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Title: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am

Why, because they refuse to be adaptive.

Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

For example, the stock market has lost $100,000,000,000 so far this month and Liberals still want to force the economy into depression.

Why?

Shares set for 12-month low amid euro woes

The Australian share market is heading towards a 12-month low after falling sharply at the open amid ongoing worries about the eurozone's debt troubles.

At 11:20am (AEST) the All Ordinaries Index has dropped 2.1 per cent to 4,120 and the benchmark ASX 200 index is matching that loss at 4,070.

Mining stocks are among the hardest hit, as they are most exposed to any slowdown in global growth.

BHP Billiton has dipped 3.7 per cent to its lowest level this year, Rio Tinto is off more than 4 per cent and Fortescue Metals has slumped more than 8 per cent.

The big four lenders are not faring much better; Westpac is leading the declines, giving up 3.2 per cent and Commonwealth Bank has lost 2.7 per cent.

One of the only bright spot is the gold miner Newcrest, which has risen 4.5 per cent after recent steep falls.

The Australian dollar remains subdued against its US counterpart and was worth 98.5 US cents, 77.7 euro cents, 78.2 Japanese yen, 62.5 British pence and more than $NZ1.29.

West Texas Intermediate Crude oil was down to $US92.54 a barrel and Tapis crude oil was down to $US115.75 a barrel.

Spot gold was trading at $US1,574 an ounce.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-18/share-market-heading-for-12-month-low/4019334

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Doctor Jolly on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:38am

Its modern liberal party doctrine to exacerbate the good, and conversely, exacerbate the bad.

We were very, very lucky to have a change of government just prior to the GFC, otherwise we would have been staring down a depression with reduced social security as a safety net.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by progressiveslol on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

How would a Liberal government handle a Global Financial Crisis.

Would it stimulate the Australian economy while taking the budget into deficit. Or would it maintain the anti debt mantra at all cost, even if this drives Australia deeper into depression.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by FriYAY on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:08pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

If I ruled the world,
Oh what a king I’d be.

::)

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

If I ruled the world,
Oh what a king I’d be.

::)

And if the economic illiterate Abbott was king, we would be a banana republic and in deep shite.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by FriYAY on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:12pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

If I ruled the world,
Oh what a king I’d be.

::)

And if the economic illiterate Abbott was king, we would be a banana republic and in deep shite.

LOL

And going by your exit poll the Lib Nats will struggle in QLD.

If nothing else your hysterics are mildly amusing, but your opinion is sadly mired in bollocks.

;D

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:15pm

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

If I ruled the world,
Oh what a king I’d be.

::)

And if the economic illiterate Abbott was king, we would be a banana republic and in deep shite.

LOL

And going by your exit poll the Lib Nats will struggle in QLD.

If nothing else your hysterics are mildly amusing, but your opinion is sadly mired in bollocks.

;D

Is the tactic of deflecting off promoting the Liberals economic position, an admittance of Liberal economic illiteracy?

Are you ashamed?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by cods on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:18pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

yeah you are tight woody never thought I would say it but YES YOU ARE RIGHT..

we will never sit back quietly and say nothing when we see our business going broke or going off shore..

we will never sit quietly by watching as people and business gets TAXED to the point of oblivion for something that will not alter the slightest thing to do with GW... its a con... we dont do cons..

the greens havent noticed.. GREECE is about to go down the gurgle.. will this affect Australia...

according to the greens and swan.. definitely not..

according to everyone else yes it certainly will...

we can guarantee GREECE owes trillions to just about every lending business on the planet all of which your super also has an interest in.,.

the ripple effect will do much damage..depending on how old you are of course.. anyone over 50 had better watch out..

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by progressiveslol on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:19pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

What, so now you dont know. By your silly statements, it seemed that you may have known something. Well as expected, you have nothing.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by FriYAY on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:19pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:08pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

If I ruled the world,
Oh what a king I’d be.

