqqa wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:26am:

Dnarever wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 11:11am: I do not see how purchasing carbon credits is either a tax or a levy. You are kidding right? A Tax or Levy is legislative payment to the government and is a reduction of your profits Purchasing carbon credits is also legislative payment to the government and is also a reduction of your profits

You do point out how the opposition get away with claiming it is a tax by the definition that anything the government collects by any means for any reason is a tax.

Maqqa wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:29am:

Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies So you argue that any price increas is effectivly in itself a tax, We all understand that some prices will increase thus compensation but it is still not a tax being paid by consumers in any way - not even close. How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government Just another collection agence - maybe the silliest thing you ever said. They only collect income tax business taxes GST and virtually every other federal tax - probably well over 98% of tax if not 100%. The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:08pm:

Maqqa wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:29am: Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 the pay it through higher prices because the carbon tax is passed on through these companies So you argue that any price increas is effectivly in itself a tax, We all understand that some prices will increase thus compensation but it is still not a tax being paid by consumers in any way - not even close. How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The ATO is just another collection agency for the government. There are many revenue collection agencies for the government Just another collection agence - maybe the silliest thing you ever said. They only collect income tax business taxes GST and virtually every other federal tax - probably well over 98% of tax if not 100%. The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

I argue that any legislated requirements that increase costs to a business is either a tax or a levy

You are wrong about the "some prices will increase" comment. Anything that uses products and services from the companies that pays the carbon tax will pass on the prices to consumer.

You name me 3 things in this economy that you use that does not require electricity or petrol as part of its process!!

As for the "agency" comment - read my post again. The ATO is simply a collection agency. Each of these agencies have legislative powers to act to collect the required revenue.

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:20am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? Answer = $0 How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected.

Qantas is just one airline that has increased its airfares as it seeks to limit additional expense due to the carbon tax and in doing so, has passed on the cost of this carbon tax to its passengers. Councils around the country will do the same to ratepayers when they are hit with the carbon tax from July 1. Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous.

corporate_whitey wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:15am:

Quote: It's A Carbon Pricing Scheme ... Its a Native Australian tax and after the next election its a toasted tax.

Got that rope out yet buddy?
:o :o

____ wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 9:57am:

Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates?

Are you saying the bird of paradox is illiterate? She cleaves to the view that all mothers are prostitutes and now you are saying she is hopeless when it comes to economic matters. Give her a go son.


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Julia Gillard finally admits it's a tax     Simon Benson     The Daily Telegraph     July 02, 2011 12:00AM JULIA Gillard has been accused of breaking a second carbon tax promise by appearing to commit to an emissions trading scheme in 2015 regardless of what other countries do. She was yesterday also forced to again clarify whether the carbon tax was a tax and not some other mechanism that worked "effectively" like a tax. Ms Gillard conceded it was, in fact, a tax. [...] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/julia-gillard-finally-admits-its-a-tax/story-e6freuzr-1226085918836

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 1:30pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? Answer = $0 How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected. Qantas is just one airline that has increased its airfares as it seeks to limit additional expense due to the carbon tax and in doing so, has passed on the cost of this carbon tax to its passengers. Councils around the country will do the same to ratepayers when they are hit with the carbon tax from July 1. Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous.

The costs to Qantas or anyone else has not increased by one cent at this point - Companies trying to profiteer from the carbon price is very different to a legitimate cost increase.

At this point their is no case to excuse any increase.



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Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous

Not only ordinary people will pay nothing to the ATO but nobody else either.

Everyone is aware that cost will increase and there is compensation for that but the fact remains that people will not be paying any tax for carbon and that is true irrespective of how much you hate the fact.

Dnarever wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 5:40pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 1:30pm: Dnarever wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:20am: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 8:04am: ____ wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 9:57am: Why do some still think charging the largest dumpers, of a certain pollution, is a tax. Is it because they are economic illiterates? It's a TAX, you literal illiterate!!! How much will anyone in the community pay in carbon tax Answer = $0 How much will the identified high carbon dioxide producers pay in carbon tax? Answer = $0 How much money will the ATO collect? Answer = $0 The only tax ever where nobody pays any tax and no tax is collected. Qantas is just one airline that has increased its airfares as it seeks to limit additional expense due to the carbon tax and in doing so, has passed on the cost of this carbon tax to its passengers. Councils around the country will do the same to ratepayers when they are hit with the carbon tax from July 1. Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous. The costs to Qantas or anyone else has not increased by one cent at this point - Companies trying to profiteer from the carbon price is very different to a legitimate cost increase. At this point their is no case to excuse any increase. Quote: Your delusion that ordinary people in the community will not pay for this tax is simply ridiculous Not only ordinary people will pay nothing to the ATO but nobody else either. Everyone is aware that cost will increase and there is compensation for that but the fact remains that people will not be paying any tax for carbon and that is true irrespective of how much you hate the fact.

I hope you're ready to see just how wrong you are when just about everything, from bread to petrol increases in price due to the carbon tax. This tax is a killer and is scaring off investment in this once great country. Another business announced it would close down soon today - an aluminium smelter in the Hunter Valley (NSW) has announced it will close down due to a combination of financial reasons including the carbon tax.

I hope Tony Abbotts got a plan for July 2!!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:40pm:

I hope Tony Abbotts got a plan for July 2!!

He does - he's going to try to stop Gillard from continuing to screw the people of this once great country.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 7:40pm: I hope Tony Abbotts got a plan for July 2!! He does - he's going to try to stop Gillard from continuing to screw the people of this once great country.

I know: he'll revive his tree planting scheme!!

How many trees was it again?