::)

And if the economic illiterate Abbott was king, we would be a banana republic and in deep shite.

LOL

And going by your exit poll the Lib Nats will struggle in QLD.

If nothing else your hysterics are mildly amusing, but your opinion is sadly mired in bollocks.

;D

Is the tactic of deflecting off promoting the Liberals economic position, an admittance of Liberal economic illiteracy?

Are you ashamed?

LOL, i don't give a bugger about Abbott or the Lib's or your ASSumptions or your ridiculous "what if" waffle.

:D

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:21pm

cods wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

So what is the Right's plan.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:19pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:55am:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

And

You are going to have to explain yourself. What makes the content relate to:
Refuse to be adaptive on the economy, on the environment, on social issues.

What, so now you dont know. By your silly statements, it seemed that you may have known something. Well as expected, you have nothing.

A thread for the right to sing their praises ... and all they do in deflect.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Verge on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm

Woody, woody, woody, not your best work.

You are really clutching at straws. This is right up there with some of your most pathetic smear work yet, with zero detail and even less fact.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Did you not realise that the ALP and Greens are the minority government of this country and as such, they are the only ones capable of creating, shaping and legislating policy? Obviously when something goes wrong for this craphole of a government, the blame must be shifted elsewhere - preferably to the Opposition! Morons. :D

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Woody, woody, woody, not your best work.

You are really clutching at straws. This is right up there with some of your most pathetic smear work yet, with zero detail and even less fact.

How so ... in pointing out what media seems to look past

The world is in turmoil.

China relies on Europe, their biggest market.

Europe is in crisis.

Climate collapse and Mass Extinction is occurring.

And all liberals can bang on is debt.

So if Liberals want to slash spending, so to drive Australia into depression. Ramp up unemployment and bankruptcy.

Where is your logic ?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:51pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Australia is currently the envy of the world ... because of the stability created by the Greens, Independents and the ALP.

Now Liberals want to take a radical path of attacking the wealth of Australians and drive up the cost of living.

Where is your logic in this path?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Armchair_Politician on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:54pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Isn't the purpose of the carbon tax to make almost everything from electricity to petrol more expensive and in doing so, force us to use it less in the hope that less electricity and petrol use will save the world? How does this not amount to an increase in the cost of living? Under the ALP and Greens, the cost of living has gone through the roof and continues to rise due to Labor's reckless spending and borrowing while loony policies from the Greens such as the carbon tax and mining tax scare off investment and put thousands of jobs at risk. How is any of THAT good for our country? If the current ALP/Greens government collapsed tonight, it wouldn't be soon enough!

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by progressiveslol on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:59pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Australia is currently the envy of the world ... because of the stability created by the Greens, Independents and the ALP.
Now Liberals want to take a radical path of attacking the wealth of Australians and drive up the cost of living.

Where is your logic in this path?

lol what a fruit. It was thankful to liberals, nothing more nothing less.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

No, is this why you are anti a market mechanism to shift the economy onto sustainable footing.

Anyhoo, this thread is not on Greens or Labor. It is on Liberal's losing the plot.

Why do Liberals support driving the Australian economy into a depression, it doesn't require.

Why do Liberal want to attack the wealth of Australians. Then hit Australians with even higher cost of living pressures.

Why do liberals want to ramp up bankruptcies and unemployment.

It is one thing Liberal's leader is an economic illiterate.

And it's treasurer is more interested in eating the pie rather than growing it.

Yet what of the rest of the party and the supporters. You all know Abbott is holding you back and leading you further into the wilderness ... yet why do you all follow?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:06pm

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:59pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Australia is currently the envy of the world ... because of the stability created by the Greens, Independents and the ALP.
Now Liberals want to take a radical path of attacking the wealth of Australians and drive up the cost of living.

Where is your logic in this path?

lol what a fruit. It was thankful to liberals, nothing more nothing less.

Costello?

If so, why is he attacking Abbott as an economic illiterate.

Even Clive Palmer wants Costello back because he knows Costello is correct.

Abbott is an Economic illiterate and will drive Australia into the wall.

Why court economic disaster when all Liberals have to do is find a safe seat for Costello, dump Abbott and Hockey, and lift your pathetic economic credentials.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:21pm

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Woody, woody, woody, not your best work.

You are really clutching at straws. This is right up there with some of your most pathetic smear work yet, with zero detail and even less fact.

true. Not that impressive at all. But then again what are the Greens is not UNimpressive?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Woody, woody, woody, not your best work.

You are really clutching at straws. This is right up there with some of your most pathetic smear work yet, with zero detail and even less fact.

true. Not that impressive at all. But then again what are the Greens is not UNimpressive?

I understand the economic illiterate Liberal posters are cowards and scared of discussing their rationalism for wanting to driving Australian in a wall.

It's because they are not that smart.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Neo Imperium on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

No, Peter Costello, Liberal's previous treasurer is calling Abbott an economic illiterate.

So if Liberal supporters support an economic illiterate leader, this makes them economic illiterate ... or just stupid.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by adelcrow on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:16pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

And as a long time huge fan of Peter Costello I bow to his better judgement :)

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Verge on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:35pm

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

I had a former boss in a company I worked for who could barely add one and one and had the writing skills of a year 7 student.

His business made more in a year than most on this board would make in their working lives.

You dont have to be the best at everything to be a great leader, you just have to know how to get the best out of those around you.

Sure, this may not necessarily apply to Abbott, he might not be getting the best out of those around him, but he doesnt need to be economically literate to be PM if he has excellent people around him.

Swan holds an arts degree and won some treasurers award.

I find it amusing that you are trying to base your argument on a line by Costello, and trying to read more into it.

Its sad.

Like my old boss said, why do I need to worry about the money, thats what I pay you for.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by nairbe on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:42pm

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

Valid argument for a private business but this is politics. As the leader he must be on top of all policy or he will be destroyed by the media and discarded by the party. He does have to become PM first.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by longweekend58 on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:27pm

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

Verge is right. govt is a GROUP job not a one-man for every portfolio thing. Often a leader's job is to do nothing more than lead while the next tier actually does the job. Its not at all amazing that few on here understand that. Few-to-non have ever been near the top of onay commercial tree.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by cods on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:35pm

I think a touch of charisma helps along the way..

look what it did for Obama..

I love it when the left have a go at Abbott..

I thought it was LABORS DREAM for everyone to dream of becoming PM..

you didnt have to live on the North Shore and go to Kings College..or be a Rhodes scholar

now its seems.. YES YOU DO...LOL..

really backfiring I am thinking..

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:26pm

Backfiring ... I would class wanting to put the brakes on the economy and shifting in to reverse dumb.

Australian are not going to throw away their wealth and future once they wake up to the Liberals.

And as the last newspoll revealed with the massive 15% collapse in coalition support in a fortnight, word is out.

Liberals are economic illiterates.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:36pm

This is my country. 8-)

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by nairbe on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:37pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:27pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

Verge wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

JC Denton wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm:

greens_win calling other people

economically illiterate

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Talk about never been at the pointy end of a political situation at work. Your comment shows clearly you have no idea. Politics is about control, if you have not realised that you are not even in the game yet.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by corporate_whitey on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:38pm

The word is out - the Green and the corporate maggot and the suckhole want to steal my country. 8-)

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:10pm

Look Who Is Funding The Australian Liberal Party

http://turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/look-who-is-funding-the-australian-liberal-party/

This is the party some australians wants in charge of the country !

tumblr_m45mg5B8OG1rrimczo1_1280.png (33 KB | 27 )

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by adelcrow on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:18pm

Its no surprise that the Liberal Party and its coalition partners are taking money earned from the misery of dead and dying cancer sufferers and their grieving families

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by progressiveslol on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:15am

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

You are so gullible

:D

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:35am

progressiveslol wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:15am:

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

You are so gullible

:D

Incorrect,

I'm not an economic illiterate Abbott fan.

That profits from human suffering.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:53am

No only Losers, Liars

Kelly O’Dwyer and Senator Abetz started their spin cycle early. Kelly tweeted this with the caption “A picture paints a thousand words”.

Terrible isnt it? On the surface it looks like another small business struggling in the patchwork economy. Another black mark for the government?

Kelly went on to tweet more “detail” to this picture.

@KellyODwyer: Business downsizes from 2 shops to 1. reduces staff from 3 to 0. Owner unhappy with Gillard Gov policy IR, Super and Carbon Tax

meanwhile

http://allpress-antiques.com.au/documents/2031-Shop2

Shop2 is closing down as most stock is sold and now subletting, so having a clearance sale!
“Over the last four years I’ve been wanting to open another shop but not in Malvern as the mix of industrial, retro, glass and unusual items doesn’t quite fit this area“. That’s what he said. Nothing about the carbon tax, IR policy, or Super. More about location, location, location!

Yeah that’s right! The shop is closing because business has been so good, they have run out of stock! Thank you Julia!

And yes Kelly. A picture really does say a thousand words. A thousands words for fake come to mind.

kellyabetzfakespin.jpg (50 KB | 24 )

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by cods on May 19^th, 2012 at 7:59am

____ wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

your m ad woody... no one can stop anyone SMOKING its LEGAL and guess what.. the govt is the greatest beneficiary...

since when have the greens or the labs.. said they will take NO TAX FROM SMOKERS..

since never thats when..

they use a most miserable excuse to tax the hell out of smokers..

if you claim taking money from the LEGAL suppliers of cigarettes then

it must be even more evil to TAX the bloody things

get over it woody.. taking money from unions doesnt smack of dealing does it?????

and what about the BIGGEST DONATION IN HISTORY>> that 1.6.million the greens got their grubby little hands on..

just about every donation is tainted...

so dont live in a glass house if you want to throw stones.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by cods on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:08am

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

Its no surprise that the Liberal Party and its coalition partners are taking money earned from the misery of dead and dying cancer sufferers and their grieving families

so you dont think YOUR GOVT taking TAX money from the dead and dying is wrong then?????????????

its only if its the LEGAL MANUFACTURERS of the deadly cigarette

I would bet the GOVT your GOVTis the biggest WINNER from smokers.. the dead and dying..

of course you dont see it that way do you....

my husband died of lung cancer he was a smoker for the best part of his life.. I hold no one else responsible for that he made his choice.

just like you and I do... no I am not a smoker.now.and I am very much against it..

but I do not see anyone holding a gun at someones head and telling them they have to smoke..

anymore than I do with drinking or drugs... its all a matter of choice..

btw how much does the labor party get from the Liquor and hospitality groups???????..

alcohol also kills a lot of people..

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:19am

And look what the Liberal Party finances are up to

Cigarette giant British American Tobacco Australia chops up the prices

TOBACCO company British American Tobacco Australia (BATA) says it has been forced to start selling cheap smokes to try to win back market share from illegal products and to compete in the expanding "cheap" cigarette market.

BATA - whose brands include Dunhill, Winfield and Benson & Hedges - last week released "Just Smokes", which retails for about $11.50 for a pack of 25 cigarettes.

The company said the new brand is priced just above illegal counterfeit and contraband cigarette packs - which sell for about $8 to $10 for a pack of 25.

The average price for a pack of 25 smokes is $16.

Spokesman Scott McIntyre said since the government increased the tobacco excise by 25 per cent in 2010, the "cheap price segment" has grown 63 per cent, as smokers look for lower priced cigarettes.

"The tobacco industry is extremely competitive so if smokers continue to ask retailers for cheaper smokes, that's where the industry will battle for market share which will potentially see prices drop further," Mr McIntyre said.

"(Smokers) have been down trading to cheaper products or illegal cigarettes, so we've been forced to compete.

"If the government keeps giving us ad hoc excise increases, all they'll do is make the problem worse.

"They're trying to reduce smoking rates through excise but instead, it's making people opt for cheaper or illegal options."

Federal AMA president Dr Steve Hambleton said "price is a very strong signal" that drives either more smoking or less.

"When we tell the government to increase the taxes on tobacco, every time the price goes up, consumption goes down," he said.

"That the opposite is occuring is very concerning for the AMA."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/cigarette-giant-british-american-tobacco-australia-chops-up-the-prices/story-e6freuzr-1226358200228

Yet not to the Liberal Party.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:26am

Libs strike it rich

AUSTRALIAN billionaires have poured twice as much money into the Coalition than the Labor Party in the past six years, an analysis of political donations shows.

Australian Electoral Commission records show, of the more than 30 individuals and family businesses with assets and wealth in the billions of dollars, the 12 largest donors to political parties overwhelmingly favoured the conservative side of politics.

The billionaire's club, which includes Westfield's Frank Lowy, gambling magnate James Packer and "high rise" Harry Triguboff, have given a combined $6 million to the Liberal and National parties.

The donations are usually made via companies they own or run and must be declared.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has been accused of introducing class warfare rhetoric into the national debate this week by referring to "real families", but Labor has still reaped $3 million from billionaires since before the 2007 election. In March, Treasurer Wayne Swan also attacked the country's super-rich, accusing them of seeking to shape Australia's future to satisfy their own interests.

Academics say Ms Gillard's party has been courting the rich for years, despite her recent language.

Mr Lowy's Westfield Group appeared to be the biggest billionaire donor to Labor, giving $1.14 million from mid-2006 to last year.

The largest sum he gave to Labor was $200,000, just before the 2010 election.

Australian National University political theorist Professor Geoffrey Brennan said Labor's class warfare talk was phrased solely to persuade. "Everyone claims to be for the battler," he said.

"The Labor Party is not a party for the poor alone.

"Could the revelation of this fact give the battlers pause for thought? Maybe," he said.

The figures showed that no matter their politics most billionaires donate to both major parties.

"You don't know who is going to win so it pays to spread your portfolio," Professor Brennan said. "It doesn't necessarily change policy but it gives privileged access."

Even larger-than-life Queensland miner Clive Palmer – often cited as a loyal supporter of the conservatives – gave $130,000, via his private company Mineralogy, to the West Australian Labor Party. This figure is, however, overshadowed by the $3 million he gave to the Coalition in the same period.

For all of the donors, their contributions to political parties can be personally regarded as loose change.

Mr Packer's Crown Limited, for example, has donated more than $300,000 to the major parties in recent years (plus a reported $250,000 to Bob Katter's party). These sums are merely a footnote buried deep within Mr Packer's $4 billion-plus net fortune.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/libs-strike-it-rich-20120512-1yk1l.html

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by cods on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:26am

"They're trying to reduce smoking rates through excise but instead, it's making people opt for cheaper or illegal options."

Federal AMA president Dr Steve Hambleton said "price is a very strong signal" that drives either more smoking or less.

"When we tell the government to increase the taxes on tobacco, every time the price goes up, consumption goes down," he said.

"That the opposite is occuring is very concerning for the AMA."

hilarious..

I have bought my son everything under the sun to stop him smoking... but he still does..

its his choice..

he was there when his dad died..

its still his choice.

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by Greens_Win on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:40am

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:26am:

So you support forced euthanasia when Libs peddle it, yet oppose voluntary euthanasia because it's Greens policy.

Are all Liberal Party supporters hypocrites?

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by adelcrow on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:47am

Its much easier just to ban the sale of all products that contain nicotine unless you have a prescription

Title: Re: Liberals Are Losers
Post by adelcrow on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:49am